Cheapest brake upgrade for a Third Gen f-body

Here is a video to show you how to change the spring in your proportioning valve or prop valve for short. This will increase the braking pressure sent to your rear brakes so there is less of a bias towards your front brakes. This works perfect for my 1989 Camaro.
Here is the 19lb spring: amzn.to/2qEgUu0
Here is the 22lb spring: amzn.to/2rdzYfC
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Keywords: Cheap easy simple brake upgrade brake bias change replace remove spring prop proportioning valve 1992 1991 1990 1989 1988 1987 1986 1985 1984 1983 1982 firebird camaro iroc irocz iroc-z irocz28 iroc-z28 350 tpi tbi third gen generation f-body step by step walkthrough
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[@benkalinowski5834]

I just got the the 19lb spring I bled the brakes took it for a rip We had a 88 GTA since new And in 1996 1998 high school auto shop I learned everything I did the front brakes and I did the rear pads even tho they didn't need them Now it had 120k back then Now it has 230 k It's 30 years old And the rear pads and rotors are still like brand new The car when I hammer the brake it nose dives and I just got used to it I put the 19lb spring in took her for a 80km hammer brake and the car doesn't nose dive and the car slammed my chest into my seatbelt way way harder It's unreal I just wanted to tell you 5 buck spring And brake fluid and some time bleeding it's by far the best mod I have a 4 pack new springs I used 1 So I have 3 for anyone who wants it It's unreal

[@yotamans0697]

Ben Kalinowski are you running rear disc or are they drums ??

[@benkalinowski5834]

Daniel Brittain I have rear disc with factory 9 bolt strong rear end Not a ten bolt

[@rabellsam]

I'll take a spring :)

[@charleshenson4183]

@@rabellsam Me too

[@jasonocchino6216]

Ben Kalinowski where do I get the 19lb spring? Can u send a link?

[@brandonc.8356]

Having the rear brakes be worthless is a good thing. Makes burnouts easier

[@Rosinronin]

A wise man once said you never need brakes to go fast.

[@Tavaroh]

I have to thank you for posting this. I’ve had my 88 GTA since 1996. I would only drive it on surface streets because it felt like the brakes barely held. I bought the 19 lb. spring suggested on Amazon ($5 for 5 of them). It took maybe 20 minutes to switch and bleed the brakes. What a tremendous difference. Thank you again for posting this video.

[@MichaelRobinson-vw4jg]

Wanna sell one of those extra springs?

[@johnnyd1965able]

So watched this video like last year... finally did the job. Very happy I did! Awesome stuff!

[@nickrobbins3670]

Hey I noticed you had headers on your motor , the factory exhaust had all of those tubes/lines going to the manifolds what was removed and how? thanks Nick-

[@kirkdecker6228]

Nice vid. Can't wait to try it out on my 1989 Trans Am GTA.

[@sk0.0t3r]

Great video, thanks for the info. Side note, I think your hood struts are on upside down.

[@StrangeClanTV]

Big tip!!! Use the palm of your hand when pushing the screw back in

[@firstnamelastname9188]

You're awesome for this! Subscribing because of this video!

[@JohnnyAx]

where did you get the spring? can you post a link to buy one?

[@Iroc_twan]

Or put 1989-97 brakes on

[@IROC-Z28]

How many washers you should put if you wanna achieve 19 pounds?

[@jameslaiola4976]

Great video. Thank you

[@davidrutledge6033]

is that a part number for the spring

[@10RFuentes]

Cricket sounds

[@ryanwilliams3369]

I swtiched the proportion valve to A dial adjustable willwood unit. It was 90 bucks and some line fab. But man i was able to dial in the stock brakes. Its very balanced and ive got rear drums.

[@FEDERALBOYSENTERTAINMENT]

Is that a breather are a oil cab and where did you get it thanks

[@jasonocchino6216]

Just looking for a link to buy the 19lb spring or a part number for local parts house that might carry them. 3rd Gen bro’s please help!

[@JRobling]

I put a link in the description for both springs

[@jasonocchino6216]

Thanks just ordered it!

[@jasonocchino6216]

I have an issue, when I put the spring in, my rear valve hole leaks brake fluid when I press on the brakes. Any idea why? I put the stock spring back in and it stops leaking.

[@vintageflipz3268]

Link for 19 lb spring not working. Can I get a new link? Can't wait to do this job!! Thanks!

[@goratgo1970]

Feel like this may be a dufus question, but your car rear drum, or disc? I am about to swap a G92 code rear end, but did get entire master cylinder/prop. valve assy. from same car to keep it matched since car was drum rear, so not sure this needs doing...

[@mikemoen1101]

Never heard it called double threading. Guy i worked with used to say. Nothing holds tighter than a left handed cross threaded bolt lol

[@johndoe-zd9lb]

just did it too my 92rs today with rear drums....i cant tell a difference, maybe i try washering it up later :-(

[@marcuslimbaugh4592]

Thank you

[@mikesanders2057]

Will this be enough to swap in a 4th gen rear end with disc brakes into my 3rd gen? Or do I have to buy a whole brand new valve?

[@davetherug4439]

Can someone measure the OD on these springs please? I'm in Spain and can't get them posted from the US!

[@Hailey_WhiteRaven]

What is the part number for the 19 lb spring an or dementions please

[@milesczechowski2154]

You should change your intro music it is loud and disturbing

[@patypuses]

The link for the 22lb spring is a spring thats way to big

[@JesusGonzalez-vl4xc]

Fkn dop thanks

[@mydogrush]

Just ordered the 19lb I'll let you know how it feels

[@YoungHeartedSoul]

the spring itself provides the 19lbs. If u add washers it will go up more than 19lbs

[@locotrucker46]

Where did you order the spring from?

[@allenpowell1702]

Planning on swapping my drums for disc, my guess is 22lb?

[@R8V8Vantage599]

Allen Powell I'm searching for the answer to this exact situation. If anyone has any thoughts it would be much appreciated.

[@allenpowell1702]

R8V8Vantage599 I'm currently looking into putting in an adjustable proportioning valve in. That's going to allow me to run whatever the hell brakes I want. As well as fine tune. I don't know if that spring will be adequate for my breaking situation. I put 4th gen rear axle in my 3rd gen car.

[@R8V8Vantage599]

Sounds like you opted for a different setup but if anyone else wants to know in the future I installed a 4th gen disc rear on my 3rd gen that came with drums. Just installed the 22lb spring works as described for cars that were originally disc rear. It now wants to lock the rears first.

[@allenpowell1702]

I did the rear end swap from a 97 into my 91. Ok so the proportioning valve looks like a good idea if you have the cast iron prop valve. But the aluminum one on my 91 is metric. I need to get a flaring tool to convert the lines on the car. Looks like a pain so I just got the 22lb springs, it figures they might be too much. Haven't drove it much because the parking brake cable that were on the axle didn't fit.

[@skeetloc123]

Do u know how to make the E brake work??

[@jonathancardona7947]

Before I convert to rear disk brakes on my 92 Camaro, is it possible to run this set up with drum brakes and will it make a difference? Just curious, regardless I'm going to try it out just wanted to get feedback...

[@JRobling]

You can, when most people do the conversion they swap out the whole prop valve

[@benthallchris]

ain't ordered the 19# springs from your link but they are too big a diameter. Is there another part number?

[@JRobling]

The ones I have listed in the description are the proper size, I have had many people buy them and use them in their cars

[@lucasadaniya2832]

Very good! My car when I accelerate and brake fast 5 times, the last time it goes without brake, is that it too?

[@theapplianceguru]

Naw bro, go get your breaks checked..

[@Astrosisphere]

Can you do this after bleeding the brakes or does it introduce air into the system?

[@kalgrandy2101]

Yeah youll have to re bleed.

[@utooberblooper]

you need to understand that cars need to be biased to have the front brakes do the majority of the work otherwise the rear brakes will spin you around and you will loose control regularly and crash.

[@juggis]

Exactly.

[@DerrickRG]

WRONG

[@trillrifaxegrindor4411]

no,not wrong...why do you think 90% of old muscle cars had front disk rear drum?>

[@charleshenson4183]

@@trillrifaxegrindor4411 Well explain why we got smart & nolonger do that. 4 wheel disc are standard on almost everything now.

[@kyle5466s]

Charles henson yes 4 wheel disc brakes are standard, but there is still a bias towards the front, typically a much larger multi piston caliper on the front and a single piston caliper on the rear, this is because when you hit the brakes it preloads the front suspension and provides roughly 70% or more of the traction, we did not “get smart” in recur the times and somehow change the laws of physics, unless your car ride height it zero, which is impossible, then you are always going to put a moment on the vehicle when you apply the brakes, and a biased front brake is needed to provide even braking for the given traction.

[@locotrucker46]

Where did you find the better spring?

[@JRobling]

Check my description

[@CharredMander]

Nice video!! I have a 1992 RS 305 with drums in the rear will this still apply to me???

[@JRobling]

Yes, the drums in the rear are still being fed by the master cylinder. It's not going to be as good as disc brakes but it will improve it.

[@LuisReyes-lb4jc]

@@JRobling If it wouldn't work as good with the drum brakes do you think it would be better to use the 22lb instead of the 19lb if I have drums in the back?

[@Mario-us3bi]

19 lbs spring link not working now i think

[@JRobling]

Working

[@torres427]

Cool. I like your video. What kind of exhaust headers are those? I have Hooker headers for a ‘92 Camaro TPI. Do you have a video on installation tips? I’m having a hard time cramming them in. Thanks

[@JRobling]

I bought it with the exhaust already installed but I heard it is a huge pain to get them squeezed in

[@torres427]

J Robling ah, lucky you. I’m considering going back to stock manifolds. It’s a pain trying to get those headers installed.

[@ZacStaylon]

Daily driving an 83 trans am in Vegas... definitely need to try this ASAP. Thank you for the how-to AND the amazon links.

[@davidrutledge6033]

and where can I get the spring

[@JRobling]

In the description

[@YoungHeartedSoul]

Got to "grainger" they should have it.

[@MRJ520]

I tried this with the 19lb spring you recommended and my back brakes still locked up. Keep the stock spring that the engineers designed for the car and just upgrade your brakes.

[@joshschoenly2777]

"Still locked up"? If they were locking up before this mod, a heavier spring certainly wont fix that problem.. Dont give humans advice unless you actually know what you are talking about. Anyone else who's rears are locking up, get that fixed first THEN test a 19/24lbs. 👳‍♂️

[@benkalinowski5834]

I'm getting ls1 front brakes in the next few months what is the 22lb spring name and link

[@JRobling]

in the description