Cheese Ruins Devil May Cry Speedrunning

Devil May Cry Speedrunning is amazing, but it is overwhelmed by cheese, what would the devil may cry speedrun look like if you removed items? the games primary cheese?
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0:00 the problem
3:00 the cheese
5:25 lets see what changes
7:04 DMC as a puzzle and Slash Canceling
8:30 how much time items save
18:50 the journey begins
19:33 why world record does not mean good
21:46 the journey continues
27:30 Conclusion
1: Sewerslvt - Draining Love Story - 05 Lexapro Delirium
2: Sewerslvt - Drowning In The Sewer - 03 Luciferians
3: Astrophysics - dark circles (even darker)
4: Sewerslvt - Drowning In The Sewer - 10 Junko Loves You
5: Sewerslvt - Drowning In The Sewer - 11 Lolibox
Whiteboard segments: Timesplitters 2 Spaceship Soundtrack OST
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[@waifurunstv]

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[@ErosXCaos]

I’ll never forget when a well known runner of a favorite game of mine got lost. It surprised me. I naturally assumed they knew the game inside and out. Turns out, they know the route inside and out.

[@SomniaCE]

I had this kind of experience with REmake 1 a couple years back. I ran the game and was pretty damn good back in the early 2010s but wanted to revisit it back in 2020. It has been like 6 years so my memories of the route were hazy, but because my brain wanted to run the game the same way I had done dozens of times before it refused to let me run on instinct. The result was a playthrough that ended up producing a lot of genuine fear. Misremembering the order of certain events, when to do what and not having certain execution down to pure muscle memory anymore made me flub up and get myself into a boatload of issues. In the end it almost felt like playing the game for the first time again. I like to imagine it was a similar experience that those who grew up loving the PS1 original felt when playing REmake for the first time on Gamecube. So familiar yet so foreign!

[@Johnny10Guns]

Really depends on the game. Lots of souls runners truly do just know everything

[@LegonAvannor]

Watching this is quite interesting as someone who enjoys DMC1 as a game but never thought to speedrun it. That being said, I have an idea for something that could possibly save 10-15 seconds on the first Nelo fight in mission 4 if you can route the orbs to get vortex 2 at that point. Simply put, once Nelo teleports a third time to the top platform, if you have vortex 2 and enough DT meter, you can just vortex to him and continue slash canceling until the fight ends. I never use items so this is how I've always done it. Hope this helps, and again, always cool to see speedruns of my personal favorite DMC.

[@waifurunstv]

good suggestion, i actually tried this, but it doesn't save time because you have to loop a few extra times due to lack of dt since you vortexed

[@LegonAvannor]

@@waifurunstv gotcha. Figured it was at least worth a shot since it seemed to work on my own time, but like I said I don't actually run thf game. Mighty try this run though, since I'll take any excuse to replay DMC1.

[@Neverwalkeralone]

Professor Waifu getting us learnt at the whiteboard whilst looking incredibly stylish!

[@tacticalcircumvention2889]

"You're a beta male, sonic!" Best part of this video.

[@SomniaCE]

Jehtt's Sonic videos are so fucking good

[@KopperNeoman]

Shadow even has a point. Why is the demographic where it is?

[@Pensive_Scarlet]

It's encouraging to see a big speedrunner doing stuff like this. I don't run professional, but I do some casual stuff, and I don't really adhere to categories very often. When I do, it's usually 100% (I can even get a fairly competitive time in Cyber-Shadow 100%!) to get the most gameplay out of it. Basically, I just like getting the most out of the game, and sometimes I like doing it fast. My next project will probably be "MGS3 all areas/eliminate all". No one will care, but I will enjoy myself. ;D

[@devoidgod92]

Excellent video, I love the way that you structured and explained aspects of the speedrun.

[@sweargaming666]

Outstanding video, sir.

[@waifurunstv]

Thank you kindly!

[@Eazy_Bruh]

Shout out to Sewerslvt. Look her up for the music in the background. Fire

[@RevolverJ98]

Just a shame they don't make stuff anymore. The internet pushed away another great artist like always

[@johnnydjiurkopff]

​@@RevolverJ98I get the feeling they'll be producing stuff under a new alias soon, if they aren't already.

[@kizurura]

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[@galvanizeddreamer2051]

@@RevolverJ98 From what I heard, SS showed up as a co-creator in another artist's work like a month back.

[@user-bv7ys1st8d]

There's a cancel you can do with the shotgun to fire faster than normal. When you fire the shotgun, flick the stick in any direction to cancel the recovery animation; the shotgun fires faster, doing more DPS and probably saving you some time as well.

[@waifurunstv]

Yep it’s called shotgun twitching and you can’t skewer crit shadows with the shotgun without it

[@SomniaCE]

So it seems like a 36 is possible if the stars aligned on the RNG and you performed the mechanics nearly perfectly? Kinda neat to know. Makes you wonder what the leaderboard looks like in an alt timeline where no items was the main category. Sure a lot of knowledge and optimizations were made in your experiment, but you always have to wonder what else there is to uncover there. Who knows, maybe the ceiling for no items is higher than any% if someone was insane enough to optimize things further to make things more consistent and suffer through what isn't until they get good RNG.

[@waifurunstv]

I would love to see it pushed further to be honest, I didn’t get into it in this video but completely rerouted any% with items thanks to the discoveries from running this. That should be in the next one hopefully

[@b.a.m.4135]

I came to this video because I'm a huge dmc fan. I think I've seen a few of your dmc3 speed runs before, but I didn't really remember you. Then I saw the Death shirt. Now I'm subscribed 🤘

[@void-highlighter]

this looks fun! wpuld love to see this become a common speedrun. Also the word play during the flying mundus was hilarious

[@OmicronX-1999]

Seems there might be some route changes to the any% run in the future. Particularly the one-cycle on Nightmare without using holy water. The extra orbs saved from not having to route in so many holy waters might even mean early vortex becomes a thing and significantly lowers the record.

[@Bredvard]

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[@juandelata]

funny how no items speedrun involves actually being good at the game

[@waifurunstv]

Trust me the regular speedrun requires it too

[@Hiddenschmeatvillage]

The sewerslvt instantly got my attention.

[@Reazie]

Lactose intolerant%

[@jordantippmann2917]

The MF DOOM reference ruled. Great video!

[@SuperfluousMoniker]

When I play Super Mario Bros 3 I play with an invented speedrun category called the Million Points Run. You just beat the game anyway you can but you have to have a million points by the end or it doesn't count. I can do it in a little over an hour. I like it because I can still use warp whistles and don't have to play every stage, but playing most of the game is required to get that many points.

[@TombEvils]

cute whiteboard and drawings lol :D

[@WaifuEndMyLaifu]

Next speedrun, DMC2 without groaning

[@hogokare1172]

"How fast can you go in normal any% without using items" Do you not consider purple orbs items, if not what are they? Also if Cheese Ruins Devil May Cry Speedrunning then why are you using things that are objectively cheese? An example is the first Nero fight where you use a technique that you have a full segment explaining how it's not intended and how it's taking advantage of Nero's ai who in your own words is "not programed to be able to deal with it." I'm personally am okay with most cheesy strategies but your actions go directly against your title and narrative which causes a weird dissonance. Regardless it was an enjoyable watch and I'm glad you are making new ways to have fun with Devil May Cry.

[@waifurunstv]

True but it’s much more fun to slash cancel nelo by actually fighting him, the difference between doing a technique that has to mastered and just opening the menu is huge. As for purple orbs, having more dt was never something that made the game less fun or cheesy again it’s a skill you have to master. The cheese that I meant to be removing was the stuff that lowered the skill ceiling by just making everything easy, having more dt makes the game harder because you have to do more complex manipulation of your dt.

[@four-en-tee]

idk, FGC and FPS game players come pretty close to matching speedrunners in the amount of time they sink into a game.

[@underthemayo]

Sounds like what I did with Brawler Mode for doom eternal! Good stuff man 😊

[@TeamXsyl]

Came for the video, stayed for the background song 🕺🏽🕺🏽

[@RevolverJ98]

A fellow Sewerslvt enjoyer? Absolutely based. Shame they aren't making any new songs anymore

[@tylercafe1260]

I always wondered why Speedrunners don't do more fun categories. Especially when they already have WR in most of the primary categories 😂 Can't wait to catch some of your other challenges.

[@Lokoloi]

I think an interesting spin could be that you are allowed 3 items per run. You get to choose what you buy and it'll probably be holy water most of the time, but I think it could be used to skip some of the unfun rng while still being an interesting category. Perhaps the total score could matter as well? I'm not sure; it's 2am and I know nothing about this game lol

[@HonorableHunter]

Not gonna lie. I did this when I was younger playing DMC for the first time and I still do this regularly.👍 Beat all DMC games doing this "challenge"

[@ilhatropical1]

You need to make a video about the best way to do all the secret missions that would be awesome

[@tinss619]

hey do you think youll play the leon must die mod for re4 remake? That would be dope

[@drantino]

seeing the insane any% runs is in it self intresting that some games do, but a game like DMC series tend to have many different kind of mechanics that always find unique ways to beat the game in much more intresting ways

[@slkjvlkfsvnlsdfhgdght5447]

0.12 ok, but why is that a bad thing? that's what's so fun about watching soeedruns: seeing all the creative ways in which they break the game

[@waifurunstv]

Nothing at all it just gets boring after a while and gotta change it up

[@slkjvlkfsvnlsdfhgdght5447]

@@waifurunstv ok, agreed

[@UltravioletNomad]

I can't believe Shadow thinks I'm rad.

[@lefthandedscout9923]

If you use a yellow orb, are you DQd from the category?

[@waifurunstv]

never thought about it, i would say no though

[@sonodaumibestgurl494]

Do u think DT distorted, just-frame charged ifrit attacks will help to save time since it can one-shot bosses?

[@SentouTsurugi]

whats the bug of the dmc3 that appears in the beggining where he is holding ivory and ebony while using the gloves

[@ab-hx8qe]

That sonic bit 😂

[@soulareclipse1802]

Based Astrophysics and Sewerslvt music

[@cbastian1867]

hey waifu watching your videos are always entertaining, my question is do you believe that Resident Evil 4 Remake will or would have the same Speed Running Legacy or Potential as the original Resident Evil 4 i would be really curious to here you answer thanks :)

[@waifurunstv]

No it won’t

[@cbastian1867]

@@waifurunstv Why not?

[@RedhoodJT]

Man I wish that scene between Shadow and Sonic was real lmao.

[@AshTheBananaLad]

Babe wake up, waifu uploaded

[@skitle4214]

Good vid

[@DMD1OOO]

what a fun trip

[@MariaFloresRopeLover]

With how well edited and entertaining this video was, it surprised when I realized you didn't upload it to the main channel.

[@pilotenhernz]

CHEESE CURDS

[@bastionshadowpaw]

okay... actively cringed at that sonic joke well done.

[@akuaku9252]

that text is pushing into my eyes, I know that's seems appealing in order to keep our attention, but maybe try a different approach to subbing yourself.

[@Bethanya07]

no items is an actual good category frfr

[@triggerhappiest6811]

SKILL ISSUE

[@finnmarr-heenan2397]

Imagine trying to beat dmc fast instead of long drawn out style combos .

[@noahsample525]

HELL YEAH NO CHEESE

[@baf__]

Where can I find that ahk autofire script?

[@waifurunstv]

#NoEnv #KeyHistory 0 #MaxThreads 255 #MaxMem 4095 #MaxThreadsBuffer On #MaxHotkeysPerInterval 99000000 #HotkeyInterval 99000000 ListLines Off Process, Priority, , R SetTitleMatchMode fast SetBatchLines, -1 SetKeyDelay, -1, -1, -1 SetMouseDelay, -1 SetWinDelay, -1 SetControlDelay, -1 SetDefaultMouseSpeed, 0 sleep(period := 1, Mode := "P") { static Frequency, MinSetResolution, PID if (Mode = "P") { pBatchLines := A_BatchLines SetBatchLines, -1 if !Frequency DllCall("QueryPerformanceFrequency", "Int64*", Frequency) DllCall("QueryPerformanceCounter", "Int64*", Start) Finish := Start + ( Frequency * (period/1000)) loop DllCall("QueryPerformanceCounter", "Int64*", Current) until (Current >= Finish) SetBatchLines, %pBatchLines% } return } $*J:: loop { if not getkeystate("J","p") break send {j down} sleep(20, "P") send {j up} sleep(20, "P") } return $*ins::exitapp

[@waifurunstv]

hold J to go brrr

[@baf__]

@@waifurunstv godgamer, but what if I wanna use it for another game? I swear to god I cant find a 20/30hz autofire for games in general

[@Dae52]

This is my issue with a lot of speedrun categories. You just find ways to skip or avoid chunks of the game and completely ignore some mechanics of the game that genuinely make the game an amazing experience. In some cases, it even requires you to play in a style that's not just fun to play in the slightest, and once you get to that point, what's the point of even playing the game if it's no longer fun? Some of these older games are genuine fun, and I want to play them in a competitive sense, but speedrunning ain't it. For me at least.

[@Rashed1255]

Devil May Cry 1? You mean Resident Evil 4? 😁

[@SilentVinyl]

Neat

[@SakuraSamael]

This has always been my argument with runs that use OOB or glitches - and I'm talking strictly as a viewer here. Watching someone phase out into the void and just run for five minutes straight isn't entertaining and doesn't reflect mastery over the gameplay, which is kind of what I came to see. Unfortunately, those categories are often what dominate the leaderboards, with seemingly few people wanting to tackle glitchless runs (or my personal favorite, glitchless 100% runs). Not to say that performing OOB or glitches doesn't require skill - it certainly does, and I respect those that master it - but it just doesn't seem like a very fun way to play most games.

[@waifurunstv]

I think it really depends on the game some times it’s way more fun and interesting than normal gameplay and other times it is definitely not

[@ab-hx8qe]

@@waifurunstva good example of a glitch run that arguably takes more skill than the normal way would be the portal 1 speed run. I remember watching a narrated run and was in awe of the pixel perfect portals.

[@Double-X2-Points]

So, cheeseless% ?

[@unfilteredterror]

waifu never fails to entertain us 😌😌

[@atthewmayeohanekay9294]

The cheese problem is why I prefer to only watch meme runs and GDQ. The absurdity of meme runs is entertaining, and the GDQ commentary and banter is just lovely.

[@KopperNeoman]

It used to be... before it was sanitised. Aw well.

[@SMACKDOWN111]

Sorry

[@KirTheBeetle]

Huh.. the ammount of left targeting jokes makes me think a few things.

[@MrHubba9bubba]

What does it make you think

[@coffeefps]

Devil May Cry is a failed Resident Evil 4, I never knew this when I was a kid and both of them are a big part of my childhood. DMC3 RE4 God Hand God of War 1-3 I played all of these when I was a kid and finished them even without a memory card because I always lose them and they are a bit expensive to buy.

[@panikk2]

plz don't do single word fast text stuff for that long. bigger phrases on screen for longer would be easier on the eyes

[@RiskOfRayne]

You don't get to... decide what is fun for other people... there are already categories that don't allow exploits...

[@waifurunstv]

Yes I do, I am the ultimate arbiter of what is fun. What I say is LAW!

[@ab-hx8qe]

That sonic bit 😂