Cherry Audio is out of control - Miniverse (Minimoog Model D clone)

[@GourlieRecords]

Happy Bob Moog Appreciation Month!

[@Scott.A62]

I am lucky to still have my mini I bought used in 79 and I have to say this plug-in is the closest I’ve ever heard.

[@algernonfranklin3193]

Your intro ( 0:00 -0:058 sec ) was priceless! Kmsl.

[@GourlieRecords]

I appreciate you! 😉🙌

[@JemmaHeigis]

Nice 🔥

[@GourlieRecords]

Thanks!!

[@michaelmilburn3094]

The input with the guitar sounds great. Excellent demo video.

[@GourlieRecords]

Thank you kindly!

[@commonbeats]

this is great bro!

[@GourlieRecords]

Thanks, friend! 🙌

[@JunkyardSam]

I have every Cherry Audio synth because they're all great, but this is one of my favorites. (Perhaps because its complexity doesn't exceed my abilities!) So good, and comes with a nice set of presets as well. Good video, I loved the guitar part at the end. Clever!

[@martijnvandongen292]

Very impressive. I really love the stuff from Cherry Audio! Decent prices and top notch sound!

[@GourlieRecords]

I agree completely! 😉

[@DaveDEF82]

Decent prices? Cherry Audio is dead cheap for what they provide!

[@armstronglance]

I am an original 72 Minimoog owner, and back then we ALWAYS wanted it to be polyphonic! Otherwise, I’d prefer the panel to pretty much reflect the original. Played live with my MiniMoogs for about 20yrs. I usually see the simulations fail when it comes to running the filter into oscillation & modulating it in that mode. *** I’d like to see the waveforms of all the VST competitors compared on an oscilloscope. (Especially compare the sawtooth waveforms)

[@Sam_Utah]

Your guitar example blew my socks off....great! sub.

[@GourlieRecords]

Who needs socks anyway? 😉🙌

[@Sam_Utah]

@@GourlieRecords absolutely, 90 degrees in Santa Cruz, no shoes, no socks, no problem!! Excellent and entertaining tube. I also have the Jupiter 4 model - too much fun.

[@RadicalCaveman]

What's really weird is when it blows your socks off but your shoes are still on.

[@DaveDEF82]

Got 5 out of 6 in my first try of the challenge. I think Synapse - The Legend will remain my favorite emulation.

[@GourlieRecords]

Good ear or just lucky? 😜

[@DaveDEF82]

@@GourlieRecords I felt like the software has too much clarity and brilliance compared to the hardware. So each timed I chose the less hi-fi sounding one as hardware. I was even just listening on my shitty bluetooth speaker which explains why the bass heavy sounds were a little harder.

[@GourlieRecords]

@@DaveDEF82 I noticed a similar pattern. When I had to reshoot the screenshots for the video I re-took the test and if I was unsure between two I did the same tactic and got 4 of 6.

[@lorenmorgan1931]

The Legend is very close to the real deal, almost 1:1, albeit lacking dynamics. This thing has the dynamics, just not the accuracy. Either way this one is a great sounding synth.

[@aaron_d_henderson1984]

I feel like we would need audiophile hardware equipment to hear a difference between Miniverse and Mini V... my pro studio headphones told me they sounded exactly the same LOL

[@GourlieRecords]

I can definitely hear a difference with my DT-990s which are sort of mid-tier on the spectrum... but if it sounds the same and only costs a third of the price I suppose that's all that matters. 😉

[@sonofaglitch]

That keyboard part sounds just like Woods of Ypres "I Was Buried in Mount Pleasant Cemetary"

[@GourlieRecords]

Never heard of that song but I went and looked it up and it does sound like a similar melody. Maybe they used a Launchpad to compose that part 😝

[@davidreidy5750]

For real,I bought two synth plug-ins(Juno, Jupiter 4)within a week and looking at like 3 other cherry audio synths already.Theyre really good.

[@tito.tarantula]

That guitar tone was on fffaaayyyyaaa 🔥

[@GourlieRecords]

Glad you dig it! 🙌

[@OtterLakeFlutes]

I'm using this Cherry MiniMoog to help me with my Moog emulator hardware, ie. Behringer Poly D useage and exploring and having some kind of "presets" to dial in to the no-presets hardware as someone who never did real synthesis much before. I love it and I love knowing I got the right one over the Arturia plugin in this case, since I'll add my own effects and needed to learn from good engineers the wide range of settings that sound good standalone on the Cherry. Maybe with a Juno 60 Chorus plugin since there's one on the Poly D!😆

[@GourlieRecords]

I think a "companion" app to use as a guide for presets on your hardware is a good idea. Once you tinker with it for a bit I'd be curious to know if you hear much of a difference between the software and your Poly D and if one sounds better than the other.

[@OtterLakeFlutes]

@@GourlieRecords I'll play some more ASAP and comment further. I have not done a fair side by side test of if the knobs are in exactly the same position, but when doing generally the same things, like a fat lead of a given shape & filter, or making it say "wow!", I can't tell a for sure quality difference at all. I thought maybe it was my imagination in wanting to compare Cherry takes through a couple types of very light compression emulating this or that analog equipment, next to the Poly D, but my ear isn't finely honed and I couldn''t tell yet. To be fair I'll run the Poly D through the same DAW and not just listen to headphones directly from the Poly D, comparing it to the soft synth through the UA-Volt 2 etc... both will be thru the Volt 2 to Reaper and I'll come back with links here and post it on a forum. I'm glad I have at least one analog subtractive synth but it makes me realize what an amazing time this is for soft synths and fx. I'm loving the Wasp analog, free, called Stinger by Ian Webster (Krakli). The first preset called Bee Venom or whatever, lol, is fantastic for a Barbarella-sounding lead!

[@Rio-uv1gs]

Trying to figure if I should get cherry audio Lowdown vs miniverse for bass

[@GourlieRecords]

Miniverse without a doubt. Lowdown is my least favorite synth they’ve made. It’s a fun nostalgic thing they had but the synth it was modeled after was cool mostly because it had foot pedals so it allowed you to play bass with your feet and keep your hands free. While Lowdown is an honest recreation, the sound capability is limited because it’s an extremely slimmed down synth. Miniverse you can make all the sounds you can with Lowdown plus many more. It has more oscillators and knob functionality making it far more versatile. The Minimoog it’s modeled off of is one of the most legendary synths of all time.

[@fritsvanzanten3573]

I was somewhat distracted by that Neutron. What was it doing? Those are waveshape indicators! Why is it tonesquaresawtrisining me? In stereo? Should I wave back?

[@GourlieRecords]

It's a modulation patch I throw on just for background effects. It's taking an LFO signal and sending it to both wave shapes with one being inverted. I'm glad someone pointed it out. It always appreciates a nice wave back, helps it stay warmed up and in tune 🙃

[@fritsvanzanten3573]

@@GourlieRecords I'm impressed 😉

[@genadyv1248]

I liked the comparison between Cherry Audio and Arturia and completely agree with the arguments!

[@GourlieRecords]

Thanks, friend! 😊

[@TeslaOsiris]

This Minimode is so dope...I’m basically going to go on a spending spree and buying the Mercury, Memorymode, and Minimode this weekend.

[@GourlieRecords]

Worth it! 😉

[@TeslaOsiris]

@@GourlieRecords by the way, I’m totally going to rip off that guitar sound routing to make some stuff. That guitar/MIDI tone through Minimode sounds amazing.

[@GourlieRecords]

@@TeslaOsiris Please do, it's a lot of fun! If you don't have Dubler to convert the guitar to MIDI notes real-time you can always program the MIDI sequence then jam over it. In theory you could make a unique bassline with Minimode then play your own riffs over it. Just know that the gate will be closed if no MIDI has opened the envelopes.

[@555ontario]

Minimode seems to win on almost all sounds as well as price. The sound is not extremely different but yes, more shine on Cherry Audio's version. Nice.

[@tabitharasaproject]

Sounds great! If I did not already have the Universal Audio Moog Minimoog, I'd snap this up. I do have every other Cherry Audio synth ;) How the heck do they make these so cheap and sound so good?!? Srsly?

[@GourlieRecords]

Tight ship and complete awareness of how to competitively price synth VSTs in the marketplace. 😉

[@teknopolice2783]

Good review just got it thank you and subscribed

[@GourlieRecords]

Nice! Happy jammin! Thanks for the sub 🙌

[@fritsvanzanten3573]

0:13 running out of money "because of Cherry Audio" -> 7:00 * makes a cherry red Gibson appear * I rest my case ;-)

[@GourlieRecords]

😝😝 The Gibson has actually been passed down in my family from my Great Uncle, to my dad, to me if it helps my case.

[@fritsvanzanten3573]

@@GourlieRecords Lucky you! Cherish it!

[@criddyla696]

nice vid ... cheers pal

[@Frontier2000AnoDomin]

Cherry Audio are audio monsters. The biggest problem we have with their stuff is the CPU. Depending on what we need to do we sometimes just sample out patches to Kontakt. A nice trick with their stuff is layering it with the same patch on another manufacturer VSTs emulation of the same original hardware... you get some sick thick sounds.

[@station2station544]

You could buy ALL the cherry audio synths for less than a SINGLE Boehringer deep mind. What's the issue?

[@tiborvegh700]

Whats up with the uneven panning?

[@lorenmorgan1931]

Poly really shows how bad that the Arturia one is at emulating real analog instability. Their TAE engine has been updated though, because the Jupiter/Juno/OB sounds way better and has controls to control the amount of instability making it feel more analog. Either way, if Cherry would just make an Analog Lab style front it, they would own the market.

[@GourlieRecords]

I agree they are much better at analog emulation. I know there are plenty of people who disagree but at the end of the day, Arturia sets out to make a whole array of software and hardware so their focus is more diluted across many disciplines whereas Cherry Audio spends 100% of their time solely working on analog emulation. And the results are 👌

[@lorenmorgan1931]

@@GourlieRecords Well Arturia, they have TAE, which is kind of garbage. Cherry is actually building a product that can compete directly with Arturia, and will blow it out of the water. I do hope Cherry learns from Arturias mistakes and continues to fine tune stuff without trying to call it "upgrade to Jupiter V4"

[@ralphvillanueva8724]

I just purchased Minimode this morning. You mentioned that Cherry Audio recreated the functionality of Mini Moog D. Is there a way to edit the pitch bend? I play solos a lot, and I cannot find a way to edit the pitch bend range to two steps, the default for the software is 8. Is there a way to edit it to 2 steps?

[@GourlieRecords]

Good question but it doesn’t appear so. The original was 8 semitones so they cloned that. You’ll have to just learn how far to bend for 2 or else use glide. You could assign the glide button to a MIDI button to quickly turn it on and off when you want to pitch bend. Or assign a a knob/slider to the oscillator pitch to only increase a max of 2 semitones.

[@JC-bu1zj]

I believe they've just updated this... so you can choose how much pitch bend to choose..

[@ralphvillanueva8724]

@@JC-bu1zj Thanks I'll check it out

[@RadicalCaveman]

@@ralphvillanueva8724 Well...?

[@dominykascivilis7003]

And how about Monark?

[@flomarin6553]

Maybe next time comparing plugins like these ones, would you mind applying a filter on the patch? (which IMHO makes a little bit the caracter of the original synth)

[@GourlieRecords]

I definitely will! I thought about this during the editing phase as well as testing some filter sweeps.

[@slimyelow]

This is really great info. I was wondering why Arturia stuff seems to compare to Cherry, when they clearly don't. Maybe it is because they have been around far longer. I was in college when they started. Besides I already have a ton of excellent efx plugins that sound way better than arturia. I really need the raw goodness from a soft synth emulation. The sounds need to take me back to my kidhood, otherwise it's a no go.

[@lextron-audio]

The best and most convincing digital minimoog recreation to date (imo) is Softubes System 73

[@MakingMadBeats]

🍒 Audio sounds better than the Mini V. Mini V sounded kinda muffled, imho.

[@GourlieRecords]

Agreed. I'd rather have something be too bright than too dull. Can always dial brightness back with a filter but you can't really build back brightness that doesn't exist.

[@GourlieRecords]

@World Watcher If you want to send me some license codes I'll be more than happy to test it against whatever you wish! 😉

[@MakingMadBeats]

@World Watcher I have Monark and from the first impression Cherry Audio' s version sounds fatter and less digital. I also owned a Behringer PolyD and wasn' t that impressed by It' s sound quality, especially when it came to Bass sounds.

[@Goettel]

To my ears the Arturia Mini has more bass & the CA Mini has more juice. For the price, CA wins hands down.

[@thewookiee9511]

Do not forget Softubes $159 Model 72 version which is strictly Monophonic and no FX

[@DaveDEF82]

AND Synapse - The Legend which has 8 voice polyphony and great filter characteristics.

[@GourlieRecords]

I was bound to forget a few. There's quite a few emulations! 😉

[@MarvelJAM]

Because... Why Not? Applies to any added features. I love companies that add modern features. My hopes is that the original layout is kept. The enhancements are obvious

[@GourlieRecords]

True. 😝 Depends what the goal is, I suppose. In some cases like on the Mini V, they've added a lot of features but they're in a separate panel so as to retain the look of the Minimoog. But in doing this the interface is a bit more clunkier than if they just designed their own synth from scratch. If the features get too rich then it would be better to not worry about the original design but rather making an entirely new synth so that the GUI is smoother and have less menu-diving

[@soulballet]

nice geetar trik

[@GourlieRecords]

Thanks, friend!! 🤘

[@86crush]

Run this through a tape saturation plugin, then "unfiltered audio Tails" reverb, and you just punched hardware in the face. The last part sounded like you were trying to explain Mitosis LOL However, I subscribed just because you're not screaming at me and being a douche with ring light.

[@GourlieRecords]

😂😂

[@synthshoot1026]

I don’t think most people out there get Arturia’s as a single plug. Most people just get the v-collection which added up becomes much cheaper per plug. Plus, if you don’t want the effects, just turn them off.

[@GourlieRecords]

That's how I got it. The V-Collection is an amazing collection and a staple for any library. That's why I focused on it as a comparison. For any product to even be able to compare to that collection is a testament in and of itself! But its price point is a significant barrier to entry for some who might only want a couple of emulations which is where one-offs become more affordable.

[@Magnus_Loov]

Yup. So I think the biggest competitor to Minimode isn't Arturias Mini-V but Synapse Legend or Softubes Model-72. Both are almost perfect emulations (according to the great shootout that Starsky Carr did). But as all emulations the fail on overdrive. But for the rest, they were almost undistinguishable from the real hardware Minimoog he had. Even FM sounds were very similar. Not so for the Minimode, although it is still very, very good value for the money.

[@AboveEmAllProduction]

Oh! Another model d emulation. Wonderful. Can't wait to add it to my other 4-5 moogs I already have - _- why can't these companies do something new got damn everything is moog prophet and junos these days

[@GourlieRecords]

They released Dreamsynth as their previous drop which was a brand new, unique synth. They also sell an ever-expanding modular setup with community made modules which is pretty cool. They also have a few emulations that I don't see many other companies doing like the MG-1 and MS-20 and their pricing is super fair. But I can see what you mean about a lot of companies releasing some of the same stuff. Everyone wants a piece of the pie I suppose but it would be nice to see a wider variety of recreations. I think the Model D given its minimal modulations is probably one of the easiest to make for companies. IMO Cherry Audio is one of the best for analog emulations though so I was stoked about their rendition and commitment to keep it a 1 to 1. Hoping to see a Moog Grandmother emulation come out next 🤞

[@jaykeel7309]

That Arturia sounds like dog shit.

[@GourlieRecords]

😂😂

[@jamesrutherford]

this synth is junk its so tiny and cheap

[@GourlieRecords]

🤨

[@lorenmorgan1931]

Questioning how you got that. I am messing with it now comparing it to Legend while its not 1:1 its still a great sounding VST. As for Legend, it is almost a 1:1 compared to the Behringer D, although its missing some dynamics. The Cherry seems to have more of those dynamics, just not the accuracy. Either way, did you actually try this thing?

[@jamesrutherford]

@@lorenmorgan1931 yea and its also junk.