CHESS DRAMA - Hikaru and Nepo!!

[@cyin974]

Thank you Kramnik and Nepo giving Hikaru free content, so nice of them to keep throwing money his way!

[@ash_tyro]

At this point im tired of hearing that mans already

[@cyin974]

@@ash_tyro I'm actually waiting for some new speedrun content instead of this as well

[@Calicoo-x4d]

Shush, kid

[@berryesseen]

2:50 The probability that a player with 2000 elo draws or wins against a player with 2800 elo is approximately 0.47%. Roughly 1 in 200 games. Hikaru said one extra zero.

[@DanielWalvin]

Nice. That's not that low - it happens. Even if it were 0.04%, it could still happen. Especially if the lower-rated player hasn't yet reached their true rating.

[@volkerkrux7311]

0.04% would mean 1 in 2500 games this happens. Even that is far from "impossible". Imagine 1 in 2500 planes would crash... nobody would take a flight! Because it would be too likely to die, right? Now it only comes to how many games of that rating gap are there, and is the sample size big enough to avoid too large error margins. For flight there is, so we KNOW it is way safer / more unlikely to crash a plane than, lets say crash against a 800elo pts lower rated player. But the sample size of the latter is obviously way smaller, hence error margins way bigger.

[@berryesseen]

@@volkerkrux7311 Mathematically speaking, even 0% probability doesn't mean impossible. Take any continuous distribution (e.g., Gaussian, exponential). The probability that the outcome is equal to any number is 0. But that even happens. Practically, what you are saying is right. The tolerance to low probability events depends on the context and the application. In chess, the above example isn't enough to accuse somebody of cheating. It happens quite frequently.

[@PeteQuad]

Even if the probability is zero, zero probability means that there will be zero people doing it which means that zero divided by zero is infinity or 1 or maybe even zero or it is undefined. Which means that there will be zero reason to care if someone is rated 2000 or 2800 or zero.

[@LunnarisLP]

Yeah but we have to consider that probabilty in context. When did it happen and why? Magnus Carlsen for example often playes weaker players in Olympia, because some countries simply dont have such strong players. To bring his team ahead he basically has to try and create a win even with the black pieces, which needs him to play inaccurate moves to complicate the position, but obviously puts him at risk of losing the game given the inaccuracies he has to play. so if super gms actually focused on not losing they would for example never lose to a lower rated player with as you say extremely rarely a draw happening.

[@LazarimFernando]

FIDE: "Show me the money"

[@joshplgdgpeg9601]

nothing like watching chess drama at 5am

[@fosibro4951]

It's 6 pm here

[@Blinkers2007GameDev]

3 pm

[@A.R.Shahan]

fr

[@nellieb6585]

It’s literally 05:13 so this comment low key freaked me out

[@OlaRozenfeld]

Summary: Hikaru agrees with ~100% of what Nepo said.

[@_aurora60]

Another day, another chess drama. I LOVE IT

[@Ezra.The.American.Patriot]

same, as a person who lives with a bunch of drama queen sisters, ive kinda adopted the mentality and look forward to anything dramatic haha

[@Calicoo-x4d]

@@Ezra.The.American.Patriot shush

[@shucklesors]

@@Ezra.The.American.Patriot to say that anyone gives a fuck is to overstate just how much of a fuck anyone gives about you and your sisters, little boy

[@giggitygoo5623]

I agree with the ELO ratings after COVID. I played a 1600 OTB the other day and he played like a 2000 and beat me. People made huge progress during COVID break

[@Devilfish6666]

Kramnik would find that interesting

[@timothyelicada2630]

"Let he who hasn't made a quick draw cast stones first." -Pineapple-shirt-guy 2024

[@daev3000]

My proposed new dress code: everyone must wear a pineapple shirt.

[@chrishuston2821]

“you either die a hero, or you live long enough to become the villain.”

[@donsurlylyte]

or perhaps you are never a hero, and never become a villain, so are most of us.

[@AntiCSFC]

I agree with the take that the 0-0 draw (or both loss rather) was a loss for chess overall, but at the sime time thats not our problem, not the tournaments problem, that is the problem of both players. They pre-decided an outcome of a match, that would get you a lengthly ban for match fixing in other sports. Thats why I think you CANNOT give them any points just to show to anyone in the future that you cant get a free points in a trade for a monetary fine.

[@donsurlylyte]

a pair of high level players who want to arrange a draw can easily make it obvious by moves on the board, with no prearrangement

[@dominiquelaurain6427]

@2:50 : I agree that something is cooking behind the scene for the Elo...and many enjoyed pandemic period for improving in openings and middlegame in online chess.

[@michalrehacek3462]

I feel like I haven’t really improved in an endgame myself. Why should it be the case for all online players though? Are we all, who are part of the pandemic chess wave in the same boat? What do you think would be the reason for online chess players to skip endgames improvement on mass?

[@michalrehacek3462]

I feel like I haven’t really improved in an endgame myself. Why should it be the case for all online players though? Are we all, who are part of the pandemic chess wave in the same boat? What do you think would be the reason for online chess players to skip endgames improvement on mass?

[@Kindred1a1]

This is peak Hikaru content. Reads the article as though none of his followers can read and says his opinion for 3% of the whole video.

[@emanuellopez1179]

I think Levon didnt help in the boom of chess because his wife died in that year

[@sirarthurconandoyle421]

Nepo's head on a skinny body amuses me far too much

[@hl1921]

They literally discussed about how they’d draw the game before hand… that’s the definition of match fixing

[@TheLfamily24]

I saw Ian sipping a drink out of a coffee mug once. I went to ask him what he was drinking but thought it was weird and then choked on my own spit loudly; and he side eyed me really bad. I chose not to say anything at all

[@vis9916]

Really?

[@vis9916]

Really?

[@cmwontner]

Bong cloud bail out's the only acceptable way to draw lazily

[@RJWM1999]

@6:23 I don't agree I think the best way is to award no points. A no contest. Because what if a player(player 1) who only needs a draw to win a tournament was to play someone(player 2) is capable of beating them(player 1) and they decided to do this tomfoolery. It wouldn't be a fair result. 1 of them would have taken a place from someone who deserved it if the result was going to be a decisive one had they actually played.

[@anilkumarreddyns6321]

The biblical quote was fun.

[@dfg12382]

Make draws 0.4 and we wont see agreed draws ever again. People will play more risky and try to win, because a win and a lose will outscore 2 draws.

[@pancouvervenguins8573]

why 0.4? that just makes all the scores in the standings look stupid. at least make it a 1/4 point

[@dfg12382]

@@pancouvervenguins8573 Think first. 1/4 would mean winning 1 time and losing 3 times is equal to drawing 4 times. That won't work.

[@nuclearcrayons3511]

Dance of the knights is a classic 😂 why are they being sore about it.

[@painless4785]

6:15 - You can't say that there would've been a tie break with certainty. Dubov would've had different match ups as a result the following day, the pressure of being tied for first would've possibly been different, and magnus wouldn't have settled and made different moves probably. So no, it's not an automatic -far from it.

[@Imrandela1920]

Nepo riding the knight never before 😂

[@ivo28182]

700 euros is like half a shirt for firouzja

[@styleisaweapon]

The term should be "vigorously" .. A player is in violation if they do not vigorously play their position. This specifically covers the act of pre-arranged draws, which is the only real problem. You risk a loss if you are playing towards a draw against a player playing vigorously. The risk only goes away when the draw was prearranged.

[@grampaseri]

Is this even true? Playing for a draw is playing safe. Chasing wins usually pays off or it doesn't, hence more risk and why playing for draws is so common. This is also why there's a movement for 3-point win scoring to make that risk worth taking.

[@spiralni]

Soccer, tennis, baseball, u name it, have dress codes, respect chess.

[@Krisishere]

I personally feel it's justified that they removed the points for the draw, as fun it is to see some trolling it's supposed to be a serious tournament with actual stakes, predetermining a game before it starts just because you're playing a friend seems off to me. Though then again I see the point you're making for not removing the points too, I just personally feel differently.

[@Krisishere]

@@Michael-yb7jh If I recall correctly, an outlet streaming the event caught them talking about it before the game started, hence predetermined.

[@Calicoo-x4d]

@@Michael-yb7jh shush

[@Michael-yb7jh]

@@Calicoo-x4d nobody asked :)

[@pancouvervenguins8573]

what’s wrong with having fun? you sound like a loser honestly

[@timkokesh1968]

Arpad Elo wasn’t a mathematician; he was a physicist.

[@tokonjudo]

When rick astley said "everything changes but you" he was on to something. Everything in the universe changes, which means everything on earth will change over time. Either you can accept inevitable change, or you can stay unchanged and hate things forever. It's literally a choice.

[@DiCelloPiano]

Wrestling matches in the lawn after drunken SuperGM blitz games are highly entertaining, wish there were more of those, only saw one - thumbs up for content like that :) or for Hikaru to do commentary of each move , as the vid plays, would get a million views easy :)

[@TrimutiusToo]

It is what it is

[@raffikalloghlian736]

Everyone keeps saying there would have been a tie break but magnus agreed to an early draw in his last game as he only needed a draw to win. There's no way to know if he would have drawn or won if he needed the win so it's really all irrelevant

[@dashvash5440]

At 3:12 you mention the impossibility of a draw or win when there's an 800 point difference. Based on the ELO system (and surface expectations). I'd argue it is impossible, IF the two players had comparable time/ matches in the ELO pool. ELO/Rankings need players to actively participate to measure anything. Ideally, they'd participate often and train hard. Without those two, especially participating, you can't really say anything except that they're inexperienced in competitive ELO based chess. Like you said, people leveled up, there's no easy way to correct for a theoretically 2500 player with no ELO until they earn it, or at the very least have the majority asking for the ranking to be adjusted.

[@DouglasASean]

The system can’t capture the mass influx of millions of people entering the game!

[@RubyethHasanPranto]

The thumbnail got me😂.. The knight looks nervous Ian must've got some serious moves , and the knight can't keep up 💀

[@jackjax7921]

He admired Nepo's fat chin.

[@gm2407]

0.75 for black for a draw 0.25 for white for a draw. Punishes white for not winning by the same amount of point differential as a loss is to a draw and a draw is to a win. White still gets points for not losing, but it means you play to win.

[@Devilfish6666]

I think the arbiters decision is safe because with the Berlin you can argue that the players draw even when playing to the best of their abilities as it is a mathematical draw. With their knight dance bs, they made inaccuracies which the other player intentionally didnt exploit by playing a good move but replied with a just as bad knight move of his own. That makes it 100% that it was prearranged while in the Berlin you can only guess (even if the guess is 99,9999% it will never be 100%)

[@mihailovasic4623]

Okay, how about this: 1. e4 e5 2. Ke2 is literally the worst second move there is and if you reply with Ke7, you are replying with the worst possible response. How is that better than the knight dance?

[@MaxIronsThird]

The Dubov/Nepo draw was basically offered by Dobov the moment he made the second knight move, you can seeNepo's face, then he accepets it, but they just play a few more moves bc they think it's kind of funny.

[@Devilfish6666]

@@mihailovasic4623 Because its one move and you do not bongcloud back and forth until you agree to a draw? Playing Bongcloud is not so different from Magnus playing 1.f3 or 1.h4. Its a suboptimal opening move but may throw your opponent off and you are still trying to win the game after that.

[@javeywavey]

As a relatively newcomer to the chess world, FIDE sounds like the FIFA of chess

[@Geoarc_1440]

Then Hikaru plays this draw against Nepo in TT

[@DJsTeLF]

Simplest solution: draw = 1 point, win = 3 points. Durr

[@dessertstorm7476]

im disappointed that Hikaru is not at the center of this drama

[@kashem425]

I liked the part where all players had to dress up in costumes and hobnob with organizers. Oh wait, that was just the top players MC and top female player.

[@csakennyitakartam]

13:53 - ah yeah right, like in the last candidates two players, one called Hikaru Nakamure and the other Ian Neponmiachtchi? :D

[@Toopa88]

500 bucks for an appeal knowing that most GMs can't afford it in the first place 👌

[@erickLguzman]

What’s the difference between this draw, And the one fob he had with Levon Aronian during last year’s US championship

[@apahna4ka]

27:42 Draw $h-$hows are the opposite of 'exciting'. And that's what we've always been thinking, Chri$ :)

[@nikkopierre6777]

If onlh they gave draw only 0.2 points. It will change drastically. They will push for a win instead of a draw.

[@bigolboomerbelly4348]

Lounge wars. Magnus victorious.

[@Pouya..]

When there was no law about the draw why they should even make it 0-0? If they are not happy they should have added a law for it. That was just unfair to act after they had done that already

[@finaluzii]

I love how hikaru can make everything interesting

[@kheireddineattala1281]

Kramnik: I agree, that dude is very intresting

[@Calicoo-x4d]

@@kheireddineattala1281 shush, clown

[@Michael-yb7jh]

@@Calicoo-x4d bro's even trying to support kramnik 💀 who really needs to shush here

[@barts.8562]

Lev is entitled to his opinion. Saying he is wrong is in itself wrong imho, Naka

[@paulk5670]

If Lev is entitled to his opinion, why can't Hikaru? People seem to mistake being entitled to one's opinion with being insulated from disagreement when other people express their own.

[@Timmichanga361]

Well geesh...almost seems like all this could have been avoided had Nepo and Dubov played their game. They both obviously didnt care enough to want to win.

[@MarianoPoker]

Very interesting...

[@epicchess2021]

It’s all about intent, not about the moves played, any players going into a game with a pre arranged intent of drawing should be punished. How you prove if two players have pre arranged isn’t easy most of the time. But if the moves obviously indicate it or if players where overheard agreeing it (unlikely but possible), then those are examples of when arbiters should act. The sport has no credibility if we don’t penalise match fixing

[@exbricadlo]

whats'up bro

[@saikrishna2589]

Prediction-we will see the same on Gotham channel a day later.

[@davidanoble]

What if there just happened to be a new Chess invitational, that just happened to invite Anish, Wesley, Ian, Hikaru, Fabi, Vidit, Pragg, and Nijat? And what if the winner just happened to be invited to a 1v1 against Magnus? Wouldn't that be interesting...

[@bigcake87]

How someone disagrees with what Aronian tweeted is beyond me. Hikaru starts going on about "quick" draws when it clearly said "fixed" draws in the tweet.

[@simeon7450]

Magnus would not have agreed to a quick draw in his final game if the Dubov-Nepo game had not been rewarded a 0-0 score. He only did that because he knew it secured a tourny victory.Therefore, assuming Dubov would have had tiebreaks with Magnus is wrong, but possible.

[@staithinq7791]

the fact that player need to pay 500 euro to make an appeal is incredible

[@ChrisHyde537]

The justification could be that it might eliminate some frivolous or emotional appeals. Paying up front is less understandable because it’s highly unlikely that a player would not pay in a reasonable time. They might be disqualified from participating in FIDE sanctioned events otherwise.

[@user-wu7ug4ly3v]

If the top 100 players decided to leave FIDE and make their own Association, FIDE would be over.

[@naptown9672]

Agreed draws should be allowed with no moves played. Problem solved.

[@mcvooty]

I thought the ELO system is a logarithmic scale in which a player is 10 times more likely to win against an opponent rated 400 points lower. If that's true, wouldn't an 800 point difference mean odds of 100 to 1 or 99% chance of winning.

[@Idiomatick]

Its .47% but ELO isn't a mathematically perfect system so variance from there when you're dealing with huge gaps is normal. Win prediction via ELO is most accurate the closer the players are in ELO.

[@lorenzovega2465]

FIDE is a genuine circus U_U

[@gavinburns6994]

0.04% is NOT impossible. It is improbable. It is 1 in 2500. If a person plays 2500 games, a result like this is more likely than not to happen. This is the same thinking trap that caught Kramnik out last month. Extremely unlikely events DO occur and almost certainly WILL occur given enough trials; and assuming statistical likelihood is the only factor in play.

[@paulk5670]

Alternate take: If it looks silly to a layperson, then it's bringing the game into disrepute. They made a good call. On that. The sneaker thing is from a different time and they need to relax. An 800 level player could see that the knight moves were silly. The other draw openings, not so much. Everyone in baseball was doing steroids for a period but that doesn't make it alright. You can't catch and punish all prearranged draws , but you can ask they make some effort to pretend to be games. Just like we know players in the MLB are still using PEDs, but at least they're no longer giant roided out monsters that suspend all disbelief.

[@guest_informant]

Agreed. Keeping up appearances is important.

[@Idiomatick]

Why don't we just allow draws and not enforce players pretending?

[@paulk5670]

@@Idiomatick I think because it makes for a boring experience for the fans, who ultimately want to see the top players compete. We already have byes available in most formats to allow for rests, etc. Though I suppose we could also give a limited pool of draw by agreement. Maybe make it worth 1/3 of a point? It's not something I'm aware of being acceptable in other sports generally, whether by formal rules and sanctions or simply peer pressure from fans. There's always some metagaming in tournaments regarding how aggressive versus safe you want to be, but part of the excitement of live OTB events is that it isn't scripted. People can wartch WWE for that. (I fully support a separare league where the top GMs play games wearing outlandish costumes, entering with theme music, and ocassionally respond to a handshake by picking up their chair and bashing their opponent over the head due to a long-running romance subplot. I just don't think that's the business FIDE wants to be in.) Hmm.. Can this conversation now be the best 'wrestler names' for the top chess players, their opening themes, and signature moves? I think this is ripe for some collaborative writing.

[@YellowEllo]

Why do they make knights so fancy if they are not meant to dance???

[@LunnarisLP]

I think if they penalize such games, they have to penalize all such games. The way they handled it in the future they will simply play some drawing lines in some kinda opening, which you as black are happy to accept against another very strong player.

[@grampaseri]

That's how it already is for many games. It's basically an offer to draw to the other player playing certain lines. I think it only drew ire because even novice players or those with no background at all can tell what's going on.

[@akantorman1]

I mean they could have just gotten into a Berlin or sth if they just wanted a draw so what’s the deal…

[@jimbojet]

Hikaru, how do you justify your bongcloud draw with Magnus if you think that Nepo and Dubov should not have done the knight dance?

[@ricmndy1]

#1 - it wasn't pre-arranged. #2 - it did nothing to affect any standings whatsoever. No one lost out on $$ or standings.

[@pancouvervenguins8573]

hikaru literally did the knight dance with nepo too. he’s not against it

[@Wielorybkek]

I see chess drama and I click

[@amekgomo5250]

Them losing those points is fine imo, in what serious sport can two opponents decide on a draw like 5 seconds in or possibly before the game starts? I say ban all these deliberate draw openings but thats difficult.

[@christopher19894]

The elo system is a solid math formula that hasn't faultered over the whole century that its been used. The only difference in the past 5-10 years is the advent of smaller and more powerful chess engines. What if there are OTB cheating methods that no one has figured out yet? Imagine a home-baked engine with a 2900 elo that's controlled by morse code. It would beat Magnus every time, but wouldnt be as obvious as stockfish. You could also fit a device like that in the heel of a dress shoe and control it with your toe. To avoid RF scanners you would simply turn the device on after being scanned. I won't be surprised if someone gets caught with this type of contraption in the next 5 years...

[@DoYouEvenGambitBro]

There is only 1 solution, I need to see the knights dance into the Berlin draw!

[@MMasterDE]

When you pay rather than score 0-0, it's a bit like pay to win. No thanks. Better get no points for it, money punishment is felt differently for different players anyway. Chess lose from pay to win.

[@berryesseen]

I love Hikaru's reading sessions :)

[@ChrisSixOneFour]

Where's the merch!?!

[@misteratoz]

The problem with scoring the game between Dani and nepo is that it gives points without any effort. Somebody who struggles to then be at the bottom of the pack only to lose to someone who say drawed this way and took the risk out of the game is moral hazard.

[@aliboubes3336]

Drawing with Berlin is hard ??? Are you serious,???

[@misteratoz]

@@aliboubes3336 there's a difference between a highly technical draw that could be rejected or accepted by opponent (people lose in the Berlin all the time) and agreeing to a silly opening before the fact. Are you serious lol? I accept the former as part of the game....

[@aliboubes3336]

@@misteratoz that is my point you don't have a problem with the draw you have a problem with how it look like which is nonsense that happens in all the sport like football for example when the result doesn't effect the clubs they play it with second players instead the main one it is annoying for sure but it is not wrong or illegal because it didn't effect any body and it is stupid to get yourself more tired than you already are in match you know how it going to end Tge draw is a draw you can't say I don't like how it look like so it is illegal

[@PeteQuad]

Ah yes, the famous quote from Jesus, "Let he who has never made a quick draw make the first comment on Twitter."

[@MC-ep8cu]

Not sure how this involves hikaru at all

[@imeprezime1285]

Nice play, nice drama. Who wrote the script?

[@zerstoerer0289]

Hi Hikaru, the problem is that the established interpretation of the Elo system is not correct while the system itself is. The reason for that is that mathematic models obviously only analyze retropective data that had been processed within the corresponding algorithm. Therefore, the interpretation "a player rated 800 points lower should basicly never achieve a draw or win" is an inaccurate simplification. Correctly, it should read "if a player is rated 800 points lower than the opponent, this player has a 0.??? chance of drawing or winning both players current strenght is displayed accurately." To achieve this, enough data must be available within the specific ELO-model. Additionally, both players must play on the level they have played before. Otherwise, the winning/drawing probabilities are biased. You are consequently correct that you cannot perfectly conclude about future winning probabilities based on an ELO rating. However, this has, in theory, always been the case. Yet, if professional players play otb continously on a constant strenght level, it works pretty decent. In the case of uprising players or players, that have little recent experience in one field (online vs otb) while a lot in the other, it is simply useless. Super GMs schould therefore be careful to accuse young players of cheating to avoid discrediting themselves later. Only if there is an absurd amount of 100% accuracy games (e.g. 5) this ciritque might be jusified.

[@ColinTimmins]

Hello RiemannZeta! 0:31 =]

[@pragunahuja7881]

Cigar Shah 💀💀

[@yQaT735M]

I don't like the Knights Dance. It's disrespectful to chess. It's not fun like the Bong Cloud.

[@painless4785]

I have never made a quick draw - Casting my stone; stop making prearranged draws. Noone wants to see it.

[@DEEDEE-bh6rs]

Why does Chess have so much drama, can yall just play.

[@MaraKaspar]

The only thing I don't agree with is where he basically said it's ok to have short draws in TT just because the prize money isn't that big. I think Hikaru got overdefensive about Levon's comments here to the point of giving a lame excuse and then attacking Levon personally with the words "Lev has basically had done nothing for chess during the pandemic" without even knowing that his wife died in 2020. Also, Levon didn't completely stop playing chess during the pandemic right? Wtf is he saying "had done nothing for chess"? Is he saying that you can only contribute to chess by streaming and posting youtube videos? LOL

[@cerebralassassin147]

That thumbnail lol

[@Maver1ck911]

So Pineapple 🍍 shirts are IN the dress code?

[@Idiomatick]

Draws should be allowed from move 1. Otherwise all you are doing is a little song and dance and then drawing. The fact that a song and dance is required is the silly part, not which dance they did.

[@Ezra.The.American.Patriot]

Hikaru says: hi Kramnik: INTERESTING

[@gruntskilling]

TBH Fide is a mess but they're trying to become a self-sustaining business and these "prearranged" draws doesn't help. I as a fan, I love chess, loved seeing it, but the no-fun leaders didn't. It is easy to see that the chess world will come back to where it was, as a niche sport that few will be great at in the near future, and become irrelevant again as it was before the pandemic.

[@rowanmales3430]

Its rare I say this, but Nepo has 3 W's here. FIDE needs to be overhauled.

[@Joe-og6br]

He's still a miserable prick.

[@extreame7304]

Hikaru, you said you would bet money they wouldn't get punished for making draw. Do I just send you my paypal right now to receive my money or how are we going to deal with this?

[@odiumimbues]

Millenials are having a hard time coping against these engine-learners. Youth will always prevail. Cheaters are more abundant than ever. Yes the rating system is broke in chess. the kid was probably 2500 to 2600 online equivalent. the new wave of kids in chess are all going to be closer to magnus than the current rotation of GMs. This is due to engines being so easy to access and why would someone play a 1500 or an 800 elo person when they can jump right in learning how a 4k elo engine plays? anyone who is smart wouldve jumped on engine learning as soon as it came out. I have no doubt magnus does. i have no doubt thats how Hans beat magnus. Hans got magnus into a line he memorized to no end. it caught magnus off guard. Magnus has the learning as a kid that he has forcibly started putting GMs into unpredictable lines because its how he keeps his edge. He brings you to the end game he wants. Were going to see a lot more millenial chess players dropping like flies.

[@CG89119]

Man... pro chess players complain a lot

[@ChessHistorian]

EA​=1+10(2800−2000)/4001​≈0.0026 This means a 2000 FIDE player has approximately a 0.26% chance of beating a 2800 FIDE player. ID EST, the 2000 "should" win once every 400 games and draw maybe once every hundred games. So it's not thaaat crazy, just quite rare. I would say the odds of getting a cheater online as a top player are like 1/5, sadge. Such a draw SHOULD be intensely scrutinized for cheating if it occurs online. But OTB? Idk ask that American with the crazy hair. Interestingly, the Elo system HAS NO DIRECT FUNCTION FOR CALCULATING DRAWS. This has long been a controversial flaw of its nature with respect to the evaluation of high-level chess. For a draw, FIDE simply compute (Chance Loss + Chance Win)/2. With some extra steps under certain conditions, but that's basically it.

[@guiaugusto94]

So, NO PINEAPPLE SHIRT ?