Chesterton's Fence

[@vitaminluke5597]

The budget for Centricide character costumes isn't what it used to be

[@ののののののの]

its realicide parody

[@ortherner]

truly unfortunate

[@ReallyAwesomeBoy]

too much CGI

[@sniedendepoes]

Chesterton's Fence is a principle that says change should not be made until the reasoning behind the current state of affairs is understood.

[@BaseReality]

Yeah. But there's a problem in that Chesterton was being dick. The 'fence' he was talking about was middle class women having jobs. He thought that they didn't know the harm they would be doing to society, and that he, a devout catholic, knew better than them how they should live their lives. Other than that it's a great saying, but you've got to watch out for people using it from a false position of authority.

[@lucyferos205]

Usually the current state of affairs isn't the result of reasoning but an accumulation of psychosocial factors and individual action through the butterfly effect

[@Digganob590]

@@lucyferos205Those, too, are a kind of reasoning. Tradition is the democratic vote of the dead, as unorganized as it is. Conservatism is now an attempt to bring the current state of affairs back to where it had been for most of history. Centrism would be an attempt to keep it from changing any more very much (damn apathetic centrists), and progressivism would be an attempt to bring it to where it's never been, as quickly as possible.

[@godlyvex5543]

I think if society as a whole can't find any reason for why a fence might be up, then it should cautiously be taken down. In the absence of evidence, the assumption among rational people is to assume the unsupported idea isn't true. In this case, the fence is protecting against this unsupported idea.

[@sniedendepoes]

@@godlyvex5543 I personally belief humans to be inadequate to rationally deduce what tradition or institute is useful. We simply don’t have all the variables. Certain things naturally pop up in societies over the globe and we shouldn’t deconstruct them simply because we haven’t found a use for it yet.

[@imalator935]

Center left doing nothing at all is lore accurate

[@a-s-greig]

Center-Left wins by Doing Absolutely Nothing.

[@aqwynka]

"I don't like being in JREG videos" - JREG

[@jimmyc42x]

That's not jreg it's center-right, which honestly tracks center-right hates being in jreg videos the most, center-left never gets invited

[@sirllamaiii9708]

Pretentious art students explaining how it's a meta commentary about him not liking having to put on characters for the camera to get views and live

[@saucypupper3347]

​@jimmyc42x Center left is always here, they're the audience!

[@AndyD25]

@@jimmyc42x center left doesn't exist because all the far left calls everyone right of them right wing :P

[@gataylor6982]

Far right being on the left side and far left on the right side truly proves horseshoe theory

[@iller3]

Pretzel Theory tastes better though

[@lilnasbol]

​​@@iller3 what is pretzel theory 😭

[@MarkusIfquil]

chesterton's fence basically says that you should understand why a law was passed or a thing constructed (like a fence) before uprooting it. the far right and far left trying to uproot the fence is a metaphor for uprooting the law and government currently in place and run by centrists to enact their own laws, or build their own fence. god rewarding them for uprooting it is just a subversion of expectations, as we are lead to believe by context and by the centrists that something bad will happen should the fence fall.

[@whatwhat7119]

I'm more surprised they didn't kill God and reject heaven thinking they could implement a better system. After all God was going to let people they hate into heaven and that's not a real paradise.

[@suhnih4076]

Bruh

[@Nanachix_x]

Thx ❤

[@MarcillaSmith]

​@@whatwhat7119didn't worry - they only get into protestant heaven. Make America Catholic Again

[@FlantisFroggu]

I am eating a chicken nugget right now

[@jabuz_pas9459]

Jreg in a manic episode again he's being too productive

[@bananabed9492]

i like him better this way

[@jabuz_pas9459]

​@@bananabed9492he was even better in his depressed atomized era

[@bananabed9492]

@@jabuz_pas9459 undoublty

[@babygorilla4233]

Eeeh as his fellow bipolar I like it he's actually in a good mood.

[@quillclock]

too true :(

[@arcmage7000]

He puts so much work into deliberately making these look like ass, it's inspiring

[@WillSpencer0417]

Real, gotta love it

[@NobodyssGirl]

"Mom, can we watch centricide?" "We have centricide at home" Centricide at home:

[@IMPERIALYT]

Feverdream core

[@N3XYF]

Imperial is a Jreg enjoyer?

[@Eowksosnfjc7cjeb]

Sure 👌

[@VivBrodock]

center left: let's debate about why the fence exists but never actually remove the fence even if we decide it's unnecessary.

[@paratame105]

Also, let's always blame the center right and a lack of majorities for the fact that nothing ever gets done, but then when someone criticizes this system, we demonize them and call them anti-democratic

[@raymundo2302]

This video is an AU of Centricide

[@cameroncarter3235]

i dont understand this one jreg, good video!

[@thatguy913]

Chesterton's fence is a parable about social norms or laws. The fence represents these social norms or laws. Chesterton says you should make sure you know what that "fence" is for before just removing it because it might be important. For example, Chesterton was a devote Catholic so he would probably argue becoming a secular society is bad for this that or whatever reason. Chesterton would want the "fence" of religion being a core aspect of society to stand. The far left and the far-right people in the video are trying to remove the fence because they just want to change things either way. At the end they end up being right. Jreg is probably saying most of the social norms were arbitrarily created or created for bad reasons. But that part was probably just to subvert expectations. Joke explained lol

[@jaythec7994]

Jreg on that anti-centrism grind

[@RichardsNickname]

idgi seems procentrist to me

[@quillclock]

@@RichardsNickname some of that double meta irony

[@small.clover]

No, era 4 is transhumanism. He’s postironically chasing the Algorithm

[@methyod]

@@RichardsNickname some might say that's the joke. i certainly wouldn't. but some might

[@Hiljaa_]

Oh my god centricide season 2

[@ののののののの]

PLEASE LET US PRAY MANIFESTING CENTRICIDE 2

[@thejollyviking8083]

Chesterton's fence: We should try to figure out why the traditions/laws/institutions we have exist in the first place before changing them. What everyone thinks Chesterton's fence is: You're literally never allowed to change traditions/laws/institutions, and yes I'm going to ignore everything Chesterton said to the contrary and all the examples of things he wanted to change about his society.

[@abababababa8]

How are you supposed to know when you have a deep enough understanding of any particular fence to remove it? Chesterton's take on tradition is nuanced, but defenders of the Status Quo can abuse his fence easily. Just deny that anyone with a different idea for society has sufficient info to justify it.

[@thejollyviking8083]

@@abababababa8 I mean, I have no idea why a practical principle meant to caution people against removing things without ever having thought about why they're there in the first place got replaced with "you must have total epistemic knowledge before you're ever allowed to change something" in the comments of this video. My best guess is that you all have encountered a great number of people who have used Chesterton's fence in this way? I definitely haven't but I guess I don't have total epistemic knowledge of political discussion so I'm not going to make any absolute statements here (wink) But seriously, if you encounter said person I would simply counter with quotes or even a discussion from Chesterton himself which demonstrate that this is a misuse of his principle. In the meantime, I feel like the assumption of these comments (not specifically yours, to be clear, but just what I see throughout the comments of this video and what's implied by the video itself) is that the only danger is preventing changes to the status quo, when the reason the analogy exists in the first place and was adopted by people is because of the fact that, in our current context at least, there's a huge danger of people changing institutions when they really should have been left in place. (I'm reminded of Chesterton's point in Orthodoxy about how it is a glorious thing to attack the police, but it would be ridiculous to attack the police as someone who's never heard of burglars)

[@EnvyOmicron]

I liked the part where God's hair and beard drifted away from His face, just so we could see that the piece of paper on His chest said 'God' on it, confirming the fact that He is, indeed, God.

[@yoavboaz1078]

If only you had established characters to represent different political ideologies

[@TheLurker1647]

That was a load-bearing fence that supported the costume box and JREG’s will to put effort in.

[@NeostormXLMAX]

Nah the political axis is a spook and im glad jreg is waking up to the spook that is “established political ideology characterizations”

[@realhumbug]

Putting on that red or blue guy's hats again is probably not a good idea right now

[@yoavboaz1078]

@@realhumbug idk it seems to be like its more acceptable to be a nazi or a commie than ever

[@lucianorosa4295]

@@yoavboaz1078 probably in the 40's it was quite more acceptable

[@godiwannapartybaby]

This is the one where he finally loses it, guys! Even though ive said that about every other video hes ever posted haha! So jregular! Thanks, Jreg!

[@helpthebirdsarekeepingmeho4368]

this is the one where he finally lost it! no this is the one where he finally lost it.

[@GanstaJoe]

he found it.

[@theredknight9314]

0:20 is this a paper mario reference. I feel like its a paper mario reference

[@uncouver]

That fence is an improvement to land I need it for tax writeoffs

[@sennenlaing6639]

The positioning being on the wrong side for both ideologies just proves the horseshoe theory bravo Greg

[@ImperfectWeapons]

Tradition is the solution to problems you forgot existed.

[@azaleacolburn]

The centricide continues!

[@hlibushok]

Oh I see - the mask speaks to JREG and tells him to make more Centricide episodes. He is starting to give in.

[@Ashysjournal]

God is a metaphor for the technocapital singularity im sure

[@lakthederg]

jreg made me learn something (granted not by his own video but by confusing me so much that i ended up having to look it up), thank you jreg.

[@gddub]

The fence represents

[@normanclatcher]

Status quo.

[@lodewykk]

This video deserves to be re-done with proper Cartesian coordinates in place at filming.

[@michaelflynn6952]

Well, he definitely made a video

[@Newton-Reuther]

Don't immanentize the eschaton!

[@normanclatcher]

*_a c c e l e r a t e._*

[@Ruthvika_Rajesh]

Did they just kiss? THEY JUST KISSED-

[@aloha67580]

You really showed this fence who's boss jreg

[@OdinAllfather123]

"If it ain't broke, don't fix it" - Aztec priest

[@abhijitkurse53]

An incomplete understanding at best, but enough to get the average netizen by.

[@alexrogers777]

it is currently very broken, however

[@escouleshaire]

I‘ve been trying to use this to explain how I think about things in certain topics for a while but I didn‘t know it was already a thing, it makes my life a lot easier knowing I can just tell people what to search up instead of using my explanation

[@benjesterw]

This feels like a Jreg video from 2 years ago

[@1KosovoJeSrbija1]

This sketch is a brilliant way to show how absurd utopian ideologies are

[@TehNoobiness]

I prefer the corollary to Chesterton's Fence, which I like to call Chesterton's Sledgehammer: If you want to keep a fence in place, you'd better have a damn good reason for it.

[@johnmiller-purrenhage3790]

I love this idea. Finally, the requirement to justify every second of existence is applied to institutions. "I'm gonna need you to fill out a form justifying all the activities you did on company time." Okay. I'm gonna need YOU to explain how this company is more beneficial to the community than a pile of ashes.

[@spider-spectre]

Jreg of all people wouldnt be the one I would have guessed to forget about cameras having a mirror effect.

[@aviendhaandreoli4078]

Wow I love how the leftist guy was of the left and the rightest guy was on the right that was so clever of Jerg.

[@NoName-OG1]

Acceleration through the fence - right into clash the end.

[@kingofcards9]

It's easy to pull up the fence, and a lot harder to put something in it's place.

[@crazycrazycrazyadam]

CHESTERTONIAN DISTRIBUTIST DISCOURSE IN A VIDEO!? Finally some good fucking content.

[@IndieLambda]

Killer punchline, maybe even, Centricide punchline.

[@SpeculatvlyFictional]

Need to watch this video in a mirror to fully understand it

[@davidjosiahberryann6535]

Yaaaas! G. K. Chesterton is the best Edit: this is the most accurate representation of the argument, I'm sure

[@z3nn1th99]

Ending got me fd up

[@Kapnohuxi_folium]

Certified father brown classic

[@Magmatski]

man i sure wish jreg had characters to express political ideologies like this, there could even be a series about it!

[@Nowiknowhowjoanofarcfelt]

The new centricide episode looks great

[@aydan2231]

adam and eve of our time. unironically it sums up so much stuff wtf im a new born human now.

[@theodorebear6714]

I like how the suppresed pistol sounds like an unsuppressed shot.

[@quillclock]

As a filthy fence sitter I will not go down like that dead center loser. I have a healthy balance of ideas from the left and right, I'll protect my fence with my life and this guy Chesterton's fence too! I don't know what his fence is but it's there for a reason right?

[@AT54ATAT]

Jreg exists inside of corporate art

[@normanclatcher]

as an infection

[@Houshalter]

The guy on the right should want to remove the fence because he suspects the guy on the left built it. The guy on the left can't remember why he built it.

[@amanofnoreputation2164]

The far right is on the left and the far left is on the right -- JREG is a horseshoe centrist confirmed!

[@hhhieronymusbotch]

Jreg making chesterton skits? I love it when a venn diagram comes together

I'm confused... did JREG predict the CEO assassination before it happened?

[@Pharozos]

Not knowing what Chesterons fence is made this hard to understand.

[@hhhieronymusbotch]

I knew this was the right day to wear my Chesterton thug shades shirt. Though that's mostly cause every day's the right day to wear a Chesterton thug shades shirt

[@shodanxx]

Heaven is a prison with invisible bars

[@ProfesserLuigi]

Earth is a prison with visible ones.

[@normanclatcher]

Rap is a genre where you're *_spittin'_* bars.

[@mikey6467]

This reminds me of that one Fallout vault where they're made to sacrifice someone every now and again, bc the researchers just wanted to know how long they'd do it

[@nightmaretraveller]

Nice one JREG. You really showed those Americans how centre is spelt.

[@lpsp442]

I will note that the Centre Right is not a supporting of Chesterton's Fence and the position he articulates is not that of Chesterton. The Big G. K. himself never said you should assume that a fence must have a purpose, only to be careful that it may have before recklessly tearing it down.

[@jonathankkennedy]

Centricide is back babyyyyeeee

[@GamerTown-cm4gk]

Center-left was busy i guess

[@TheLurker1647]

Reject fence. Return to nomadic pastoralism.

[@normanclatcher]

^Only if you're Abel to, that is.

[@legateelizabeth]

I mean if you envision the fence as ‘the pagan Roman Empire and specifically Judea’ this kinda is the story of the Bible.

[@normanclatcher]

...jregsus??

[@parkerdavis7132]

SO glad you fell into the Chesterton fence rabbit hole when i did

[@januarysson5633]

This video could make anyone hate happy endings.

[@MarkLaytonFoster]

Another banger video from my best friend JREG

[@gerdysertorius]

First of all, ironic that Chesterton's Fence of all things is one of the only videos that God has appeared in. But o be honest, Chesterton seems like a writer who really does fall in line with the JREG ""ideal"", if you will. Like, compare JREG's videos on community and appreciation of that which goes underappreciated by others with the famous "do it again" quote. “Because children have abounding vitality, because they are in spirit fierce and free, therefore they want things repeated and unchanged. They always say, "Do it again"; and the grown-up person does it again until he is nearly dead. For grown-up people are not strong enough to exult in monotony. But perhaps God is strong enough to exult in monotony. It is possible that God says every morning, "Do it again" to the sun; and every evening, "Do it again" to the moon. It may not be automatic necessity that makes all daisies alike; it may be that God makes every daisy separately, but has never got tired of making them. It may be that He has the eternal appetite of infancy; for we have sinned and grown old, and our Father is younger than we.”

[@chsi5420]

I'm not reading allat

[@flushed5747]

@@chsi5420 Sorry about your illiteracy

[@KingArthurWs]

I don't know what I am looking at right now.

[@namelastnamefirst4520]

Nice one Jreg. You really showed those center leftists who is boss.

[@TotoIsWriting]

Prophecy

[@Trollge398]

I dont even understand what the video is about despite watching it 10 times already. Congratulations Jreg you made me once again question my mental sanity classic jreg banger video here folks

[@lettuceman9439]

It makes fun of Centrist not understanding what Chesterton's fence is by defending the fence but not actually understanding why the fence is planted which the Chesterton fence is about. Knowing if institution and Traditions is worth keeping is something most moderates are unwilling to do, While the more Radical side would not also try to understand it but they are the only ones willing to uproot the fence, either to their detriment or to their betterment. The God bit is due to Chesterton being a Catholic and one of the main writers for Distributism.

[@kljunas2623]

@@lettuceman9439 You described the exact opposite of the Chesterton's fence.

[@normanclatcher]

​@@kljunas2623can one gatekeep the fence without first fence-sitting at the gate? 🤔

[@shipwreck9146]

God is the only fence I need.

[@nathanaelsmith3553]

Some people are just way too quick to take a fence

[@FemMushroom]

I dont really understand this one and I don't know if thats because I'm not politically literate enough or if jReg has completely lost it.

[@kylejacobson9587]

Chesterton's fence is the idea that you should tear down or replace something without first understanding why it was built in the first place

[@personperson278]

Yes, that's me in the picture

[@conorfynes]

This has all the hallmarks of a Vault-Tec experiment.

[@daysgonebuy]

Jreg are you manic right now?

[@fluoriteByte]

Far right ♣️ Far left Center right

[@mandragorius9637]

Oh no The horseshoe theory far left and right are no longer able to be different

[@ilexdiapason]

wow jreg you sure showed that glorious revolution who's boss

[@hohoucgguztizi4655]

Jreg when he is in possession of a modified firearm

[@katedrawsrandomthings]

Jreg, you are an amazing KZbinr, your videos make me very happy!!! They always make me laugh!!! ❤❤❤ You have helped through a rough period of my life. Thank you so much ❤❤❤❤❤

[@handlethesenutz]

jreg seems to have a real issue with left and right, or east and west.

[@Infantry12345]

I looked up chesterson's fence and I still don't really get what the joke is. I feel like I'm going to be pointed at and yelled at if I try and describe what I think the video is supposed to be saying/what the joke is supposed to be. I guess it's just not for me, is what I'll say.

[@lettuceman9439]

Mainly because A lot of people misunderstood a core aspect of the fence, Centrist generally protect the fence to their detriment when in reality it is a temporary fence until it is eventually understood why said fence is planted. For the Far right and the Far left they also do not understood why the fence is there but because they are the only ones willing to uproot it, means they would be ultimately the only ones who would understood why the fence is there for better or worse. Or in this case God rewarding them for actually removing that fence/Institution/law (Also Chesterton is a Catholic and the one of the main figure of Distributism)

[@lePirateMan]

This video is Jreg explicitly agreeing with horseshie theory

[@indecisive3358]

Wow Jreg, you really showed them! So glad he’s on my side.

[@supermobb9994]

no, it was incredibly gassy!

[@plum999o]

GK Chesterton is a deep cut good job jag

[@PresidentFoxman]

Chesterton seems like a cool guy

[@iancollins9960]

I did not in fact know what chesterons fence was. I'm not sure how I ended up here

[@Phoenix_Films]

*center

[@YehudiNimol]

I'm tired jreg

[@ののののののの]

Good one JREG, you show those centrists who's boss

[@Zordyn]

The way I see it there's no difference between if we keep the fence or get rid of the fence!

[@spawel1]

heh i guess you could say the fence was deterritroailized !