Chevy 2500HD No Start, No Spark, No Fuel, Cranks OK

Well the description says it all. We have this Chevrolet 2500HD 6.0 here with a no start and I almost got slid on the diagnosis! Lets have a look and see what almost went wrong!
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[@dnlmachine4287]

Any learning is good learning. A trusted friend says to me: "Experience speaks. Wisdom listens" Stay gold.

[@upallnight888]

Christmas came early. Opened my KZbin subscription and there's a notice from SMA that they uploaded a new video. Merry Christmas to the O family and Hannah and the rest of the SMA family and a Happy New year. Looking forward to future adventures at the SMA garage in the coming new year.

[@wyattoneable]

Being humbled and admitting a shortcoming is a sign of a true professional. I'm watch KZbin to learn and be entertained, and this channel does both. I don't understand all the points of diagnostics but I do understand how it feels to be humbled. It's a rare treat to be able to call upon another for help and Ivan is just the guy to have as a friend. I could make this comment very long but I will end by saying Merry Christmas and may the new year bring you health, happiness and another 20,000 subs!

[@baxrok2.]

You and Ivan are a great team. You're both masters at your craft. More importantly you are both friendly, honest, humble, and willing to share the wealth of your knowledge and experience with others. Watching you guys work and learning from you is an absolute pleasure.

[@SouthMainAuto]

+Baxrok2 Thanks sir!

[@jerome82williams]

I need to learn how read waveforms

[@nijoel]

i had the same exact thing happen to me years ago working on a yukon. no spark, no fuel pump relay kicking on. went straight to the crank sensor. hooked up the scope and nice square wave. hours went by and the only reason i found out it was the sensor was the ohm value was way off from spec. but man i bet it was because it never went to 0 volts like you presented on this video. i never would have thought to check that. great job for both you and ivan. i know you would have figured it out on your own, but ivan is smart fellow. very humble too. both you and ivan are great teachers. keep up the great work.

[@SouthMainAuto]

+nijoel Oh cool thanks for sharing :)

[@wilson713]

Don't beat yourself up over that one. If it's any consolation, my reaction to the first waveform was "Well, that crank sensor is in great shape!" I guess I need to break my habit of just looking at the shape of the waveform. Definitely learned something from this one.

[@SouthMainAuto]

+SuperFishbomb We need to slow down to go fast right!?

[@The1Ramsey3]

Eric, I love watching you and scanner danner because both of you show your faults that help to make all of us better at what we do. Thank you.

[@rationalguy2744]

Brilliant. This is one of your golden oldies by now. You are an amazing resource and demonstrate the value of community.

[@willfixthingsfordonuts]

Thanks for doing this video, it lead me directly to a bad crank sensor on a 1500 with a 4.8 I'm fixing for a friend, It helped to see the crank sensor sits high and pulls low, the one I was working on was low at all times, swapped and started right away. Literally 1 hour to get it started after sitting untouched for 3 years by the last moron.

[@gregbellinger5765]

This episode is for the advanced students. Really well delivered but not appropriate for my ignorance level. The humility was appreciated.

[@NCPDFSB]

i was yelling at the screen at 17.00. collaboration is a businesses best friend. especially when you both have proficient minds. merry christmas to you and your family eric.

[@robertasta6293]

I like this guy he's a bad dude and a knowledgeable mechanic

[@mdorf61]

I've been doing IT work for 22 yrs, Every day I learn something new. I'm glad, I'd be bored otherwise. I've been cranking on my cars all my life, some items and can't do because I don't have a lift. Or even a garage. So I have to have my mechanic do some. And I have a group of guys do my oil as it's just easier. But I love learning from your videos. Awesome job. You deserve a BEER 🍺!!!

[@kb3icu]

Best tips comes from best friends. Always have a crew that friends wiling to share.

[@corneliuswebster2953]

I looked at many videos of this problem and I noticed no one explain all the problems they actually had my truck was shutting off when I drive for about two weeks but it would start back up finally it stop starting but this is the only video that hit on points about what was going on with my truck and actually it helped me alot I needed a crank sensor this is one guy I would truly advice you to listen to he went in details thanks you me man

[@wysetech2000]

Eric, you're FIRED.....LoL I think we all miss the obvious sometimes. I didn't notice it not pulling it to zero either. It's nice to have someone to bounce things off of. You and Ivan make a good team. At least you didn't chase your tail with it.

[@SouthMainAuto]

+wysetech2000 Oh man it would have mopped the floor with me haha

[@mikegoodman4133]

Merry Christmas to you and your family Eric. Thanks for the hours of viewing enjoyment I have gotten from your superb videos. Thanks also for taking it to a higher level - many of the lessons we learn repairing cars are transferable to life in general. You need your friends and you need to go slow if you want to go fast - how true. I hope you have a peaceful holiday and I am looking forward to watching the continuing adventures at SMA in the new year.

[@TOLDyouSOagain]

Priceless info, so many people refuse to listen when asking a question. Those that are willing to listen are the one that are willing to learn

[@luisatrevino17]

Loved your vibe brought me joy when all I wanted to do was pull my hair. Still can’t get this truck running but thanks for the laughs 🤍🤍Have a blessed one!!

[@SimplyDiagnostics]

Going back through all your videos on my YT account. You’re correct Eric , jobs like this keep our feet planted and help us realise the value of our friends in our networks. Great video, thanks for sharing 👍 Steve.

[@rickbookout7215]

Eric love your help. I got one for you . GM low oil pressure, lifter noise. As so many say lifter tick. Sometimes 0 oil pressure. Broken or hardened O-ring on oil pickup tube . I have fix many of them. $27.00 for parts . Plus oil and filter. Easy job even 4x4s

[@aday1637]

With the complexity of modern computer controlled vehicles it is nearly impossible to always catch every facet of diagnostic information. The human mind isn't programmed to operate that way. On the fly (diagnosing various schemes) numerous issues can present. Each scheme, when designed gave the designer time to figure each one, one at a time. A diagnostic mechanic isn't able to have the same depth of knowledge, fresh in mind for each design. Now if you worked on a particular model and got to know it, you could do much better, of course. But even a dealer mechanic doesn't have that luxury. So snags are somewhat expected and having a 'body' of knowledge (other mechanics) is extremely helpful. I once had a mechanic tell me that diagnosing machinery is more difficult than a physician diagnosing a patient because cars can't tell you where it hurts and people can.

[@geoffrwelsh]

I'm glad you figured this out, I'm sure I'm not the only Monday-morning-quarterback who was shouting "it's not going to ground" at the video. It's much easier to think, while sitting at home on a weekend!

[@ba7tow1776]

She’s seen better days for sure. Not surprised by all the rust being it’s a plow truck! Another fine job by S.M.A👍

[@Rocco_v]

This is the most valuable information on the web, Had the exact same problem on a Pontiac Vibe, the scan tool had us fooled for a while, replaced the crank sensor and started right up. Thanks Eric.

[@547Rick]

Eric, I would be a millionaire if I could get a dollar for every time I quickly bypassed a critical data point. We all do it. Kudos to Ivan for being a great friend to bounce around ideas with. Merry Christmas to you and your family! Oh by the way, I got an early Christmas present. A new Walther PPS 9mm. Now I just need to fine time to go to the range.

[@SouthMainAuto]

+Rick Anderson Merry Christmas to you!

[@ManicMechanic007]

A smart man learns something every day. Eric and Ivan pull another one out of the fire. Merry Christmas everyone.

[@frankgonzalez24]

Make sure the sensor you get is the same color as the one on the engine. LS engines have two different colored crank sensors that dictate the number of notches the reluctor has. Either 28 or 52 (I might be wrong on the numbers). If you get the wrong sensor, you will have problems. If the original sensor was black, make sure the replacement sensor is black. If it is gray, replace it with a gray sensor.

[@kurtkennedy5370]

I had this on a BMW once. After parts got tossed at it, I used the pico and found the square wave going to 5.8-6.0v, NOT 0-5v like it wanted to see. I over looked it the first time, then when it really started making no sense, I double checked and that was it. Ever since then I ALWAYS check min/max and make sure its all legit. This is one you will learn from. Nice work.

[@GRIZYBAER]

wow, 90 seconds in and the descriptors are so quality. eric hasn't cursed yet put perfectly describes how much of a junker this one is.

[@SouthMainAuto]

lol try to keep it PG

[@gmguy156]

I do commercial HVAC and have had some of these humbling experiences as well. But your correct you must be willing to listen.

[@toroon]

Het Eric I know you and Scanner Danner love Saturns.My 2001 SL2 got 300,000 miles. Nothing leaking and almost no "crust" Long live the plastic body!! Great video. Merry Christmas.

[@SouthMainAuto]

+toroon 001 Merry Christmas to you too!

[@mrmcd5728]

Once again, nicely done, you are helping the industry.

[@chrisbentleywalkingandrambling]

Ivan really knows some random stuff. Great to have a friend like that.

[@gregsidel3557]

Very good, Eric, it's always nice to have information available when you need it. And you did by talking to your friend Ivan. And he was well and to give it. You done a very good job thank you eric

[@mikechiodetti6737]

Only saw that "not going to ground" one time. Another tech had it. It was a clean engine, not like the oil soaked, rusted hulk you had there. I can only imagine what the brakes look like! Great diagnostics, great video!

[@hansreichwagen8015]

Nice job i did same thing week ago rushing around to fix it and remembered Ivan's video that brought me back to reality , don't you love were gm put crank sensor.Great to learn from others thanks.

[@SouthMainAuto]

+Hans Reichwagen oh yeahhh what a rusty mess!

[@8power0]

Great video , we did not build these vehicles we were only told to repair them sume times whit out complete information and on the shortest time possible keep up the good work my friend .

[@kingkong8974]

Your videos are reteaching me and reminding me a lot about driveability... I haven't taken that class in like 7-8 years.

[@hawaiianf1504]

Eric - go to time stamp 30:53 and freeze it. That look on your face - it so defines a person with humbleness re-visited.

[@GeneralRELee]

Hawaiian F150 too bad you can't clone good honest mechanics

[@samrugtiv5563]

Ivan is the man today get him down there and put him to work good pal to have

[@watajob]

I 'd like to thank you very much not only for sharing/explaining/informing but for all the extra time you spend shooting and then editing these vids. Many may not be aware but as the old saying goes, "time is money" which in your case as an independent, both are in short supply. BTW, Merry Xmas and Happy New Year to you and yours! :) PS Who are the 4 fools who DON'T like this vid?!

[@smokeskull]

THanks for that video. Very informative. I saw a guy once with a Olds 3.8 that was a no start. It had crank and fuel but no ignition. The exhaust was loaded with fuel from all the cranking and when he triggered the crank sensor like you did it made a spark and the exhaust system exploded. Scared everyone in the shop and blew the muffler to bits.

[@417cameron]

I've been turning wrenches for 21 years, Love the vids. You can learn something in this trade everyday

[@locustbay7594]

We like sarcasm from an American - unexpected and appreciated.

[@Sandbag1300]

Another two thumbs up phenomenal SMA video production! Outstanding diagnosis at 26:00 "The PCM has never seen the crank signal turn off." Eric, watch out to make sure those hoodie laces do not get stuck in an engine cooling fan or accessory belt. Maybe remove the laces?

[@Fedwrench]

I really feel for you guys having to deal with rust. It may hot here but, at least the only rust is on transplant vehicles. Great video of real world situations.

[@SouthMainAuto]

+Fedwrench but rust is so beautiful.... lol

[@robc5955]

Great lesson there I recently had to change a crank sensor on my motor, but didn’t use your wizardry to diagnose just a general code reader, anyhow went to undo the bolt and ting it snapped in the block.... spent the rest of the day fixing the garage door that had a spanner embedded in it. Took me a whole day and a half to strip front of car drill the pig out and get it going again having snapped about 10 fixings and bolts on the way, and that was after spending 80 quid degassing the air con then getting a refill - so when I saw you go for that crank sensor bolt I cringed. Sometimes I love trying to do stuff myself, other times I wish I could just leave alone.

[@PeteyG708]

I saw that video on Ivan's channel but didn't think of connecting the two. Sometimes, you just need a kick in the pants! Great work Eric! You and Ivan are my all time favorite mechanics on KZbin and I always learn so much from your videos. Love the new format of the video as well! Happy Holidays to you and the family! Stay Safe and Stay Warm!

[@SouthMainAuto]

+Pete Gaytan III Merry Christmas to you! Warm!?! HA, it was 70 today!

[@mobilemechman]

Dude, one word. Autonerdz. I saw the issue, but only because of what I learned from the people at Autonerdz.

[@johnmckamy6398]

we appreciate all of you guys , thanks for sharing

[@patw52pb1]

Eric and Vanessa thank you and all those involved in the efforts and production of this channel. Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays and Happy New Year to all. May the new year bring you, your families and friends much health, wealth, happiness and peace.

[@SouthMainAuto]

+patw52pb1 Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you too!

[@heathgarton3291]

Great video. I've been a paramedic for 18 years and I still learn thing from my colleagues all the time. Your heart is the engine of your body and sometimes you can miss the values on the scope because your just looking for a signal. The day you stop learning is the day you need to retire. Where can I get a hoodie like the one you had on. I would wear that all the time. Even down here in Texas. Great job and awesome video. Thanks for posting it. 👍🏻

[@SteveRobReviews]

Nice to be able to phone a friend and we all learn at the same time. Awesome vid.

[@andykidwell6187]

Looking at that beast i'd call her a Maine special.. So many rusty toilets rolling down the road here, it's a way of life in the northeast for sure.

[@akbychoice]

Love the diagnostics you did and that you were able to reach out to Ivan and share your experience.

[@geraldhinson]

Pull-up vs. pull-down sensors was a new distinction for me. Learning something valuable on this one and that's why I come here. :) Rock on, Ivan, and hat-tips to good friends who share their knowledge! Great video as always, Eric. Thanks!

[@supercoupe6288]

yep, Eric O i would've done the same thing look at the wave form and it looked good and searched elsewhere for the problem, great video.

[@trainer2018]

Good job Eric. Don't feel bad about missing the values on the crank, I was drinking my morning coffee while watching and my first reaction was what? He has Cam and Crank so why isn't this beast starting? Then when you mentioned your values and you brought up Ivan's video I then myself had the face palm moment. None of us are perfect Eric that's why having good contacts like Ivan pay off. There have been a few times myself I had to call in reinforcements for a second opinion. But like you said that's how we all learn and make ourselves better.

[@edharry3984]

Thanks Eric I have the same truck , 2001 Chevy Silverado 2500 HD 6.0 V8 . I replaced The fuel pump & it ran good . The We had a Cold Snap here in Boston , Well no start ! The Truck wanted to But it sounds like it jumped time . Well it seems this Crank Position sensor does that . The starter is out , Tomorrow I will carefully remove The Sensor , Thanks for this Video , it should work!

[@KennyChurchSpeed]

Thanks for this video, I have a similar issue with my 2500hd that I am currently troubleshooting. Great info!

[@danieljohnson8307]

Oh, Ivan , thanks for the in tell on CKP needing to pull down to Zero. aka Super Genius.

[@Clete88]

I won't fault you for missing the pull down to zero volts.....I was thinking as I was watching the important thing here was the presence or absence of the signal itself......Don't be hard on yourself for not noting that......It would have got me too! I don't fix vehicles, but I do fix things.....things that others have failed to do, and when something like this crops up, you can feel like a sap.....Been there, done that....a lot! New to your channel, and I'm liking your videos....they are very well presented!

[@phil2156]

FYI, the ECU implements what's called a schmitt trigger input. If you Google it, you'll understand why it didn't work. Good video

[@rplayer9969]

I've watched this video a few times because all of your videos are great. One problem though, I wanted to purchase some of your tools and I always get the temporary not available or something like that when I click on the web site. Anyway thank you very much for sharing you knowledge.

[@MattC-ly9lr]

Thanks for sharing, that’s an awesome find.

[@richardkimble6314]

Man what a learning experience I would have thought to look @ the min-max values!

[@franksdg125]

Great Video!! From one arthritis sufferer to another Take osteo bioflex 3 and in two days your joints will thank you. I have no more hand pains now!

[@605mx]

Merry Christmas to you and yours Eric O. Thank you for all the hard work and videos, really appreciate you!

[@rcchar]

I'm not sure if you seen it but the coils are sparking out the side. Very good lessen. Merry Christmas

[@SouthMainAuto]

+Randy Charlton Merry Christmas to you!

[@02lowrider62]

Don't beat your self up. I had my shop open since 90 and I watch your videos cause I have picked up quit a few good tips from you. In this field you can never stop learning. No matter how much you think you might know there is always something that will stump you and bring you back to reality. Keep up the good work I don't know how you find the time to do them. But I do appreciate them. Have a nice Christmas !

[@SouthMainAuto]

+02lowrider62 glad you find them useful, Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you too!

[@29auto30]

"She's running like she got a big bump stick in her" LOL! love watching you,sign of a good mechanic is your never to good to ask for advise.

[@bobmoy3406]

193K just barely broken in for this rust bucket. I love that Italian tune up when you gunned the throttle.....lol Had a 86 Audi CS turbo quattro that didn't have spark because the cam and crank signal were out of sync. Both cam and crank signals were there but they were out of sync so the ECU never sent a trigger signal to the coil.

[@SouthMainAuto]

+Bob Moy Cam Crank correlation... hmmm think I have a vid coming out on that... TOMORROW :)

[@smokeskull]

+Bob Moy We call them REV tune ups or RPM tune ups lol

[@SurferJoe46]

I go back on these older videos and once in a while you sound like Red Green. Good solid information as I'm fighting a '00 4.3 Astro Van that does some pretty odd stuff.

[@keithkennedy4859]

another great video.....that frame looked scary..im in mass so rust is nothing new but I think its time for her to retire. hope you and your family have a great Christmas. keep these awesome videos coming.

[@farmboy30117]

Great video! Crank signal with no RPM signal. Who'd have thought it? Happy New Year!

[@SouthMainAuto]

+farmboy30117 Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you!

[@rty8714]

I’m doing a Ls swap 5.3 lm7 and having the EXACT same issue. Thanks for your knowledge.

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

4:35..."Let's roll the diagnostic dice here.." ROFL! Another classic SMA punch line!!!

[@joeshearer1247]

Good man Ivan! I wish you guys weren't so far away it would be nice to have such good tech close by!

[@kins191]

+motoYam82 doesn't the sensor ground need to be checked before you can call this a bad sensor?  I'm pretty sure it should be less than 100mv for a sensor ground. It's a 3 wire pull up right?  Anyway, thanks for the video Eric, I love this channel.

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

Technically, yes. However, on a low-current sensing circuit, if there was a bad ground, the signal would be stuck high at 12V. So in this case just looking at the signal waveform was enough evidence to condemn the CKP sensor :)

[@kins191]

+motoYam82 gotcha, I just though a small resistance in the wire could have been preventing the voltage to drop all the way to 0. Thanks!

[@lolzlarkin3059]

I thought the pros used a darts board i.imgur.com/vgNcV7m.jpg

[@realgambino1120]

YOU SHOULD OF LOOKED UMDERNEATH A SSN AS YOU SEEN THE NO RPMS ON THE SCANNER YOU WOULD OF SAVED ALL THAT BUT ITS A GOOD THING IVAN CAME TO THE RESCUE AND SAID SOMETHING ABOUT THE WAVE FORM WE ALL LEARNED SOMETHING NOW ….. GOOD JOB

[@twosborn]

If you were on the west coast I'd have you look at my Chevy Avalanche before I traded her in. Vibration from rear. Rotate tires, she bounced bad. New tires no fix. Replaced rims no fix. Cracked flex plate replaced and transaxle replaced with rebuilt unit. Still vibrates on freeway. Driveline checked and new ujoints still shakes. Tire balance always off on right rear. 2 weeks after rebalance always off. Checked stud runout, was right on. Checked axle flange runout , was spot on. Gave up and dumped it even though it was a good running rig. Cadillac EXT is awesome but never corrected the shake from the Avalanche.

[@SouthMainAuto]

that sounds like an interesting case... sorry to hear it

[@twosborn]

South Main Auto Repair Gave up on the avalanche but the Cad Ext is a much better ride. As a tech I applaud you in your methodology and troubleshooting skills. Glad to watch your videos. Still laughing about your switching arms so one doesn't get too big.

[@feliciabelcher6259]

Good stuff! KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK! Merry Christmas and keep the "real" car repairs coming.

[@SouthMainAuto]

+Felicia M Belcher Merry Christmas to you!

[@squareyes1981]

Good ol' Ivan to the rescue. Thanks for sharing

[@tam1381]

Nice job and honest too.Merry Christmas to you and your family.Tam.

[@waynewallace9414]

Great job ,little help from friend

[@toyotatechMDT]

Great video. Thanks Eric and Ivan. I'm guilty of the same when looking at waveforms, did the same damn thing on an injector. Looked classic waveform but voltage was 9V instead of 12V! Merry Christmas all.

[@SouthMainAuto]

+Toyota Tech It will get you!

[@lonniesanchez2732]

Hey you helped me out today same symptoms on a 2007 6.2 yukon. Just. BUILT motor all new sensors and yup one was bad right out of the box ahh that passed me off but at least its running with the old one!

[@jimmcmillen4695]

Hey like the new opening to the video.. Merry Christmas to you and the family.. Keep them coming thanks Jim

[@rpsspain1966]

That truck is filth Eric. Well done Ivan, I have not come across that problem before. It is now firmly committed to the memory banks. Great information and good fun as always.

[@livalittle100]

This is a great video. Its like a mystery detective show.

[@habatroll4831]

Eric, I always enjoy your videos. I have learned a great deal since subscribing to your channel. Thank you and keep up the good work. Nice job Ivan!

[@SouthMainAuto]

+Gary Habat Than you for supporting our channel!

[@djjjamz]

Merry Christmas to the whole family and thank you for all the great video

[@SouthMainAuto]

+Jimmy G Merry Christmas to you!

[@jamesdickson3616]

Sounds as though this one is ripe for the crusher Eric, you got balls for having a crack at it

[@RageKage1776]

Thank you Ivan. Saved us an eight hour video haha

[@TheDisgruntledMechanic]

Almost had to take it to the GM dealership! haha! The 2002 that is like this that I have has brake lines on it that look about the same. But when the rest of the truck ain't long for world brake lines is the least of it's problems. And when I tried to unhook the wires from the starter on same truck it was so rusted it snapped right off the stater even with using Blaster. I hate rust!!

[@vipervette03]

Merry Christmas O family. Another awesome video. We all learn from this. thank you

[@SouthMainAuto]

+vipervette03 Merry Christmas to you!

[@dennish4553]

Merry Christmas , we all learn all the time from each other. great video

[@Mebob2001]

i love the brake lines, haha the new kits GM sells are amazing, rubber coated and just slide right in, pre bent and flared haha

[@SouthMainAuto]

+Kevin Rogers They are nice, and cheap too! $110 for all the lines!?!

[@montehyler]

Great video! It just re-enforces my long held belief that "No one of us can know as much as all of us!" Merry Christmas to the SMA family from your fan here in Virginia! Looking forward to more great stuff from you in 2016! Thanks!

[@SouthMainAuto]

+Monte Hyler Merry Christmas to you!

[@slatsgrobneck7515]

All things considered-still a great job Eric! thx

[@quitteable]

You Sure make the verus Look good in this Video. Sorry Abou the Mixed Case. still getting used to this Tablett.

[@SouthMainAuto]

+Jonas Meyer Yeha the new pro is working good!