Chevy Blazer EV vs. Tesla Model Y vs. Hyundai Ioniq 5 | Electric SUV Comparison Test

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@edmundscars
@edmundscars Жыл бұрын
Does the Blazer EV’s range make up for its downsides? Let us know what you think in the comments.
@darrenorange2982
@darrenorange2982 Жыл бұрын
Buy a Lyriq right?
@clintsimone
@clintsimone Жыл бұрын
@@darrenorange2982I think so!
@anthonyhutcherson6286
@anthonyhutcherson6286 Жыл бұрын
Nope, not at all
@BrianNedry
@BrianNedry Жыл бұрын
I like the looks and the ride quality but the performance is underwhelming and for that price of buying the Blazer you could get the Lyriq with better performance and same or better ride quality plus better interior. Kinda DOA if that's the case and performance is a important metric with Evs even if you just want to cruise most days but somedays you just want to get where your going asap.
@lukedubs9151
@lukedubs9151 Жыл бұрын
No. Chevy is their VALUE brand… where is the value? Now if it was fully loaded with the same Lyric performance for 10-15G less, then it makes sense. The Tesla is like a dystopian nightmare devoid of any dreams or personality. The Hyundai is the clear winner and the better car.
@Nick-qx1vf
@Nick-qx1vf Жыл бұрын
That tiny gap in price between the Lyriq and Blazer is a gap GM is simply hoping consumers won't notice. Great to point out.
@clintsimone
@clintsimone Жыл бұрын
It’s so odd, isn’t it?
@jghall00
@jghall00 Жыл бұрын
GM is the undefeated badge marketing champ.
@dontbanmebrodontbanme5403
@dontbanmebrodontbanme5403 Жыл бұрын
Unfortunately for them, we noticed. My wife picked up the Lyriq over the summer!
@dereks4577
@dereks4577 Жыл бұрын
And the Lyric is made in the US.
@joneill6882
@joneill6882 Жыл бұрын
Why are you adding FSD of $12,000 to the Tesla Model Y LR to “compare” to these two cars? They aren’t in the same price range and the Tesla is still better.
@DamienRasheed
@DamienRasheed Жыл бұрын
I like the Blazer allot, and it's my favorite of the group, but I CAN NOT see myself paying 60k for 288hp... just can't do it. And with you all pointing out the Cadillac at 62k for 500hp, that would be my choice of the two.
@dontbanmebrodontbanme5403
@dontbanmebrodontbanme5403 Жыл бұрын
You wouldn't get it even for $60K. After dealer "market adjustments", you'll be lucky to get it for $70K! Meanwhile, the Tesla's price is it's price, since you're buying direct.
@Nebula1701
@Nebula1701 Жыл бұрын
@@dontbanmebrodontbanme5403 Plenty of dealers in my area selling both Cadillac and Chevy at MSRP.
@TroySavary
@TroySavary Жыл бұрын
​@@dontbanmebrodontbanme5403Sure, if you want rough, noisy ride in a vehicle that was at the top of tge most recalled vehicle list, go with Tesla.
@newscoulomb3705
@newscoulomb3705 Жыл бұрын
In actual testing, the output appeared to be nearly 330 hp, but it's the weight of the car that limits the acceleration. The Blazer SS EV would probably be more of your speed. It is rated for 557 hp.
@aeromtb2468
@aeromtb2468 Жыл бұрын
can you see your paying that much for dozens of fault codes and bricks the car?
@dontbanmebrodontbanme5403
@dontbanmebrodontbanme5403 Жыл бұрын
$60k for the Tesla? I just bought mine a month ago. $48K before taxes. I guess they're including the $12K for FSD Beta, but that's silly to do that. The Tesla is way cheaper and is why GM is having such a hard time selling EVs.
@michaelpuceloski2555
@michaelpuceloski2555 Жыл бұрын
They are not having a hard time selling EVs The rollout has been really slow. I have been looking at lyrics, My Cadillac dealership got their first one only about 4 months ago. My Chevy dealership got their first Blazer about 3 weeks ago.
@toxin440
@toxin440 Жыл бұрын
yup - they chose the 12k for FSD package which is silly. Any normal person would have just bought a Model Y Performance. But then anything and everything else in the video would have gotten destroyed performance wise. The fact a performance Y with a tow hitch is cheaper than a mid range missing 1/2 the features Blazer EV is a pretty bad look for GM. I love my 22 EUV, but GM is really screwing the pooch when it comes to how they move forward in the EV world. The world wants EV's but seems GM (and especially their dealer network) isn't interested in actually selling any.
@pedrog4651
@pedrog4651 Жыл бұрын
Which Tesla did you get for 48k?
@toxin440
@toxin440 Жыл бұрын
@@pedrog4651 Long Range Y with 330 miles of range is $48.9k and you don't have to deal with dealership markups (which all are doing to the tune of 5-10k for the Blazer EV's they are getting.
@dontbanmebrodontbanme5403
@dontbanmebrodontbanme5403 Жыл бұрын
@@michaelpuceloski2555 So I will agree with you that part of the reason why EVs from legacy automakers aren't selling well is due to the bizarre rollout. However, I'm sorry, you and I both know it'll be a minor miracle finding the Blazer anywhere for under $70k. Market adjustments (aka, we're not going to make money down the road on maintenance, so we need to charge you extra now) is the reason why so many dealers are struggling to sell EVs.
@javiercastro4561
@javiercastro4561 Жыл бұрын
Nice review. But I will still pick the long-range Model Y. Without FDS, it is in the mid 40k after rebate. And can tow pretty well, unlike the Hyundai
@dontbanmebrodontbanme5403
@dontbanmebrodontbanme5403 Жыл бұрын
Not to mention that you're buying direct from Tesla, so there's no "market adjustments". Good luck trying to get the Lyriq, Blazer, Ioniq 5 or any car sold via a dealer at MSRP. We just picked up the Lyriq over the summer and fought like maniacs and were happy to "only" pay $4K over MSRP. I picked up my MYLR a few months later. It was listed at $48K and that's what I paid. No fight, no yelling, no hassle.
@bitcoinman9202
@bitcoinman9202 Жыл бұрын
Model y is much better. Ioniq 5 is junk and dated interior
@bitbat9
@bitbat9 Жыл бұрын
@@bitcoinman9202 Model Y's interior is absolute junk
@adrianguggisberg3656
@adrianguggisberg3656 Жыл бұрын
What are you talking about? Do you even know what you are talking about? Both the Ioniq 5 and Tesla Model Y's interiors are just fine. They are both great and highly competitive cars in their own right, offering different feats that appeal to different people. Just because one suits you personally better doesn't mean the other is junk.
@gabrielmoralesvelez
@gabrielmoralesvelez Жыл бұрын
​@bitcoinman9202 I wouldn't say that the Ioniq interior is garbage. But it is true that Tesla's is much more nicer. Not to mention the ton of accessories you can get for the Tesla. And is getting much better very soon with the Juniper update.
@Teknomanslade2
@Teknomanslade2 Жыл бұрын
the ONE thing that i like about tesla above all the other car makers is that you can use the cameras as a security system standard in the car... I have yet to see that on any other electric car.... suprised no one is pointing that out especially with cars being stolen. Kia and Hyundai have this stigma attached to them with the "stolen" car challenge so that may take a minute to subside.
@ericward9528
@ericward9528 Жыл бұрын
Also, the cameras act as dashcams. Huge plus!!!
@RATEthisrateTHAT
@RATEthisrateTHAT Жыл бұрын
Rivian I believe are implementing this
@kng128
@kng128 Жыл бұрын
The theft challenge on Hyundai and Kia cars is on those with actual "put the key in the ignition" ICE cars where the steering column is easily compromised and the ignition switch is then manually engaged. Just the same I spent $18 for The Club on Amazon for my Niro EV. I'm not willing to spend thousands extra for a Tesla even with the cameras as standard.
@Teknomanslade2
@Teknomanslade2 Жыл бұрын
​@@kng128 i understand that but you are missing the bigger context. They now have that stigma regardless of what kind kia or hyundai. You really think someone who breaks into your kia or hyundai is really going to know that beforehand or even care? The damage will be done even if they cant steal the car. Then you pay your "couple thousand" fixing your car that potentially keeps being broken in to in the back end with no evidence to potentially capture them doing it. That's like saying you have. A dodge hellcat and fixed it from being stolen.... but doesnt mean that it wont keep being broken in to... its the stigma.
@junehanzawa5165
@junehanzawa5165 Жыл бұрын
@@kng128 How much is the Niro EV? The standard range Model 3 (LFP battery with 272 miles range) goes for around $30,000 after the federal rebate. Is the Niro EV cheaper than that? And what is its charging speed?
@robertt1336
@robertt1336 Жыл бұрын
Isn’t the Model Y now only like $48k after all the price drops? What is the blazer sized battery size used in order to get that kind of range compared to the others?
@TheLobo91
@TheLobo91 Жыл бұрын
44k actually. And because it's lfp you can charge it to 100 percent. Then take away 7500 and in my state you get another 3500 off. So 33k after all said and done. You can't beat that.
@dontbanmebrodontbanme5403
@dontbanmebrodontbanme5403 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, you could clearly see they wanted to "even the playing field" and he therefore tacked on FSD Beta to the price of the Tesla. I bought my MYLR last month. $48K, not the $60K he quoted. Along those same lines, my wife, ironically, picked up a Lyriq over the summer. $62K? Hahahahaha. We got the Luxury 1 version (the better version isn't even out yet, for whatever odd reason). Dealers aren't selling these cars at MSRP, so you'll NEVER get them at that price. I tried convincing my wife to just get a Tesla so that we don't have to deal with market adjustments, but she hates Elon, so she settled on the Lyriq. We fought our asses off and "only" paid $4k over MSRP. I've seen stories of people paying $15K over MSRP for the Ioniq 5. Finding a dealer willing to sell it to you at MSRP is like finding the Yeti!
@fatphoca5009
@fatphoca5009 Жыл бұрын
@@TheLobo91problem is it’s still a shit car. Take away the charging network and no one in their right mind would buy a Tesla.
@KP-xi4bj
@KP-xi4bj Жыл бұрын
@@fatphoca50091.31 million buyers bought a Tesla in 2022. Over that number of people bought a Tesla in the first 9 months of this year. So yeah, everyone and their grandma bought a Tesla. LOL
@bitcoinman9202
@bitcoinman9202 Жыл бұрын
Drove all these bought a tesla
@walex19
@walex19 Жыл бұрын
Taking the model Y any day! Software, charging network wins.
@bitcoinman9202
@bitcoinman9202 Жыл бұрын
Model y so much nicer , the Hyundai is complete shit what a joke lol
@boomafoo9
@boomafoo9 Жыл бұрын
All EVs will soon be able to leverage the Tesla charging network so that won’t be as much of a factor.
@walex19
@walex19 Жыл бұрын
@@boomafoo9 I’m still taking the best software. I like when shit actually works. Also, they are only getting a fraction of the charging network, not all.
@Kidzfoodreview
@Kidzfoodreview Жыл бұрын
@@walex19I’ll take care when it stops rattling like a bag of cans. Software is great but car still needs some work. Hoping another year or two they can work out the kinks
@walex19
@walex19 Жыл бұрын
@@Kidzfoodreview No rattles in mine.
@dandominguez8310
@dandominguez8310 Жыл бұрын
Isn't the Model Y LR range with the big rims rated at 318 miles (surprisingly)? Seems like the EPA is spot on. 330 is applicable to the standard wheels that are 18". Takes 5s to google.
@IReahpZz
@IReahpZz Жыл бұрын
19s but yes your statement is correct . These guys ran it on myp 21s and it nailed its estimate .
@BALANCEDPORTFOLIO
@BALANCEDPORTFOLIO Жыл бұрын
I think Edmunds were aiming for a particular result and were willing to cheat to get there. saying that FSD cost "thousands" is evasive - FSD is 12k and without it the Y still has Autopilot which is pretty good on the highway
@berthogendoorn2133
@berthogendoorn2133 Жыл бұрын
Was that a older than 2023 Model Y with 19 inch wheels, this year has a much more comfortable ride, older models especially with 21 inch wheels were astoundingly rough ride!
@dontbanmebrodontbanme5403
@dontbanmebrodontbanme5403 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I found his take on the ride off. My wife has the Lyriq and I have the MYLR on 19" wheels and while the Lyriq has a more damped ride, there are times it bounces around too much. I feel the MYLR has a sportier suspension, designed to actually deal with its speed better.
@pedrog4651
@pedrog4651 Жыл бұрын
Lyriq, Model Y and Mach-e seem to be the best out there. What else can you say about the two you have. Thanks
@McSMACKthe1st
@McSMACKthe1st Жыл бұрын
If you want or need CarPlay or Android Auto then The Honda Prologue is basically the same EV as the Blazer EV and comes with both CarPlay and Android Auto. GM builds the Honda Prologue EV and Acura ZDX EV on the Blazer EV platform. All three are the same vehicle underneath.
@BrianNedry
@BrianNedry Жыл бұрын
How come with all these huge screens in the Blazer or most Evs in general, car manufacturers aren't providing streaming content like Tesla. KZbin, Netflix, Disney etc.. is a great option to have while charging on long trips. Does anyone know of any other Evs with streaming services other than Tesla?
@dontbanmebrodontbanme5403
@dontbanmebrodontbanme5403 Жыл бұрын
Yep. I picked up lunch today and decided to watch Netflix while eating in my MYLR. A lot of these cars have big screens, but the orientation isn't perfect for watching movies, etc.
@cbatiau2528
@cbatiau2528 Жыл бұрын
Exactly … screens should be horizontal, NOT vertical, in cars
@TroySavary
@TroySavary Жыл бұрын
It will have whatever streaming apps that are in the Play Store.
@mrxman581
@mrxman581 Жыл бұрын
​@@dontbanmebrodontbanme5403Because it's a gimmick.
@catholicexplorer9231
@catholicexplorer9231 Жыл бұрын
Did he say Tesla model y is 60k? It is 49k. Why would you add a FSD option?
@achasilas6535
@achasilas6535 Жыл бұрын
I know. That's how you know they are bias. Because they know pricing will make a big difference for most people.
@brawnbenson552
@brawnbenson552 Жыл бұрын
Yep, they intentionally added that $12,000 feature and didn’t use it, compare it, or include video footage. Pretty crappy. Plus they compared a 2021 specs. A lot has changed for 2023. And a lot will change for 2024
@BWill341
@BWill341 4 ай бұрын
Include what you want. The Tesla laid the foundation but bigger manufacturers will dominate this segment without Tesla selling out.
@disla25
@disla25 Жыл бұрын
You should have definitely listed the prices of the compared cars. $42,500 Tesla Y LR with autopilot, after FED incentive. $53,250 Chevy(If it qualifies for the entire 7500), $56K Hyundai that doesn't qualify for incentives. 🤔OS Ionic really worth $13K premium over Tesla? I certainly don't think so. By the way, I run Android Auto in my Tesla with no issues using Teslaa app by using my phone's Wifi hotspot and don't pay for Premium connectivity. Chevy will require a data plan to use its Google connectivity, so I was told when reviewing Blazer EV. Sure, it is highly overpriced! I agree that it makes sense to get Lyriq instead. My initial Blazer EV reservation mentioned $53K starting price and it starts at $57K now, and the add-on package is ridiculous - adaptive CC and safety features should definitely be standard.
@charname-player
@charname-player Жыл бұрын
Ioniq 5 sel $47000 with highway assist 2. Similar to Tesla enhanced ap, and $7500 rebate from factory and free charger and installation, so it is cheaper
@Nebula1701
@Nebula1701 Жыл бұрын
GM is offering 8 years free for connectivity in the Blazer, means 8 years of free nav, google assistant, and apps. You can also connect the Blazer to your Phones hotspot for data if so needed.
@gamingwitharlen2267
@gamingwitharlen2267 Жыл бұрын
Honestly the limited is the worst deal, get the SEl AWD for 40k-42k grand after discounts and rebates or the Rwd one for 38-40k after discounts and rebates.
@mrxman581
@mrxman581 Жыл бұрын
They're tax rebates. Doesn't mean everyone gets to take it off their taxes. There are income limits too to get the rebate. That's why.
@cypvh74
@cypvh74 Жыл бұрын
Dat plan for the Chevy is free for 8 years.
@joetz1
@joetz1 Жыл бұрын
It sounds like you added FSD to blow up your price. Without it the Y would have undercut the other 2 so dramatically it would have been a slaughter. Also the Tesla network is available now. If you buy the other 2 you have to stay close to home and can’t travel.
@mihaiconstantin-pau5116
@mihaiconstantin-pau5116 Жыл бұрын
added the FSD for the price, but never mentioned the benefits of it.
@gamingwitharlen2267
@gamingwitharlen2267 Жыл бұрын
Bc the other ones come standard with it.@@mihaiconstantin-pau5116
@4literv6
@4literv6 Жыл бұрын
I want a rematch between the model Y perf, ioniq 5n and blazer ss next year. 👍🏻😀
@dineshthangavel
@dineshthangavel Жыл бұрын
that would be so cool to watch!
@4literv6
@4literv6 Жыл бұрын
@@dineshthangavel yes it would imo. Edmunds should also do a simple will it baby test, a 15-20min charging session etc. Show some stuff that normal buyers would be doing with these cars/vehicle's daily.
@clintsimone
@clintsimone Жыл бұрын
You’re not the only one, my friend! I’ll make it happen.
@dontbanmebrodontbanme5403
@dontbanmebrodontbanme5403 Жыл бұрын
This video is nice, but doesn't tell the real story. What do I mean? * First off, they said the Tesla Model YLR is $60k. No it's not. It's $48K. I just bought one last month! So to make the Tesla look bad for this review, they included the price of FSD Beta. Why? * My wife picked up a Lyriq over the summer. I'd say we pulled off a minor miracle to "ONLY" pay $4K over MSRP. I've seen many, MANY stories of people paying up to $15K over MSRP for the Ioniq 5. * There's no federal tax credit for the Ioniq 5. He seemed intent on jacking up the price of the MYLR and also intent on not mentioning the lack of a tax credit. When I get my $7,500 back in a few months, along with my state credit, basically I'll have paid $40K. * Other manufacturers will only get access to a fraction of Tesla's supercharger network, not all of them. He just said that they'll get access, but didn't mention that caveat, which is misleading at best.
@4literv6
@4literv6 Жыл бұрын
@@dontbanmebrodontbanme5403 Edmunds are basically teslaq since tsla doesn't pay them like legacy ice oems do. 👍🏻😀 Thanks for sharing real world valuable information.
@anthonyc8499
@anthonyc8499 Жыл бұрын
Blazer looks amazing but for 3k more, I want the Lyriq's 500hp and glass roof
@TroySavary
@TroySavary Жыл бұрын
Blazer will probably go down in price as production ramps.
@MrBeugh
@MrBeugh Жыл бұрын
Range is a bit of a red herring in that over 80% of EV owners charge at home. It matters more on road trips, but even the modest 150 mile range in the Nissan Leaf is more than enough for daily commuting and running around town. Clearly more range is better, but remember that most people plug-in at home and wake up to a full tank.
@davidmenasco5743
@davidmenasco5743 Жыл бұрын
What was really missing was any mention of charging speed. Charging speed and efficiency make a bigger difference than range if you take a long road trip. See Bjørn Nyland's 1,000 km Challenge videos to see how it works. In each video there's a table shown just after the trip is finished, it's a small excerpt of his full spreadsheet. The road trip champion is Tesla. Ioniq is good too. If Bjørn tested a Blazer, it would finish more than an hour behind the Model Y, most likely - if the performance of the Lyriq is any indication. It has a big battery and mediocre charging.
@Edward-Norton
@Edward-Norton Жыл бұрын
Why no mention of Federal Tax Credit qualifications?
@Justme-gd1oh
@Justme-gd1oh Жыл бұрын
“Screwed together better then a modle Y”, where’s the video about the 28 error messages you got after two months making the car undrivable. Pal, I don’t think you’re screwed together to tight.
@javiercasillas5953
@javiercasillas5953 Жыл бұрын
How about telling why the blazer has a longer range? I have the answer because it Hass a bigger battery not because is more efficient
@Nebula1701
@Nebula1701 Жыл бұрын
The Blazer EV AWD RS has an 85 kWh battery. The Blazer EV RS FWD will have the 102 kWh battery the Lyriq has.
@JustinKelly
@JustinKelly Жыл бұрын
​​@@Nebula1701*RWD (No FWD versions have been slated for production yet)
@Nebula1701
@Nebula1701 Жыл бұрын
@@JustinKelly but we already know the battery size for them…
@jimmurphy5355
@jimmurphy5355 Жыл бұрын
Well, you at least metioned that the Model Y is "Thousands less" if you don't get the (very optimistically named) FSD - but you didn't say just how many thousands less. FSD is insanely expensive - $12,000. Skip that option, and the Model Y is ~$50,000 (including delivery but not tax.) And if you also opt for the standard 19" wheels, you get better range, and a modestly better ride. This review also compared a 2021 Y to the Balzer. The 2023 Model Y has a much improved ride (still firm, but not nearly so jiggly as before) and notably better sound isolation and general build quality. Buyers have voted with their wallets - for sensible reasons. The model Y sells 10-20 times the volume of any of its nominal competitors. Cheaper by far, rock solid software, and of course (for now) exclusive use of the Supercharger network.
@maxlenfestey
@maxlenfestey Жыл бұрын
... you added a 12K option (full self driving) that most people don't get to the Tesla to make it priced similarly to the others, then put it in last place. Wouldn't "It's 12K cheaper" be a reason to get, or at least consider, the Model Y? If the other two are so clearly better, why don't/won't they sell? You seem out of touch here.
@jcpizer
@jcpizer Жыл бұрын
Correction: Chevy will have access to 12k out of 50k superchargers. NOT the “supercharger network.”
@joegibbs2508
@joegibbs2508 Жыл бұрын
There is so much more to this story!! I just purchased a new 2023 Model Y Long Range from inventory for $44,090 -$7500 taken directly off the price at sale, got it down to $36,590. Sure, there's additional fee's from Tesla for delivery and whatnot which adds $1550 But it's still just barely over $38K out the door for an SUV crossover that accelerates like a roller coaster and handles corners like a Ford Escort. Oh, it has more storage than the others also. Yes, it's not a Kush ride like that big heavy slow Chevy. Its suspension is MUCH more performance oriented. I came here to this video to compare, and boy am I happy with my Model Y! Oh yeah the stereo isn't a "name brand", hahahaha it's BETTER!
@808jspekeg6
@808jspekeg6 10 ай бұрын
Tesla uses sound engineers from audiophile company bang & olufsen which is significantly superior in sound quality over Bose.
@Linkmaster2010
@Linkmaster2010 Жыл бұрын
I was extremely interested in this car when it was going to cost $52k as you had it specced. Then GM announced an $8k price increase the same week the IRS listed it as eligible for the full $7,500 tax credit. Quite the coincidence.... I ended up buying a used Kia EV6 because the Ioniq 5 limited was too pricey for simple creature comforts the EV6 had in lower trims. I would've loved to get a Lyriq, but Cadillac has been slow at production.
@rylans.5365
@rylans.5365 Жыл бұрын
My mom got an EV6 Light, and even though it’s the base trim there are still such great features. She ended up paying only about 650 over MSRP which is great in these times.
@paulo3564
@paulo3564 Жыл бұрын
Blazer at price Will not sell.
@dankuo8561
@dankuo8561 Жыл бұрын
Your pricing discussion for the Tesla did not include the tax credit at $7500. Many states will add their own tax credit on top of the Feds. GM and Hyundai are import their batteries and credits are limited..
@deasunodonnachadha6408
@deasunodonnachadha6408 Жыл бұрын
Hows the safety scores on these cars?
@ronsexton3685
@ronsexton3685 Жыл бұрын
Come on man. The Tesla has the full Supercharger network right now! I wouldn't be buying 'futures'. If you buy the car then you want to travel NOW. Not 'sometime next year'. Also, as you mentioned, the Tesla costs less and is very well sorted and gets software OTA updates often whereas the others get NONE or very few and slow. The Tesla is the smart choice. I took mine up to Mammoth lakes and the Tesla Superchargers were the ONLY chargers in town! Very nice and worked great!
@daryl9799
@daryl9799 Жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure tesla chargerd are open to any brand now or they will be in the near future.
@ronsexton3685
@ronsexton3685 Жыл бұрын
@@daryl9799 They aren't. For one thing they have the wrong connector. Sometime in 2024 they are supposed to get an adapter and the software has to be working to link everything up. But don't know when. Then in 2025 they are supposed to start producing their cars with the Tesla connector. Some in 2026. But TBD. They are a few Magic Doc superchargers open, but only a few.. A ways off.
@daryl9799
@daryl9799 Жыл бұрын
@@ronsexton3685 I seen a guy in a video recently charging his f150 on a tesla charger. Eventually they will open them up to everyone you will just need a adapter l.
@dontbanmebrodontbanme5403
@dontbanmebrodontbanme5403 Жыл бұрын
The only reason why legacy automakers even mention that there are OTA updates is because they're trying to compete with Tesla. I still remember the days of GM trying to charge us $350 to update the GPS map. This kind of nickel and diming was a major source of income for dealers. My wife bought a Lyriq over the summer, the app has been atrocious since she got it and they haven't fixed it yet. I could say a lot more, but suffice it to say, he didn't give the whole picture in this review.
@ronsexton3685
@ronsexton3685 Жыл бұрын
@@daryl9799 Eventually is the word. That was the Magic Doc and as I said, only a few. There are adapters, but they don't work as they need to be authorized. There are videos, probably from the same guy as the F150, on this as well. It's a LOT of voltage!
@Braveatheart39
@Braveatheart39 Жыл бұрын
8:27 Google integration is BAD for Android users wanting to use Android Auto too. When I say "Okay Google" it defaults to the car, even if there is not a data subscription active and tries to sell me the data subscription. To be honest... I think there will be accidents as this causes far more distracted driving if you want to update the GPS. Note I had this experience in a rented Bolt EUV from Hertz in November 2023. Hopefully this gets updated but I don't think it will as GM likely sees it as a free POS to sell OnStar data.
@Jethr001
@Jethr001 Жыл бұрын
NOT FAIR! Why would you jack up the price of the Tesla by getting full self driving option that is not available on the other two cars??
@michaelsandman7179
@michaelsandman7179 Жыл бұрын
It's really strange that GM is leaving CarPlay out. There are a lot of iPhones out there in the hands of potential EV customers. The easy integration with CarPlay was one of the criteria near the top of my list when I bought and EV - an Ioniq 5 Limited in December 2022. The 2023 model Ioniq 5 connects flawless to to my iPhone through Bluetooth, but it have doesn't connect wirelessly to CarPlay, which is a mild pain. You have to plug into the main USB port. But the GM an Hyundai don't connect at all, which is a show-stopper. And there's some indication that a software update will give 2023 Ioniq 5's wireless connectivity to CarPal.
@blipblop92
@blipblop92 Жыл бұрын
You gotta pay to play with Apple and GM aint having none of it 😂
@Wasabi9111
@Wasabi9111 Жыл бұрын
Totally agree. I love CarPlay and it’s a top 3 requirement in a new car.
@joeuser2360
@joeuser2360 Жыл бұрын
There's nothing strange about it. It's about subscription revenue. But it's an extra cost to have to try to integrate your iPhone features to their system if possible. What a way to tarnish the customer experience and long term satisfaction.
@TroySavary
@TroySavary Жыл бұрын
I don't see why people care about Carplay and Android Auto. GM has Android integrated, so will have native support for the apps you would want in a vehicle.
@Wasabi9111
@Wasabi9111 Жыл бұрын
​@@TroySavary For ppl jumping from cars to cars, carplay is a consistent UI and let the user pick up where they left from one car to the next. We currently have 2 cars w/ google interface and they suck! there's limited apps and the apps are not optimized. Luckily, both of these cars have carplay and I use carplay 99% of the time.
@baritone05
@baritone05 Жыл бұрын
I wonder what kind of cost per unit they were paying to Apple for ACP.
@niklaseklund88
@niklaseklund88 Жыл бұрын
Wow! This is the most reasonable Edmunds EV video I've seen yet. Tends to hate on Tesla... Good things about all of them. Choice comes down to preference, price and possibly convenience of charging. Still insane to say only reason to get a Tesla would be the charging network. More storage space, cheaper, better tech, safer, great Soundsystem, awesome OTA updates and more...
@mihaiconstantin-pau5116
@mihaiconstantin-pau5116 Жыл бұрын
yeah but Tesla don't advertise, don't give perks to hungry journalists. Lame overall attempt at leveling the playing field. Let's ignore the better storage, better brakes, acceleration, smaller weight, better handling. Let's also ignore being 30% cheaper (!!!!)
@ericbell217
@ericbell217 Жыл бұрын
The review wasn't fair though. They compared 2024 models against the 2021 Model Y, and added 12k for FSD to the sticker to make the price look comparable... They're not.
@wr8thbeatz322
@wr8thbeatz322 Жыл бұрын
only 288hp for the price tag of 60k? That’s barely more than the standard range 30-40k Tesla model 3😂
@alancapes5644
@alancapes5644 Жыл бұрын
So, the best selling vehicle on the planet (Mosel Y) is $12k less than the blazer and Ionic doesn’t get the $7,500 credit. The 2023 MY has improved suspensio, quieter ride and matrix lighrs standard, and the best charging network, with route/charge planning and monthly OTA updates. Chevy MAY have an adapter sometime in 2024 that will allow access to some of Teslaa's Superchargers.
@charliethesupebeagle
@charliethesupebeagle Жыл бұрын
I respect the boldness to ditch Apple CarPlay, but GM will need to back that up with OTA updates and not leave customers abandoned with bugs. Let’s see how they do. I actually want them to succeed on this and break the Apple stronghold, but at some point the bean counters will ask for justification to work on updated software and I predict this will all just die when that happens. They just don’t understand the software mindset.
@toxin440
@toxin440 Жыл бұрын
Both the Volt and Bolt I owned were promised and capable of OTA updates, in 7 years not a single update was pushed. GM's bean counters saw what BMW was trying and said "hey me too!" They actively removed features customers loved, replaced them with a crappy version that's behind a paywall. This is before the double dipping they will do as the gatekeeper of every byte of data in and out of the car combined with google analytics and voice monitoring to harvest more of that sweet sweet data they crave. I was super excited and had a reservation for a Blazer EV, cancelled it soon as the AA/Carplay lockout was confirmed, the fact it's a stupid high price (before dealer markups) for a mid level car sealed the deal for me. Will enjoy my 22 EUV for the time being and probably get a Model Y couple years down the road. GM doesn't want to sell you a car anymore, they want to sell you a subscription to a car.
@Story_Teller_Everyone
@Story_Teller_Everyone Жыл бұрын
Apple car play is awesome u prefer it over my Tesla interface. I do love the Tesla phone app though.
@Nebula1701
@Nebula1701 Жыл бұрын
@@toxin440 I have a 2019 Volt and for the first two years of ownership we had several OTA updates. OTA updates are still pushed to the car now and then for the apps and some OnStar fixes... As for the Infotainment system they stopped because OTA updates got to big for the cars internal storage but you can still get USB updates at the dealership. As for Ultifi and OTA updates GM has been releasing one OTA update per month for the last year. As for Android Auto/Car Play.... GM is giving you 8 years of connectivity for free for data services.... Also if you have issues you can always pair your car to your phones hotspot and use your phones data.
@rodhusome8292
@rodhusome8292 8 ай бұрын
I don't like apple anyway I much prefer Google. Tnx chevy
@Jethr001
@Jethr001 Жыл бұрын
Soooo, for another $2000 the Tesla model Y can be upgraded to a 4.2 second 0-60 time. not to mention the model Y performance that is significantly faster than the other two. Why does Edmonds hate Tesla?
@kevtheobald
@kevtheobald Жыл бұрын
Not sure which suspension package is in the Model Y used in this, because the comfort suspension Tesla has recently added gets high praise.
@tracykarinp
@tracykarinp Жыл бұрын
You should compare the 2024 Blazer with the 2023 Model Y with comfort suspension. I believe your using a 2020 Tesla Model Y - not a fair comparison. I've owned a 2020 MYP and now own the 2023 MYP which has a significant improvement in ride quality and cabin quietness. BTW, you can use voice control to adjust the temperature, glove box and many other features - no need for buttons. Also, Apple Music has been added where you can use the touchscreen or voice control to select your music.
@Cakebattered
@Cakebattered Жыл бұрын
Regarding rear seating space. Look at depth of the bench of each car @6:43 The Tesla has a shallow and relatively flat rear bench, offering the least thigh support. Everyone focuses on forward leg space, but thigh support is very important for a long ride. The Tesla Model Y rear seating is not as comfortable as the other two for any trip over 20 miles.
@MTLJack
@MTLJack Ай бұрын
Please note for canadians that the Tesla Y base model LR is 60k$ , Hyundai Ioniq 5 is about 58k and Equinox base model for barely 48k-53k depending if you want base model or RS.
@Jasonfallen71
@Jasonfallen71 Жыл бұрын
Select a $12,000 option on the Tesla and then declare the prices equal!?!? Wouldn’t it be fair to not include options that don’t exist on the other cars?
@ericbell217
@ericbell217 Жыл бұрын
They used a 2021 Model Y LR with performance rims to lower the range against what's stated and worsen the overall ride quality. The 2023 Model Y has many upgrades, including a far superior suspension. The Y is a better car for significantly less money.
@pillington1338
@pillington1338 Жыл бұрын
There's some biased testing here it seems like. The Model Y LR is currently $48,000, that's $12k cheaper than the Blazer. Also, the Ioniq and Blazer will not be getting "fully access" to the Supercharger network, they will get limited access to Tesla's V3 and V4 superchargers.
@Slizzo82
@Slizzo82 Жыл бұрын
Long time GM owner, traded in my 6M SS Sedan on an EV6 GT a week ago. Been very happy with the Kia so far.
@monaforster7236
@monaforster7236 3 ай бұрын
I liked all your comparisons, but you did not talk about charging times and capabilities. As an example, the 2024 Honda Prologue takes a full 18 hours to fully charge! How long does it take for the three cars you just compared????
@mrxman581
@mrxman581 Жыл бұрын
A very important factor you didn't compare was the charging speeds. How does the Blazer do against the other two? Thanks.
@robfelts8076
@robfelts8076 Жыл бұрын
At $60k, the Blazer is about $20k overpriced.
@Nebula1701
@Nebula1701 Жыл бұрын
It's an RS, once you apply the 7500 tax credit it is priced similarly to the ICE Blazer RS price of 53K. So right where GM wants it.
@BWill341
@BWill341 4 ай бұрын
Hats off to you 10 months in the past. You can walk off the lot at 38 k atm for this same car.
@bahamatodd
@bahamatodd Жыл бұрын
Should have also checked the interior room width. How comfortable with three across in the back seat?
@djcali001
@djcali001 Жыл бұрын
While I love how informative these reviews are I feel like they leave out a very important piece of the long term value proposition of the cars. Especially EVs. The cost of the connected service subscriptions. Once the initial trial subscriptions run out the monthly cost of maintaining these becomes a significant factor in whether the car is a good value for the money given that on the Chevy the cheapest plan that allows you to remote start your vehicle is $14.99 per month and doesn’t appear to include connected navigation. In an electric vehicle these things aren’t really optional the way they are in an ICE car. To maximize range in an EV you have to pre-condition your cabin while plugged in so remote start is essential. Don’t want to get stuck charging for an hour plus? Make sure to pre-condition that battery. However you’ll need to do that through the built in navigation and not the one you already pay T-Mobile for on that $1,200 iPhone. Could we tie the pre-conditioning into the smartphone subscription you already pay for. Sure, but where’s profit in that? So for that Chevy Blazer EV add a minimum of $30 to $40 a month for the essential connected services. I find it odd that auto journalists never include this when talking about which vehicle is the better value.
@dhrider4895
@dhrider4895 Жыл бұрын
For the android automotive do you need a gm data plan or you can use the data from your mobile?
@alex135789
@alex135789 Жыл бұрын
Model Y long range is only $42,500 if you qualify for the tax credits. It's the best bargain. It's the best/highest sold car on the planet. Not just an EV but overall highest sold car in the world. People vote with their wallets. Edmunds is a paid publication- which literally means it's paid to LIE.
@ayushmalpeddi2793
@ayushmalpeddi2793 Жыл бұрын
I’m confused why you wouldn’t range tests a 23 Dual Motor Model Y with 19s. That would definitely have the most range in this group of cars tested. Even with the 20s it would likely get right past the Blazer
@davidmenasco5743
@davidmenasco5743 Жыл бұрын
What was really missing was any mention of charging speed. Charging speed and efficiency make a bigger difference than range if you take a long road trip. See Bjørn Nyland's 1,000 km Challenge videos to see how it works. In each video there's a table shown just after the trip is finished, it's a small excerpt of his full spreadsheet. The road trip champion is Tesla. Ioniq is good too. If Bjørn tested a Blazer, it would finish more than an hour behind the Model Y, most likely - if the performance of the Lyriq is any indication. It has a big battery and mediocre charging.
@peterw2714
@peterw2714 Жыл бұрын
Since you’re mostly sitting inside the car and driving it usually in a normal manner, seems like the Chevy would definitely be my choice. rides the best, has the best screens and gives you buttons to use. Sounds like the winner.
@CornelioAustin
@CornelioAustin Күн бұрын
It would be great to do a retest on distance after you have it for a year. I’m sure there should be some degrading on the battery by that time.
@dennissquires726
@dennissquires726 Жыл бұрын
What about charging speeds? Did you compare all three?
@edsgarage001
@edsgarage001 Жыл бұрын
The ioniq 5 would dominate that comparison thanks to its 800v system. 10 to 80 percent in 18 minutes. On a 9600 mile road trip, I averaged 24 minutes per charge. That was with all sorts of different charging stations ranging from 50kw to 350kw. But with pretty much every 150kw station, we were in and out in under 20 minutes
@toxin440
@toxin440 Жыл бұрын
cancelled my Blazer EV order soon as I found out about them ditching AA/Carplay months ago. Icing on the cake that it was the smart move was the absolute stupid price (before dealer markups) on a mid level Blazer EV. hah $60k. At that price I can go buy a Model Y performance that's CHEAPER than this mid tier thing. I'll continue to enjoy my 22 Bolt EUV for now, but the biggest thing pushing me to buy a Tesla is actually GM. Go to any dealership and they are all marking it up 5-10k, so the reality of getting one is $70k, HAH. Funny aside: Both the Volt and Bolt I've had were promised OTA updates, and in 7 years didn't receive a single one.
@YTYTYTY7
@YTYTYTY7 Жыл бұрын
same. With expected crazy SS pricing and no carplay, it’s out.
@LFTRnow
@LFTRnow Жыл бұрын
What is the L3 DC fast charge rate of each (maximum and with nearly full batteries)? For example, Bolt is 50 kW (slow), and then 15 kW (painfully slow) when battery over 80%.
@edsgarage001
@edsgarage001 Жыл бұрын
The ioniq 5 can charge at up to about 250kw, and it's capable of sustaining that speed much longer then the others. It's by far the fastest charging of the 3. It's sibling, the ioniq 6 adds more range per minute than any EV on the market.
@edsgarage001
@edsgarage001 Жыл бұрын
You said the ioniq 5 doesn't have ota.. but that's incorrect as it most definitely does.
@CodexF0X
@CodexF0X Жыл бұрын
Great review! I had a feeling those high prices would bite chevrolet in the ass!
@aeromtb2468
@aeromtb2468 Жыл бұрын
how were the fault codes on the blazer?
@pnketia
@pnketia Жыл бұрын
You paid $60k for a long range Tesla Model Y?????? I bought a fully loaded performance Model Y for $58k. Are you comparing apples to apples with features of each car??????
@patmanrick
@patmanrick Жыл бұрын
Genuine question, what does Edmunds have against Tesla? The Model Y LR is $49k before rebate and you're comparing it to $60k vehicles with no acknowledgement of the fact it's a whopping $11k cheaper. You reference a range test for the Model Y on 21s when the claimed range is based on 19s (and we all know that rim size matters a lot for efficiency) Then you conclude that the ONLY reason to buy the Model Y over the others is the charging network, when actually there are a lot of reasons, some of which you even mentioned in the video - for example it can carry more luggage, costs loads less, better software, efficient etc. Teslas definitely have flaws, but its eyebrow raising that your coverage of them seems so skewed. Just being contrarian?
@ericbell217
@ericbell217 Жыл бұрын
AND they used a 2021 Model Y in the review. 🤣🤣 So biased they aren't even trying to hide it.
@jessesea77
@jessesea77 Жыл бұрын
I love Apple car play and was one of the hardest things to let go of when I got my Tesla
@gabrielmoralesvelez
@gabrielmoralesvelez Жыл бұрын
You can buy a display to add Apple Car play
@jacobquarfot7236
@jacobquarfot7236 Жыл бұрын
What I don’t understand is why adaptive cruise control is an option on such an expensive car. When my 23 Civic Sport has it standard.
@jimcarter4425
@jimcarter4425 8 ай бұрын
I love my 2024 Blazer EV. It performed like a champ on vacation over five states and 2400 miles!
@SkyRiver1
@SkyRiver1 Жыл бұрын
Bang & Olufsen is now not a name brand? Just way better than the name brand you think is a name brand.
@jefflloyd394
@jefflloyd394 Жыл бұрын
Great, I love my bolt and would love to upgrade to the Blazer, but will have to look at the Caddy .
@brewnoh9606
@brewnoh9606 6 ай бұрын
Please add the mach e and 2024 ID 4 in your review here
@mattevans7352
@mattevans7352 Жыл бұрын
I think that thing he mentioned about the Blazer EV not feeling much different than a regular Blazer, is what's going to attract buyers to the Blazer Ev over the Ionic and Tesla. Buyers are going to want a driving experience that's not too disimilar to what they have now with their ICE cars.
@cypvh74
@cypvh74 Жыл бұрын
That’s the comparison I would like them to do. Feature for feature and drive experience between the ICE and EV Blazer.
@ken830
@ken830 Жыл бұрын
Hoping for software updates from GM to fix issues? Don't hold your breath.
@joshualewis393
@joshualewis393 Жыл бұрын
How did the Blazer AWD RS go 320 miles when it should get 279? I feel Chevrolet messed up the range estimate. It probably should be that the RWD should get 279 and the AWD should get 320. I wonder if any independent tester has range tested the RWD RS. Chevy needs to price this at least $5k lower to be more inline with the Model Y.
@ericm4840
@ericm4840 Жыл бұрын
Cadillac Lyriq had a similar over-performance on range testing when Tom M. tested it. No mention of the charging curve, Tom has reported strange charging performance with the Ultium-platform vehicles.
@clintsimone
@clintsimone Жыл бұрын
We’ve seen a pattern with Ultium cars going further than their range claims. It’s a good thing!
@joshualewis393
@joshualewis393 Жыл бұрын
@clintsimone Definitely good but it shows that the claimed numbers test needs to be severely revamped.
@deansmits006
@deansmits006 Жыл бұрын
Different ways of testing. There's 2 ways they can test
@joshualewis393
@joshualewis393 Жыл бұрын
@deansmits006 I know the EPA has been doing the official testing on rollers in a building for decades for the ICE vehicles. Which is not efficient in my opinion since the consumer can get 3-4 mpg (at least) better than what they rate the vehicle for. There should be a actual outside test done instead but whatever.
@mgweir3252
@mgweir3252 Ай бұрын
I bought the 2024 Blazer and list price was $55K. They discounted the $2600 package, got the Fed tax credit, state tax credit, $1500 Chevy discount, $1K military discount and a $1K Costco discount making it $38K before taxes. Also got 5 years of 0% financing. I would say that was a good deal.
@TheRealSpyKent
@TheRealSpyKent Жыл бұрын
To answer your question about Apple CarPlay... I'm in the market for a new vehicle, and any make or model without ACP is out of the running for me.
@clintsimone
@clintsimone Жыл бұрын
Definitely can’t blame you for that
@TheRealSpyKent
@TheRealSpyKent 8 ай бұрын
Same... there are too many good options out there with ACP.
@terrilopez9970
@terrilopez9970 6 ай бұрын
The Ionic vibtates at 69 mph. I just test drove it and it was bad. Reviews talk about flat spots on tire from shipping and mant other suggestions but if i am going to pay 60k i dont want complete car vibration. Why isn't this noted in any of your reviews?
@bugpumper
@bugpumper 8 ай бұрын
ypu only mentioned Apple car play in the Blazer, what about Android Auto?
@robwilson7172
@robwilson7172 Жыл бұрын
You mentioned seat recline and usb ports but left out rear ventalation. My kids tend to talk about these things as my truck doesn't have rear ventation but my wife car does making it a nicer ride for them.
@robn.5932
@robn.5932 Жыл бұрын
Not only is the model Y the best selling car in the segment but its now the best selling car in the world!
@Vgmal003
@Vgmal003 Жыл бұрын
@ 10:10, just FYI, there is OTA on the Ioniq 5.
@JustinKelly
@JustinKelly Жыл бұрын
Multimedia only
@irocz5150
@irocz5150 Жыл бұрын
Chevy / Cadillac platform isn't this the same will be use in new Honda Prologue?
@frankieb7405
@frankieb7405 Жыл бұрын
Yup
@clintsimone
@clintsimone Жыл бұрын
Yes it is
@irocz5150
@irocz5150 Жыл бұрын
I would wait to see Honda's EV. I was a Honda owner and I'm a current Chevy owner, for sure I prefer Honda reliability.
@toddh4491
@toddh4491 Жыл бұрын
Another great comparison, thank you!
@moreybrown870
@moreybrown870 Жыл бұрын
Yeah- so glad you brought up the Lyriq at the end. It seems to be the amazing deal in luxury crossover EVs these days. Especially with $7,500 off. Problem is... ugh, I just don't see myself driving a Caddy (too luxury, too flashy for me) But- I could use that 3,500lb towing capacity and 500hp. decisions decisions.
@larzlarz1140
@larzlarz1140 Жыл бұрын
Kind of an untimely release for this video. GM just issued a stop sale order on the Blazer EV because of multiple complaints from users that their car’s computer just bricks itself until the car is shut off and restarted. One journalist’s car reported 23 errors from the control unit in normal on-road driving!
@nsu300zx
@nsu300zx Жыл бұрын
What does the phone projection do?
@treborheminway3814
@treborheminway3814 Жыл бұрын
Dear Edmunds, is safety a factor in selecting a car? It would be great if you would factor that in. Put it stage forward, not left out. Thank you.
@stephanmeydell8717
@stephanmeydell8717 5 ай бұрын
Apple car play is a must for any new car
@idemchuk0506
@idemchuk0506 Жыл бұрын
I'm getting the Model Y in a few months for a bit over $40K brand new.
@jsfarrow69
@jsfarrow69 Жыл бұрын
You are incorrect that the Hyundai Ioniq 5 doesn't get OTA updates. I've gotten two since I bought mine back in April.
@roberterickson6331
@roberterickson6331 Жыл бұрын
I could careless about Apple car play
@ryanyoder7573
@ryanyoder7573 Жыл бұрын
I couldn’t care less
@Shaverlakecabinwildlife
@Shaverlakecabinwildlife 10 ай бұрын
Something failed to mention is that while the blazer did better in range but they have quite a bigger battery
@dhaferalqarni9291
@dhaferalqarni9291 Жыл бұрын
Mainstream media is so separated from reality.. no one recommends the Model Y and yet it's the best selling Car on the planet. Pretty sure people are not listening to them.
@bob-qi4nr
@bob-qi4nr Жыл бұрын
BBBAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH
@davidharris316
@davidharris316 Жыл бұрын
I can't wait for the Honda Prologue to get on the road so a proper comparison can be made between these two cars because the Prologue is also using the Ultium platform.
@infiniteone783
@infiniteone783 Жыл бұрын
Once the new Model Y comes out, you're going to have to do another one of these 😅
@Davegvg3576
@Davegvg3576 Жыл бұрын
This comparison is missing one of the biggest components of owning an electric car- charging. I wonder why?
@TimothyPetersphoto
@TimothyPetersphoto 2 ай бұрын
One of the main reasons I’m going from my Bolt EUV Premier to the Ioniq 5 is GM ditching CarPlay.
@jvaillancourt
@jvaillancourt Жыл бұрын
Model Y suspension has been improved in 2023. A 2023 Model Y on 19 inch wheels should have a much smoother ride than a previous year model on 21 inch.
@ericbell217
@ericbell217 Жыл бұрын
They know this.. they wanted to be biased
@davidtepper2778
@davidtepper2778 Жыл бұрын
No, super cruise or Apple CarPlay on the blazer, that’s a dealbreaker. Add the lower performance and access to Cadillac lyric for just a little bit more, that’s a very hard sell. Something tells me the Cadillac prices will increase to not cannibalize sales of the inferior blazer.
@ayushmalpeddi2793
@ayushmalpeddi2793 Жыл бұрын
Model Y without the 12-15K FSD package costs under 50K. Not sure why the Ioniq 5 or Blazer are winners here at all. I do think they are more luxurious but not necessarily better overall cars. Definitely not 10K better…
@scottw9771
@scottw9771 Жыл бұрын
If a car does not have Apple CarPlay, I will not buy it, period. I do not know why Chevy would shoot themselves in the foot like that. A big strategic error IMO.
@dnvrdab
@dnvrdab 6 ай бұрын
I like the Hyundai Ioniq 5 but living in CO I fell that I need a rear wiper
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