Charles C. Mann: 1492 Before and After

[@TheJ0hnryder]

Have to watch this for my APUSH summer assignment, anyone else have to do this?

[@chriskozlow4651]

Brm Johnryder I do as well...

[@thedollfacestudio]

+Brm Johnryder yup

[@amareharris2797]

us history to 1877 assignment

[@JaketheMCmaster]

WPHS ftw but 2 years later

[@elilichtblau3193]

lol

[@stanprager]

Brilliant. Everyone should read Mann's "1491." And now I am in the midst of his "1493." Very impressive multi-disciplinary blend of the latest science and history on a fascinating topic.

[@TheHelper-l9m]

Problem is -- and a big one- is he did not mention Aztecs eating their sacrificial human victims He only referred to the victims as sacrificed! 0:00

[@stanprager]

@@TheHelper-l9m I think everyone is aware that the Aztecs ate the hearts of the victims, a kind of exocannibalism; not sure why that is essential to the conversation or why Mann not mentioning every detail in the lecture is a "problem."

[@Dachero]

I'm in my middle age crisis, so i want to become an archaeologist!

[@lindadillon3061]

Same here! I read it is a desire to escape the real world and enjoy the past. Enjoy!

[@justinmodessa5444]

Amazing talk. Such a shame we haven't come to this proper view of American history sooner.

[@anonymouswriter5408]

Here are some questions I need answered: Why do you think Mann told the story of his 8th grade history textbook? What are the 3 key differences between modern scholarship and older scholarship on the Americas before Columbus? What was Tenochtitlan? How does Mann describe it? How does Mann describe indigenous civilizations pre-Columbus? How does Mann explain the difference between archeological maps and historical maps? What are his criticisms? Describe the picture Mann says should have been in his textbook. What is the Columbian Exchange (Alfred Crosby)? Why was it significant? Study The Interior of a Barn with People and Animals. Compare it to the Powahatan longhouse. A. What is similar? Key differences? What role did disease play in the Columbian Exchange and European colonization in the Americas? How did Indians on the East Coast manipulate their landscape and to what end? How did Europeans change the landscape? What was the Little Ice Age? How is that connected to the Columbian Exchange? (Pause 16:33) How does Mann make the case for Columbus as the origin of the Age of Globalization? Explain the significance of Potosi. Before Potosi, why was it difficult for Europeans to trade with Asia? Describe the world united by commerce, which Mann visually presents and describes. Pause to draw out and explain. According to Mann, how should we think about globalization? How did the potato change the world? How did globalization account for the potato famine in the 1840s? How did globalization alter Chinese history? How did the ecological changes contribute to China’s weakness by the 19th century? What are the consequences of the spread of malaria? Specifically, regarding slavery? When did Europeans become a real demographic presence on the continent? (min. 39) According to Mann, how should we think about the Age of Discovery/Exploration/Encounter? Mann highlights trade and the environment, but what themes are missing from his discussion? Why is it difficult to categorize globalization as either good or bad? Mann takes shots at China in this talk. What do we make of this? How do we deal with scholars whose work is intellectually sound but they say things that aren’t respectful? Dismiss? Address?

[@wuspatterwukd9104]

Dang you have to do a lot

[@jamesking1495]

Are you writing an essay? 🤨

[@brucewayne6446]

This is awesome, definitely my favorite author. I liked the question about contemporary natives and what they thought. His answer was so true, much respect to him. I dont think i'll read much of the physics books though lol

[@Edruezzi]

The most instructive sequence for reading these books is to start with Alfred Crosby and then Jared Diamond and then Charles Mann. I highly recommend that to the the kind of people who would throw these kind of books against the wall.

[@cafinario]

1491, his best book, a killer.

[@celsaprado4185]

Thank you for sharing your knowledge and research.

[@CrapMyDadMakesMeWatch]

Fantastic find. 7 years late. Thank you for this!

[@slimchance7748]

Right on - @ 41:48 - (Highland, WA state), I live about 2 miles from there. Great talk

[@HeavyK.]

This is my favorite history teacher so far.

[@ronaldseim1510]

Can somebody help me out here? When the speaker said "people" burned down the forest in the eastern woodlands, who was he talking about. The slide said "1492". Was he speaking of the indigenous people?

[@stanprager]

This is a great lecture worth watching more than once.

[@Walmart_Sandal]

And now his newest book The Wizard and the Prophet. Excellent book!!!

[@kathypiazza7228]

Wow, thank you!

[@ColieYeung]

bro said and i quote "unless you speak china." im chinese💀 29:44

[@5000Kone]

It sound like the slash and burn method they used in north america might be what we in Finland call deciduous forest lash and burn. When you slash and burn forest you have to let the trees go back, so that you get nutrients etc back. to the ground. Maybe the "parks" where just forest that waited to be old enough to be slash and burned again. After the you plant the crops what needs the most nutrients and next crop is what needs less. Normally you could harvest three crops, after that the nutrient level is was so low that you had let the forest grow back and wait about 30-40 years to do the slash and burn again. Still you could get up to 10 times more crops that if you would make just normal field and whit less work. Old finnish slah and burn video from 1937 kzbin.info/www/bejne/eH60lIurgL6dpNE

[@bobsanders3063]

4:46 in Chillicothe, Ohio we have Hopewell Culture National Historical Park with Indian mounds as well.

[@2001lextalionis]

wonderful talk

[@MrChannel19]

Excellent!

[@I-acuse]

Love it!!!

[@TheHelper-l9m]

ATTENTION!!! In his book "1491" he never mentions the Aztecs were cannibals. He only talks of them making sacrifice!!

[@stanprager]

Why are you obsessed with this and keep making this point? I think everyone is aware that the Aztecs ate the hearts of the victims, a kind of exocannibalism; not sure why that is essential to the conversation or why Mann not mentioning every detail in the lecture is a "problem."

[@cantstandya8250]

@@stanprager Maybe because it shows Mann's bias. He claims to be anti-PC, but he does censure himself a lot. And I say that as someone that has purchased and read two of his books, and loves his work.

[@stanprager]

@@cantstandya8250 No idea what point you are trying to make. 1491 and 1493 are fact-based studies. Neither have anything to do with politics or political correctness. Let's have a reasoned discussion here and not go down some sort of bizarre Elon Musk avenue

[@cantstandya8250]

@@stanprager I was just reinforcing his point. I think its in the first chapter of 1491 that Mann makes the claim that he is not being politically correct. But then he excludes facts that might make the indigenous appear more crude than he is while the White man is barbaric and unclean, saving his snot in a rag in his pocket. Musk has nothing to do with this, this isn't X. How do you feel about most of the central and south American monuments being completely rebuilt fabrications disguised as ancient monuments? Is that science? Or is that state funded propaganda for tourist money? Look at the before and after photos of place like Teotihuacan. Complete fabrications. Some of this just seams like Romanized revisionism, which is exactly what Mann claims to be against.

[@cantstandya8250]

@@stanprager I sent a reply but it seems that in typical KZbin fashion it was removed.

[@Rubenrebe]

As Aymara when I have chance to meet Charles Mann I will give my things for writing his research, 1491.

[@isoblah]

AMAZING!!!!

[@GoneCarnivore]

There are some points he makes about the forests in the eastern U.S. that i have shared with some forestry guys on Facebook and they were highly agitated with Manns view on it. Mindbllwing that some tree guys would be so triggered by this.

[@Edruezzi]

De Soto's expedition met a female ruler of a Native community who commented on an epidemic that swept through the area the year before.

[@stanprager]

No idea what you are trying to say with all the misspellings and random stream of consciousness ejaculations. I would suggest you read the book

[@JCResDoc94]

14:00 Amazin

[@tomgilfoyle6849]

I'm amused that one would contend that a people as advanced as Mann suggests would have as a motivation for burning their forested areas the desire to sneak up on their prey in their moccasins. And putting the lie to burning in the forests by pointing to lots of old trees also indicate one who didn't read the book- small low fires don't kill mature trees. Two quick points. One- sailors in the 1500s commented on the fires visible and the ash raining down in burning season; two- early European settlers/explorers commented on the large percentage of nut trees in the "primeval" forests. The "Indians" apparently practiced "agro-forestry," promoting the trees they wanted.

[@cesarflaviodiaz1439]

Orgullo de mi país

[@lisamartens-flood269]

From about 1790 to 1860 the slave population was about 50% of the total population in the US South. In the North about 20% in 1790 to between 1 and 10 % in 1860.

[@dabigpodina]

So my question is what happened? Because my wife and I's greatgrands, grandparents and parentscame from very large families. Whites historically have smaller families than non white populations.

[@lucascalia138]

Who else is from hunter?

[@ericchae7340]

me

[@maxwu5668]

hello luca

[@aaronsanchez4217]

The ancestor to the horse like many other animals originated in the Americas.

[@galanie]

He says a lot of funny things and the audience doesn't react at all. Humorless bunch. Also he's really perspiring. Maybe they are as hot as he is.

[@sinhukim7619]

Why do the audiences laugh even when speaker is seriously talking? I'm scared...

[@mrdavetail]

it's innocent - not to be taken the wrong way

[@konstantgus9208]

He is a funny man, he uses puns and irony that the audience "gets". He is an excellent communicator.

[@ojibberwe7079]

Because they see through him

[@freshfrosco594]

anyone got the answers to these questions? 1. How did the Columbian exchange lead to empire/state building in Europe and weaken China? 2. How did the Columbian exchange shift the balance of trade advantage to Europe? 3. How did the Columbian exchange lead to agricultural innovation worldwide that allows countries to feed a growing population? 4. How did the Columbian exchange do environmental harm?

[@AdventuRaven]

I do because I did the work like I was supposed to...

[@supermoneyballer1525]

@@AdventuRaven wow good for you!!!

[@supermoneyballer1525]

now slide the answers

[@yohei72]

Do you own fucking work.

[@wuspatterwukd9104]

@Fresh Frosco are u from FSB????

[@sticknstonesbrkbones]

13:40 Killing the insects was a byproduct and so was new vegetation. The real reason they burned the forest was to make it possible to silently walk, or stalk, up to prey animals. It was beneficial to have new growth to lure the animals in, and to kill the insects, but that was not why these hunters burned the leaf litter. Leaf litter is loud under foot, and every animal can hear you coming, if you eliminate the leaf litter then you can hunt better in a spot in stalk scenario.

[@MrChannel19]

The proof is in the DNA of the tribes that crossed the Beringian bridge is evident. Since these people are Native Americans (First Nations).

[@castlefactory8682]

Mr Hanbury anybody?

[@gavinharris1437]

who the hell are you its gavin

[@castlefactory8682]

Gavin Harris Chaze

[@gavinharris1437]

@@castlefactory8682 lol sup

[@natalie8214]

yeet

[@Luka98068]

Yup

[@deneenhill5913]

Advice about indigenous communities. There is generally three demographics: the traditionals holding on to what’s survived the genocide, the colonized and assimilated to western life (biggest group), and then there is the group who Float between the first two. So when you want ancestral knowledge, the traditionals are the only group that can give that, they are the keepers of the knowledge. Additionally, just one man is not the representative of the whole tribe of people and if you aren’t talking to women then your research is sorely incomplete and definitely limited by western ideology.

[@jvincent6548]

Slavery. Isn't it the most obnoxious notion? Was it really less noxious several centuries ago? I don't think so. People sacrifice their moral principles for economic gain. My grandmother was born in 1901. So, let's say her grandparents were born in 1800. That means slavery was alive and kicking with the entire disgusting apparatus only 5 generations ago. How odd to consider that cultural evolution on the one hand produces Bach, for example, and on the other produces slavery.

[@kbs5150]

This supposed to be a comedy skit?

[@jvincent6548]

potatoes are easier to farm in Europe than cereals....hence the popularity...

[@owenburns9053]

friends wya

[@wuspatterwukd9104]

FSB?????

[@dabigpodina]

First' I enjoyed the lecture and am glad to see you not afraid to contradict what has been taught, but at the 53:40 mark the woman asks about the "native indians " being sent to Africa. The explanation makes no sense. Why do scholars go out of their way to pretend Africans had not already been in the Americas before any European expeditions? What do you think of the Olmecs, or as they called themselves, the Xi?

[@WarisitaBoricua]

Have you read "They came before Columbus"? It talks about the evidence of the African presence b4 Columbus. I am reading it now.

[@PJ-777]

dabigpodina facts

[@jonasHM]

Yeah, nah

[@yohei72]

They're not "pretending" anything - there simply isn't much scientifically solid evidence for these claims.

[@henrywight4057]

This guy is one of the smartest people on the planet.

[@ojibberwe7079]

🤣🤣🤣

[@cvcal]

"la Historia es poliédrica y se enturbia en manos de necios y activistas", dijo alguien. La pregunta es, contra quién o contra qué escribe. Es decir a quién o a qué sirve. LA neutralidad no existe y la objetividad tampoco.

[@bbgr9239]

Jesus Christ loves you

[@richardouvrier3078]

pre-Columbian urbanity

[@ojibberwe7079]

Then the disease people came.

[@sandraleiva1633]

Americas? You mean America. There was a culture continuity along the entire American continent. The division occurred in the 1960's. So it's America and the people are Americans. Not the Europeans who appropriated the word to describe themselves.

[@malvus8506]

Are you actually retarded, there is a singular cultural continuity across the entirety of the old world as well, that has absolutely nothing to do with whether something's a continent or not. Did you actually think Europe, Africa and Asia have some magical walls preventing cultures from spilling beyond them?

[@gameshot586]

World Land area 140 000 000sqr/km divided by 6 500 000 000 = 0.02153..... right now each person has an average of 0.022sqr/km per person. Only about half of that is habitable. So it's actually around 0.011sqr/km per person. This is now, land is degrading, not getting better. Add another 3.5 billion people by 2050 and we are down to 0.014sqr/km per person, half that for usable land. 0.007sqr/km per person... This is imo the boogie man this clown world is hiding. Please if anyone does the numbers themselves, confirm this for others

[@legendarii6623]

9:20 corona virus

[@Xcerptshow]

3:40 A disingenuous comparison. He creates a strawman argument saying the population is down played in NA. He shows Indians in the desert of NA then compares it with a Mexican site in Central America that is known to be a large civilization. He is playing on the ignorance of the average viewer.

[@Marsandback12]

What are you saying bro? He is comparing Pre-Columbian America which includes both North and South America. His point wasn't to make a "strawman argument" about how many Native Americans there were, but rather to show the viewer that the way Native Americans (AMERICANS WITH AND S MEANING NORTH AND SOUTH) weren't these primitive, wild, savage people that history books and Europeans made them out to be. He's literally using Tenochtitlan and several, huge mound cities to show that these people were advanced, intelligent, and urbanised. His whole point isn't about population in that segment, it's about correcting the views of history books you nitiwt.

[@jillianduffy5]

i am being forced to watch this video for spanish and it might literally be the most boring thing ever.

[@michaelboshko8206]

That's odd

[@thiagodemelo9774]

Its very interesting, try enjoying the experience

[@yohei72]

What's your idea of "interesting"? An episode of "Keeping up with the Kardashians"?

[@ojibberwe7079]

Probably just not a fabricated, whitewashed version of history. History discussions are generally boring to listen to someone explain, but without facts, it's just some chomo making noise.

[@user-nd5pq5gs6n]

Bruh fuq dis apush assignment

[@durwinharris]

He was wrong about Horses, Horses are indigenous to the Americas

[@richardouvrier3078]

potato stabiliry

[@Dee777i]

Lie lies lies

[@sandraleiva1633]

This guy? The only reason you are speaking about this is because of THIS GUY. The only reason you exist is because of THIS GUY. 🙄

[@robertmelbourne8837]

Enough of the White lies..

[@jamesking1495]

You you to calm down Kangz 😐😑😐🤡

[@marsiyahsteeltrap6536]

Wrong. Ancestors of African Americans were seafaring traders and merchant since the earliest times. The Moors who resided in Europe and made it great colonized the Northern Hemisphere. We were in Europe before Columbus and the people who tortured and killed for the sea route maps.

[@swansonfamilyfarm6833]

White supremacy clouds a great deal of "science". Especially when we discussing Africans & there adventures west.

[@Chris-px6tj]

You are so right. They invaded Europe, captured Europeans, and sent them back as slaves. Guess you glossed over that part.

[@sandraleiva1633]

Indians? You mean Americans.

[@ojibberwe7079]

Don't disrespect us like that, we fuq outside our clan🤣🤣

[@elementalwar202]

How they got here? They followed a map made by the MOORS. How did they survive? We taught them how to farm and wash their ass.

[@jamesking1495]

Calm down mrKang 🤡

[@Ailsworth]

His primary vessel of bullshit is this: "previously believed." What an outstanding straw man this is! Notice he cited no quotation from any text or any person proclaiming the thing he thinks they believed. Why?