Could it be Munchausen syndrome? | Chicago Med

A young girl is admitted to the ED, but none of the doctors seem to understand what is wrong with her, could it be the Munchausen by Proxy syndrome?
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Season 05, Episode 17, The Ghosts of the Past,
Marking the series milestone 100th episode, Dr. Manning and Dr. Charles assist in a complicated case helping a 4-year old who they quickly learn is no stranger to the ED. Dr. Marcel and Dr. Choi tend to a police officer with a mysterious gunshot wound to the abdomen. Relationships are put to the test as secrets are revealed.
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[@kathrinbauer5358]

Dr Charles is the best publicity for psychiatry out there.

[@annatribe4244]

I never see male doctors or male anyone due to past trauma and abuse but Dr Charles seems so kind and caring and looks like a good listener. So he would be the exception to my rule because I think he would be able to help me.

[@mary-janereallynotsarah684]

I love him too. Lol when that woman was explaining what Munchausen by proxy means to him. 😆 like hello even the suspect knew what it is how about giving the hospital shrink some credit.

[@mrsmars9714]

fr

[@Jiji_here_431]

Man inspired me to become one

[@sairamr6886]

Psychiatry needs a tremendous rhetoric and genuine concern. Both of which are hard for me, I don't know how my colleagues felt about their psych rotations

[@Dragonraiser11]

When they took the oxygen off the kid, it was like asking my dad for help with my computer because something isn't working, only for it to work when he uses the computer.

[@yimwaili5425]

When they took the oxygen off the kid

[@yimwaili5425]

Use what oxygen mass

[@lizanna6390]

How do computers do that? Drives me crazy.

[@Dragonraiser11]

@@lizanna6390 yes thank you!!

[@angelicasmodel]

I used to do tech support. This happened so often. On the flip side, on a couple of occasions, I've taken my screaming daughter to the ER, who would cheer up as soon as the doctor came in, be sent away, and then she would start screaming as soon as we got back in the car. I had to make many different GP appointments to get taken seriously for that particular thing. It wasn't just me either. She'd get sent home from daycare sick.

[@Rat_Queen86]

PTSD does lead to hyper vigilance and she needs help. She seems worried, not manipulative

[@aliceramdom.s]

its a tv show

[@WikiiMomo]

@@aliceramdom.s a tv show with a comment section, she can still say what she wants and comment about the tvshow story

[@Vividlyforgotten]

@@aliceramdom.syou would be a fun guy at a party

[@chanyphilly8266]

@@aliceramdom.s People are entitled to share their opinion of a TV show, a play, an advert, a comic book...knowing it's fiction doesn't invalidate peoples views.

[@kinagrill]

most of what is shown is also based on real happenings and such.@@aliceramdom.s

[@Rainbowtaintedglasses]

I like that Dr Charles actually cares about finding out the real problem and giving the correct diagnosis. I had a feeling she was more anxious than making up the health problems but I thought they were going to say she had health anxiety directed towards her kid rather than herself. I think it's great they've done a PTSD storyline that's not centered around the typical causes that are usually shown - War, sexual assult, car crash. Those are of course important storylines to cover too but I've not seen a storyline about PTSD from childbirth before.

[@Min-e5]

I still can't hear people talk about childbirth without screaming to block it out (i do it internally sometimes. I swear Im not crazy).

[@isabellahalaufia84]

PTSD from childbirth usually goes undiagnosed but is very common, I luckily was one of the cases that was diagnosed within the first year of giving birth, I never knew about it either before hand

[@Rainbowtaintedglasses]

@@Min-e5 That doesn't sound crazy at all to me. I hope you get the support you need for your trauma, wishing you the best.

[@Rainbowtaintedglasses]

@@isabellahalaufia84 Yeah I can well believe that- that a lot of people have it and don't even know, I feel like it's got to be more common than is spoken about. I'm glad you were able to get the right diagnosis, I hope you have received the right support/treatment too.

[@holymotherofgod4983]

I have ptsd from vomiting. I have emetophobia and haven't been able to eat a normal diet since. I don't go outside and don't eat outside on the rare occasion that I do leave the house. I am living in constant fear and I appreciate ptsd being presented so well. I appreciate the knowledge and care that goes into this show so much

[@alex.purcell14]

I feel like as a paediatrician she should know that childbirth is very traumatic on its own let alone with a premature baby

[@lukaniamoon2029]

nvm got the wrong person LMAO

[@8bennaboo]

It's not supposed to be traumatic. Intense, even painful, yes.

[@xstrangew0rld]

@@8bennaboo and who are you to decide what childbirth is 'supposed' to be like?

[@8bennaboo]

@@xstrangew0rld No one, really. Just someone with an interest. But what I mean is when people report trauma in childbirth, it is most often related to how they were cared for.

[@djm7494]

It was this person in particular - a subjective unethical person. She was very set on having the child taken away rather than contemplating all options! Very subjective opinion and sadly there are plenty of healthcare workers who are the same (in my experience)

[@mischiefmanagedxx592]

"Come on PTSD from what?" The lack of empathy. Genuinely just listening and being a doctor you should know what PTSD can cause a person, especially a mother who went through an extremely traumatizing birth, to do.

[@machazychaz]

"When that little girl comes back injured - and she will - thats on you" was it for me. Like yes abuse has many faces, but as of now the only bad thing that happened to the girl is the limitation of being on oxygen. If she was making her child sick, her child would be sick. They can't find symptoms because there's no damage. I've seen the type of baby she's talking about, they can fit in your hands, the heart isn't fully developed, the skin isn't hard enough to be touched without utmost care... it's insane to think they could survive and grow to be without issue.

[@glittery8862]

@@machazychaz To be fair, children can absolutely be damaged emotionally from their parents' constant worry. My mother was a traumatized hypochondriac who brought me to the ER nearly every weekend - for mild headaches, an oncoming ear infection or pain in my joints. I had no allergies or known health issues that would've warranted the worry and overreactions. I wasn't allowed to rest - it had to be the ER, even if it was 10PM. It was a weekly ordeal that eventually led me to suppress pain or discomfort for the fear of my mother going crazy over it. I grew up completely unaware of my bodily needs, how to relax or how to take a rest and definitely took forth emotional damage from it. I'm aware this and my case aren't quite the same, but just because it's not Munchhausen and the mother had a traumatizing experience that justifies her actions doesn't mean it doesn't have real consequences - don't underestimate the effects parents' behavior has on children!

[@machazychaz]

@@glittery8862 it wasn't worded perfectly. I absolutely agree with you. The mother's feelings while understandable have caused her child to miss out on a lot of time, like not playing a lot with other kids and outside (with the oxygen tank). Both the child and mother clearly require outside help but the doctor implied the mother had malicious intentions and was consciously causing the symptoms. That upset me and my wording was overly dismissive. I cannot speak on your situation other than that i believe you and hope you are well.

[@aliceramdom.s]

its a tv show

[@mischiefmanagedxx592]

@@aliceramdom.s yeah true but people are actually like that in real life. There are so many doctors like that specifically where I am. Lol I feel if they were to do anything about it there would be no more doctors 😂😂

[@OptimizedOptimism]

Dr Charles is the embodiment of a wise Jedi, doesn't take anything for face value and goes further outside the box of traditional thinking that is required. Whenever Charles shows up, I know that my guy is gonna knock it out of the ballpark.

[@kpaxian6044]

This seems more like the mother is a hypochondriac than a Munchausen by Proxy diagnosis. Since her tests are coming back normal...it indicates the mum has anxiety about something being wrong but has not done anything to make her daughter sick. Totally different motivation. The first is linked to anxiety and the second (Munchausen) is driven by a variety of issues but not actual concern about the child being sick. More...they enjoy the attention of having their child sick and getting sympathy but they don't actually worry about their child being sick otherwise. It's odd that so many doctors would have assumed this was Munchausen when the motivations are so different.

[@danika9411]

Yes, because they don't take the time to actually look at what's going on. And often sadly don't have the time, are understaffed and overworked. Muchhausen is also linked to low levels of emotional empathy and narcissitic personality disorder.

[@melissaharris3389]

Yeah. The mother was displaying severe anxiety, not the maniputive, controlling, or attention seeking behaviors that would be found in Munchausen by proxy.

[@valynteena]

Exactly plus she wasn't making her daughter sick. A real case of Munchausen would involve the parent making the child sick, for the to land in hospital and be actually treated.

[@mihikadeo]

Can we just talk about how adorable that lil girl is I mean her eyes OMG 🥺🥺

[@aliceramdom.s]

its a tv show

[@vaporeonxglaceon]

@@aliceramdom.s and it being a TV show has to do with a girl being adorable how? sure its for the effect to gain sympathy. but that still dont take away from the fact that she is indeed. Adorable

[@Tyler_Mills26]

You could see that it wasn't MBP! When they couldn't find anything wrong with the daughter she didn't make it out like "oh my daughter is so I'll poor me" she just wanted to get to the bottom of her daughter's illness (which we now know she doesn't have). Why was this poor woman not offered counselling? She had a very traumatic birth and no one thought "maybe this could impact her just a little bit!" Idiots!

[@crem-crem4070]

This is actually how so many parents with MBP act, they focus on their child so they get sympathy from others. They always seem like good parents until it’s revealed they aren’t

[@aliceramdom.s]

its a tv show

[@whatwhatwhatttttt]

@@aliceramdom.sOH REALLY?? We didn't know!! idiotic comment.

[@dmf1301]

Because women are expected to be able to handle whatever life throws at us - and with a smile, too. We aren't allowed to ask for help, because 'you got this.' :(

[@liliumpartilum]

They have to consider about mbps even there is one percent possibility of child abuse. Sometimes mbp might not look so evil but look like they just care their child

[@TheBaileyandashlyn]

Dr. Charles out here giving us mentally ill people hope when it comes to getting help. ❤❤

[@Xx_HeXXie_xX]

the lack of empathy from that doctor is appalling, jfc. I have ptsd from taking care of my dying mother for nearly a year. I'd tiptoe by her bed whenever she was asleep, and wait just to see if she was still breathing and hadn't passed away in her sleep. I still do this now, to both my roommate and my cat, just to ease the fear of losing another loved one, like :( the mother seemed genuinely worried for her daughter, not like she was trying to gain sympathy.

[@valynteena]

You are right because if not, she would not have easily given her consent for the oxygen to be taken off. I have seen parents on this show ready to watch their kids die instead of giving consent.

[@deniseshephard3347]

This show is a fine example of how to approach mental health

[@aliceramdom.s]

its a tv show

[@deniseshephard3347]

@@aliceramdom.s I no but it’s a examples of what could happen if things get out of hand

[@showerspawnthemanlyman437]

@@aliceramdom.s that doesn’t make it any less of a good example what ? 💀💀

[@mmg8830]

I'm in my first semester of med school ad it's exciting understanding what i see! Love this show

[@SliceofBread123]

That’s amazing! I can relate being in law school and watching suits 🤣 good luck!

[@i.I.j]

Mom: she has trouble breathing Child: breathes normally

[@lectora3592]

I feel like the paediatrician might have ignore or just didn't identify an abusive mother not so long ago, then maybe the kid died and now she feel guilty. So the paediatrician now see abuse on everything and is, ironically, in an state of hipervigilanty.

[@karanhdream]

Sure the paediatrician here was kind of narrow minded but I can also see things from her side. Staying with a biological parent is not always what's best for a child. Doctors probably see situations like that where children remain with people who aren't fit to raise them, and it must be infuriating to feel so powerless.

[@Blitzkit]

but she must know PTSD can be from childbirth. the fact that she still thinks the woman is unfit to take care of the child. "you are wrong" basically all I need that she's in fact narrow minded. she's basically arguing with a psychiatrist, the HEAD of psychiatry in their hospital.

[@madprops7295]

As someone with Factitious Disorder (Munchausen Syndrome imposed on self), I’m always.. basically uncomfy with how TV shows describe or depict FD. Chicago MD is one of the few shows that I think described the condition well. Many of it stems from hypervigalence, a need to make sure things are right and it can cross over into getting validation or assurance. It isn’t always with some kind of evil intent or with the intent to hurt, as it if often shown in dramas or through news coverage

[@Justice237]

The distinction with Munchausens or MSbP is that it’s believed that the sufferer is trying to gain sympathy and attention from medical professionals and/or the people around them. What you describe isn’t like that necessarily, and it’s not the case with this mother either. What she’s going through is more like Vulnerable Child Syndrome, where a child who either was or is very very sick is believed to still be sick or fragile, leading to hypervigilance

[@gregjenkinson7512]

I think it's worth pointing out that Dr Charles said the mom *didn't* have Munchausen, proxy or otherwise. He said she had PTSD which is causing the hyper vigilance

[@liliumpartilum]

Gotta admit that I’ve never seen someone accepting they’re hurting themselves on purpose to attract others attention

[@theoneandonlyK]

I think Dr Strauss is the perfect example of 'pick your specialist, pick your diagnosis'

[@JA268]

This is a first for me about M.B.P. I just came across this out of curiosity. And I'm GLAD I'm past childbearing. I never knew birth could be traumatizing.

[@natashawest8918]

I had my daughter at 23+6 weeks pregnant and she died at 20 days coz of medical negligence.. my doctor now thinks I suffer from complex PTSD 😢

[@annied1827]

I'm so sorry for your loss 😢. My daughter was born at 26 weeks and she was given less than 5% chance of survival. She died 3 times !! However she was very lucky and came out the other side. Because of this i do kind of understand what you went through all of that worry and stress etc of having a very premature baby. I'm just so sorry our daughters stories end totally differently even when the odds were against them from the start. I'm not sure what cause of negligence your daughter went through and I can't imagine the pain and trauma you went through because of it. But I truly hope you do receive the best support they can offer you to help you through this 😢

[@grandmastermario3695]

Isn't that only 1 traumatic event

[@rdm1702]

2 annoying things on this episode: 1. Dr. Charles' daughter 2. That nurse who feels like she's 100% right than a psychiatrist who knows better than people's behaviour. So self-righteous. This reminds me of Take care, Maya on Netflix. The mother killed herself because the hospital and doctors accused her of abusing her child when she never did anything to harm her or fake symptoms or create illnesses for Maya. It turns out the hospital had a scam of constantly accusing parents of Munchhausen by proxy for insurance fraud. It wasn't 100% proved because they are pro scammers but Maya and her family are not the only one who came forward. The mom killed herself because they took her daughter away and she couldn't even talk to her with supervision, couldn't see her, and couldn't even hug her during the court trials! It's so wild and very infuriating.

[@sofiamastroiacovo7441]

Doctor Charles is so right about everything in this video and the nurse was treateding the kid mother what the hall she was doing I will say a report about the nurse was treateding the mother. This mother know what is she going through I understand it a lot. Doctor Charlies did not say you are fire girl do not need saying in the hospital need more.

[@Lemontarts01]

You dont speak very good english so you have even lesser grasp on laws and how threatening works If you're abusive, which she looked like or at least odd and weird. You are required to call social services. Which can be perceived as a threat, but it isn't.

[@sofiamastroiacovo7441]

@@Lemontarts01 are serious about this I am so right about this I know everything about threatening you do not know exactly you are saying to please snap out at it please think God you need to say that again say it to my face hope you like it or not.

[@joyts358]

@@sofiamastroiacovo7441 I hope for your sake that you have your own Dr. Charles. You might need to see him to help you through whatever you're going through right now. 🙏

[@sofiamastroiacovo7441]

@@joyts358 thank so much and yas of course I need to see doctor Charles when I am going through right because my best friend is a big bully she called me names we also have arguments as well this I need to tell doctor Charles about this and he will toattly help me for everything.

[@twiceshy9773]

??

[@M-Mwa]

I've taken my youngest son to the hospital twice when he was a toddler because he is a total risk taker. Both times I was do hesitant because I was terrified they'd just assume abuse and report me...

[@cchan4739]

Umm let me just say... I don't think doctor's speak like that to their counterparts. Not unprofessional like that. This is over dramatized.

[@haydenmatthew207]

Hater

[@clo204]

It’s not supposed to be super realistic it’s a drama show

[@1995robin]

I know right it's like it's a drama show

[@me-oh9du]

Of course it's over dramatic because it's a drama, it is a show

[@emoollinii]

actually, it kinda is. literally when the parents aren’t there, the doctors yell and argue at each other like children, it’s super childish and unprofessional, not like you’d imagine

[@southsudani983]

this is why i never expressed my emotions to my drs / midwives while pregnant lol i felt like they were accessing how capable i would be as a mother

[@altheazhenyaclaud7390]

There will always be nonverbal cues they will pick up on. They're trained that way.

[@southsudani983]

@@altheazhenyaclaud7390 i know but i was always ahead .. they really tried me . if anything it frustrated me but my child is almost a year and don’t have to deal with their stress now lol

[@aliceramdom.s]

its a tv show not real

[@southsudani983]

@@aliceramdom.s yes but it does happen.i experienced it

[@marieklenke2916]

@@southsudani983 you are showing extremly dangerous behavior!!

[@caxtonuniversitylecture6893]

Come-on, it's time to Start Chicago Psych with Dr. Charles and Dr. Reese.

[@LittleKitty22]

This is why some people won't have children: each time a child is sick, doctors claim it's child abuse. In the meantime, kids that are really being abused, get ignored.

[@bros3602]

I really don't know how many people are worried specifically about doctors accusing them of child abuse... that sounds really niche

[@ssansu]

That's quite the generalization.

[@LittleKitty22]

@@foolishlyfoolhardy6004 Interesting how you know better than I do what happened to me! Strange, I can't remember having children, can't remember anything like this happening to me either. But of course, an armchair wannabe psychologist like you knows so much better than I do what's happening in my life, absolutely! Oh and everybody in the system is so wellmeaning of course, yup that's why all the kids in care gets sold off to the grooming gangs in the UK, absolutely. Don't you realize how pathetic your comment is...?

[@A5H_01]

Some doctors are hella evil. I wish we didn't have this black & white mindset about the medical industry.

[@JohnCooper-gm6mn]

It's a TV show... it's fictional. 🙄

[@hasina.matonwal]

The little girl is super cutee

[@shanessabrown3845]

right!

[@kaboomsihal1164]

Lmao they're acting like taking off a nasal cannula is like extubating. Gotta love those overdramatizations. Like she's fine on a cannula but sure, perfectly reasonable to expect or to instantly keel over without it lol.

[@Lemontarts01]

Bro. They weren't acting. The mother presented a tense situation. They woulda been less dramatic if she wasn't dumb

[@kaboomsihal1164]

@@Lemontarts01 they... weren't acting? You think this is a fucking real life documentary?

[@Angel36930]

🤣🤣 ikr still the tension was palpable whether the mom was right or wrong

[@pamelawhitelaw1458]

It's television not real life

[@Axolotleditzz]

Love this show a lot

[@joaquinchoque1452]

Good for You

[@Aroundtheworld-ui9ci]

Me too .... love it

[@Aroundtheworld-ui9ci]

Btw who's ur favorite character???

[@ann5986]

I don't want to be negative, but I think Sharon's role is exaggerated, Head of Patient and Medical Services like you say we say Nursing Director in Europe, have no business in such cases, here should have been the Medical and Ethics Director or whatever else you call this role in US. It often seems to me that she has the role and attributes of a Hospital Dean of Medicine, but the character is a nurse, it's not very realistic at least in my European perspective I don't know US regulations but can't be so different.

[@redmondpeters6221]

She was helpful for warning them but I think they have no need to worry.

[@codyarmstrong8428]

Jesus that woman is so fucking traumatized. She needs counseling

[@tearlesereph]

She's just on regular oxygen via nasal prongs, if anything goes wrong it's not going to happen within the seconds the tubes are off....

[@alishalegrand6139]

I can’t happen a PTSD she gave birth to a extremely premature baby she was fearful she thought oh my God oh my God she’s gonna die she’s gonna die she’s gonna die and now that’s something she fears all the time PTSD isn’t just from going into war and experiencing war PTSD can be caused by so many other things so many other traumas can cause PTSD the onset of PTSD a lot of people think of PTSD is just for people who is served in the war in veterans are the only ones that get it but it’s not

[@ayodhyananayakkarawasam3907]

Lmao, that pediatric doc thinks child care system is better for the kid than her own helicopter mom?

[@alitoufaily7791]

The presentation is more consistent with Vulnerable child syndrome than Munchausen by proxy; especially with the history of possibly losing a child to an illness. Very easily confused differentials.

[@aliceramdom.s]

its a tv show

[@yushi911]

I have to admit I admire a lot Sheryl calm and very good on communicating her decision. Does not often please everyone, but she manage that also. I try too hard to pleased everyone 😄

[@brooklynconnell1803]

When the little girl says " mommy" while shes in the hospital and the mum turns around and says its ok mommys ok honey. That was my red flag right there

[@Luna_moon_1127]

I’m sorry, but I love that Dr. Charles made that lady feel like an idiot. It’s true that not every single time it equals abuse. There is another episode of Chicago med where a girl had a disease that was causing her to lose part of her hearing and had brittle bones, but they thought the Dad was abusing her because of the scans and x-rays while I do agree abuse is something that should be taken seriously. Mindy literally was not scared of her mom and wanted to be with her mom the only thing she seemed scared of was being in the hospital, which is understandable for a young child. I remember being five or six and not like and going to the hospital. Honestly, the peds doctor is really fucking stupid. She just immediately assumed that this lady was abusing her daughter All agree that the Mom’s behaviour was a bit odd but I never saw anything that pointed to abuse. She just seemed a little over concerns and to me that equal anxiety I figured maybe Mindy was sick in the past and she’s just anxious that she’s gonna get sick again but what Dr. Charles says makes a lot of sense. Mindy almost died as a premature baby so the Mom is extra hyper vigilant because she doesn’t want anything to happen to her when she almost lost her at birth. Well I have a fear of pregnancy, and I’m never going to be pregnant. I can understand for other women how this would feel.

[@lolly5657]

I am undiagnosed but I do believe I did have some trauma post birth. Resulted in loss of 2litres of blood. I was not my usual self for nearly a year. Emotional flip flops. Just felt wrong. And then a year later the first day I felt myself again I had abdominal pain. Sent to the er for kidney stones. Found out I was pregnant while in the er, we all knew I had an ectopic pregnancy. But, I was kept from Monday to Thursday waiting for an ultrasound. I wasn't presenting as an ectopic as I have a high pain threshold. Even after I started bleeding it took to ultrasounds to realise... Ohhh she's bleeding internally, that tube is ruptured. Rush to surgery. God bless the doctor who sent me to the er in the first place though and the second ultrasound technician, she was amazing. But following year I was worse.... Way worse. But started therapy and feel like a brand new person.

[@aliceramdom.s]

its a tv show

[@tiredatm3009]

@@aliceramdom.s why do you feel the need to comment that everywhere?

[@mrsgamer9218]

*hugs* i know exactly how you feel. Had a very traumatic pregnancy and post pregnancy. I almost bled to death and my newborn almost died of a long infection. It took me 2 years to get over everything, but on weak days i have it bad. My daughter now has bad lungs and the common cold always affects her lungs in a bad way. Still, shes now a happy 5 year old girl. She'll never be an athlete thanks to her lungs but shes alive and happy.

[@joannegregory3024]

I feel the same….. my first labor ar 19 was very quick with no pain relief, however after 2 hrs of pushing he was stuck, first they tried suction, there was a student doctor and the senior Dr wanted them to try so he showed them what to do and they tried several times, no pain relief, after 20 mins they suddenly decided forceps, so i was cut and then has a incredibly painful forceps delivery, in total i had 2/3 midwives and 2 male doctors all with their hands in me at some point, i felt butchered and abused, they just acted like i wasnt there, i had alot of stitching as big cut, i was traumatised for months afterwards. I had post natal depression it was horrendous

[@innag6888]

she was actually smirking when talking about separating the mother from her daughter

[@gamergirlsara7565]

Ahhh I love your vids you have also liked my comment from other vids love use I have just finished watching all Chicago med on Netflix ❤️

[@tenessathompson-hardy1717]

That doctor... ptsd from what? So you personally know this mom n child?? U talk about just wanting to rip a mom n daughtrt apart. Gross

[@gxvove]

Love these short videos

[@theannonymous]

Gee! specialist Doctors are very egotistic based on watching these shows. Easily offended when their (probably wrong) diagnosis is countered by another specialist.

[@xxsunshiinexx1483]

Ok but apart from the storyline this is girl SO FREAKING CUTE 🥹

[@rustyhowe3907]

Ikr? Especially with that squeaky little voice.

[@johncaincain4008]

Yes because I had it and I went through all that

[@Annaluiza-zp2pf]

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[@mamatoization]

Anna Belknap! Loved her in CSI: NY 💙

[@A5H_01]

Oh gosh, I was looking at my CSI NY DVD set by my TV trying to figure out if it was her!

[@SKMedia252]

been looking for comments to see who else recognised her. very happy 😁

[@anouskaclarke1058]

I was looking for this comment!

[@cleo8332]

hey it's Lindsey from CSI: New York and a some point in another episode the guy who played Danny will turn up. good to see them again🙂

[@Jorindeify]

She's so pretty, the little girl Mindy.

[@Annaluiza-zp2pf]

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[@purpledevilr7463]

Haven’t watched this all yet. After that abuse potential point. I reckon it’s the child who’s faking it for attention, not the parent.

[@danika9411]

It's not that bad at all. You can safely watch. Spoiler: The mother has ptsd from the birth and is overly anxious. There is no abuse, the pediatrician from the other hospital read it that way though. She was a born at 24 weeks and it was a traumatizing pregnancy and birth. Her daughter didn't breath when she was born and was on machines for a long time.

[@Luna_moon_1127]

4:18 this right here is a dead giveaway. If Mindy was being abused by her mom, she would’ve looked to her nervously and immediately begun acting as if it was in trouble from her mom, but Mindy was a little unsure, but she did eventually shake her head. No, it’s not hard to breathe. She had no problem, telling the truth which indicates to me that she’s not being abused if a child is being abused, especially Munchausen by proxy most of the time if they do something like this, the child will end up faking because they’re worried how their parent will react after the doctors leave i’ve heard about it several times in true crime documentaries

[@trishannapersaud3053]

This is similar to my birth story of my child. I was diagnosed with PTSD after my child was born and I was blessed to have great doctors around me to see it early on.

[@Angel36930]

To be honest.....coming from a nicu background if shes been getting oxygen at constant 100% sats when she doesnt need it....it can be damaging to the blood vessels in her eyes...meaning its a miracle she isnt blind rn given itd been 4yrs on oxygen thats not needed...

[@lisamedz]

I met a mother with the syndrome on my peds rotation. it was mind blowing. The childs symptoms were pain in the legs so hard that she couldnt walk anymore, some coughing and low fever. we were all trying to figure out her diagnosis, the doctor gave us her lab reports too but we couldnt figure it out.. 2 hours later he told us the mother has Munchausen syndrome. the doctor told us that they were suspicious of it the moment the CK wasnt elevated in the slightest and that the child sympotms were worst when the mother was next to her doing the examination cuz she was always like : it hurts bad doesnt it baby. but the moment the mother left the room the symptoms disapeared too. It turned out that the mother and her husband were going through a divorce and she was trying to get his attention. I may not sound that wow but to see this syndrome on someone is really something you dont forget.

[@AmirysMewen]

Manning was right and wrong to believe her She was wrong to believe the mothers story but she was right to believe that the mother wasn’t abusive (at least not intentionally)

[@tazisayshi]

Whether it's intentional or not, it's still abusive. What's hard to believe? If the child is being red-flagged for continuously showing up at hospitals, there must be some merit to that. Like the Doctor said in the end, if the child shows up again at the hospital injured or even sicker, that's on those doctors, who literally could not see the bigger picture.

[@writerinprogress]

Okay, NOW I'm wondering what that paediatrician's agenda is!

[@creatip123]

Good acting on the mother

[@tauhid9983]

besides there's no sign of abuse Idk why they keep assuming there is

[@nadjak3410]

Dragging your Perfectly healthy child into the hospital every other week is kinda abusive, even though it's not intentional. If the mother doesn't get help/treatment, she could give her daughter PTSD and health anxiety as well.

[@drkatbun8566]

Cause she kept giving her daughter medications, she does not need and keeps bringing her to different hospitals after they raised concerns that the kid is fine and there’s no need to medicate her so much

[@ajbhuiyan4589]

8:07 Dr Charles as the psychiatrist I'm on his side and Dr Manning

[@clicky1996]

If she didn’t need the oxygen, she would have symptoms like headaches and an irregular heartbeat from over oxygenation.

[@Justice237]

Maybe she was having headaches and the mother took that as another sign that something was wrong and to keep taking her to doctors

[@merlosastar5900]

True

[@keisukesakamori]

ptsd does lead to anxiety symptoms, hyperbolic, paranoia especially when they are near something that cause it in this case is when she is near her child and that is like 24 hour 7 days a week so yeah it makes sense

[@DanDCool]

1:44 i was already tricked Ig can't blame the staff who believed the liar mom till the girl died- Edit: [oh well i had a plot in my mind so like they discover it so idk a and k now she legit- Edit: 1149 oh- oh his daughter-²

[@Someone-vp5kg]

How was the mother alive?!?! Edit:I'm asking that question because she says that she doesn't sleep and the theoretical maximum amount of days you can go without sleep is 11 days

[@sineadduffy8253]

is she all right

[@smiley6551]

I guess idk in the series but in real life ofc

[@katjasjoberg750]

I don't know if it is so good that hospitals are warned if a parent comes in with their child even if they have sought care often. What if the parent thinks that. "I don't dare take my child to the emergency room, then they will take my child away from me" And sometimes it can be really urgent and the mother doesn't go in and the child dies And one more thing that besservisser can't admit she's wrong she can't think outside the box. Dr. Natalie Manning, Dr. Daniel Harles and Sharon Goodwin. thinking outside the box

[@kinagrill]

so hypercondriac by proxy basically? seeing every little thing as a major medical problem but for someone else, not herself.

[@India.H]

This is called Health Anxiety by proxy, not Hyperchondria by proxy. Hyperchondria is the stress that you have a serious health issue, eg. a form of cancer that is difficult to cure. Health anxiety by proxy is where you stress overly about *other's* health, more overly about the small, everyday things being something much bigger, for example your daughter doing a small sneeze meaning she has flu.

[@hunterthejokethegamerandst5567]

What was with that doctor who wanted to get DCFS? They clearly showed proof of the PTSD and hyper-vigilance but she seemed to Adamant about it being “You know what”. I get you should be worried but you should be open minded go accept every possibly whether it is what you think or if it’s not what you think.

[@gene5148]

I was thinking the same thing

[@hunterthejokethegamerandst5567]

@@gene5148 right? It may not always be what you think initially. And again? being open-minded means you got to see every possibility. Even if that Doctor was right, her Ego is gonna get bigger.

[@StrangerThings_YT]

7:34 she just wants that her child is taking away

[@sup9441]

...OK, but PTSD doesn't suddenly excuse her from being a bad parent? Pumping all that oxygen can't be good for her lung development, and all those hospital visits must be traumatic.

[@danika9411]

But ptsd is treatable and now once she understands it's her ptsd it actually can go uphill really quickly. I was taken out of my family for something minor and put into a childrenshome. I have c-ptsd until today. Not from my family, from the childrenshome, that was abusive. But generally most if not all children in childrenshomes suffer from ptsd at least from the removal from the family. You lose everything in that moment, your home, the people you love, you change school, you loose friends ect. And the worst: uncertainty. You don't know when and if you ever can go back home. It's terrible. It just feels as if your whole world is crushing down on you. I think sometimes people don't understand what you go through if that actually happens to you.

[@tazisayshi]

@@danika9411 You are literally excusing being a bad parent due to their mental illness. There are countless mothers, fathers, siblings, people with mental disorders who can have functional life's and families, that doesn't excuse the abusive behavior.

[@kamarani9393]

Why is sound more pitched than full episode on streaming service

[@ememem2952]

i actually love dr charles so much

[@irere0148]

Love this show

[@jojolewis8180]

Others: Talking stuff relevant Me: THE CHILD IS SO FRICKIN CUTE

[@LLH5225]

In my family, the suspicion ( munchausen by proxy) was made prematurely, for months and now the result came out negative(‼️).

[@Lburt07]

What happened next with the girl and the mother?

[@Annaluiza-zp2pf]

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[@dntm123]

Does anyone know if this episode ended well? Or does it unfortunately end with the other doctor being at least partially right in end? You don't make a character that unlikable unless it comes back around in one way or the other.

[@cormacmacaongusa]

2:45 that response says it all

[@sonjahonkamaki3408]

Well done, not. That wacko is surely gonna end up killing her daughter.... i thought that they were thinking what's best for the child, sadly i was wrong.

[@SpawnF]

Dr Charles is a Dr yoda

[@elizabethbath5080]

My husband and I had SS called on us by the Dr's in the Emergency room who didn't read our daughters notes of having OI and EDS. They accused us of this but thankfully her pediatrician and school knew the truth and defended us. The Emergency dr left the childrens department straight after.

[@Willzb-xk4ew]

Why do i feel like that lady has some agenda against the mother

[@Asmodeus-FizzarolliFan]

same

[@heart.9889]

How does this case end?

[@shemarofficial5884]

Chicago pd is the best move

[@salh9276]

Okay umm dr Charles daughter interrupting like that was just pointless and random, even the one liner … like why 🤦‍♀️

[@Katy63100]

Right.. I gave birth to a premie.. it was traumatic, she was tiny and she is now very disabled and has a lot of health issue.. life gets tough sometimes but I sleep just fine.. we humans are more resilient than that!

[@Annaluiza-zp2pf]

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[@brookeferguson5301]

I was pregnant with ethan for awhile now when I got sick for my first pregnancy test results for more professional health care condition for health pregnancy treatment for severe swelling is required for serious sezirue treatment for it

[@FullTimePatient37]

Eeee KEPPRA 😬😬😬😬😬

[@alishalegrand6139]

Dr. Charles could be correct you don’t know if she’s going to come back severely injured because he could be correct PTSD is easy to treat and PTSD is easy to get on the proper medication to deal with it’s very very easy she’ll have to go to the mother will have to go through therapy and things like that and beyond special medication but it is very easy to control in to get under control

[@SonarTheBat]

Seems more hypochondria by proxy if that exists.

[@SonarTheBat]

Oh hey it does exist.

[@gdtestqueen]

My parents were accused of MBP through most of my childhood. When doctors couldn’t figure out my symptoms they went straight to Munchousen…either I was faking or my parents were. We had multiple pshyc evaluations and each time were cleared with the recommendation to doctors to look harder for physical cause. It took 18 years until doctors finally diagnosed it as brain damage from birth. As it was caused by doctor error, no one would diagnose it until I could no longer sue. But the trauma those years of being doubted left me with is extreme. Munchousen is horrible…but so is being falsely accused of it. When they showed the mother’s reaction to being told all the tests were negative…I felt that. It’s a unique and terrible feeling to want the tests to show something wrong, just so someone will believe you and do something, help you. This mother was so traumatized she saw things that weren’t there and truly believed something terrible was wrong.

[@kamarvika]

I hear similar case like this on forensic files episode

[@brookeferguson5301]

I was pregnant with ethan in a hospital for an hour test results for a week since I personally have been giving birth for long long time ago short story short

[@rowanconvel5492]

i really dont get why that doctor was so insistant that she had munchausen even when she got an oppinion whos a proffessonal in that field she was still so instistant