China Pole Lap 2024 vs 2019 - Verstappen vs Bottas

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[@yelistener]

F1 Maximum Power Map - RB20 in China Q3: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eJrPkHhjZ919b9k

[@junkiexl86]

Party Mode

[@tails55011]

F1's ultimate goal: "Use V1 50CC fuel+elec+hydro+nuclear+antimatter engine, to beat Monza's lap record!"

[@eliasgill2453]

By that time the minimum weight will be like 2000kg

[@jakodel3202]

​​​​@@eliasgill2453and it still won't beat the lap record trom the old hybrid era. 2 seconds slower than 2019, which was in turn slower than 2020 but they didn't race in china. Innovation my ass FIA. nvm, 2018 was 31.0. lmao, great job fia

[@aquatic4425]

tesla engine or perpetuum engine 🤣

[@pollemar]

50 cc with 25k RPM

[@jurekgadzinowski2895]

@@pollemar Not really. If anything the rev limiter gets lower and lower. The V10 cars of the late 90s and 2000s had about 19k rpm, V8 cars of 2006 had 20k rpm, then it was slightly below 19k in 2007 and 2008. Then it went to about 18k in the latter years of the V8 era. The 2014-2021 V6 hybrid ones revved no higher than 15k and from 2022 onwards it is below 13k rpm.

[@corpsecoder_nw6746]

Impressive how quickly the W10 changed direction in the slow corners......if only it were lighter, had some exhaust-blown aero and the tire compound selection was softer.....it would be nuts.....

[@michis1890]

yeah true, but If there would be no rules in developement, the cars would so fast that it would be impossible to drive for a human

[@williamhobbs4202]

Nah it’s crazy how shit the 2024 cars are in slow corners but are immense in fast ones, even despite how heavy they are

[@IIssac-hk9ks]

did u see the description 0:14 ? you obviously didn't

[@Blue_Monkey]

@@IIssac-hk9ks Classic confirmation bias ...

[@mudtennis9842]

maybe read next time

[@user-bb6ht8ro7g]

@@IIssac-hk9ks such difference in speed cannot be solely blamed to track conditions.Thruth is 2024 cars are much heavier and have smaller tyre sidewalls which make them lose a lot in mechanical grip and therefore slow corners whereas the ground effect floor gives them big amounts of downforce in highspeed corners where they can match the 2019 cars

[@ayato3448]

@@IIssac-hk9ks so what? the 19, 20 and 21 cars still best

[@pawekam2714]

Give us Alonso and Stroll comparison again, like in Japan.

[@TheJokerit19]

I agree, although Ricciardo-Tsunoda is even more fitting for this event.

[@pawekam2714]

@@TheJokerit19 right 👍

[@FredDufresne]

Now that you mention it, I just want more same team same year comparisons. VER vs PER, LEC vs SAI, HAM vs RUS, etc.

[@gggo778]

Exhaust mic🔥🔥🔥

[@yogishnn1945]

As Max mentioned, the new cars feel like a boat in slower corners and would prefer the old light weight and nimble cars.

[@captaino16]

I was standing by the back straight and can confirm the massive tailwind

[@marcianof1rst]

Thanks for uploading the video with the sounds coming out of the correct sides of each car in the video, yeli!

[@LewisEmuno]

Imagine if w11 raced in Shanghai 😧

[@No-Name360]

Will be 1.5-2.0secs faster than w10 because this track has mostly flat speed turns

[@abhrajitdey1730]

can you compare it with 2018 pole lap by vettel, it was 1.31.105 if i remeber correctly

[@swapnilnayak2449]

1.31.095

[@KayJblue]

Watching verstappens onboard feels like f2 in the slow corners. It’s wild

[@perpetual_bias]

verstappen's commitment thru the final corner was outstanding

[@vamositalia4600]

Wow the 2019 Mercedes on that track was very slow on the straights, that's probably why the lap record is still from 2018.

[@davideselli8804]

They ran with a setup optimized for the race pace, with a medium-high level of downforce, for that reason they were slow on the main straight. Today there were flows of wind on the main straight that helped a lot maximum high speed on straight.

[@10001000101]

The modern cars are too big and heavy.

[@junkiexl86]

Each reg change is an attempt to slow them down and give better wheel to wheel racing, so they say lol

[@Sugmamale28]

Where did you get exhaust mic sound ?

[@poyrazefeisikli6899]

2018 was the track lap record btw

[@ingocernohorsky]

The teams and Pirelli had simulated laptimes of 1:29,5 for 2024....

[@sergioferrero46]

Track condition and surface were pretty poor

[@corpsecoder_nw6746]

no way they predicted a time faster than 2019 with these tractors (compared to 2019 and 2020 they kinda are tractors in slow corners unless the track conditions are better than they were in those 2019 sessions)

[@sandordomonkos8351]

New asphalt with less grip

[@consolastv2380]

It is impossible to do 1:29 in China, even would be practically impossible to the W11 reach that time…

[@jurekgadzinowski2895]

@@corpsecoder_nw6746 Agreed, seems very unlikely to me as well. The newer cars are usually over a second slower per lap, so a simulation of a laptime better than the 2017-2021 seems rudiculous.

[@5950ziel]

A huge round of applause for the Chinese to put two very nice gravel traps. Way to go chaps! Nice job. That's a good direction to do away with track limits nonsense.

[@Phobion_1]

what is the name of the song you use during pause? awesome analysis by the way!

[@Phobion_1]

im dumb, it was in the description: World War Outerspace

[@detmer87]

Tarmac easily was 15% better (in terms of maximum grip level) in 2019...

[@junkiexl86]

And they had a strong tail wind in 2019

[@forgotcr]

The sound of the mercedes in the last turn was wild

[@Jaxymann]

I dread to imagine what would happen if you combined the 2019/20 Mercedes with 2024 Verstappen. The domination would be insane.

[@AgainstWokeness]

Hamilton better

[@user-wu7xp1dz3s]

Can you compare it with the Ferrari SF71H? In fact, the 2017-2021 cars are much faster, the ground effect is good, but there are a lot more disadvantages, they are much slower than the previous generation of cars

[@TheJokerit19]

The current-generation cars aren't always much slower than the previous-generation ones, though, but closer & or more on par at some circuits, or even outright faster in Baku & Jeddah. I agree that a comparison with the 2018 pole lap would be good as that's ultimately Shanghai's outright track record.

[@antonkirilenko3116]

2024 cars are pretty much as fast as 2021 ones. Like, 2024 Bahrain pole is only 2 tenths slower than 2021 Bahrain pole(with the slowest 2024 car being 2 seconds faster than Haas and 1 second faster than the P18 in 2021), while 2024 Jeddah pole is half a tenth faster than 2021 Jeddah pole. And that's considering that 2024 cars are considerably heavier.

[@TheJokerit19]

@@antonkirilenko3116 Indeed, & last season's Baku pole lap is faster than not only the 2021 equivalent lap but all other pole laps, for that matter, so general evolution within stable technical regs versus 2021 cars merely being tuned-down 2020 cars has an impact.

[@user-wu7xp1dz3s]

@@antonkirilenko3116 your comparisons are a little inappropriate since the 2018-2020 cars did not perform on these tracks, I can say for sure that even in Suzuka cars with ground effect are slower than Vettel’s previous record in 2019 by 1 second, while Suzuka is best suited for current cars, high-speed and medium-speed turns are the best for ground effect, these cars are heavy and sluggish at low speeds and very rigid and I don’t think they can compare with the cars of 2018-2020, in 21 the FIA ​​partially took away the downforce by cutting the bottom

[@antonkirilenko3116]

@@user-wu7xp1dz3s I made a comparison to 2021 cars only, what are you on about? I'm perfectly aware that 2019 and 2020 cars were faster.

[@mattiasinnoto4990]

how your verstappen onboard has the engine sounding beautifully like that but on the official F1 channel it doesn't?

[@zuggg655]

Yeah i wonder too

[@jurekgadzinowski2895]

Arent there 2 engines giving us the sound?

[@PepeLePewPew]

I don't have that, same sound. Both the beautiful Honda sound at downshift

[@456MrPeople]

Lmao this is like saying a Dyson sounds beautiful compared to a Hoover.

[@nickrobert4605]

So with same conditions same time ++--?

[@JoshKosh08]

Not a fair comparison considering how much more slippery the new track is

[@GiampieroRusso]

I believe that the difference with the same weight of the cars would have been no more than half a second or 6 tenths

[@hprees1]

Alonso pole lap from 2005 was 1:34.080. It would have been enough to put him third on the grid yesterday (knocking 2024 Alonso to 4th). Shanghai is one of the few tracks that hasn't changed between 2005 and 2024 (I think the other one is Bahrain). Alonso 2005 sector times: S1: 24.873 S2: 28.488 S3: 40.719

[@ruksonr1129]

where to get these onboard laps???

[@jurekgadzinowski2895]

F1TV.

[@jonathantejada8683]

F1 tv

[@JurijsFjodorovs1995]

The 2021 would be very fast here

[@MuhammadNiz007]

Bring back old cars we could actually race in weta with those

[@rroberts2023]

Another circuit that the mighty Mercedes W11 never showed it performance in anger.

[@doomoondong_idn]

So it's the acceleration harder with heavier car

[@outlawf1272]

😎cool vid

[@firot359]

can u compare it to w11 instead?

[@yanikdavid3708]

W11 never raced in China

[@firot359]

Ah, i forgot hahaha

[@corpsecoder_nw6746]

@@yanikdavid3708 funny that China was kinda the reason the W11 never raced in China.....

[@corpsecoder_nw6746]

@@firot359 could do a virtual lap or something using ACC

[@Fredrick656]

​@@firot359short memory or casual fan??? 🤔

[@J.E.R.E_254]

2019 vs 2004 hotlap please

[@kkrsnn5632]

So the RB is not a rocketship😮?

[@kissgergo5202]

I'd love to see a race between Verstappen in the RB20 and Hamilton in the W11. Or like a full on race with Max in the RB20 and everyone else in previous gen cars.

[@angahcheah5125]

W11 beat RB20 ， coz W11 is beast of turn

[@1BadPrix]

Max fan I take it. The rb20 can't touch the w11

[@niksal1]

20 yrs ago, Schumacher posted half a second faster laptime in Q1 on grooved tyres 😂😂....that too it was the 1st Chinese gp, no track data at all...these cars are a joke

[@Fokfeesspecial]

where did mercedes go????

[@th0m4ss48]

Why is verstappen applying throttle in t1? For better turn in?

[@EmmEmmE777]

Rotation

[@vyke2107]

@@EmmEmmE777the opposite, he’s trying to set himself out wider to get a better line.

[@boost800]

faster rotation

[@th0m4ss48]

@@EmmEmmE777why didn't bottas do the same in 2019? Because the car rotates much better due to the weight difference?

[@Fin4L6are]

cause you go faster when you apply the throttle

[@ExidonYT]

Alonso vs Stroll and Alonso vs Verstappen thank you!

[@SURF4LIFE84]

Stroll sometimes drop one gear extra compared to Alonso

[@junkiexl86]

Well he is accustomed to dropping the ball

[@pietromondia2028]

Please give us back the 2018-2020 cars. The 2024 cars are trucks compared to these....

[@chichochicc]

I don't get why no one is using Vettel's lap on 2018 that was faster than Bottas' 2019,

[@MrAdmin00]

Can Max beat Bottas by driving the Mercedes AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+?

[@antgeorg]

Day and night difference....

[@edy1434]

shame we did not get to see the GOAT w11 on this track it would be a delight to watch that monster riding the corners

[@Yes-vh7lm]

Interesting. To me, it looked like Bottas took better lines and utilized more of the track. Especially in sector one. But that was probably a very marginal part of the time gain. 99% of it was probably just the car and track conditions.

[@laffinarab]

Came here to say the same. Also the hairpin at end of straight, although the tailwind was causing issues in braking for many today i think. But yeah, really well executed lap by Bottas!

[@kvothe4637]

You can see the difference in a top class qualifier like valterri against the average newey merchant who can get pole with sloppy laps like this.😂

[@Soneoak]

Idiot detected here, knows absolutely nothing about f1 car weight and aero.

[@LuizHenrique-rq2dv]

Os carros de 2019 era mais rápidos de curva, além de serem mais leves e terem mais aceleração, enquanto os atuais são mais pesados mais lentos em curvas, porém são mais rápidos em retas

[@1BadPrix]

Ground effect cars are less draggy when using Drs

[@lightyagami7778]

Anbord pole lap vettel 2018 vs anbord pole lap Max 2024

[@Gonalo.Barros]

when mercedes was a racing car

[@cicerosoares9710]

Eu não sei como é que vc consegue arrumar essas comparação dessa, sabendo que os carros desse regulamento é mas pesado, não tem como comparar

[@viniciusvieiracruz]

O ponto é justamente esse, mostrar as grandes diferenças entre os carros atuais sob o regulamento atual e os carros mais leves de anteriormente, por exemplo o tempo de volta na arabia saudita esse ano bateu o recorde do tempo de 2021 algo bastante impressionante e surpreendente considerando todas as mudanças de la pra cá

[@wolfgangvan-uber6515]

Mercedes just wishing they could bring their old 19-21 cars back out of retirement and they would easily dominate again.

[@ZaneAndrae]

probably the W11

[@junkiexl86]

@@ZaneAndrae W11 and no cost cap lol

[@oliverSK]

if same conditions.. 2024 car would beat it

[@1BadPrix]

Nah

[@Arthur2_right]

Haha😂

[@Soneoak]

Back when cars couldn’t follow, and it was just a parade, and then drag race in straights. People seem to forget how unraceable the previous years were. Even idiots nowadays spouting garbage about F1 being boring compared to the drag races of the Mercedes era that gunned for quali times and straight line speed as nobody could overtake on corners. Wouldn’t have seen 4-5 car racing that we have had in the last 2 years and this year due to dirty air issues and drivers dropping back instead of following through corners. Hopefully with the MGUH regulation changes we get lighter cars PLUS close following racing to make it even more exciting even in slow corners. Max being in a league of his own despite other cars being able to follow through corners, and then complaining about rocket ship, pure excuses when cars setup for race don’t even care about the top speed in straights in this current ground effect era, but rather cornering speeds as the DRS effectively nullifies straight speed setups now that people can get and stay in range of DRS. We saw the leclerc/verstappen drs battle in Jeddah in 2022 to know that already. Slower cornering for the sake of racing is here for a reason. If you want to go back to the boring parade fest of yester-era, feel free to watch the replays of those years. Nobody cared about f1 during those boring years.

[@shonen84]

Merc Bottas was a beast in qualifying. Love to see it again!

[@Caioknight]

Anyway, in Jesus there's hope

[@Dirtlegacyreal]

I’m not a fan of this generation car. They sound like shit, they’re heavy, the way they produce downforce is weird and slipstream effect is less powerful. Truthfully, this era is right up there with 2014-2015 seasons in terms of just outright boring. Combination of the cars and the relative gaps between each team…

[@junkiexl86]

And here we were under the impression the new cars were supposed to give edge of your seat wheel to wheel racing lol edit: Its no better now than the last gen cars tbh.

[@rizkifadhilah8797]

Verstappen 2024 ok bottas 2024 ok

[@hamalouidjl449]

Max was flying last year and to make things even worse chico is flying too this year, it will be a long boring season 😞

[@andrewmelton2686]

They will slow his car down again to make max look like a god don't worry

[@BostilCensurado]

The top 5 teams arent that much slower than RB, i see much more of a problem with slow drivers keeping their seats for years because of sponsorship

[@hamalouidjl449]

​@@BostilCensurado nah man building a 13s gap in 10 laps is crazy

[@BostilCensurado]

@@hamalouidjl449 Max gets like a 20s gap on Checo after a whole race if he starts at p1, its not just the car, its the driver + the type of circuit, the qualifying shows that too

[@hamalouidjl449]

@@BostilCensurado exactly. And that's because the car is built around him and suits his driving style compared to checo

[@alessiogiovannoli1913]

Don't worry guys, 2026 cars will be much slower than today! Go FIA! GO LIBERTY MEDIA!

[@junkiexl86]

Yes. They are trying to slow them down to give better wheel to wheel racing. So they say anyway.

[@alessiogiovannoli1913]

@@junkiexl86 they are just killing this fucking sport. F1 is not about wheel to wheel racing, there's F2 or Indy for that, F1 si about skills, engineer taken to the extreme, high costs, but more than everything fucking fast cars

[@fabiosm4342]

@yelistener i love u ❤

[@mr.commander3947]

NO,,, bottas faster because he has been racing here at this chinese circuit for so many years,, hence he is familiar with the track,, BUT,,, BUT not for this kid verstappen,, , since the chinese f1 circuit had been stopped racing in the past 6 years ?? or more,, verstappen has no experience here,, things at this track is new fresh to him,, result a bit slower is normal,,, the redbull will pick up and surpass later,,,

[@charliethomas9326]

Modern f1 cars look slow, sound terrible, are heavy as cargo ships and are as big as them too. They have 0 soul and are against what racing is about. In 20 years, no one will look back and think "Wow those cars were so cool in 2024" like we do to the early 2000s cars. Make the cars 150kg lighter, smaller, simpler aero and 20,000rpm revving v10s and add back refuelling. The early 2000s formula with modern engineering and slick tyres would be CRAZY. F1 is quite literally selling its soul and I hope it comes back to bite them soon so they listen to the fans.

[@jurekgadzinowski2895]

You were correct untill you mentioned racing. Racing is not about the cars looking and sounding good. It is primarily about the overtaking, battles for positions. And 2022 regulations brought better racing. Cars can now follow closer to each other than in the 2010s, not to montion that the field was never this close. And how do you know about what would be the opinion of such cars in 20 years? When the cars got V8 engines instead of V10 people were saying simmilar things, while V8 regulations produced some of the best seasons in history such as 2006, 2007, 2008, 2010, 2012. 5 of 8 seasons of V8 era were insanely good and had both great racing overall and an interesting title fight till the last or one of the latest rounds of the season. What you have written tells nothing more than that you are a hater. And yeah, the current F1 cars look slower and sound worse than the late 2010s ones, worse than V8 ones and worse than V10 ones. But sound and looks are not the main goals, it is racing. You said "F1 is quite literally selling its soul and I hope it comes back to bite them soon so they listen to the fans." Well, F1 rarely listened to the fans, as I mentioned the V10 to V8 change wasnt seen as good, same with the V8 engines being swapped for V6 hybrid ones.

[@LewisEmuno]

@@jurekgadzinowski2895 bro this guy is just another troll wanting older F1 back lol.

[@junkiexl86]

Call me crazy, but the sound on these turbo V6's have grown on me a bit. I'm still a sucker for the V10's, but I don't find the current V6 sound to be as detracting as they were when first introduced.

[@juliangarcia-visogomez8522]

Here you can see Who is the important: the car.

[@jurekgadzinowski2895]

Oh really? Guess what, F1 is about the cars in the first place. But it takes two to tango. The best car without a decent driver is not going to be winning alone. And the best drivers would not win if the cars were not good enough. Put 2023 Verstappen in 2023 Williams, he is not winning a title. Put 2023 Sargeant in 2023 RedBull, he would not win a title there. Put 2019 Hamilton in 2019 Williams, he is not winning the title. Put 2019 Russel in 2019 Mercedes, he is not winning the title either.

[@1BadPrix]

​@jurekgadzinowski2895 it's 75 percent the car. Give Alonzo Hamilton leclerc Lando hell even Russell and max would have a real fight on his hands. Stop it

[@Soneoak]

@@1BadPrixwhen clueless idiots talk. Max beat Hamilton in an inferior car. In the new era, everyone had a chance to dominate, those who couldn’t race finally got out of the top spot. Merc fan complaining about ground effect when we see here in this video that the cars are in fact slower than before. We remove the straight line speed and quali advantage by letting drivers stay closer during race through corners and suddenly, Mercedes falls off. Real drivers race, shit drivers qualify in rocket ships and keep others behind via dirty air. No more dirty air, no more shit short term tactics abuse, no more Hamilton wins. Hamilton should get into the RB and get smashed to pieces by Max to shut everyone up.

[@plivajucipauk7742]

@@1BadPrix Lol Hamilton has trouble beating Russell, he is washed.

[@1BadPrix]

@@plivajucipauk7742 didn't he beat him last year in the standings? Or was I watching a different f1.

[@Tommy__C_G]

Ground effect cars are so shit

[@Malc180s]

F1 truly is a waste of money. All the bullshit about being more eco - just stop teams from wasting vast amounts of energy researching and designing crap cars. We all know why there was a regulation change to ground effect - to keep engineers and manufacturers engaged. It's nothing to do with the sport being enjoyable to watch. Half the weight, no drs, no hybrid, no radios or comms.

[@95black25]

2022-2023-2024 cars 🤢🚜

[@juanicoelmabonico1419]

CADA, VEZ LA F1 ES MÁS LENTA Y ABURRIDA GRACIAS A LA MA-FIA

[@mclarenguy22]

This is unacceptable. Formula 1 cars are supposed ro be evolving into faster, more exhilarating speeds, not going slower. The 2022 regulations have failed.

[@Eric-rf1is]

F1 makes rules changes to slow them down for years now. If they let the teams get on with it, the tracks can't provide the needed safety. The 2022 regulation were not invented to make the cars faster, it was the dirty air that needed to be adressed so cars could follow better. The 2022 regulation worked out. 👍👍

[@jurekgadzinowski2895]

You new here? F1 regulation changes of the past 3 decades were usually to make the cars slower. Grooved tires. V8 instead of V10 so the cars would have less power. V6 hybrid instead of V8, again, the cars got slower. It is pretty much like that since the 90s. New regulations are introduced and it takes time for the cars to catch up to the pace of the older ones, while sometimes they never do, like V8 werent faster in Monza than V10s, or how early V6 hybrid cars were slower than the V8 ones.

[@jurekgadzinowski2895]

The 2022 regulations have done anything but failed. They were introduced to make the wheel to wheel racing easier and to make the field closer. And guess what, both of these goals were achieved in 2022 alone and it only gets better from there. The field was never as close as it is now. The time differences in qualyfyings were never this small. Being a second away from top 3 means being knocked out in Q1 or Q2.

[@Soneoak]

Idiots talking about lap times as if they mattered in real racing. The cars are driven to the limits. The speed of the car does not matter as the skill required to get to the limit remains as required. If bottas who isn’t a championship winning inconsistent driver can do a faster time, it means max would’ve done better in the same car. Back then, F1 cars with v10s had slow pit stops and even refuelling. They were also insanely loud and inefficient. They were only faster because of weight and inefficient power, and lacked lots of safety features. The regulation changes are meant to address technological issues like carbon emissions, fuel consumption, and even aero related issues like dirty air. They have been doing very well and making racing interesting to watch, far more since 2022