China's Massive PL-17 Extreme Long Range Air-to-Air Missile

[@jawadkazmi5327]

I think this channel produces the most reliable content related to Chinese defence in the KZbin space. Never exaggerates in my opinion, very well balanced analysis on various def topics

[@EurasiaNaval]

Thanks :)

[@henryorcustus3412]

I want China to keep improving their flankers because it is just such a pretty airframe.

[@gregwallace6159]

My all time favorite

[@K1VV1939]

yes and if the J-16 Flanker can win the Miss Global Flanker Pageant by still being there after all the US shit boxes have exhausted all their over priced shit boxes of attack missiles then China will have won - but to do that China has to have 100% control of the HERTZ ... 8 Hertz is a good starting place

[@mosesracal6758]

Pretty but its becoming fastly obsolete. Thats probably why the PLAAF is trying to get these aircraft to carry much larger missiles so they can extend the lifespan of the airframe and just turn them into missile carriers because every 4th gen fighter just became obsolete with the advent of the stealth fighter. Obsolete does not mean useless though and if I have to imagine, these aircraft can probably be used to saturate the enemy with missiles fired from extremely long distances even before the stealth fighters are within range of each other. How that would exactly work when the missiles cannot target what they cannot see is not my problem but they can probably act like cruise missiles having autonomous and independent tracking once the missiles are fired.

[@henryorcustus3412]

@@mosesracal6758 They can't go head to head with 5th gens but they aren't obsolete - unless you would classify every other 4++ fighter as obsolete. Chinese flankers are currently 1 full generation ahead of F15E and Dassault in terms of AESA radar and A2A missiles (not even counting PL17, which only Russia has equivalent). We are talking about 1750 T/R modules on Chinese J-11D compared to less than 1000 T/R modules on Dassault RBE2 AESA.

[@chewycaca]

I think the F15 and F22 has the best looking frame.

[@Zohairshanteer]

I live in Shenyang China and I live close by to 沈阳航空航天大学 Shenyang Aviation and Aerospace sciences university and they have many models of Chinese fighter jets inside. I saw the Shenyang J 16 up close and it looks terrifyingly wicked! A great work of engineering.

[@leon-mu1qg]

哥们你在沈北住吗？我在皇姑。

[@Zohairshanteer]

@@leon-mu1qg 大哥对的！我住在沈北，辽宁大学新区，，哦太巧了啊

[@fenneka1410]

i live in Qingdao China and i live close by to 小口子 Xiaokouzi Navy Base and we have many 大蘑菇 .Navy is God & Navy No.1😄

[@gelinrefira]

@@Zohairshanteer @leon-mu1qg Now kiss.

[@ZxZ239]

J-20 in front with AESA radar searching out targets while being undetectable, J-20 feeds target data to J-16 with PL-17 200-300km behind the frontline and launches the missiles, J-20 provides it with continuous tracking information while still remaining steathy, missile hit the targets and no one know where it was coming from.

[@mtrest4]

Once radar is turned on, that plane is detectable. And that's assuming it's stealth even works! Otherwise it's detectable even without emitting radar.

[@xinyiquan666]

@@mtrest4 thats same assuming for f22 or f35

[@xblade11230]

@@mtrest4 Please explain how you can get a targeting track from just listening to a Radar based on currently established laws of physics. Because what you are claiming simply isn't possible The US btw lost 10,000 aircraft in Vietnam, with 30%-50% of the kills caused by the S75 , the USSR sent a grand total of 95 of them to Vietnam and the US repeatedly failed to find and kill these AA systems And the same thing was repeated in the Kosovo war! Yugoslav Air Defenses Mostly Intact >Defense sources said one problem is that many of the Yugoslav military's 150 surface-to-air missiles have been hidden from NATO aircraft, as have the thousands of antiaircraft artillery batteries and hundreds of shoulder-launched antiaircraft missiles similar to the U.S. Stinger. There are antiradiation missiles, that simply heads towards the location that is emitting radiation but they are pretty much useless because the enemy just turns off the radar when these missiles are launched, and then they miss the target The only way to actually target and hit is by turning on your own radar, there are no currently established laws of physics that allow you to hit a target just by listening to EM waves being given off ...

[@Dantm928]

​@@mtrest4 AESA radar is harder to target than traditional radar. Also yeah chinese stealth certainly doesn't work, you could've also assumed that our pl17 is completly made-up i guess... Under the condition that stealth works and there is a reliable/defended relay it could pose a great threat.

[@西瓜大-z6u]

​@@mtrest4 有一种飞机叫“预警机”，需要用J20打开雷达扫描敌机？PL-17发射后可以用预警机校正敌机位置。

[@razmiihsan8897]

Flankers and it's varients are the most beautiful fighter ever built. They are like art piece.

[@Lalramkumhlunsitlhou25300]

The Flankers are really a good design.. they are the most beautiful airframe ever designed 🎉...they should be kept upgrading 😊

[@douginorlando6260]

Launching a missile from high altitude and high speed greatly increases the missile range. There will always be a place for a plane optimized to launch payloads at highest speed and altitude

[@EagleFighterJet]

The power of this missile is also a significant factor for the Chinese military

[@gelinrefira]

It feels like J-16 should be able to carry more than 2 PL-17. A full long range air-to air loadout could be 4 PL-17 and 2 PL-10.

[@johnbodman4504]

I think that it is wise for China to use the design of the su-27 air frame, the design is so good that it will be around for a while.

[@BeelP.]

A sleek yet intimidating warplane sure to make America think hard before messing with China.

[@LeoChen-v6z]

china's radar technology is crazy now. Like most planes now on their fleet have aesa radars and I think they literally put a radar on the CIWS which nobody has done before to my knowledge(correct me if I'm wrong).

[@GeoPoliticsCommentry]

Missile tech and missile range deadly coupling

[@victoryh67]

I’ve heard that PL17 flies almost outside of our atmosphere and has its own fire control radar, it goes fuel efficient mode and searches for target, then renters atmosphere to gain momentum and hit target, it might stay silent until it finds a target or was being assigned one.

[@prikitieuw1386]

Damn I ❤ PLA Air Force 🇨🇳

[@GMATveteran]

It would be ideal if the PLAAF could deploy some kind of elongated stealth UCAV (long enough to internally carry long-range BVR AAMs such as the PL-17 & eventually PL-21); it would play the role of a fast-flying interceptor & companion drone. It's primary use case would be to penetrate deep into enemy airspace & snipe enemy AWACs, refuelers, transports, & other high-value or support aircraft.

[@NEVERSTOPFKUSA]

I think you are talking WZ-8 which is already served in PLAAF. with that, you don't have to let the UAV carry the missile, you just need it guiding the LR missile to hit the targets.

[@李大人-m7p]

J-16 launch, J-20 guidance

[@gelinrefira]

You might be looking for AVIC Dark Sword, which is already in development.

[@GMATveteran]

@@gelinrefiraThat's been "in development" since the mid-2000s, & there is hardly ever any news about it. Will the Dark Sword ever be deployed? Also, I wonder whether the original dark sword was designed with extra large AAMs in mind. It might have to be redesigned to carry the likes of the PL-17 & PL-21 to fulfill the aforementioned interceptor UCAV role.

[@gelinrefira]

@@GMATveteran Well, I don't expect the Dark Sword to be done any time soon. They are just starting to produce 2-seats variant of J-20, probably for the loyal wingman concept. This is cutting edge stuff because no one has successfully deploy this concept yet, so they are gonna take their sweet time on this. Or who knows, they might unveil the prototype next year. But I think all these developments will likely mirror how deep are US provocations. If the Americans gone off the deep end, they are going to accelerate these kinds of programs. If the Americans become a little more sensible, they might take it a little easy.

[@johnsmith1953x]

*Very interesting....*

[@Wvk5zc]

onwards to PL-18, PL-19, PL-20 and beyond!

[@乔·拜登-d6p]

pl15.pl17.pl21

[@miguellines5907]

​@@乔·拜登-d6p 17-19-21 intendedly developed for 6th generation aerial vehicle or jet.

[@jawadkazmi5327]

would be interesting to know if J-20 can provide guidance to PL-17 launched from a Chinese Flanker ?

[@宇宙大元帅金正恩同志]

guidance will be provided by kj500, same for j20 as well.

[@李大人-m7p]

J-16 launch, J-20 guidance

[@李大人-m7p]

@@宇宙大元帅金正恩同志

[@李大人-m7p]

@@宇宙大元帅金正恩同志 J-16 launch. J-20 boot

[@宇宙大元帅金正恩同志]

I don't think so, j20's radar is limited@@李大人-m7p

[@tamimkhan742]

Wow!!!

[@philiptan2051]

Wow PL17 air-to-air missiles can reach a target at more than 400 km away. These missiles can be used against enemy’s jet fighters in a defense mission long before they appear on the horizon.

[@bilibili833]

这个导弹是用来射瞎美国作战编队后方的预警机的，这是为美国量身定做的，美国应该为他们的强盗行为而感到光荣

[@YoniBaruch-y3m]

Basically an air to air cruise missile then!

[@philiptan2051]

@@YoniBaruch-y3m well, I think the difference is that a cruise missile can follow the terrain surface to the target and an ordinary air-to-air missile goes in a direct line towards the infrared source like the exhaust of an engine.

[@xblade11230]

@@philiptan2051 The PL-17 does not use infrared , It flies to a location that it is assigned, the PL-17 has Active radar homing, which means there is a radar inside the missile Once the missile travels to its assigned location, it then turns on its own radar, the radar that is inside the missile and uses the information to establish a targeting track and then it flies to intercept the target

[@philiptan2051]

@@xblade11230 yeah, I know, but how do you assign it? And tracks it during flight? It must have something to keep the subject in its radar. It can keep the subject in its tracking system by electromagnetic ray or by keeping the infrared light from its exhaust.

[@Lee_CHN]

霹雳-17超远程空空导弹近日亮相，据传其射程超过400公里。

[@Senbonzakura776]

Flankers always look great.

[@bobsmith3983]

Always reminds me of a Klingon war bird.

[@mssv19123]

Soviets are good designer, aircraft is elegant like flying swan...

[@ZweiZwolf]

China, too. Xian Y-20 is a good-looking plane!

[@danielmartin7838]

I feel the overall tone emitted from the vast majority of the comments here, and I can’t help but wonder if I’m the only one who tries to fathom the possibilities for the human race if the U.S. and China worked in concert for a brighter future of all our people. I imagine anything would be possible under such a star.

[@chillstep4life]

The problem is Washington doesn't want cooperation it wants world domination

[@bilibili833]

是的，中国未来将为人类做这些事，最近中国第四代核电站已经投入运营，解决了人类千年能源问题，中国未来两万年的能源已经不成问题了

[@hjhghj462]

It is impossible. After five thousand years of history, China has concluded that win-win trade is the way for mankind to live in peace and develop. while western civilization has only developed for about two thousand years and is still at the stage of its primitive beastly nature that wants to dominate all the nations on the earth and show its so-called glory. Even if aliens attack, the west will still stab China if it gets the chance.

[@Dantm928]

It would've been nice if that could be true (which techincally could) but according to nash equalibrium, nope, impossible.

[@gelinrefira]

@@Dantm928 It's impossible from a capitalist mind. Not so impossible from a communist mind.

[@ensh888888]

Chinese military technology is truly awesome !

[@铁锅炖莱蛙]

根据理论推测PL-17针对的高价值目标同样包括B2 和 B21，PL-17是采用高抛弹道，低可探测飞机的机背并不隐形，对于亚音速与机动性差的大型轰炸机采用灌顶攻击会如何呢？ 负责数据链锁定引导PL-17同样也适用于早前公开的WZ-8液体火箭无人机，这释放的含义就非常有意思了。

[@computerjoy]

Bravo China

[@raymondtay3532]

Well done China PLAAF Super Technologies.💪💪👍👍👏👏♥️♥️💯💯

[@zhli4238]

What would be the role of PL-17, with a range of over 400+ km? Maybe it would be used to snipe AWACS from a long distance, or targeting EW, tankers ... J-16 is a very large flanker, despite it looks like its smaller cousins such as Mig-29, Su-27. Then, J-16 would be detected from far away by AWACS, before it can snipe. It seems J-20 carrying PL-15 would do this better.

[@xblade11230]

Lol what does the US have that can hit a J-16 from 400km? they have nothing, the longest range missile the US currently fields is the Meteor ...

[@bobsmith3983]

All the J-16 has to do is follow behind the J-20 and the AWACS will not see the J-16. The J-20 will detect the AWACS long before the AWACS can detect the J-20 due to the inverse square law for RF signal propagation.

[@zjn-io9vr]

Because China positions the J-16 as an electronic warfare aircraft, the top of the line J-16 is even more counterfeit than the J-20😢

[@fernandofernandito3055]

PL 17 ranges around 400 Kilometers to 500 Kilometers or 250 miles to 310 miles ranges. PL 17 speed is over 4 Mach or 3,069.08 mph...

[@douginorlando6260]

Missiles like PL17 eliminate any advantages held by other aircraft, assuming the network of sensors do their job. No aircraft can escape a missile that pulls 50 Gs. Even a lowly transport aircraft with PL 17 missiles can hunt for and down fighter aircraft from far away. That’s why China has dense sensor arrays in many frequencies including optical recognition in visible and IR, radar at various wavelengths, EM transmission locators, and more.

[@LIONIQ-foxhound]

LONG LIVE CHINA , LONG LIVE PLA .

[@kenhuang3208]

make USA more peaceful

[@freeworld88888]

can the radar detect that far or they need Awacs guid them there. J16 Radar is a secret. I believe that chinese su35 radar has a range of 200miles.

[@pagelu-mt7rh]

China uses AWACS to detect and send information to fighter jets. In last year's battle between j20 and f35, China used early warning aircraft to detect the f35 and transmit information to the j20. It was not until the j20 turned on its fire control radar to lock on the f35 that the f35 discovered the j20's location.

[@mosesracal6758]

Considering the limited avionics of the flankers, its probably going to be guided by AWACS and then they switch to infrared once close enough.

[@LuZhao-z4q]

it can be guided by J 20.

[@keithw4920]

Given that AWACS might operate on an active mode for their radars, that is a big signal to home in on.

[@liongjiahwong5478]

China Beidou GPS.. war from Space..

[@robertlackey7212]

This changes everything ! American carriers have to use in air refueling to maintain a safer but not really safe distance , same with the US air force this will make the entire US tanker fleet really vulnerable , the unmanned stealth tanker the navy is experimenting with is not going to replace the US tanker fleet any time soon. What worries me is , sending pilots on what are likely to be one way trips will be just looked at as more contracts for the MIC.

[@bobsmith3983]

What's the point of a stealth tanker when it can be detected by VHF radar from hundreds of kilometers away? It will probably be easily detected when it is refueling F-35 due to the refueling hose and drogue or with IRST.

[@robertlackey7212]

@@bobsmith3983 No one outside of the military really knows what can detect what and how far away and even they don't know that is why the west was freaking out when Turkey bought S-400 and were scheduled to receive F-35 because then the Turks would be the only ones that really knew , It's a shame America cancelled the deal it would have been easy to plant some kind of record and transmit later bugs in the f-35 cockpits and find out how well they did against S-400.

[@KG98760]

Wish you well for the future China.

[@Nexgeninfi]

China just need to deny U.S. area access for now, so the primary focus is AWACS and Fuel planes. If U.S. fighter planes/pilots can't make it back to carriers then it's mission accomplished for China. Everyone and China knows her mono-crystalline technology is no where near U.S. so this is her work around in the mean time.

[@SilverforceX]

Great content, unbiased analysis. You should do a Stealth, RCS vs modern IRST thermal sensors with laser tracking. Its a topic that many Western audience have no idea about, they imagine the F-22 and F-35 to be untargetable by Russian & Chinese aircraft due to their low RCS.

[@maddogy4645]

My missile is longer and thicker than yours😂

[@bobsmith3983]

Yes the Chinese missile is longer and thicker that the American's.

[@GaionSputro]

​@@bobsmith3983 We talk about chinese here, not african!

[@bastiancooper-queen1849]

It look like a little as F15, isn't ?

[@DeanZYT]

Could you please improve the sound quality in the videos?

[@qwaskkn]

PL17不止歼16能挂，歼11B和歼轰7A也可以挂，都有挂载实图的。

[@douginorlando6260]

I expect a forward deployed J20 will detect adversary aircraft with its’ powerful radar. Then instead of remaining locked on the target while another aircraft fires the PL17, the J20 will launch a supersonic drone that closes on the target and takes over the tracking & illuminating the target with its’ own limited AESA radar. This allows the J20 to turn off its’ radar and go invisible and turn away. After completion, the supersonic drone would then land in a rendezvous location for recovery.

[@zjn-io9vr]

The j20 doesn't even need to recycle these drones, as China has been researching the stealth loyal drones of the j20, which can all be abandoned😢

[@hcjet]

PL17将由J11，J16或J15T发射，由J20或J35接管引导

[@中国-e8c]

НОАК.🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳👍👍👍👍👍

[@johnsmith1953x]

Buh bye AEWC ... Your days are long gone now...

[@王总-h6c]

牛逼克拉斯

[@springtime1838]

Considering the PLAAF/PLANAF has a interest in very long range AAM's it's know wonder there is also interest in newer and more AEW aircraft and surveillance systems air and sea based type 53D and Type 55 Destroyers and Cruisers

[@ioanbota9397]

Realy I like it they are so powerful

[@XingZheWuKong]

我怀疑你也关注“理科男士K一米”了。😂

[@camt8804]

I wonder how easy it is to jam these very long range missiles.

[@mosesracal6758]

Probably very easy assuming if it was configured to keep it as light as possible to fit all the avionics and fuel it needs to travel those extreme distances. But I doubt thats going to be a problem. These are probably going to be used more likely as standoff saturation missiles meant to be fired before the PL-12s are even in range or even just as intercept missiles - stealth bombers still exist and ground based SAMs arent going to cut it out.

[@urcompnioncube0213]

@@mosesracal6758 regarding anti-air assets, the Department of Defense (DoD) does not rely on guesswork. We know that China has been advancing in stealth detection, anti-air, and anti-ship capabilities. The 2023 DoD report on China indicates they possess ballistic capabilities resistant to jamming. In March 2022, the Chinese demonstrated a system capable of targeting an area radar, simulating a missile saturation attack. This is essentially similar to the threat emitters we use for our own pilot training except that the Chinese version is a more enhanced and mobile system. Ours look like air conditioners with a radar dish, whereas the Chinese is somehow mobile (satellite, rocket, balloon??). What does this imply? If accurate, it essentially renders stealth unnecessary, transforming conventional anti-air and ship missiles into effective stealth weapons. Not in the sense that they are undetectable by radar, but because they are accompanied by hundreds of phantom radar signatures. Everyday i look at China objectively i get more concerned.

[@camt8804]

@@urcompnioncube0213 Resistant is an interesting word .... not immune.

[@urcompnioncube0213]

@@camt8804 Immune implies 100%, nothing is immune.

[@camt8804]

@@urcompnioncube0213 So what does jam resistant mean? Somewhere between 1% - 100% of the jamming will work. Not a real strong or specific statement by the DoD.

[@huss1205]

Question is, are they really effective and can hit targets over this long distance? Can they defeat US fighters' defenses?

[@mab2187]

Isn't it the Su-30 derivative? and wasn't the J-16 the Su-35 chinese ver? or is the J-16 the Su-30 chinese ver? I forgot.

[@a9udn9u-vanced]

It doesn't look like Su-35

[@leto428]

It is a hybrid between J-11B/BS and SU-30MKK. It is based more on the J-11, but with designs in mind to make it multirole like SU-30, fill in the blanks and suit the needs of PLAAF. So, it resembles both previously purchased flankers. SU-35 is more or less to fulfill the number before the advanced domestic models go into production; that's why China only bought 24 instead of 48, as Russia's initial proposal.

[@pashapasovski5860]

​@leto428 China bought 24 Su35S few years ago!

[@leto428]

@@pashapasovski5860 Yes that was exactly what I said at the end. Russia wanted to sell 48 but China only bought 24 of them.

[@alex-shanghai]

I think this PL17 is very niu b 👍

[@superz7940]

400公里射程，我的乖乖

[@suhongpan5459]

哈哈哈

[@superpooper_2030]

This is insulting India special position of superpower in Asia

[@qkchen57]

India who?

[@subasthapa8323]

😂

[@user-ki1bk5fi8b]

how can you be super power when 30% are beggers99% of weapons are bought,copare youselfs to somalia.be realistic

[@watcher5729]

Damn its like its taken off the S400 and attached to pylon

[@AtlasYoung-h7l]

aim-260 still in research?

[@biggwong6912]

Aim 260 Will be field in 2026 per their assumption.

[@xblade11230]

the AIM-260 won't fit in the internal missile bays of the F-22 or F-35

[@denyschan4114]

Most beautiful fighter ever

[@danielmartin7838]

The F4U or P-51 look way better. Not to mention the F-15 or the awesome F-22

[@Dantm928]

​@@danielmartin7838True, its like a matter of opinion. My rank would probably be topped by the flanker, yf23, f22 and the f35. F-15 F-4 and F-14 follows in parallel second place. I'm not a huge fan of traditional fighters but ta152 can do sort of

[@Ottovonostbahnhof]

发这个照片的军网小编估计被处理了，照片已经撤下。

[@xiongyuhao8831]

没有彻底清除，各平台还有贴吧还是很多讨论的。

[@darchojandreoski]

Hier der Pegasus Galaktica 7 Cyborg Darcho Jandreoski - Wenn der Mensch um 24:00 Schafen geht geht die Gehirn CD auf Track 1 zurück und der Tag fängt neu an am nächsten Morgen die Gehirn CD hat 24 bis 25 Tracks das heißt 24 stunden rytmus

[@jeffl4554]

why i dont even feel woryying at all.. here in America we're just way over powered lol

[@Dantm928]

That is entirely true, even if china surpasses USA by technology and armed forces its sphere of influence would have a hard time getting to us main land. USA has accumulated too much power over these years...

[@MarvinChenFantasy]

Another rule changed

[@stevehoe5017]

China's J16 carrying two PL-17 very long range missiles looking fiercely deadly, very powerful and deadly bomber & offensive fighter jet of China.

[@nikonmark37814]

You never know how good a weapon is until it's used in combat, so it's an unproven missile that might live up to Chinese propaganda!

[@EurasiaNaval]

Interesting - what about nukes? Many types of nukes have never been used in combat, would it be wise to doubt if they work?

[@Dantm928]

The thing about military is that you'd always anticipate the worst, not wish for the best. I cannot count how many times has chrismas offensives gone wrong in history😂

[@yyd8869]

Please tell me about the actual combat record of the F-22.

[@Name-pf4ue]

@@yyd8869打爆了一个气球哈哈哈哈哈

[@GaionSputro]

​@@Name-pf4ue MiG-35D better.

[@Tyteagas]

Deadly for the pilot substandard jet

[@azbgames6827]

America needs to get JATM into service quickly to catch up and even then it might not be enough. AMRAAM AXE (air launched ESSM) or an air launched SM2/6 might need to be put in service.

[@noelacosta2170]

Still needed in real actions to proved Chinese claims

[@k.k.c8670]

Coming soon to Philippines

[@lilili-z9o]

​@@k.k.c8670一场空战，击杀全部美国飞机。

[@Dantm928]

I really don't think that would be nessary or something you should be wishing for. Conflict in general isn't sth to be needed.

[@mosesracal6758]

China being primarily more as a regional power does not have to care about range or even limit their aircraft to just barely fit existing logistics structures so they can definitely just keep on putting the largest missiles on their aircraft.

[@urcompnioncube0213]

That advantage is actually huge. We spend trillions to maintain a global presence and address a wide range of potential threats. Our military is powerful, but it essentially functions as a jack of all trades. In contrast, China can concentrate their resources, research, deployments, and operations on a single regional area and against one enemy, the USA. This means their spending is more focused and efficient. We see that they only spend $400 billion, but according the USNI we understand they don't include operations, the coast guard, frigates, or logistical transports in their figures, they also do not count their nuclear program in their figures. Coupling that with the fact that they only need to focus on one region and one enemy and the USD has more bang for the buck in China, this presents a dangerous unknown for us

[@hjhghj462]

With a 15,000 kilometer range hydrogen bomb and HGV nuclear warhead and a complete 24/7 global navigation system of its own, it is definitely not a regional power. not to mention the influence on the global economy.

[@gelinrefira]

@@urcompnioncube0213 You military function as a imperial force making sure all your vassals stay on the same page and threaten anyone who refuses to bend their knees.

[@denyschan4114]

🇨🇳❤🎉🎊💪👍🏼

[@mdkhaledbhuiyan8567]

J16= SU 30

[@mtrest4]

Accuracy at hitting targets successfully drops exponentially with range. Also weight the aircraft has to carry increases limiting the total number of weapons that can be carried. Medium and medium-short range missikes is what makes the most kills. Long and extra long range missiles tend to miss. Only 15% probability of a kill.

[@MrCastodian]

Yes, against fighter size targets, against force multipliers it’s an almost guaranteed kill, 15% hit rate is just not true for any missile with this use. And accuracy do not drop with range, an active radar is just as good if the missile is 400km away or 50km away because the radar is on the missile…and in general, the larger the missile the stronger the radar is.

[@mtrest4]

@@MrCastodian Nah, these missiles have small radars cross sections and limited electronic payload. Illumination by host aircraft is itself a magnet for missiles. In general long range missiles do not hit their target. Kill probability against fighter aircraft is 15% or less. Only effective against large targets like AWACS and more so deterring them than striking them. Also how real are advertised claims. A test a couple of years ago in front of a customer for a C80-x anti-ship missile by China totally missed its sea target despite multiple missiles being fired. Claims may be one thing and reality something else...

[@gjffudcgifvbju379]

@@mtrest4 could you give me the news link you mention?

[@subasthapa8323]

Nice cope there 😸

[@xblade11230]

@@mtrest4 Lol you are an idiot, you do realize that the PL-17 has active radar homing, look it up Look at Russia vs Ukraine war , Ukraine's aircraft are getting deleted before they can even detect Russian planes , Long range missiles work >The R-37M LRAAM Set the Record for Longest-Range Air-To-Air Kill in Ukraine >In late October a Ukrainian Sukhoi-27 Flanker, Soviet-era fighter, was shot down by a long-range air-to-air missile (LRAAM) - the R-37M. This is not the first Ukrainian aircraft to be shot down since Russia’s invasion commenced in February, but it is nevertheless a significant feat for the Russian Air Force because the R-37M took down the Ukrainian Sukhoi-27 from a range of 217km (about 140 miles). This would make the kill the longest on record. The R-37M is a hypersonic long-range air-to-air missile (LRAAM) reportedly capable of reaching Mach 6 and striking targets up to 400km (250 miles) away.

[@hk10218]

author has a strong chinese accent.

[@zhuzi_2037]

先用来攻打下倭国岛练练手, 看下好不好用

[@papatango2362]

Just because pictures come out of airplanes carrying certain weapons or does not mean they are truly operational or deployed in huge numbers. Applies both to western and Russian/Chinese designs.

[@HyperpigGaming]

you just dont know how Chinese works. we dont show stuff publicly unless we want to. if you see it that generally means it is in service and tested. and next generation is already started research, and the next next generation is on paper. westerns shows once they have the idea. we hide until its fully capable. thats the different mentality between the culture.

[@rockyshi9609]

But the PL17 in this photo is a training bomb, which means that it has entered service status

[@MrCastodian]

Usually it’s just the opposite when talking about China, weapons are in active service when they start showing them like this.

[@pashapasovski5860]

No,China is posing for KZbin, with cardboard missiles! Joke is on you,they could photoshop instead!

[@gelinrefira]

First, there is no way China can develop anything new. They can only steal and copy. Then, there is no way China can build what they claimed. They will always lie. Third, there is no way whatever China built actually works. They do not have the technical know-how or experience. Finally, there is no way they are deploying in enough numbers to make a difference, for a country that literally has 30% of the entire world's manufacturing capacity. You got to be more creative than this. I thought being creative is like your racial trait or something.

[@555frontier]

Xitler-16

[@musa7010]

Saaar indiots air fars SU 30 MKI with Brahmos missile is very best fighter saaar agree with me pleej saaar

[@Flankymanga]

Russians are mounting AESA radars on their Su-35 and Su-30 newest models and they can carry R-.37M with massive range of 400km. Plus they are working on another variant with codename Izdelie 810 that wil be optimized for carrying internally and with even more extended range. So calling J-16 arguably the best Flanker is bit of a stretch, especially since it has not been combat proven, but no doubt China has come a long way. Its good to see that they can threaten American airplanes.

[@user-ku6bv4ni2f]

Isnt Su-57 the only Russian fighter in service that has an AESA radar? Su-35 and Su-30 have only PESA radars, even for the newer ones (such as Su-30SM2). Frankly speaking China wasn't satisfied with the avionics from the 24 Su-35 they bought, one key reason to why no further deals were made. It's nowhere as competent in BVR combat as proper AESA counterparts

[@007sammax]

we are in 2023. its an open fact Russian legs behind in 21st century advance electronics. AESA radar is still very rare in Russian air force. SU-35/SU-30SM2 both currently equipped with PESA radars. cannot match with J-16's AESA radar. J-16 has very large AESA radar and IRST is by far the best in flanker series. Russians cannot match Chinese in electronics and avionics.

[@mosesracal6758]

Lmao source: trust me bro. The Russians keep on planning on improving their air force since the last 2 decades with nothing to show for it. China on that same time frame has not only beaten the Russians on developing and actually fielding a 5th gen stealth fighter, they arent even buying engines from them anymore which was the only reason why China clinged on to Russian military industry.

[@xinyiquan666]

stop NS . there is no such thing as AESA radar on su 35, it is PESA, russia does not have advanced eletronic technology, nor they can build any radar in mordern technology, also R37 is old 1980s missile, which is just antique, also its only 390 km range, while PL17 is over 400km, and some said it can range at 600km, also su35 is no match to J16 in any way, su35 also does not have combat proven, , china is top in airplane now, US is not match either, f 35 is j c

[@aswinottapilavil495]

So far there is no confirmation on any Su-35 having an AESA radar. Irbis is a great radar and is definitely very capable in its own regard, it can even possibly outmatch or outperform some AESA radars in some regards but it is still a PESA radar nonetheless and comes with certain bottlenecks. R-37M on the other hand is a deadly missile, it is not only combat proven but many evidence suggests that it was able to knock down fighters from extreme ranges. PL-17 could have longer range but R-37M would likely be more manoeuvrable. So, assuming J-16 to be the most advanced flanker variant isn’t a stretch at all.

[@ebnhahn1993]

PL-17 is the chinese version of the Russian SU-27. Why do say it is the largest plane "built by China"!!???

[@kanestalin7246]

Pl-17 is the missile

[@Wvk5zc]

thank you for showing the world your stupidity

[@aungaisum8654]

​@@kanestalin7246😅😅😅

[@Dantm928]

DUDE😂

[@Wumao50centparty]

Nah just a Chinese copycat plane😂😂😂 nothing new to that😂

[@thomasridley8675]

I hope they built it using the same standards they used for their other projects. Which is mostly gutter oil and tofu.

[@garryaclan198]

Chinese always copycat no way

[@zjn-io9vr]

In war, no one cares if you are a replica, people only care if you are strong or not

[@RadicalFloat_95]

​@@zjn-io9vrI actually genuinely agree with you and finally some one who l found in the comment section that actually has a functioning brain for once

[@noelacosta2170]

Chinese exported arms gives lots of problems for Indonesia defective antiship missiles, Pakistan aquired frigates and the worst is JF17 acquired by Myanmar that were ended unusable

[@limk8994]

Haha! Joker spotted.🤡

[@k.k.c8670]

if you buy a race car, you need to properly maintain it and have spare parts, no? What missiles did Indonesia buy from China that's "defective" ?

[@k.k.c8670]

stop talking nonsense...C-series are Chinese antiship missiles used by Indonesia... "SINKEX: Indonesian Frigate Sunk By Missiles And Bombs A decommissioned frigate split into three and sank after being struck by four anti-ship missiles (Exocet MM40 Block 3, C-802, and C-705) and four free fall bombs (M117/Mk-12 General Purpose) in a joint SINKEX (Sinking Exercise) held in the Java Sea on July 31, 2023. The event took place just a month after a decommissioned troop transport vessel was sunk by an Exocet during the Indonesian Navy (TNI AL) Exercise Armada Jaya (Great Armada) 2023."

[@Zhujac]

Yes don’t worry Chinese are dumb😂

[@jameslum8822]

Your lies are just not genuine.....🤣

[@nelsonpacheco8067]

Paid ccp propaganda

[@hagankeys3610]

And the 🤡keeping watching it.

[@Mgaming61]

piss off then

[@limk8994]

Someone's wetted its pants.🙈😵

[@k.k.c8670]

pagpag

[@siberiantiger1585]

and you are paid by the DPP to be a 1450 A-hole