China's Navy Neutralized the US EA-18G Growler

[@Millennium7HistoryTech]

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[@qake2021]

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[@leapdrive]

Another video from China’s propaganda department, to show China’s technology is up to par and their kill chain system is in place. All these of course are hype.

[@paghilumdihauy]

clearly a chinaaaa communist PAID FAN ...

[@tolson57]

It seems to me that the failure here was the crew or Chain of Command in the initial encounter in August 2022 that authorized the use of the EA-18 when there was no direct threat against a protected asset. From my 20 years in Naval Aviation, I know that we never use ECM or DECM systems in the presence of the enemy unless there is a direct threat. This is done to safeguard the technology to prevent exactly what we believed happened here. The only situation I can see where the CO would be fired in this scenario is if he either ordered the crew to go active or he failed to train the crew properly and they went active against their standing orders.

[@MGZetta]

Interacting with your competitor always gives them information in various degrees.

[@GeeWhy2]

Why fire him though? I feel like the Navy should be thanking him he found out about this deficiency ahead of an actual shooting match, no?

[@tannermurphree8247]

I think the whole story is fabricated. Never trust a communist.

[@ericThaBarbaric]

100% - Im glad someone else realizes employing EA on any ol' emitter we feel like EA'ing is not Navy SOP. When I was at sea doing something even close to this was a huge no-no. Like a taboo like deal to EWs. This is without a doubt a training issue, im sure that's why the CO was sacked. Most CO's of any command usually delegate training coordination to the XO so Im surprised we didnt hear about the XO being called to the carpet. They damn well should be.

[@tolson57]

@@GeeWhy2 It was not a deficient in 2022. By jamming the Chinese destroyer, and yes, in 2022 they were successful at jamming the destroyer, they were able to see exactly how our jamming worked and upgrade their systems so that it would not work the next time and they were successful. The jammer should have never been used unless we are at war. Think of it like baseball, if you have never seen a curveball, you have no idea how to hit it. Once you have seen 2 or three, you can hit it. The Navy gave the Chinese a free look at the curveball.

[@keeper2883]

I love this kind of analysis and connecting the dots. There’s a shadow game being played between the US and China that is as intriguing as it is scary.

[@thomgizziz]

Connecting the dots according to this dude's heavy biases... that isn't connecting the dots, that is making up a fiction.

[@thomas_jay]

@@thomgizziz I am not sure if he's biased. I have come to know one or two serviceman from the USA, and almost all of them believe in their absolute superiority (the armed forces that is). I'd rather err on the side of caution than to be caught unaware.

[@tubesandwood]

There are no dots to connect. Growler is electronic warfare aircraft, used for jamming or registering radar systems. Really not that difficult to figure out. 4 Supper Hornets escort one Growler. Captain of ship makes stupid decision and turns on targeting radar which is immediately recorded. Job done, planes leave. This is why Russian and American who have been doing this for decades, do not activate their search and targeting systems. You are not in danger of being attacked so no need to have a response. Then again, this guy sounds like a Russian, so the spin on the incident doesn't surprise me.

[@thomas_jay]

@@tubesandwood He's an Italian who is working in the UK. A russian accent sounds different.

[@timothychung4811]

​@@thomgizziz Bias or words you don't want to hear?

[@jawadkazmi5327]

The recent EA-18 Growler's AN/ALQ 249 video makes more sense now. By far the best technology and capability analysis one can find on KZbin. Cheers

[@Cue_D_ball]

Do you think this guy, with the cayenne, in a black shirt, knows what the fuck he’s talking about?

[@MilitaryTechNerd006]

Yep.

[@MilitaryTechNerd006]

​@@Cue_D_ball absolutely.

[@theotheleo6830]

@@Cue_D_ball What is your basis for your assumption that he doesn't?

[@zamoranyc]

@@Cue_D_ball Try just listening, what he wears doesn't matter.

[@jaromor8808]

"and as it landed... ...nothing happened" it shouldn't but it caught me off guard 😂

[@LanaaAmor]

Why? 😮

[@jaromor8808]

@@LanaaAmor Hello

[@MGZetta]

Yeah, I remember China was getting clowned and called "pussy" for not starting nuclear conflict. Lol.

[@LanaaAmor]

@@jaromor8808 hi 😊 you know me? 😮

[@Dordordord]

of course nothing would happen, you thought China is US and pelosi's plane is MH370?

[@damjanforjanic]

This is simply underestimating the opponent, we are not in 1990 anymore.

[@92HazelMocha]

There is still pervasive belief that China lags behind the US technologically by decades which is clearly untrue, we should be glad we're not in a hot war with China.

[@alpejohnson491]

Yes everyone down plays every other country except western technology because su-57 is bad and has bolts and rivets in it 😂😂😂

[@henrycarlson7514]

@@alpejohnson491 We Must Remember , The Chinese are NOT Stupid . I prefer to think that the Chinese were Spoofed

[@racing_mntage1584]

​@@alpejohnson491🙀🙀🙀😮🫢😲😭

[@rgloria40]

Old man leaks by the senior senior fake engineers diverting engineering jobs to pay for their health benefit and their..."perks."

[@HerrGesetz]

It's slightly absurd for the US to think it could maintain some sort of technology edge over China for any length of time. Chinese aren't stupid, they have more educated people, they have more industrial capacity. Look at the statistics of education, industry, population and there is only one conclusion the unbiased observer can draw.

[@GetOffMyyLawn]

And Taiwan is an independent country!

[@YourManifoldWorld]

A CCP paid propaganda comment.

[@harleydavidson4254]

​@@GetOffMyyLawnNot a country. Rogue province illegally occupied by the Losers in the Chinese Civil War.

[@katieevans6017]

It is completely absurd. China has focussed on education, universities, has a lot more electronic engineers, physicists etc and doesn't need to fund 750 overseas bases. There is no way the USA can beat China in technology anymore.

[@gomezgomez6299]

You are wrong about Gina is just a paper tiger . If not that at least it’s people . Technology wise, they are far from western standards

[@steelrad6363]

It is interesting they used their ECM in such a fashion . It gives their opponents an opportunity to examine the signals and techniques . Also these incidents occur more than is actually reported. Thank you for your video.

[@novaskies5538]

US being very provocative...it's like a phoney war already at this stage.

[@SNixD]

Yeah, if this is what happens it feels quite stupid. I don't know how US aircraft usually operate but in Swedish planes there is a "For war" switch that unless flipped limits the functionality of some systems precisely to avoid this type of development. On top of that, jamming the vessel or systems of another country in peace time is kind of questionable in the first place. It's the type of thing that newspapers write articles about when Russia does it.

[@volvo245]

ECM is rapidly evolving with parity opponents, US could use same tech and techniques against asymmetric opponents for decades, but against opponent that can rapidly analyze and adapt they have to be ready to do the same after every encounter or lose the EW battle.

[@paladro]

@@volvo245 apparently you've never heard of after action reports... before your speak/type, you should understand the landscape.

[@steelrad6363]

@@novaskies5538 Same thing happened in the cold war. so yes.

[@jackchiang7793]

This incident was discussed in Taiwan media by retired Taiwanese generals.

[@fatdoi003]

HK YT channels too...

[@lefty59th18]

That would be very interesting, do you have a link?

[@fatdoi003]

@@lefty59th18 kzbin.info/www/bejne/gYfLlI2al8t1qsU&ab_channel=%E6%96%B0%E6%BD%AE%E6%B0%91

[@fatdoi003]

@@lefty59th18 it starts around 1:15:00 kzbin.infoKVhcZdbfBtc?si=DArJoLVI0mp7a60V

[@erod19969]

This is the kind of story that I come to see. Reading between the lines. If true, this would explain the reason for the Navy's continued pursuit of the NGAD despite the high cost. They can not afford not to.

[@NorCalMoDo]

Even NGAD. Not sure if it is on par with the Chinese NGAD. Taxpayers spent a lot $ on Boeing and the likes....

[@impactodelsurenterprise2440]

You'd do well to not underestimate your near peer adversary.

[@RT-mm8rq]

Moves, counter moves I'm not seeing the problem. Potential adversaries learn each others strength and strategies and adjust accordingly. Most important is not to underestimate your opponent. Also don't always believe the propaganda no matter which side your leaning to.

[@farnarkleboy]

That last point is very often overlooked

[@Vicente-en2zx]

including this video?

[@ravissary79]

​@@Vicente-en2zxpresumably yes.

[@ericThaBarbaric]

smh...you dont see the problem? I guess the pilots didnt either. Why would you jam a warship of a country you're gearing up for conflict with before you are actually in the fight? Did these pilots help the US prepare for war with china by jamming a ship that they either knew or damn-well should've known had multiple chiCom SIGINT operators on board itching to try out their brand new superheterodyne semi-omni directional antennas designed for the sole purpose of receiving, analyzing, and then defeating aforementioned jamming signal. Tell me Sun Tzu, do you think this was more helpful to us or to the chinese? Please enlighten me.

[@ericThaBarbaric]

@@Vicente-en2zx I dont understand something - why is anyone giving this video the stinkeye like its trying to sell you a time-share? What propo do we think he's pushing? He just gave us the information, thats it. I dont even see HOW this incident could be used as propo in the first place....? #confused

[@henrikerdland578]

I guess that’s why the Growlers now will be updated with AN/ALQ-249 pods.

[@MardukTheSunGodInsideMe]

Woops, I guess he forgot to connect the dots on those pods being from the 1970's and an entirely new generation of pods are being deployed now.

[@salomaonplanetsaturn]

​@@MardukTheSunGodInsideMe ? He talked about it 🤓

[@accountantthe3394]

​@@MardukTheSunGodInsideMesomeone didn't watch the video 😂

[@eltonlewis4979]

chinese are technology leaders.......... they will counter that in no time

[@ryszardfalkowski7917]

​@MardukTheSunGodInsideMe There is a video he made on the new pods.

[@fatdoi003]

some say electronics at homes in Philippines were affected.... showed how much energy was involved.....

[@xuansu9036]

They also say the radar weather system in Hainan and Guangdong province of China had displayed purple clouds indicating heavy snowfall in the region.

[@mrmateph729]

@@fatdoi003 it was sraid that there was a massive blackout in the northern part of the Philippines for about 12 hrs when that incident happened but it was not in the local news...probably pressured by the Big Daddy not to broadcast it.

[@tarmacpounder785]

@@mrmateph729 big power outages in Luzon are no longer news.

[@MrBdoleagle]

I love how you digged into these, and connected pieces of info/news from multiple different sources, and presented whole story. really good analysis.

[@dyong888]

The PLA got an intelligence bonanza in that encounter. They also got to test their new 055 Destroyer against that yankee growler and the PLA came out on TOP.

[@Jonasbarbury]

And by the time they developed on that data we'll be half a generation ahead of that tech. You're always playing catch up😅

[@dyong888]

@@Jonasbarbury Wrong. Amerika's the one playing catch up. You yankees are rushing to put in your "next gen" spy radar. China is years ahead.

[@GelloMello-j9z]

​@@dyong888 how are you able to conclude that the Chinese are years ahead

[@yeeteckteo6579]

And again, informative, impartial and objective. Insofar as objectivity is possible. I don't mind the clicky baity video titles, they liven things up.

[@aramisone7198]

If the EW didnt work it was nutralized its a EW plane the Growler.

[@Redbaron1006-warthunder]

@@aramisone7198 The pod itself wasn't affective because it was already outdated the AN/ALQ-99 was made in the 1970s and modernized to a certain extent with its analog system

[@fermd83]

And don't forget the introduction of the AN/ALQ-249. It could be perfectly the 4th missing leg to make this history plausible.

[@RENO_K]

That is true, this incident might be the reason for such a push 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

[@ericThaBarbaric]

@@RENO_K EW systems take decades to develop. I highly doubt one thing has anything to do with the other.

[@Dordordord]

Sounds like you have enough GaN to mass produce it?😂😂😂

[@kermittoad]

Wtf are you on about AN/ALQ-249 started development in 2016.

[@SaxyPlayer96]

I feel like this is a counter, not a neutralization. More jammers would still be effective, they were just outnumbered by emitters.

[@vinc-0127]

yea but the EA 18 was supposed to have a system that wouldnt be affected by other emitters

[@alpejohnson491]

That is neutrality

[@motmontheinternet]

@@vinc-0127 No it isn't, you just made that up.

[@novaskies5538]

so next time US brings out more growlers, and China brings out more destroyers...they're pumping them out like dumplings these days

[@itsmederek1]

@@vinc-0127 What does that even mean wtf

[@angelaferkel7922]

I dont know how people say its "clickbait" because thats literally what happened. The Growler is an EW warplane and its main purpose and task has completely failed, thereby it was "neutralized" Doesnt have to get shot down or anything, we would know about this anyway by now Great video as always

[@alexnderrrthewoke4479]

Its because american exceptionalism

[@ZIGZAGBureauofInvestigation]

@@alexnderrrthewoke4479

[@fatdoi003]

nearly all were brainwashed that chinese only makes tofu

[@556m4]

@@angelaferkel7922 Because it’s a “trust me bro” type of story. You’ll learn.

[@Boogie-Actual]

Oh you stupid fool. You stupid, stupid fool.

[@Johnwashere-dt2ov]

“There is no greater danger than underestimating your opponent”. Lao Tzu.

[@thomgizziz]

Guess what the US never does. But china has a long history of lying about their tech and prowess and yet what does this channel do every single time? Blindly believe china who are historical liars and then under estimate the US when the US historically gives out under estimated claims. Then we have an audience that just listens and believes the nonsense because they either are ignorant on the topic or they dislike the US.

[@yeeteckteo6579]

And that is exactly why war is coming. America very carelessly believes that defeating China will be a walk in the park so there's no need for restraint. Just look at the so many of the posters here.

[@cheungchingtong]

Shit! Our wisdom leaked!

[@tonyc5384]

@@cheungchingtong It leaked hundreds of years ago, you just noticed? 🤪

[@tyronelowe7090]

I think your knowledge is worth a lot of money to many countries that need a military resources advisor. But then again we don't want to lose your entertaining videos on these valuable technical secrets...... Hope your book does well.

[@RomanBartocci]

I can’t overstate how great your channel is … props

[@James-rl5tj]

Hey i remember the comment that brought this up from a week or two ago. You did your homework quick! Great video.

[@antoniohagopian213]

The "growler" got growled away.

[@crtteng]

Lesson learned: let them have Pelosi next time.

[@cbhlde]

Well, you already have Otis as a legend. ;)

[@ExtremeUnction1988]

I actually really like Otis. 😂

[@cbhlde]

@@ExtremeUnction1988 Me, too! :)

[@novaskies5538]

This is why I subscribe and keep coming back to your channel..

[@thomgizziz]

So you can watch him make up a fiction that fits his bias which also confirms your biases?

[@novaskies5538]

@@thomgizziz cope some more, your immaturity is only matched by your butt hurt.

[@pro-gy4nc]

This guy is cool, because he is knowledgeable and very well researched! Keep it up

[@carniv0rous]

look forward to your videos everytime, and everytime they dont disappoint. bravo!

[@sohrabroozbahani4700]

The old lesson:" we cannot afford to underestimate our enemy..." will be very useful to keep in mind these days...

[@mistermiau9949]

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[@wingmay8571]

I am an engineer and working for a high tech aviation company since 1991. Most of my co-workers are Asian and we are highly educated professionals. China has more engineers and they are working harder than the Americans engineers. Also, China spends more $$$ in R&D. As a result Chinese military overtake the electronic warfare from America. 😢sadly, in China, engineers don't get paid very much. I have to stay here for the bigger $$$😂

[@TrangleC]

Yet China isn't even able to successfully copy Russian jet engines and did you know that there never has been a domestically developed internal combustion engine coming out of China? Not one. Not even a 2-stroke lawn mower engine. That is why they are pushing electrical vehicles so much. They aren't capable of developing their own combustion engines. It seems crazy and unbelievable, them being "the factory of the world" and whatnot, but it is true.

[@MeditationNow123]

Everyone has their own beliefs and choices. Many Chinese people are willing to sacrifice some of their own interests for the sake of the country. This is the spirit of collectivism. Chinese culture has relied on this spirit to endure for thousands of years.

[@clive3490]

china spends more on industrial espionage and IP theft than it does on R&D

[@92HazelMocha]

​@@MeditationNow123I think most countries could benefit from that mindset.

[@ZincFold]

Cost of living is a hell of alot cheaper in China.

[@mSparks43]

the russians probably did this in the black sea a few years ago, something cook was the name of the US ship.

[@apolloaero]

That story was a hoax, not even RT nor Sputnik picked it up.

[@bobsmith3983]

USS Donald Cook (DDG-75).

[@superbeingp-vortex8610]

I like this vid very much because of all the dug up and filter facts. Will follow it.

[@MotoMarios]

Aahh so you made a video out of it (remember our discussion?)!! Thanks! I've got to say I'm amazed at the depth you researched the whole thing.

[@ijoseluis]

It's me thanking you for this very interesting video. I appreciate your careful and rigourous reasoning.

[@anotherone8805]

Electronic warfare interactions are always so secretive.

[@kotor1892]

Another great video from Millenium 7!

[@LordAlacorn]

Excellent video as always! I hope technological parity will prevent any hot conflicts in foreseen future.

[@jyy9624]

Hahahaha

[@Redbaron1006-warthunder]

Technological parity? 😂😂😂 The Pod that was used by the Growler was tech from the 1970s! AN/ALQ-99 was used and the Chinese countered the Jammer! WOW they finally managed to counter technology made in 1972!

[@wilgoos63]

Excellent video as always. Love how you clearly differentiate between what you know and what you think. There is nothing wrong with speculating. The difference between good and bad analysis is that good analysis makes clear what if speculation and what is fact. Bad analysis pretends the speculation is fact. The latter it s very common on the internet.

[@yaoypl]

No empire lasts forever.

[@jonathanaustinstern1]

The CCP has a demographic problem

[@Cue_D_ball]

Christianity! Judaism! Hinduism! Buddhism! NOT Islam!

[@lactusgalacto1174]

@@Cue_D_ball Many of this religions are warmongers and idol worshiping nation just like the ancient empires of the past.

[@YoniBaruch-y3m]

Try telling that to the Chinese empire. They may agree, but only if the heat death of the universe comes first.

[@Cuck_life]

America will be a super power 20 years from now. The people who claim Americas collapsing never tell you how its going to collpase just that it is. They will point to homeless people and crime without realizing that crime is actually down and more money than ever is spent on homeless people. America has problems but nothing that cant be fixed. America is still leading the world in immigartion. The best and brightest people still come here and have kids and the cycle continues. China has next to know immigration and a declining population.

[@emperor_sunshine]

Thank you very much for making this video :)

[@derrychen6923]

type 055 such a beauty

[@alexsnemos]

you can eat one more grain of rice now. The comunist dictator likes you

[@Wvk5zc]

@@alexsnemos type 055 such a beauty

[@bikenavbm1229]

just spotted quarter of a mill subs well deserved too, congrats.

[@Millennium7HistoryTech]

Thanks but it is 125k

[@bikenavbm1229]

@@Millennium7HistoryTech oops🙈

[@faleiria]

Impossible means : we have not yet done it!

[@andreahighsides7756]

We have not yet done it*

[@faleiria]

@ thanks for your help!

[@SafaDave]

Thanks for the breakdown and you answered some miss conceptions that I had.

[@thomgizziz]

More than half of the video was him "filling in gaps" which all the gaps he "filled in" were in favor of china. Just because somebody made something up that you have never heard before doesn't mean that they are telling you the truth. This guy is literally making up stuff to fit his anti american bias and you are thanking him for lying to you.

[@jaybruce593]

Two things struck me while watching this video, one being if there exists the capability to form a kill web that circumvents electronic warfare at sea, surely it'd only be a matter of time before this paradigm is transferred to air and more importantly land based systems, making the wild weasel SEAD mission much more difficult in future? The other thing was, surely the US also gained intel out of this exchange, as I'd like to think that the growler's EW systems took back data showing where they were target from, what frequency bands were used to obtain the lock etc?

[@fatdoi003]

so you think it's only u.s side gain on this encounter?

[@92HazelMocha]

I'm sure intel was obtained, however it's much harder to develop ECM than ECCM, which is why jamming systems are always state secrets. Nations don't usually *know* there's a disparity between foreign ECM and their own ECCM which is what makes it so powerful. As we saw, once the disparity is known and the opportunity to analyze it presents itself, it does not take a long time to develop a countering strategy.

[@suisinghoraceho2403]

You can be sure it is definitely already on land. The question is whether the system is mobile. Also, did the Chinese do this with or without an AWACS in the air? If they managed without, that’s even more worrisome.

[@CoComator]

@@92HazelMocha Why would ECM be harder to develope than ECCM?

[@anchorread68]

eg: S-400 is networked, hence the kill web has been implemented on the ground.

[@javierspilere8257]

Super interesting as usual, Thanks!

[@Shubham-1999]

Was it carrying new jammer you discussed in last video ?

[@Millennium7HistoryTech]

Probably not

[@EpistemicResponsibility4All]

When one Cmdr. gets the ax in one navy, (possibly scapegoated) another Commander gets honored in another navy.

[@larry4fire]

My understanding is CEC uses a robust data link to fuse sensor data from multiple networked sources to produce weapons grade targeting data. Your explanation of how the Chinese did this in the EW sector makes sense and adds credence to the notion that the Chinese have the capability to develop high tech weapons. “There is no greater danger than underestimating your opponent.” ― Lao Tzu

[@ericThaBarbaric]

You do realize the US Navy implemented sensor fusion on board ships since at least the 1980s, right?

[@Euroasiagazzette1212]

US bet on paper lion (India) is costing it now... UK suffered with talkitive policies of an Indian pm and US is on her way for suffering. RIP...

[@Real_Claudy_Focan]

Lot of insecured people who downvoted !

[@JHS270694]

When the self hype becomes self delusion, you get emotional responses to something they don't like rather than simply being rational and accepting objective info for what it is.

[@556m4]

I think they downvoted because it was clickbaity. No evidence at all was presented. I can say I flew up the stairs last night and as long as I get one person to repeat the story it makes it plausible ? I hope not.

[@zsydeepsky2]

@@556m4 the video offered "3 coincedences" to backup the story, yet it's still an "evidence-less clickbait". I feel bad for author.😂

[@BOZ_11]

It's the same segment of people who insist Russia lost the Ukraine war. They throw RT in your face whilst believing in fairy tales, completely ironic

[@SumTingWong888]

@@zsydeepsky2They got a unanimous small sausage upvote.

[@Sethgolas]

EW is a really opaque thing to analyze from outside. EA-18s have a lot of different EW functions. It could be that China wanted to demonstrate a capability and the USN wanted to verify that that China had developed that capability. In practice it's not a binary between "jammed" and "not jammed". China is modernizing, and a part of modernization means developing more jam resistant radars. The USN will have to use different systems and tactics to counter those capabilities compared to their older kit. We don't really know anything about how this would translate into an actual war scenario, or what capabilities either side aren't willing to display.

[@ZincFold]

Great video, thanks! China’s Navy used advanced AI radar to counter the Growler's jamming, showing their impressive electronic warfare tech that kept radar lock on U.S. planes. Their radar has cognitive intelligent features, sensing the environment and neutralizing the jamming. Such encounters could be why the U.S. is imposing chip bans on China, to slow their tech progress. I think the PLA has had these capabilities for a while. Nicolas Chaillan, who resigned in 2021, noted the slow pace of U.S. AI development compared to China. He mentioned the U.S. wouldn’t be able to compete in 15-20 years, and described some U.S. cyber defenses as being at kindergarten level. Fascinating stuff overall. China has made significant strides and shouldn't be underestimated.

[@ericThaBarbaric]

You might be reading a little too much into this.

[@moorishwarrior341]

​@@ericThaBarbaricand that's what all the delusionalist says

[@Freedom_from_imp]

​@@ericThaBarbaricyou may not be taking your enemies seriously enough. That could be a mistake. Never underestimate your opponent.

[@Tony-cs5hq]

Once again, thank you for exellently put together video! It is also wery amusing to read this comment section after this kind of topick 😅👍

[@thomgizziz]

More than half of the video was him "filling in gaps" which all the gaps he "filled in" were in favor of china. Just because somebody made something up that you have never heard before doesn't mean that they are telling you the truth. This guy is literally making up stuff to fit his anti american bias and you are thanking him for lying to you.

[@jtjames79]

AI inference takes vastly less processing power than filters. The entire point is that you don't filter anything, so you're not losing any signal. AI is that good. It's exactly the kind of problem it's good at.

[@CoComator]

That said: The better the SNR of a signal the easier it gets for AI to make sense of it. So yes, filtering still helps a lot but once a neural net is trained it requires less raw computing power than traditional algorithms.

[@jtjames79]

@CoComator Filtering does the opposite of help. AI can pull out signals the filtering kills. That's exactly why a lot of astronomers are going back to use AI on old data. It can find things the filters destroy. You're partially correct. There's a couple of motion amplification Fourier transforms that make it easier for one of your AI agents to do tracking, but that's something you can do on an esp32. For everything else, you just want to give it the raw data. And by it I mean an entire organisations of small agents that fit on portable hardware. The software just came out last week. If I had a radar I could be training LoRAs on my home hardware.

[@CoComator]

@@jtjames79 That makes sense when you do not know what kind of signal you are looking for like in astronomy but with radar signals you in general know the principle spectrum used and out of band emissions will be so weak that they basically can not be detected anyways, unless the developers f***ed up. And I would asume that its not possible to train AI "on the fly" (in this case literally) in real time so you need to train it first, right?

[@jtjames79]

@CoComator AI is pulling things out of signals that we didn't know was possible to pull out of signals. Unknown unknowns. You're not asking the right questions is the only reason you're not getting the right answers. Also you will get between 5 and 15% better results if you simply say please on each inference. I've seen preliminary results, to say it's astounding is an understatement. Llm to llm when allowed to optimize communication, is literally the best compression ever seen, and indistinguishable from encryption. They can naturally integrate unknown unknowns from every sensor they have access to. The Chinese have some of the best models in the world. And they are way ahead in integration and deployment. It's not even programming. Well it's very little programming. It's just logic structures, and prompt magic. I say magic because nobody knows why it works. Only that it does work.

[@sachmo0196]

Very interesting. Steath Drone Swarm on ship (18's carry), onboard nav (can't jam)...internal cam, goes after, what it see's. Recognizes and prioritizes targets.

[@herrfugbaum8978]

It all sounds a bit exaggerated to me. Of course you can neutralize a jammer. It depends on the transmission power of the jammer and the jammed radar, as well as the size of the target to be cloaked. In this case, a fighter jet. This then results in a distance at which the jamming transmitter fails. It is self-explanatory that a warship ultimately has the upper hand in such a “brute force” competition. MWs vs kWs. The Americans don't have any "wonderweapons" either...

[@staplez1055]

You are correct, but the US sells the EA-18G growler as a wunderwaffle that can't be jammed. So while you are correct, that honestly this is nothing special because the US doesn't actually have wunderwaffles, what this reveals is that US claims of wunderwaffles is no different than Russia's. It has to make you ask, what else are they making up.

[@yuey0602]

in theory you are right, the physic law is there. but in practice, any other example you can give us? a high school student know how a nuclear bomb works, now how many country in the world have the ability to actually produce it?

[@ATORO1]

It is not about the brute force according to the video. Growler was successful blinding 'targeted' ship's radar but non-targeted other ships provided radar coverage to the blinded ship by the network and the blinded ship was able to target the growler squadron using provided network radar data. So growler's jamming method was effective against non-networked target to begin with. Which was effective against chinese navy up untill now but now US knows chinese navy acquired networked data capability. Which was expected to be happening in sometime anyway. It is new development by nothing unexpected.

[@herrfugbaum8978]

@@staplez1055 Of course they're advertising their weapons as "best in the world". Every company does that. It's called marketing. The undefeatable wonderweapon thing is imo mainly created by other forces. Not by the arms industry.

[@lorenzcassidy3960]

@@staplez1055 I hope you'll forgive my nitpicking, but it's "wunderwaffe" (plur. "wunderwaffen"). 🙂

[@javiermendez9365]

The US needs to stop watching Topgun. Seriously, the world is changing

[@mcal27]

Maybe this is why the ALQ-99 is being replaced on the Growlers?

[@vulgar_potato4992]

Most likely, if our current doesn’t work then we need to replace/upgrade.

[@USA-CIA-NED_ProxyDeathSquadOps]

ALQ-99 upgrades for EA-18G Growlers were done back in 2021, so, it should have worked they were lower powered, but added more spectrum bandwidth on the higher frequency range

[@Jackalhit]

Unlikely, but could be decreasing the deployment timeline. The ALQ-99 was introduced in 1972. The first of the new AN/ALQ-249 was tested in 2022, meaning it was already in dev for a while, and the first production pod was delivered in July 2023, for mid-band jamming. Looks like they're still in the research and manufacturing phase for the low-band jamming component. So the question is, did this Growler in the incident that may or may not have happened receive one of the new pods, and a few other questions that probably only have classified answers. :P

[@ericThaBarbaric]

Yeah - they ordered it from Temu.

[@novaskies5538]

I have very little confidence in the US MIC. They have been corrupt and protected monopolies for so long, they no longer know how to build anything that works.

[@Native_love]

11:34 OODA? Please don't become one of those technical KZbin channels where you have to pause and lookup the acronym every few minutes. Excellent video! Thank you!

[@peterweller8583]

Thanks. Oops I guess I dropped my knickers.

[@reyx236]

They can adapt very quickly. This is something to take into account very seriously. It means the chinese cannot be underestimated.

[@pilgrim8610]

Excelent as always thanks alot sir❤

[@nasosst3092]

Signiore.... Thanks again for this excellent video. It is obvious that your impartial vue won't get through the commentariat... Hélas mon cher

[@watcher3599]

Better to have found out now instead of during a future conflict. EW world is always a back and forth EW Counter Measure...Counter-Counter Measure and so on and so on.

[@ericThaBarbaric]

no its not. you only use EA in war...i dont know why everyone in the comments here seem to think ships are out at sea all day and night just doing circles in the water jamming each other and playin grab ass all day.

[@novaskies5538]

@@ericThaBarbaric You know, the war is already on. If China had failed, US would have kept pressing...as it is, US has been keeping their carrier battle groups far away since this incidence. coincidence?

[@m4rvinmartian]

*Excellent and informative analysis.* *Your accent is darn thick, but the information makes up for the difficulty of understanding.*

[@GarfieldRex]

Bet the Growlers won't show off again when receive the new jam units xd

[@keithnoneya]

All radars if the aircraft are close enough can have a hard time jamming a radar without actually overpowering it and damaging the intended radar receiver. This is often refereed to as Burn Through when the intended Radar that is to be jammed increases it's power and overcomes the jamming signal. It can still be jammed but only with a very powerful Jamming signal. This is very rare in actual combat because aircraft typically don't get that close to an enemy radar on purpose. An EA18-Growler getting that close is for show and intelligence gathering of the intended radar, and in some cases give false intelligence of jamming techniques to your enemy. If the Chinese turned up their radars, that's very useful info on the radars possible range capabilities. Also jamming an enemy ships fire control radar can be misconstrued as an act of war or intent to fire on that vessel or position. So the Commanding Officer being relieved of command due to lack of confidence for controlling and ensuring the rules of engagement were not adhered to is not uncommon. I too am curious what happened to the crew of the Growler. I'm sure there was a lot of yelling and discipline action being taken after that dust settled. Basically his pilots caused an international incident with a known aggressor complicating an already tense situation. Very interesting video, loved it. Best Prayers & Blessings. Keith Noneya

[@mccoybyz1099]

Military technology is and always had been largely a cat and mouse game. EW is a ever evolving offensive and defensive system and one incident isn't enough to prove anything one way or the other. Lastly don't forget that the growler is in the midst of getting new and improved jamming pods! Also we must stop assuming Chinese hardware is inferior to its Western military counterparts. Some may be but others may not, we cannot afford to underestimate the enemy.

[@thomgizziz]

But this youtuber is just filling in the gaps and all the gaps seem to always go in favor of anybody who isn't the USA. It is almost like the creator is biased against the USA and is pretty much running a propaganda channel inadvertently due to his biases.

[@dexlab7539]

Great video and informative

[@michaelb247]

What is the USA doing in the South China Sea anyway, the USA is 10,000 miles away, what is the USA frightened of? Yeah, if a Chinese ship were sailing up the Mississippi River, then OK, gwet yer guns out, but 10,000 miles away? - it couldn't be the USA is spoiling for a fight could it?

[@prfwrx2497]

Tell me you don't understand the importance of upholding freedom of navigation, without telling me you don't understand it.

[@HeidiKernstad]

@@prfwrx2497So Chinese and Russian warships sailing 50 miles off the Coast of Florida is also “freedom of navigation” and perfectly fine, right?

[@nasosst3092]

​@@prfwrx2497it's interesting though that the US is spending billions every year to ensure "freedom of navigation" thousand of miles away from its western costal waters. This in a closed sea where the largely grand percentage of shipping goes in and out of China bro.

[@chrisknight880]

​@@HeidiKernstadYes

[@nasosst3092]

@@HeidiKernstad Times are a changin dear

[@richarddobreny6664]

All that effort to protect a criminal…. That’s criminal

[@erwinlee2842]

What were the American doing in Chinese backyard?

[@williamho1976]

The whole world is our backyard.

[@YoniBaruch-y3m]

“Chinese back yard” doesn’t belong to China 🇨🇳. People there are free to choose other friends; it’s called national sovereignty.

[@novaskies5538]

@@williamho1976 That's what Spain thought, what England thought....until one day it isn't

[@MultiVeeta]

​@@novaskies5538 it still is Britain's backyard. The UK still has the 2nd most global projection Navy in the World.

[@Truthstelling]

​@@williamho1976love your honesty😂😂😂😂

[@GeneEndicott-j7s]

Outstanding Video

[@shaider1982]

Perhaps this is why the large jamming pod discussed in a previous video is being fas-tracked.

[@jasonneugebauer5310]

This video shows that it is hard to maintain technical dominance in the battlefield with the current level of open source information sufficient for animation of any force. War is becoming so advanced that technical escalation can make the battlefield too deadly to conduct operations and so rules of engagement must be established between the combatant forces. I think this highlights the need for MAD to prevent one country or another from using a surprise attack to completely disable another in a short period.

[@jimrobcoyle]

Hail the algorithm! 😉

[@etbuch4873]

The story is fascinating enough to make into the Hollywood, and scoop big over Netflex.

[@calexico66]

Electronic warfare is a game of knowing in which frequencies the other side is using, and on what frequencies their sensors are vulnerable to interference. Why do you think Americans keep sending sigint planes in the South China sea and near the Chinese maritime borders. The Americans made the mistake of getting too cocky and showed their game, the PLA adapted. The thing is that the US has been too dominant for a long time in this domain, but hasn't adjusted to the fact that others are catching up or getting better. But at the same time, they can't show all of their game. One thing in particular that is often forgotten, in terms of arms control treaties and de-escalation in the 90s and until 2012 the US avoided development of weapon systems that forced others into an arms race. That happened with hypersonic weapons, ECM and EW systems, many systems were kept for longer than usual. Even if there were some upgrades, countries like Russia and China were developing new capabilities. As the war in Ukraine has shown, and the PLA harassment near Taiwan shows as well.

[@johnsullivan8673]

Really? Is that why Ballistic Missile Defense happened? Lol.

[@calexico66]

@johnsullivan8673 given that the program has been a massive drain in resources, with only a very limited number of interceptors that are handcrafted. I don't think that makes a sufficient dent on the balance of power, unless people are overconfident and very stupid. THAD program has been better, but it is a theater defense system and cost wise it can be more easily saturated. And if you can check on the building up of intermediate missile systems from Russia, China and Iran it's easier to see what their response was. But here we have a chicken and the egg problem, it's clear that from the time of the second Golf war that various countries were building up their arsenal of ballistic missiles. At some point it's just stupid not to start development of effective defense measures. Remember, missiles don't grow on trees they need to be developed, tested and built on scale. And that takes time, and on their current levels in arsenals these need to be planned, budgeted ahead of time. And that's a decision that is done before any missile defense system is deployed.

[@indentifiantalacon52]

The tie is class !!!!

[@winelive5500]

The US (and Australia) have rushed through the scheduled update to the jammer since the incident. Be interesting to know if it’s still beatable by the Chinese

[@92HazelMocha]

It likely won't be nearly as effective as the current jammers were before they were analyzed by the Chinese. We overplayed our hand big time.

[@alhkcblack9617]

They will update the jammers but the Chinese anticipated that and will come out with new measures as well next time. Now that they've reached a parity level it isn't about catch up anymore and they're using a huge amount of engineers and rapid industrial deployment coupled with AI just as advanced as the US... How will it go in the future? you get the idea.

[@thomgizziz]

Sure they did... because you said so. I can't find any evidence that anything is being rushed.

[@thomgizziz]

@@alhkcblack9617 Awww look at the little child going around shouting how their team is the best team with no actual proof just seething and cope, just like this channel.

[@andrewlim7751]

The Chinese are mass producing the aesa radar production big time, civil aviation and even temples are being installed with the latest ones for weather forecasting, this is called industrial power output.

[@Native_love]

Stuff of legends? Just like YOU! Much love to the aeronautical genius from the USA!❤👍🏻🇺🇲

[@lqr824]

13:18 I'm curious what the source for all the information you share about the encounter was. EG: how do we know the growler turned on jammers, how do we know the Chinese ship could continue tracking them? You imply it was a situation where continued tracking wasn't to be expected, but is that known for certain? More specifically, what would make us think that radar (or set of radars if multi-band) should not be able to track that flight when they had that specific jammer mode on at that range, etc. etc.? I also wouldn't expect a Growler to use full-strength ECM in peace-time (so as to not "tip our hand" as to what our capabilities might be in war) and likewise for the Chinese: if they could actually track now at previously impossible ranges, why would they make that public? That'd be a great secret for THEM to keep, so as not to "tip their hand." To be clear I'm not questioning any part of the story, I'm just saying I'd like to see sources and very specific details, and I totally do not understand why either side would announce their capabilities in the fashion I think you're describing.

[@Stratigoz]

American boys and their ''sources'' when they don't like a story.

[@Cue_D_ball]

EA sports.

[@lqr824]

@@Stratigoz First, what makes you think I don't like the story? If it's true, it describes China revealing a capability to us in peacetime that will now not surprise us in wartime, and then going into detail about it in an unclassified setting! This is GREAT news for anyone who might ever have to fight China: that they can't keep a secret and instead brag about specific capabilities in interviews at award ceremonies, and other information that only could have been known by people on the boat is suddenly totally public. VERY cool.

[@suisinghoraceho2403]

@@lqr824 One calculation on the Chinese side might be deterrence. They want the Americans to have more worries and keep a further distance in future encounters, hence the tipping of hand. Whether that is wise is a separate matter.

[@lqr824]

@@Stratigoz > American boys and their ''sources'' when they don't like a story. I like the story fine. It's cool that the US's #1 international worry is revealing their technology allowing us to plan ways to counter it. I'm just asking how we know all this, is all.

[@gophercure-self]

Looking forward to you covering the Zhuhai airshow!

[@henli-rw5dw]

Because the 055 has extremely long range due to hypersonic missile. If you can't jam it, then it means your fleet will be constantly locked while in range. And if you can't jam it then, you can't prevent the missiles from locking you once launched. Because of this, there hasn't been any direct conflict between the two sides.

[@thomgizziz]

There hasn't been direct conflict between russia and the US... does that mean it is because one side isn't better? We know that russia, proven through the ukraine war, would have no chance but still no conflict. So your logic breaks down and we are left with the fact that you have a severe bias here.

[@henli-rw5dw]

@@thomgizziz But there is a war between US and Russia. Look at all the US weapons to Ukraine. US can easily tell Taiwan to declare independence and get one started in Asia. The reason it hasn't is the difficulty of traversing that water to provide support to Taiwan.

[@henli-rw5dw]

@@thomgizziz Keep in mind that US media is basically an echo chamber with no alternative views. So anything they say is probably already 70-80% false to begin with. It's much more accuracy to judge by results. And the reality is that US fleet has avoided the area whenever there is any drills or escalation.

[@ericThaBarbaric]

@@thomgizziz Proven through the ukraine war that they would have no chance? Do you think Ukraine is winning this war? You cant possibly think that aligns with reality do you? But you accuse others of being biased?

[@blackknight5427]

Lol the US lost to afgan rebel in AK-47 and scandals, stop dreaming u can beat Russia n China @@thomgizziz

[@theperson5185]

I think I was there for the comment chain that peaked your interest in this incident

[@seanlcs]

Paying the price of bravado act by Pelosi?

[@92HazelMocha]

Someone she's still in office, even though they fired the Navy personnel.

[@suisinghoraceho2403]

Pretty sure both parties would have approved her visit. The Republic of China is a very important ally in the Pacific Theatre. Still, didn’t make it a smart move or accomplish much with it.

[@A_Haunted_Pancake]

I somewhat doubt Pelosi came up with & punched that thing through single handedly.

[@seanlcs]

@@A_Haunted_Pancake maybe she has more stakes in the stock market that benefits from conflicts

[@seanlcs]

@@suisinghoraceho2403 Isn't the first nor the last mistake

[@ryklatortuga4146]

The Royal Flying Corp approves of the name "Growler" Woof!

[@davidk6269]

Thank you for this very intriguing and informative upload! If your theory is correct, this indeed is concerning for the US. The recent Israeli air strike (supported by the US) into Iran which some sources (this is controversial) claim to have been partially aborted when F-35 stealth fighters encountered "heretofore unknown" air defense radar systems would add to this concerning trend of developments for the US. I'm curious to see what future counter-measures the US will undertake.

[@Null-o7j]

Source on this?

[@ajmaeenmahtab8456]

​@@Null-o7j I also heard Scott Ryder saying this.

[@davidk6269]

@@Null-o7j See analysis by Alistair Crooke

[@thomgizziz]

More than half of the video was him "filling in gaps" which all the gaps he "filled in" were in favor of china. Just because somebody made something up that you have never heard before doesn't mean that they are telling you the truth. This guy is literally making up stuff to fit his anti american bias and you are thanking him for lying to you.

[@thomgizziz]

@@Null-o7j "I MADE IT THE F&*$ UP"

[@chrisviaegnatia4347]

Legendary, thank you

[@Stratigoz]

The american copium in the comments is amazing.😁😁

[@Networkguyinsavannah]

...and you are not as good in a real battle as your propaganda builds you all up to be. Big difference between taking orders vs taking initiative. WWII showed that fact and the results speak for themselves!

[@z_actual]

this channel is special

[@Fuz2yman]

Honestly i think it's a good thing that China is catching up. The more equal two armies are the less likely they are to fight... Armies usually fight only when one side has a big advantage or a perceived big advantage. As a commander i doubt you would engage an enemy that has a good chance of defeating you, unless you had no choice.

[@sdfopsdmsdofjmp7863]

That is only true if the more powerful army has an interest in fighting. China getting closer to the US is a terrible thing because China has an incentive to start a regional war and the US does not. The US is happy with the current state of affairs in the South China sea and East Asia more broadly. It has massive interests in Taiwanese chip manufacturing, Chinese, Korean and Japanese industrial output and more broadly just the freedom of trade in the region. Any disruption to the free trade would risk disrupting the trade networks the US benefits so much from. The US does not want war. China is the country with an incentive to start a conflict. It wants Taiwan and it wants to break the ability for America and it's allies to fully disrupt their trade networks. Meanwhile the US simply wants stable trade relations in the East. China building up their armed forces on makes it more realistic that they could end up winning; thus war becomes significantly more likely. The most peaceful scenario is one where the US has a serious military advantage over China, because China is the power that has incentives to break the peace. If China is a major disadvantage, they have no ability to start a war, thus the region is sure to remain stable.

[@cubed0724]

It's not a good thing, China's a communist country who believes all lands adjacent to it belong to China. The PLA might be catching up to the US tech gap but is still far behind.

[@Fuz2yman]

@@sdfopsdmsdofjmp7863 I agree that there should be more free trade, but unfortunately the US doesnt want that, look at all the tarifs and trade wars it is starting..., that just gives China an excuse / force it to split off from the west... Which might lead more reason for a conflict to spark/escalate. Imo US should open up more trade with China and go back to how it was before, to make the countries even more interdependent, combine that with 2 powerful militaries and it would be extremely stupid to start a war since everyone looses too much... Maybe i am wrong, but it just sounds wrong to me to try to split up the world more with trade wars and tarifs, i am really not sure the US is trying to make free trade, since they are the ones starting with all the trade wars and bans on chips etc

[@sdfopsdmsdofjmp7863]

@@Fuz2ymanThe tariffs are mostly political pandering by Trump. The amount of tariffs the man is claiming to want to put on China are ridiculous and no sane person believes they are realistic. Trump is an absolute clown, but he isn't THAT stupid. Trump will probably put some tariffs on China, call it a day, then say he was hard on China. China will not split off from the west ebcause China is dependent on the west, just as the west is dependent on China. Even if the tariffs are bad, they aren't something China would start a war over. Even if everything Trump says is true, a trade war is better than a shooting war. China will not split off from the west because China is dependent on the west, just as the west is dependent on China. Realistically China is still a much larger threat to stability in the region than the US and a bigger army will only wignificantly worsen that by emboldening China to ignite a war. There hasn't been a major war in the region since 1973. Why would the US suddenly want a war there now. If anything the US has only ever been attempting to keep it stbale since the end of the Korean war.

[@yeeteckteo6579]

But America doesn't know that China is catching up fast. It believes it will win any war with China easily, and that leads to a lack of restraint. See all the angry people here who think America will simply crush China? That's why there will be war

[@JoaoFranciscoFigueiredo]

Ottis did he tortured you to extract the data? I didn't see you interrupting in this theory!? Otis, please I need your wisdom on this topic, is a software update on the pods enough to change the firing sequence and direction from the Arrays of the tiny antennas to gain the jamming capability again until the ship system adapts again? Are we fighting against Borg shields from Star Trek ( to keep it easy to understand) That's is indeed information that no one else is talking about it not even that Guy on sandbox, nice channel too. Sir, thank you.

[@nekomakhea9440]

7:17 If the mission was to get close enough to read the hull number, and it was close enough to see the missile hatches (which are smaller), then it wasn't neutralized, it accomplished its mission and left before it caused an international incident. Neither side was using their wartime reserve EW modes, because it's not wartime, so we don't know which side would have won that fight if it were for real. USN (perhaps foolishly) revealed too much about its EW with the Pelosi Flight, but China (perhaps foolishly) just did the exact same, so the US will counter the Chinese counters and reset the status quo. Chinese EW and networked warfare is definitely close enough to US to be seriously concerning though.

[@MilitaryTechNerd006]

I wonder if the NGJ would do better, or if the growler was carrying it during this interaction... either way, very interesting video! The chinese aren't playing around.

[@johnyricco1220]

Electric engineering is one of the hardest fields. If someone has a masters degree from an average US university I guarantee they have higher IQ than doctors, but they dont get paid as much. The gap will get wider

[@zub57]

I’m guessing this is the reason for the new 360 degree multi band jamming pods. Seems like they were already ready. But weren’t going to be implemented until we knew it was needed.

[@scottmcdonald5237]

The CAG usually does the firing due chain of command. Now, the debrief must have blown up, Admiral's staff got involved. It is likely that another, "national asset", aircraft or satellite was watching PLA-N reaction & knew what happened in detail. Worst: no cover-up as USAF or Spaceforce had the receipts. A likely NSA/Naval Security Group investigation included a simulation of the incident, including a target-eye's-view and dropped it on 7th Fleet's desk. That's not good. Everybody got into trouble, with the Admiral getting the CO's head.

[@Null-o7j]

So the guy got tossed under the bus because he was operating inferior equipment? What was he supposed to do?

[@suisinghoraceho2403]

Our host’s suggestion (if I read correctly) is that he escalated more than necessary. Worst still, in doing so revealed American capabilities that are supposed to be kept secret.

[@bluemeriadoc]

@@Null-o7j presumably in this fairy tale story he was supposed to refuse the order to jam the ship during peacetime

[@thomgizziz]

@@bluemeriadoc Also in this fairy tale the video creator "made a bunch of guesses" and all those guesses were in favor of the chinese and against the US... isn't it weird how this creator always does that. It always turns out that any unknown is against the US and in favor of the other side, weird how that happens 100% of the time. But I must be mistaken because other people who are anti-US say that this dude is a genius for always painting the US in the worst light possible.