China’s Toughest Year for Coders; Major Tech Layoffs Hit 700,000, Forced Into Delivery Jobs

[@MrMaxeemum]

Brain surgeons get paid top bucks, but if everyone becomes a brain surgeon, their value is lost.

[@magic-eric7328]

The Chinese Communist Party is against critical thinking because it threatens there authority.

[@fdm2155]

@@MrMaxeemum Yes, if someone starts a 6 month boot camp for surgeons, we're in trouble! 😆

[@kingdeskmond]

@@fdm2155😁😁

[@Joshua.Developer]

@@MrMaxeemum Err no because very people on society has the ability to become a surgeon, developer, and or engineer. Lower their jobs are meant for people with lower IQ and cognitive ability.

[@toddsteell7209]

Also do you really think they are brain surgeons it's China you don't even have the real Internet. I'd be surprised if all their brain surgeon skills comes down to being able to cook a dog brain to eat.

[@Omega-s6s]

No matter what job, always save and live below your means.

[@vvinniem8907]

Best advice one can ever give. Unfortunately, very few of the younger generation heed this valuable advice.

[@wshyangify]

The elites will debase your currency and inflate the prices of everything astronomically. Then they will take over all commodities production and inflate the prices of essentials so much that you will sell your house to buy a slice of bread.

[@Chainyanker007]

The younger generation was never taught this or if it was they have ignored its wisdom.

[@elijahgtp]

Boomer logic

[@chrischoy9]

​@@elijahgtpIt honestly isn't. Its common sense. You don't need luxury everything, new cars every 5 years, new phones every year, 5 star restaurants everything, 6 star hotels or business/first class flights.

[@tedzehnder961]

Some "coders" can work remotely but they need connections.The USA lost plenty of jobs to China in the last 30 years and they are now getting a taste of what it`s like.

[@Michael-o3h]

Your corporations and companies made billions by laying you all off and moved to China, India wherever. To take advantage of the cheap labour four times as large, taxes, supply chains and logistics. They are all there on the NY stock exchange. China never stole your jobs okay 😊

[@sneg_9310]

​@@Michael-o3hAmericans let thier jobs be stolen.

[@PhilbertWafflemann]

@@Michael-o3h Yes, "Michael", China does nothing wrong. China is great, thanks to the Great and Mighty Pu!

[@Joshua.Developer]

Dude stop. This is going to happen here too.

[@AkashicSeer]

As a US programmer I looked into freelancing on the platforms... I could not believe people were coding for $2 and hour. Literally. I didn't try, why try?

[@briansmaller7443]

I am in my 60s and still work in IT in my country. I can still foot it with the young people.

[@vvinniem8907]

Long may you continue, 😊sir.

[@simonmasters3295]

...but you would acknowledge the general trend, surely? Personal experience (I share your history, but not your success) of course isn't a statistical measure

[@briansmaller7443]

@@simonmasters3295 We have a guy on our team who is 70. I am a young buck in comparison. But yeah - most of us are retiring now and new ones are coming through. I enjoy working.

[@pliashmuldba]

Yes but you seem to be a Brian, that is a very special breed, either gold or mud

[@briansmaller7443]

@pliashmuldba To be honest, I am not sure I understand this comment. But I like to think there is gold in the mud somewhere.

[@consciousrosin]

Take years to learn something that becomes obsolete in months because you trust the digital era with your future

[@jensbond93]

"Learn to Code" No, learn to weld

[@paulking2039]

Yeap learn a trade, still much needed for the next few decades. Not everyone needs a degree. Does no-one want to fix toilets anymore ? good money in many parts of the world and AI proof for now.

[@reverse_meta9264]

Exactly!

[@StuggleIsSurreal]

Learn BOTH! Both are complicated but can be trained and learned!

[@Nehpets94]

@@paulking2039then what happens when 300,000 welders enter the market every year? Their pay will begin to drop. I see so many people saying this is the solution, but I don’t think it’s that simple in the long run

[@pliashmuldba]

In china: Learn to mix concrete Refuse to make BS

[@neoncorolla6917]

Coding skill is like a screwdriver. It's just a tool. It's your business idea that is the moneymaker, and your skill in coding is to automate that idea.

[@brooklynknite]

That is the best way of putting it.

[@zzkevinlim]

True, also coding is only a small part of what developers do.

[@Joshua.Developer]

@@brooklynknite It's not code does not automate it. Coding is engineering just like designing a bridge or house

[@AkashicSeer]

20 years ago when I learned to program, people thought I was smart. Now if you tell someone you program its like saying you are a cashier or you sweep floors.

[@seccat]

Business ideas are a dime for a dozen. Every uncle think he has the next Google.

[@renzverg119]

They can blame Xi and his beloved CCP.

[@Esquera123]

Indeed

[@martinleung212]

Coders have been fired everywhere, not just in China.

[@hendo19742]

EXACTLY 💯 INSIDIOUS COMMUNIST CRIMINAL CABAL 🙄

[@lukedewoody801]

I remember when all these so-called diamond coders were making fun of everybody telling them that they were broke why they were making their 500,000 salaries and now they want our Blue collar jobs?!

"Go touch grass." 🙂- when a CN IT graduate is told to work in a sweatshop due to bad economy. 💀💀💀

[@lolingkwarts3999]

ISO code for China is CN. CH is Switzerland 😆

@@lolingkwarts3999 typo fixed. thanks for the heads up.

[@eddyeroyal6024]

No matter what country you with, if you don’t save this can happen to anyone.

[@patrickt49]

Unfortunately, Asians are among the most financially illiterate people on Earth.

[@vyneshindenmc6181]

But everything is worst in china, you missed that.

[@MaddoxxFD]

​@vyneshindenmc6181 no, its bad too in asia..worse or no worse its still bad

[@riverlady982]

Imagine if every abandoned coder started working together to destroy the great digital walls there.

[@paulking2039]

AI / Skynet would take them out.

[@simonmasters3295]

Open Source, IOT ... suggests niche opportunities beyond endless temp and pressure sensors, but the secret is integration, and only the big players have that "big data"

[@VidalIC]

Good luck with their amazing js framework knowledge.

[@nifzee6679]

@@VidalIC good one only you understand it because mostly I would say 60% or more of world programmers are frameworks developers

[@lolingkwarts3999]

As affordable as they appear CN and RU programmers are a massive security risk thanks to their governments.

[@ikeafanatic1749]

Still better than indians and other subcontentals. I want a Russian coding boyfriend uwu

[@juhajuntunen7866]

no one can trust them, put extra backdoors or spying code too many places.

[@sparc4ux]

Any programmer can potentially be security risk.

[@Joshua.Developer]

These are China's tech companies.

[@joelrunyan1608]

Do not hire them

[@atomic3325]

Ok lets not exaggerate AI just yet. I have used it in coding on several occasions and its very hit and miss. It really lacks context and usually just spits out something generic. A person is still needed to adapt and optimize. Now give me a AI that can debug code and then we are in business.

[@pendekarlautbiru]

These people complain about AI because their work entails tasks that can be easily replaced by AI.

[@marian16888]

Even if it won't replace your job, it will take over unnecessary and repetitive tasks and make you focus on the important things.

[@atomic3325]

@@pendekarlautbiru yeah i mean its up to the individual to make themselves irreplaceable in those cases

[@everyxheart]

I think the future is AI tooling.

[@HieroglyphicsWorldInc]

Agreed AI ISN'T TAKING ANYBODY'S JOB. 😅😂 ABSURDITY.

[@BLACKAAROW]

"paychecks feel like a lottery" lmaooo

[@AkiraGuitar777]

I don't see the lmaooo in that tbh, that must suck

[@tanpengjoo7205]

Go back stone age, simple and easy , don't be a slave to greedy " developer " paying whole life just for a roof to shelter from rain and shine and fee hours of rest after hard day of work.

[@watcherworld5873]

From continuous delivery to food delivery.

[@qwertyuuytrewq825]

hahahaha ) best comment

[@Edoras5916]

if this is true then why are cyber attacks not slowing down?

[@jeffsad8391]

Great question

[@hththgrsgrg-e7p]

Because vast majority of programmers have nothing to do with them.

[@hedonepicurea4327]

4:45 I want to clarify that I was not aware, complicit, or responsible for any pandemics or events from 2019-2024. Any grievances should be directed toward those actors and networks who were truly involved or accountable.

[@Digmen1]

This is one of the best videos you have done for a long time

[@mysteriousstranger8224]

Learn to code... Er... Never mind... Learn to deliver food.

[@fdm2155]

It's not just the coders though. In China, layoffs are sweeping every field even the 'golden' positions are seeing layoffs. That's one reason why people can't pivot. There's nothing to pivot to.

[@martinleung212]

Learn how to program robots and drones. These will become hot jobs.

[@skyex13]

How can you go from earning 800k a year to delivering food..do ppl not save etc?

[@hitest8925]

Yes and no. Most people live on the edge of their economic abilities. Conspicuous consumption Bad investments in a failing economy. Having the government pull the rug out from under your feet. Should they stay home and live off their savings?

[@eikooowiesnowyowlchannels1921]

Winnie tech layoff now in theater

[@haianh3936]

Thank you buddy

[@rayc3103]

6:05 that’s CZ, founder of Binance. He’s neither American nor has he lived in China for at least 20 years. He’s Canadian. He’s actually the wealthiest person in Canada.

[@ElixExo]

Nice find, though they didn't say anything about him in the video, just a little easter egg clip of him typing.

[@yoji8130]

well they should be happy they can atleast do rideshare and delivery jobs because over 10 years ago these jobs didn't even exist

[@richardtse6054]

These jobs existed decades ago. It’s only they existed in personal level within a cluster of communities.

[@scamacho4759]

Lol so they make good money and spend it all ASAP so when they loose everything they have nothing?

[@juhajuntunen7866]

Maybe they want to show how rich they are and it take everything until next payday.

[@drek782]

Hackers are doing well

[@josiahjacinto4156]

Since the majority of them worked for the CCP.

[@CaptainSeato]

"ReAl CoMmUnIsM hAs NeVeR bEeN tRiEd BeFoRe..."

[@AkashicSeer]

China has 7 million programmers OHHHHHH FFS why even try to get into such an industry at this point?

[@Nehpets94]

Because they have 1 billion people. With millions of companies that need many IT people to support it? At that scale why enter any industry there?

[@AkashicSeer]

@@Nehpets94 exactly all these people do not have work in any industry. Why go to college to get the degrees etc. They graduate 11 million people a year in China, there is no need for that many people in trained positions. The world is waking up to this fact all around, USA to China people are learning there is no value in a College degree if everyone has a college degree.

[@lorittaganda9983]

continue the great work idol

[@Felipe-n3j]

Hmmm never ending desperate propaganda…

[@henrrypoop7570]

I am a first year in computer science, and I've been leveraging and make use of A.I for everything lmao. My teacher even said a good coder knows how to use A.I to their advantage.

[@mssydneil]

I hope you can land a good job once you graduate. I just graduated with a Bachelor’s in computer science last December and it’s tough landing a job due to the overcrowded market.

[@LathropLdST]

😂😂😂 keep it up... You will need a pastime when you are out of a job in four years...

[@stevenphillips3466]

Drop out and Chase Turds ...a job Always in demand ...and its paying better and better .

[@hitest8925]

The concern is, will you be any advantage to A.I. not the other way around.

[@samg9624]

When I was working I got paid weekly, in China it seems they pay monthly or not at all, 996 jobs compared working 40 hours a week with overtime on weekends glad I don't live in China.

[@fdm2155]

It's crazy that a job can withhold your salary for MONTHS and you have no recourse. And, your job might just pack up and leave one day. That's not even speaking to the insane hours. Frankly, I doubt anyone is truly productive for that many hours per day/per week.

[@butros5137]

this reminds me of that meme about us coalminers that were told to learn to code. now what do you say to coders to do .

[@markmathisen3908]

I'm guessing they'll say something that rhymes with "duck shoe"...

[@hyenagamer11]

they're crying cause local companies will enforce 996 work time

[@richardwang9315]

Why these guys weren't investing in anything back when They were sooo rich and had their career went up to the moon! 😅

[@PassionataDance]

China doesn't let them buy short stocks. Their market is rigged by the CCP.

[@MaddoxxFD]

Well it's life, what do you expect, To save face? Then your family cant eat !! Ive been there and at 50 i dont give shite about saving face, Its a very humbling experience but economic is so bad and you cant blame anyone for your bad choice of business..

[@giasone777]

I was a star performer at Ford global computer support. I supported and worked on all their plants globally, then they laid me off in 2022, then a few months later brought me back, then 8 months later laid me off again. First time I was shocked, second time it was expected.

[@seccat]

Throw 6 REAL Coder, 2 UI designers, 2 content writers and a PM into a room for 2 years. You’ll walk out with a million dollars each. All these CodeCamp students think they know 💩

[@Joshua.Developer]

Well I have yet to hear anybody wanting to starting new business. 40 unemployed developers should be a able to come together raise some cash and start a NEW company. But nope everybody just wants a job.... that is not there

[@AutisticMorty]

Lol yeah, no. More like, you spend $2 million to hire those 9 for two years. And after two years, you don't have any customers, you have software that doesn't meet any specific market needs, and you've burnt $2 million.

[@Joshua.Developer]

@AutisticMorty OnlyFans "hold my beer" I know the dev that started that.

[@malcolm2.03]

Repost?

[@wozal335]

they normally are, thanks for telling us that.

[@thuandao4243]

Yes and no we don’t care …., not everyone have seen original + channels reposts each other’s content……someone took alot of effort time to create these free videos for us (from most censored country news.) obviously.yt won’t monetize any channels ontruths reports , is a great thing ….they deserved appreciation for this unprofitable thankless job.

[@michaeldufresne9199]

the way we earned should been changed decades ago when the computer got popular

[@LathropLdST]

They are poor, squarey coders. My employer has not hired a single Chinese and has no office in the country.

[@jupiterapollo4985]

The fact that people were learning to code for a few days and getting jobs in software creation field proves that this was not gonna last... Other countries like the USA were having the same problem, so much demand for programmers they would let pretty much anyone in. That's how you got so many of those "day in my life as a programmer" videos of the said programmer basically doing nothing all day, whiles still earning 200k+ a year. That type of system was bound to crash!

[@MrMaxeemum]

Programmed themselves out of a job 😂. Better learn to weld.

[@jokmong2360]

1.competiton ( every year millions student graduate) 2. Automation ( ai getting more sophisticated)

[@chasingtherains]

USA has 4+ million programmers and american tech companies dominate every technology field. India has 5+ million programmers and India dominates outsourcing market. With 7 million programmers, What exactly is china good at?

[@aaronvenema]

Same thing has happened in the US.

[@MaddoxxFD]

It's happening in asia too

[@heathkishpaugh7742]

Why was the founder of Binance shown? That's a bit misleading.

[@stylesoftware]

Wow you have it so wrong, programmers aren't about creating connections to propel them into their older years. It's the economy they work with-in that defines them. China doesn't value experience. Another way to put it is that, in the west, your experience is your age and it defines your value. More so China can't innovate in the software stack section. These platforms start with experienced older programmers and develop products that the world uses. There is a clear disconnect, and I am poor at explaining it. But it is there.

[@mzmxx]

Don't they have a public safety net? Unemployment benefits?

[@usedtobeliveable]

'writing a few lines of code' - pfft. Real programmer here , started in 1974 before any 'code generation' tools were available... most average 'programmers' today (the boot camp ones) just fill in templates and throw the code at the CI/CD process, it breaks, they rinse and repeat until it sorta works... very few are computer scientists that know how things work under the covers and hence can really understand how to develop and fix systems. I don't beleive there were ever 700k devs let alone layoffs.

[@richardtse6054]

Only bad programming techniques need so much coders to maintain its functionality. With the help of AI, the coding environment is heading its right direction

[@virtualworld331]

This does not only happen in China or only in tech industry With the advancement of AI, many jobs will be replaced. What used be done by 10 people will possibly be solved by 1 person with AI assistance. It’s a global issue. Don’t understand what is the point of laughing at others suffering. The pot calling the kettle black.

[@tritonyeah]

Recession is when your neighbor loses his job. Depression is when you lose yours.

[@BS89.]

Where can i find some of these developers from china? I’d love to work with them on an upcoming project!

[@wheezysqueezebox7651]

Top coder, to street vendor, or ride share driver!

[@Anonymous-xq3cd]

Things are not looking bright in the US also. Lots of big tech companies are laying off people right now especially during the holidays before Christmas. Tech industry is no longer what it used to be. Blue collar jobs here in the US are now very appealing because they remain in demand, has better job security, has a very respectable pay nearimg six figs while others do reach six figs. If I get fired in my tech job, I will learn a trade and be a blue collar worker. Blue collar workers will never go hungry as long as they are not lazy. But the tech sector is just extremely saturated right now and advent of AI is adding salt to injury.

[@Mkhl4Sure]

All this you've mentioned are not only specifics, even the West suffer same things. Stop with the hate please

[@KungLao-b5v]

My nephew Yol Suk Dong studies IT in China. He works 100hrs a week just to afford sausage meats for his family. Incredible

[@mlb3135]

Your nephew is a good worker...

[@Chainyanker007]

Seems to me that the suicide rate is going to increase, sad. The central government doesn’t seem to be doing anything to reverse the economic decline.

[@GoldTau-s5j]

Bring on the robots!

[@wozal335]

lol,,,

[@io4439]

Bot #4

[@nicholasrockall7308]

@@io4439 io The Bot hunter 🎯😉👍

[@Pattayaman999]

Unfortunately, this is happening in USA. A degree in programming is an obsolete degree.

[@tomslitovnieks8036]

The problem is that most "coders" are idiots who take days to solve what anyone, including, AI can solve in minutes. Everyone hates coders. No one has a cheap, great coder that is available. It's good that these low level high fee and gigantic maintenance workers get what they spent their life on - learning nothing and getting firef

[@skyking6989]

That 35+ plus is nonsense. At 38 i can and do outwork my 20 year old coworkers

[@martinleung212]

Coders do not actually worth that sort of salaries. The job is not particularly that difficult and coders could be trained up quite easily and quickly. It was insane then, and now is just back to "normal".

[@mlb3135]

"The job is not particularly that difficult" ... really??? If its not difficult, why is there so much software that doesn't work well? Writing small programs is easy, but small programs don't do much. Try writing a 20,000 or 50,000 or 100,000 line program that is code-efficient and that is error free and see if you still think that coding isn't that difficult.

[@RatTerminator]

GOOD 🇺🇲

[@bevs9995]

700,000 in one year?

[@drew21t]

AI is not capable of writing code. At least not meaningful code, AI is really good at boilerplate anything beyond that and it falls apart fast.

[@nelsontragura1441]

12:59 summarizes everything. China needs to chill. There is a saying in the West, "It is just a fart in the wind". China needs to listen to its people.

[@ariosmolovsky]

You can't really use AI alone to code. Giving it the correct instructions requires you to actually understand what needs to be coded. Anyone who thinks otherwise will find that for the most part it can probably fix a bug but it can't actually Intuit how to design a feature.

[@sonyse2t5]

Too many coders.....bubble burst like a Tsunami

[@garen591]

Diamond level programmer.. LOL its just a fake name the company give you to make you feel important. I have been coding for almost 20 years and i don't relish having any honorific given to me. Programming is a never ending journey, while some hate it. I love it!

[@HieroglyphicsWorldInc]

Right skills wrong market. Still some runway left. Hardware with that AI vaporware chip isn't moving any money from wallets. But software is, still a software story. It's time for Windows to permanently go and an entire ecosystem of software to replace it.😅

[@user_375a82]

Full of simulacra video clips - acted and for sale on the internet.

[@kj3rd2657]

No matter how many robots will replace jobs, someone still have to keep them up to date and repair them when they break down and this is where the people's with the skills to do this can make money! I already send my adult daughter to school for this and is already earning money from her training! Remember! When one door closes, another door opens for you! 😮

[@gersondacunha4494]

Not quiet

[@cruzergo]

Tell me the name of that school.

[@riverlady982]

I know more people who have figured this out on the job than I do people who went to college. They also need the technical machines to repair and I don't see a lot of that in the future there right now.

[@ElixExo]

By the time your daughter gets out of college the robots will be fixing themselves.

[@newafricanforum]

Repairing isn't a new skills. I majored in electronic engineering and did lots of repairs in my early years but a)repair jobs are boring b)don't pay well and c) with modular design, they have been reduced to replacing a module rather than troubleshooting and soldering a pcb , thus easy to do.

[@cliffto2309]

Money printing. Arrogance that is the result

[@basshunterdota625]

Everyone wants to be coder.

[@algoobi5573]

00:49 i doubt chinese program using Kyrillic language 😂😂

[@eXclusive1]

This is not unique to China. They have however oversaturated the market and the CCP should have reduced it's reliance on foreign investment or corporations.

[@YourAlienPaul]

Don't tell Elon

[@mtube620]

good chance that coder wrote the program for hail riding he is now using

[@kamthangchangsan7039]

AI can replace them

[@robertlussier2944]

Elon will hire them🙄

[@AdrenResi]

in the age of hyper competition, you need to be able to find the rare, good stuff so you're not miserable

[@popcorn6931]

All these thumbnails showing grown men crying get me to click it every time… at least my situation is not that bad and it kinda put me at ease for the evening thanking for what I have

[@aivaraslabokas7172]

How come, there are, a lot of chinese in EU, if they don't have €?

[@woochoi3373]

If I was a diamond level coder in China and I couldn't find work in China, I would move to America asap or another country and utilize my skills

[@kirk_Rocks_Trees]

Thank you.

[@zxn-hn4tv]

They laugh at the tech layoffs in the US now they suffer the same fate.

[@phpeteur]

hello,what about alibaba datacenters, yiur statements seems really bias to me.

[@ErrorOptik]

I’m sure there is a country that would pay them handsomely to move and change allegiance..

[@khooahok4589]

Fake news not true story 😂

[@kotk05]

The guy wasn't laid off and is not delivering food or ride share?

[@davesbainrps6909]

The world needs millions of nurses

[@momoko7859]

People stopped dining out, lol. How is that a bad thing?

[@AUNZAnon]

The CCP is the least of Chinese programmers worries. AI is the GLOBAL programmers worst enemy.

[@planetbuster]

Will soon affect all programmers worldwide. Because programmers can already be 90% replaced by AI. In another 12 months, programmers will no longer be needed anywhere in the world. A basic income and taxation of work performed by AI must come. Because it won't just affect programmers.

[@DCMCOSPLAYdotCOM]

lol, I dont think the clip of CZ from Binance fits here. Sure the guy did some time, but is worth millions. He might even be a billionaire.

[@pehclark7256]

10:38 Correct, hiring software engineer to create solutions.

coding is taught to american high school students