China Southern To Sell Entire Boeing 787-8 Fleet

[@nicolaslemay]

As soon as I heard « retiring their 787-8 to modernize their fleet », and before you mentioned it, I tought about Air Canada bringing back theirs 767. Feels like there will be a lot of opportunities for those planes.

[@NyzedOfficial]

787-8 being considered “older wide body” is insane to me

[@shauny2285]

There's also an ongoing trade war (microchips and dual use technology) between the US and the PRC.

[@MehdiS-music]

They probably had enough of the Boeing rubbish

[@Kayshots]

I flew on a China Southern B787-9 which was 6 years old, aswell as a 5 year old A350-900, and the boeing felt so much more worn out and older. while the A350 felt like a modern and new plane.

[@Bobspineable]

​@@MehdiS-music If it was truly rubbish then why even continue flying them. They still use 777 and 737s

[@mmm0404]

​@@MehdiS-musicdon't be delusional.

[@TheShowblox]

Dang it, their livery looked beautiful on the 787😭😭😭

[@TechSahayi3321]

Air India would be a potential bidder for this deal as they are expanding fast.

[@kevinp8108]

the only thing expanding with Air India is the odor inside the cabin!

[@KaranSingh5]

I was about to say this! They already have 27 and would make sense for them to have these to supplement their fleet expansion.

[@oadka]

+1 on that! Potentially on sale and leaseback as I guess they prefer the superior - 9 variant.

[@Joe-kw8hq]

Air India will pay only in rupees, and the Indian government will then stipulate that the rupees can only be spent in India, lol.

[@TechSahayi3321]

@@Joe-kw8hq That logic would suggest they couldn't have acquired the former B777s from Delta, right?

[@dhruvpandya118]

Won’t be surprised to see American, united, air india and Canada bid

[@eamonahern7495]

When I read the title of the video, my first thought was, "I wonder does it have anything to do with the recently launched Chinese wide body?"

[@user-yt198]

Just launched, not even close to be delivered. C929 will not be delivered for the next 10 years.

[@eamonahern7495]

@user-yt198 yeah, that's why it was just a thought. I realised that after the video

[@stevesmoneypit6137]

And no place to fly

[@theviking2877]

No. China Southern operates a large 787-9 fleet. They just don't like the -8

[@Qatari2007]

@@theviking2877why?

[@skylineXpert]

Wont be surprised if TUI also looks at these 787-8

[@AbdullahNajib-b9z]

thats a contender on my first flight on a 787,i was at manchester airport.i was on a saudia 787 and all i could see were.....787s of tui.

[@DrFod]

I flew on a TUI 788 the other week, they are starting to look tired and are in need of a refresh.

[@smoketinytom]

They've been utilising the AirTanker A330-MRTT fleet for extra capacity, during the Summer of 2024. Caught them a few times departing Brize Norton to show up at Gatwick and fly to Ibiza or Barcelona... Though good shout on the 787s, but, whether permanent ownership of those planes vs renting a widebody...?

[@delta_cosmic]

They're also gonna remove their a330-200. At least they aren't gonna just scrap them, that would be a huge waste.

[@gteixeira]

A330-200s have became a popular cargo conversion. They won't be scrapped anytime soon, certainly not until there are 787 or A350 conversions available.

[@stephanguitar9778]

I gave up China Southern when they dropped their London to Gangzhou A380 flights in favor of squished, ultra narrow seating 787s. As I do the Lon to Australia route twice a year, I only fly on airlines with A380s or 9 across 777 seating, at a push A350s, at least on the longest overnight sectors of the flights. Next month SIA A380- to Singapore then A350 to Aus.

[@Howard-rc8dk]

they had to drop it. they were simply losing too much money with their a380.

[@stephanguitar9778]

@@Howard-rc8dk SIA, Qantas and Emirates do well with them on these specific long routes.

[@lennywallace9201]

@@stephanguitar9778the Chinese gov is making it difficult for the aviation industry rn. New set of restrictions lowers tourists from coming which therefore reduces demand which also means there is no need for ultra high capacity aircraft

[@AbdullahNajib-b9z]

dont care if its comfy its got to be a boeing(mcd is tolerable,boeing is preferable). it can not be EL AI or the like.(people brag about how israeli airlines are safe because of missile defence systems,but the fact that they even need it makes them unsafe)

[@stephanguitar9778]

@@lennywallace9201 China Southern has a very busy route between London and Australia (a massive market) with daily flights from Melbourne and Sydney via Guangzhou which was of course the hub for Europeans flying all over South East Asia. When they switched to the 787 they lost popularity.

[@ukar69]

I’ve spotted all China Southern’s 787-8s, which is quite a feat, seeing as I’m in the UK.

[@pkwong7667]

In UK? That will be their 787-9.

[@ukar69]

@before they used -9s they used -8s and in fact I saw a -8 on FR24 coming out of Heathrow this week.

[@rickychang8303]

United is my guess

[@vinytind]

Air india may take it too

[@GRakesan]

Perhaps they will be able to sell it at a higher cost than they bought it in 2013, due to extrem demands

[@SuspiciousFish144]

Chinese airlines have a 'quota' of widebodies they are allowed to possess at a given moment. This means airlines can't simply 'buy another A350 if the market calls for it'; getting rid of an old asset is the prequesite of acquiring a new one. Or so I have heard. Sad to see those are going; personally I find the CSN 787s to offer the best international economy seat experience among the big Chinese airlines.

[@hclau218]

"Or so you have heard".. So intelligent a statement. You do know almost all of these "statements" by Western Media are just made up, don't you? Oh nevermind, maybe you believe them regardless.

[@christophermcdonald1122]

The airline which needs these aircraft the most is WestJet, whose longhaul business is constrained by having only a handful of 787s.

[@xrq3223]

They recently got a321neos and since their B787-8s no longer fly long distance, so keeping them wont make sense anymore

[@stevesmoneypit6137]

Why the downgrade

[@xrq3223]

@ it’s more efficient (also they’re low key broke)

[@MB-xw3nr]

American Airlines could really use them with their wide body capacity going down in recent years compared to the other legacy 3

[@1rtricky]

I wonder if they have the same engines.

[@hughofIreland]

@@1rtrickyIt’s a crucial question!

[@bamboy06]

American Airlines already has fully replaced all of its 767s with 787-8s it needs the 321xlr for its 757 replacements if anything AA needs 787-9s not any more 787-8s

[@motion1019]

I believe Emirates would purchase them, since they are already ordering the 787 8

[@senabecool7232]

Does Emirates even have used planes in their fleet? I thought most of their planes are fresh from the factory

[@melhiyabesh]

Emirates has used second-hand planes in its fleet. When the airline was first established in 1985, it started operations with used Boeing 727-200 aircraft provided by Dubai’s royal family and also leased a couple of planes from PIA. Recently, they bought an A380 from lessors, which was already flying for Emirates so that's technically not a direct purchase from manufacturer.

[@AbdullahNajib-b9z]

I think they will purchase them.the UAE is improving ties with china as well.

[@d.b.cooper1]

lol 0 chance emirates is gonna purchase used 10 year old planes. If emirates had these..they would’ve sold them a few years ago

[@AbdullahNajib-b9z]

​@@d.b.cooper1explain Emirates 777 till 2040 then

[@gteixeira]

The 787-8 is only worth it for long flights that never fill up, but have to be operated for reasons other than economic, that is why almost no carriers want to use it.

[@jameskabrajee221]

I wonder if the increasing scrutiny of Boing's shoddy quality are also part of the issue. According to the piece on 60 Minutes yesterday, one whistleblower identified sub-standard landing gear parts were used on the 787 to rush it to waiting customers. He said the parts will likely fail before their life limits, and there are thousands of similar parts out there. However, if China Southern orders 787-9 as replacements, then I would be wrong. Let's see what they do.

[@snickrologen]

The Boeing 787 is a lovely aircraft and these have the right engines as well, would be interesting to know the cost effectiveness comparison between the #8 & #9 models. The #8 seems to be more quiet to operate up front, probably some airflow difference depending on size of the fuselage.

[@FN-rr6mk]

Avianca has a great opportunity on getting those -8, they really need them despite wanting to move to an Airbus wide body fleet

[@DigitalDiabloUK]

Jet2 need to look at these for Caribbean / Florida routes, to compete with Tui

[@TheRealEtaoinShrdlu]

Please sell them to SAA.

[@gteixeira]

Makes sense. South Africa is very far from Europe and North America and could use the spare payload that the -8s can provide at maximum load and such distances.

[@davidporter2770]

I am a proud South African 79. SAA were the pride of South Africa and a great highly respected airline. Until the ANC Govt from 1994 bankrupted and trashed the airline to the point it no longer had aircraft. A once proud, wonderful airline trashed by the corrupt, useless ANC. Now the new breed of SAA pilots are on strike. So, I say, stuff SAA and find any alternative airline. I know that I will.

[@j123-x2r]

makes sense. South Africa to Europe or Asia route is long distance but not that high of demand. So having those rather small long distance planes seems reasonable

[@pinglatin]

Send to AA or United?

[@Fgghgrgrhgfnvkmd]

I believe it can be Air India. They need jets fast

[@kkrsnn5632]

Interrsting. Who would grab the occasion? Air India? LOT? American?

[@yizhouwang3645]

Probably to AA or UA? But speaking of that, there probably aren’t so many long and thin routes that is suitable for CZ tho, since they operate out of Guangzhou and China seems to be focusing on hub-n-spoke strategy for international travels. If you say that there is a coincidence in terms of timing that’s it.

[@hughofIreland]

I see AA and UA as the most likely. UA is bursting at the seams right now while remaining surprisingly profitable. AA is in the most need of more wide-bodies. Meanwhile charter operators in Northern Europe could do with adding wide body capacity to the sunny south (including North Africa). It will be interesting to see what happens.

[@ArmyofSeaturtles]

AA and UAL won't buy them, the -8 arn't as good as the -9 and -10 frames and have worse resale values

[@liambengif7663]

@@ArmyofSeaturtlesUnited will buy every 787 that exists they are trying to replace their whole wide body fleet with em

[@sudhirlakshmanan]

Makes sense for Air India to pick them up. Out of the 27 787-8s that Air India has, 5 dreamliners are parked for various reasons. These 10 aircraft with their better maintained interiors could be a boon for the expading airline, as the widebodies from their 470 aircraft order will not start delivery before 2026 and is also difficult to predict owing to supply chain issues and quality issues boeing is experiencing. Recently, the airline also saw another setback as their widebody refurbishment program has been delayed by another year.

[@ultralegendarybeast101]

Maybe Etihad Airways could purchase them, they already have 43 Boeing 787s. Wouldn't be surprised if they got their hands on the 787-8.

[@prasanta5139]

they could, but they won't. China Southern's plane has very little leg room, not the target market for Etihad. this is a budget airline that cares about low cost per ticket.

[@ultralegendarybeast101]

@@prasanta5139 Etihad can always make the 10 aircraft go through a cabin refresh like what they are going to be doing with their older Boeing 777s.

[@PVZBlover]

Since its European rival, the Airbus A330-800neo had a lower order backlog, the Boeing 787-8 had been overshadowed by the B787-9. The same thing also applied to the A330-900neo overshadowing the A330-800neo

[@malvinjnrn7784]

You would think TUI would pick a few up as they were looking at getting more 787s at TUI germany and Nordic

[@AlohaBiatch]

ZIP air, a low-costish long haul only subsidiary of Japanese flag carrier JAL, has a fleet of 787-8 only. They are all JAL’s older 787-8, refurbished to a new ZIP interior. I could see them taking on China southern’s fleet, they cut costs by buying used aircraft and refurbishing them!

[@richardshiggins704]

Would possibly suit high density medium range SE Asia-Asia routes with Air Asia being a candidate .

[@user-yt198]

Airasia is an Airbus only airline (A330 only for Airasia X). They don't have any GE engines either. They would not buy.

[@Celestial_Arishem]

Lets see who gets them.

[@robertspink1972]

I hope Delta grabs them to help with the old 757 and 767’s. Might help them add more International routes?

[@sasharenier9900]

I doubt it, as they don't operate any other 787s

[@hughofIreland]

Didn’t Delta recently announce that they’re upgrading the interiors of the B752s? It looks as if the carrier is planning on retaining them for at least another five years.

[@uy_spotter]

Delta would keep the 757 flying for another couple of years, and replace the 757/767 with A321neo and A330neo in the future. No place for the 787 there.

[@hughofIreland]

@ I don’t see Delta adding B788s to the fleet either. If you’re a B752 fan like me, Delta affords you the chance to fly some of the oldest copies of the plane. The carrier bought the TWA B752s, many of which are easily recognized as they lack overwing, emergency exits. They were initially deployed on LAX/JFK over 15 years ago.

[@stevesmoneypit6137]

Good time to upgrade. Delta will have 787s and they love buying used planes in good condition.

[@matthewmiller9780]

Alaska/Hawaiian Airlines could be a suitable buyer. With significant delays and Alaska Air Group's desire for widebody expansion, this could be a smart way for desired expansion.

[@atms04]

Calling any 787 selloff a "modernization" play is crazy. That's the plane airlines upgrade TO lol

[@sliferxxxx]

It's the variant, they're keeping the larger B787-9

[@atms04]

@@sliferxxxx ik that's not modernization though it's just a different size

[@use-oc4mj6n]

Only third world airlines like Pakistan International Airlines would upgrade to who are flying death traps 😂

[@keisuke5468]

So sad :< 787-8 is my fav variant out of all 3

[@AbdullahNajib-b9z]

the 10 is my fav. even though my second worst flight ever was on a 10.and that was my only flight on a 10. the 10 is just ....cool i guess. my worst was on a A330 300

[@keisuke5468]

@ well everyone got their tastes haha. I do find the -10 variant to be cool as well but I am more for shorter variants. Like 787-8, 777-200, a330-200/800, a350-900 and so on. I used to love the a310s cuz it was so short and I was lucky enough to fly in one when I was a kid 😁 so far I had no bad experiences on any flights. Probably bcz I get so excited whenever I fly. So far I flew on Dash 8 Q 400, ATR 72-600 a320s, a321s, B737s -700, 800 & 900 variant. Several times on narrow bodies as usual. a310, a330-300 twice, a350-900s - 4 times 😁 B777-200er, B747-400. Still didn’t get the luck to fly on a 787 yet.

[@mr.e3937]

Philippine Airlines should bid

[@AbdullahNajib-b9z]

Emirates will buy this. they ordered the 787 8. these will probably be replaced by the dash 9

[@enderbeam8089]

@AbdullahNajib-b9z the -9 has a higher capacity and the wing design was best optimised for the -9, I'm not sure why they would buy these.

[@irvinghuss9589]

It makes no difference to me! You can’t preorder a particular aircraft for your vacation flight to “wherever “. Unless you buy the airline as an optional extra with your ticket.

[@noroy2]

All main economy cabin seating is an option for these

[@ronaldnacario8891]

pal should be interested.

[@deep_space_exploration]

Hang on a minute, How is the 787 an older widerbody????

[@thomasleerriem6872]

I would't call 2 + 2 + 2 "business class" anymore...

[@Inflight777]

Who do you think will buy them?

[@zacherius137]

What are they replacing them with tho?

[@pushslice]

Party oppression and perversion of basic human rights. What else??

[@AnotherPointOfView944]

What are they going to replace them with? Airbus or Boeing?

[@Jaxymann]

Given it’s China Southern, I wouldn’t be surprised if they “choose” the C929

[@tailsorange2872]

Let me guess, the Comac C929

[@MariusClausen-bf2kw]

The C929 wont be alowed to fly internationaly until around 2034. I say they wil replace the787-8 with 787-9 and other bigger planes like A350-900 and 1000. The 787-8 is selling in very smal numbers. It is the 787-9 that is most of the sale for Boeing. They could even go for the 787-10 for South East asia routes.

[@imwsss726]

A321neo, 787-9 and A350-900 (and also A330-900) in the near future. C929 is still in design phase.

[@yizhouwang3645]

The international market and its lucrativeness has dramatically shrunken since COVID so there is no need to replace them

[@vid888vid]

Andorra, they really need these... Currently Andorra's entire fleet totals 0 aircraft, so it's time they upgraded ... [ :) ]

[@Patrickair4444]

Maybe American Airlines and United

[@drjesubalan639]

Lufthansa or Air India

[@majeedpanahi5783]

Gulf Air is a good candidate. At least the engines are much more reliable than the RR Trent on the current Gulf Air fleet. At least four GF 787's are grounded due to engine issues.

[@jet4926]

The question is are filling all the seats on the 8s, there's also the 10s which are no one is buying. Strange situation..

[@g3johnston]

Too many possible buyers to even speculate. They will sell fast and at a good rate.

[@ElMishi_861]

If i need to make a guess, Maybe avianca could buy them due to their operating conditions and pasanger demand this b787-8s could be a great expansion for the colombian flag carrier.

[@Burzilman]

PIA, after EU ban lift, may acquire these jets.

[@hu1574]

The early models of the 787 (788) had various minor issues. In China domestic operating costs remain high, the overall economic outlook is generally pessimistic. Airlines are looking to cut expenses or seek short-term gains. China Southern Airlines base in Guangzhou, less advantageous as Beijing and Shanghai naturally, and losing its battle to Shenzhen politically, a Beijing-affiliated enclave nearby, due to locating farther from Beijing on the domestic political spectrum. The tragic thing is that, as a company owned by central government, it cannot independently make major decisions; buying and selling aircraft require approval or even instructions from authorities, yet due to its ties with the city, it ranks quite low as seeking privileges.

[@russellwilson6193]

I hope Cebu Pacific will buy this aircrafts

[@rubinwilson3426]

It sounded like a sure buy for Delta at one time, but I think the 787 ship has passed for them, so that's not happening.

[@jeremypearson6852]

I would think an Indian carrier might be interested, since they have big orders pending right now with a significant delay in delivery.

[@eduardodaquiljr9637]

How much it sell?

[@Vicstarz26]

I definitely see Air Canada grabbing those 787-8’s for its mainline fleet or saving it for Rouge since the airline is adding new aircraft types

[@林振华-t4v]

You sure about this? 787-8 is going to be a major upgrade for Rouge. Since I recall Rouge are either using very early A320 or outright RJ/Q400.

[@Vicstarz26]

Yes I am sure because Rouge is retiring all A319 & 320’s starting next year. The B737-Max’s, A321’s will be at Rouge and a wide body aircraft type will also be added. A lot of shifting around will start happening soon

[@aviation37.]

I flew on the China southern 787-8 a few times in 2024 and 2019

[@SwissA220-airbus]

This is so sad

[@stephanguitar9778]

They are awful to fly in economy class. Narrowest seats ever, rubbing shoulders with whoever is next to you, very Narrow isles for people and trollies to bump you at regular intervals.

[@Howard-rc8dk]

​@@stephanguitar9778As a Chinese, I agree. And they are know as "a low cost carrier that charge full price" here in China

[@SwissA220-airbus]

Oh okay i now know, thanks

[@TusharGogia]

Just send them to Air India already!! They are in mega expansion mode RN!

[@doms2389]

Maybe Qantas can buy them. The Qantas young fleet of Airbus A330, with an average age of 21 years, is such a shame. Broken seats, not working entertainment systems, not working USB outlets and delays due to elongated maintenance and repairs are the norm.

[@use-oc4mj6n]

Probably a big order for the wide body Comac C929 on the way ?

[@michaelli8113]

I am 90% sure that routes now operating by 787-8s would be replaced by A320xlr. Routes which China Southern’s 787-8 now operates are mainly between XinJiang and Europe and this distance exactly fall into the range of A320xlr. By doing so they can save money with more fuel efficiency and more flexible routes planning. It’s kinda a downgrade but in the future it might be possible to get on a China Southern jet in any small towns in Europe and fly directly to China ;-)

[@林振华-t4v]

If you speculation is true, that will be great news. This type of routing might be more polar bear friendly as well, since you are taking less transfer fly.

[@jeffreydavid6223]

Iran and Russia really need planes! ✈ Probably sell them at double the price on the black market. Just saying.

[@ctadam12]

Wonder what their condition is?

[@林振华-t4v]

11 year old plane will be "almost new". Let alone lot of systems just come back with overhaul. Gonna be relative worry free deal and potential very good one if the price is good.

[@janusz4156]

Who buy used 787-8? Maybe LOT Polish Airlines? 15 years of 787 in 2024.

[@garycusack9247]

as long as they dont get scrapped thats the main thing such youg aircraft with so much life left in them

[@appleglory]

Jetstar Australia should buy these

[@SouthEastAsian-d7u]

I flew on b2926 and yes, it is quite old with it being quite dirty and ife very slow and laggy

[@gallardoo9]

meanwhile airlines are bringing mothballed Dreamliners back into service, this AI voice doesnt tell the whole story

[@EastWestMangi]

What does it matter? All the 787 variants share one wing.

[@solracer66]

Could Hawaiian be interested? They could accelerate the retirement of their A330s. Sure they have eight more -9s on the way to go with the two they have but those won't come close to replacing their A330 fleet.

[@JETMOTORWAYS]

CEBU PACIFIC is eyeing on some BOEING AIRCRAFT.. B737MAX and B787. We Don't know what type of b787 has to purchase it..

[@ssuwandi3240]

Just full domestic and international Ruzzia 😅

[@Enviro-rc3md]

Singapore airlines is my guess

[@stewardang4939]

Naah. SQ doesn’t buy or lease other airlines’ used aircraft. Even if they’re short (of aircraft), they won’t do it. SQ realises their reputation is worth far more than any short-term profit, & using other airlines used aircraft can compromise that by way of inconsistency in product or service offerings, or, even worse, safety…

[@garen7539]

They're too old for SQ

[@flywithjohn]

Small fleet, shrinking widebody operations, China is producing in country alternatives. Not too shocking.

[@hugochan2821]

Perhaps Hong Kong airlines, or Air China? They both would love more b787

[@mojomom1888]

they will replace them with C919, their domestic planes.

[@林振华-t4v]

No, 787 and c919 fit in different mission. I more intend to think it will be the A350 if there will be replacement

[@antwango]

And China Southern would still make a massive profit!!!!

[@liambengif7663]

United is gonna buy every last one of those

[@hrysivjt67]

United loves the -8. They might be in on this.

[@driver288]

I think Norse Atlantic might pick them up…

[@ajmillendez478]

Philippine Airlines should bid to purchase these 787-8's for a cheaper price.

[@AryaanSrivastava-p8h]

Too Bad So Sad. China Southern Airlines also NOT my favorite A350 operator as well. What if China Southern grounds its entire fleet of 20 A350s?

[@林振华-t4v]

😂And why should the A350 being grounded? There is no major issue on the horizon that potential ground the fleet. And the 737 max fiasco is pure political motive IMO. Does the max have problem!? Yes. Does the problem has to be handle this way? No! The metal contamination problem on the A320 is potentialy more dangerous than the max problem. Has any airliner ground their fleet? No!

[@nathanlembke9026]

More Boeings being retired 😢 but why the 787 is the most modernness aircraft you can get from Boeing

[@henkmagnetic3103]

They certainly won't be buying Boeing if replacements to be purchased. Comac planes be a better fit. If I was buying new planes, I would not buy Boeing until their executives are actually in jail. You'd have to provide a disclaimer for Boeings; to the best of this airline's knowledge, we don't think this plane will fall out of the sky, not 100% sure though.

[@Nancy_harrison]

Biman Bangladesh Airlines grab this opportunity with both hands

[@gohcheesin6045]

Boeing records past 5 years let everyone concerned about the safety.

[@KingBooks26]

Did you ask officials from Southern, why they want to sell the 787's ?

[@林振华-t4v]

😂Oh come on. Just like any company, do you think they will give you more detail then the press? It will be "bussiness" decision and to "realign" our new Xxx strategy.

[@Shastagamers]

Mexicana de Aviación or Aeroméxico should add them

[@callmefil_]

Don’t know will Garuda Indonesia consider to take it over or not

[@petesteirer]

Great plane, until it's grounded. If you can get one. Which you can't. Just go Airbus.

[@raycomeau6866]

The problems with Boeing delivering planes has put Cathy Pacific in a bind. Boeing is years behind in scheduled delivery. They might be interested.

[@林振华-t4v]

Isnt Cathy moving to 350 for long haul? I was on 350 during my trip to HKG earlier this year. I dont think Cathy really care about Boeing or Airbus, as long as they are using RR engine.

[@tt5570]

its not about the age but cycle