China v America: why universities are on the front line

[@edgbarra]

The fact that China can use the economical impact of chinese overseas students just shows how education is just a business for us. When our own students have a financial cruching debt for half of their lifes I called that sinester.

[@calvinhoward3808]

Half? Some people are permanently indebted.

[@Sport4Life]

It is and one of the West’s own doing

[@unserkatzenland8884]

SenzaNome excluding Europe

[@YodasPapa]

Just a business? The vast majority of education is paid for by the state.

[@Casshern1456]

Universities arent what they use to be.

[@carsten8148]

People forget one thing is that: how competitive it is to get into a college in China, especially elite ones when you have such a huge population. Many students chose to study in another country simply because they can't make it in China. Obviously, those who can afford to do so are usually coming from a wealthy family. Elite colleges in China like Peking University, Tsinghua University, with acceptance rate < 1%, are all public universities that charge like around 5,000 Chinese Yuan (or like ~750 USD) for one academic year, versus some third-tier US state colleges who charges a Chinese student 40,000 USD a year... One semester studying in the US is enough for a kid in rural China to sustain his/her whole 4-year tuition expense...

[@karthiksubramanianlakshmi]

The lie tellist channel, specialist in fear and hate mongering

[@biharisinghkavia7688]

Tsinghua is in Taiwan China belongs to Taiwan , One Taiwan policy

[@eternalelysium4944]

@@biharisinghkavia7688 Me and my Indian bros ready to collect my 1 rupee from our CIA overlords.

[@quoderatdemonstrandum7215]

@@biharisinghkavia7688 I did not know there was one in Taiwan before you mentioned it. There is one in Beijing as well which is quite famous

[@norbertcheung]

Very well said. China should expand its education to accommodate more students. So that they do not need to go abroad. By recruiting professors worldwide, China could start high-level programs, based on the English Language. Lets the academics and top scholars come to China, not for the students going out.

[@shawnl519]

Sometimes I just wish a pure and friendly connection between young generations from different countries.

[@oliverm1255]

Exactly! Why does everyone have to hate each other.

[@KXYZ32]

@@oliverm1255 since colonialism triggered by ... the ones you know who.

[@halosainty5471]

someone said it’s radical left 😝

[@manuman5319]

China have their own censored internet so..

[@winterreisender9032]

manu Man if we don’t do that, the local internet company has no space to develop and grow larger, and I believe we will not keep the wall for long

[@Vermilion2049]

It is not only tuition fees. These students come to UK/US and contribute to local economy, spending soooo much money

[@laylabug39]

Or AUS

[@tromboner6061]

I have seen 3 comments by now about how china students to us spend money like wilddd Like what's the deal? I dunno what's going on. Is it true?

[@samuraijosh1595]

@@tromboner6061 Basically, one of the main reasons why Chinese prefer to study abroad is that universities in China are super super hard to get into due to the humongous population. So, the rich Chinese kids are sent to study abroad. You know what happens when rich kids on a new environment with no one to monitor them try to do.....

[@emelynbasalatan5003]

@@samuraijosh1595😅

[@amandaz2804]

Many Chinese students are studying abroad purely because it is extremely difficult to get into a university with similar level in China....

[@nehcooahnait7827]

No. It is too easy to get into Chinese universities cuz the government is constantly investing in education and found more new universities or elevate some professional colleges into the university categories by building bigger campus, increase fundings and recruiting new tutors. They only studied abroad because they believe that as long as it is not the most renowned ones it is not worth attending. The ones they attend overseas at usually the mediocres one as well. Admisión requirements of universities in the US’ top tier universities aren’t always that low. it is really just about the vanity

[@PatrickFan123]

@@nehcooahnait7827 I can tell you know nothing.And you don't understand what the commenter said.

[@alphax4686]

@@nehcooahnait7827 Do you know anything about China?

[@Driftking859]

@Ptolemy 1 but when there is 20million ahigh school graduates every year who all want to go to a top university of course it has a lower acceptance rate, the desire in china to go to a top university is much greater than in the UK or America, in fact I know people who want to go to some universities just for the nightlife and not the uni

[@observeirene]

No necessarily. A lot of times the parents just think education in America is better. So they send their kids if they can afford it. Especially if they don’t like the communist party and prefer democracy and freedom of speech(my dad is one)

[@wsl3119]

Regardless of what the CCP has become or once was, you have to admit Deng was way ahead of his time. If it weren’t for him, there would be no threat China now. Must’ve done something right.

[@doom2avatar]

Lol! He was also responsible for tienanmen square

[@oliverm1255]

@@doom2avatar dumb dumb

[@wsl3119]

doom2avatar please tell me oh moral one, what would you have done? Given you seat to an 18 year old college student in hopes they will bring prosperity? If you’ve never been in China, or research what actually happened,you don’t get a complete view from your public school system education. Sorry for your ignorance.

[@UmbraHand]

@@wsl3119 so this justifies shooting up students and torturing them over the judicial system? It is about human dignity

[@UmbraHand]

Jose Raul Miguens Cruz Just how Mao was trying to purge the elements of the Gang of Four, of which Deng had strong participation? Yeah sure

[@CC-lq8st]

these chinese students in LA are literally driving ferraris to class

[@animerocks2468]

Anyone notice how tall these guys are too? Seems like the guys are 6 ft+ on average. Speaking as a UCLA student, but I heard it's the same at UCI.

[@jimsy5530]

​@@animerocks2468 That's because you don't grasp how big and diverse China is. The Western media's attitude of Asians being beta males, combined with a concentration on the small, slightly built Southern Chinese as being the typical Chinese is pretty flawed. One reason for that is the proliferation of Hong Kong media in the 1970's. Hong Kong people, as Southern Chinese, are indeed slightly built. However, if you look at the North and North-Eastern Chinese, they're on average very large - often well over 6ft (the women too), and strong. Northerners have Mongolian and Manchurian ancestry, as well as being near the Russian and Korean borders. I've been to places in Heilongjiang in Winter that are -50C exc. wind chill. You don't survive in that environment by being 5-feet tall and having no meat on your bones.

[@FearlessMagpie]

Jo C Survivor bias

[@BK-sx5ps]

Land money

[@LauraLin_]

There are very rich chinese or very poor chinese like my family hahha

[@GreenCrap24]

Its not only tuition to the universities. It also helps the local economy of the university city. Undergraduate international students spend a lot on luxury cars / clothings.

[@Apryogi]

When politics influences education, it's so pity 😔

[@aerojetrocketdyners-2538]

Ironic how most world changing political movements started in Universities, now world politics are shaping universities, this is how the world is devolving.

[@TheGolfdaily]

Yeah I agree. CCP is using educations systems around the world to promote their agenda and Propaganda.

[@allmendoubt4784]

Bizarre. Politics begins with cultural learning.

[@bankpigg3411]

agree

[@raymondjames2976]

@@TheGolfdaily just shut up plz. one of the most popular hobbies of western is to discuss democracy or freedom with Chinese PROACTIVELY. I am a student in Canada and I have never seen that. Do you know why? Cuz Canada is the only country who truly focus on education and ignores ideologies. Now you can see why Canada is not on the video. Just stop blaming others and forget to find out problem on yourselves when UK US Australia never respect China but keep earning their money. Just look at what Canada does.

[@amineamoune678]

Insurance about Chinese students not coming!!! Weird capitalism

[@nelumkalachuchi1154]

You are too nice . Should get a closer to them to find out what they really are.

[@anringo7682]

@@nelumkalachuchi1154 sorry what is that suppose to mean?

[@luxxy707]

Capitalism is only for profit.

[@wisaterhune9077]

It is the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. They rely heavily on international students.

[@malakatan3235]

@@anringo7682 He is one of Indian who got too much doses of Western & India media propaganda that promote racism against Chinese

[@crazyc4793]

There's also a niche group of Chinese students who have been in the US since the end of their elementary school years. They are not US citizens but they also don't see America as an option they can choose to opt out on (consider they've barely received any Chinese education and would've spent half their live times in the US by the time they graduate college). They are not quite American but not quite Chinese either: they are raised to be children of both worlds. They will be the ones who are gonna be hurt the most when de-globalization manifests.

[@edwink1467]

haha you just described me in a nutshell

[@deeb.9250]

Can they work in china as translators? That's an awkward educational background to have

[@Ryan12458]

Oh hey that's me lol I actually ended up becoming a US citizen recently though :)

[@quick4588]

@@deeb.9250 There has been too many translators in China. Consider that the salary for a normal translator is 5,000￥/month while you should spend more than 400,000 ￥ to develop a western graduate for the Chinese parents.

[@davechilling8139]

Yes the returnees are called sea turtles

[@el8801]

Old men declare war Young Men Died in War

[@MeiinUK]

Sun Yat Sen, went to a uni in the US. Chinese people, dug in the soils of California land, for gold. Soong families and sisters, built a vibrant Shanghai, and helped those who needed help. And all it took were a few handful of students, knocked down the relationship that went on for like the past 70 odd years, and beyond ?! Even Mao met one of the Soong's sister as well.... and I think she was recruited into the CPC party or other... I do not know what role she played in the end. All help, to raise the poverty level up. Only to be knocked down now. This is possibly the saddest thing.. I never knew that, there were SO many chinese students... I think the figures are a bit high... I think that the figure can come down a little bit. And then, also to do overseas online lectures as well. So some who are capable of behaving themselves should be here in the West. The ones who could not... need to stay at home and connect online. There are also relationships with some of the uni like Harvard as well. It had chinese donation money too !!! I think these kids have lost their minds...

[@jimmyliu_youtube]

You can see nowadays more and more Chinese students are critically thinking about the arguments from both sides. Admitting the limitation of any system is the precondition of making changes happen.

@Ruby HypatiaThe problem is the real democracy simply doesn't work, just like real communism.

[@dorsiewhitepaper4495]

Ruby Hypatia first of all, you must have read too much propaganda from your MSM. Secondly, it is the US sanction that stops people in Venezuela from developing their own resources and economy, because they nationalized their own natural resources and kicked out those western companies. Thirdly, we don’t think we have the best system but we are confident that it’s evolving and in our system and we won’t need to tolerate any populist leaders who just put up a show but do nothing. For your 200 year old system, it seems very fragile when it comes to all kinds of crisis. And no kidding, Chinese communist party has the biggest opposition in the world, which is all the liberal parties combined in other counties. So the only thing they can do is to prove that they are competent and become better and better to its citizens.

[@George-cv2iy]

@Ruby Hypatia Democracy is never mentioned in the constitution. The system is structurally more of a republic, with some democratic elements to make sure powers are balanced.

[@LeanBackNplay]

... In the meanwhile, the average western man does not speak Chinese, he has likely never been to China, he knows nothing about the country's history, culture, society or politics. Yet at the same time he believes he is an expert, judge and juror on the subject.

[@umarhussain1089]

In all my years at university I never met a single Chinese student who was sympathetic to the Ughyuirs, in actuality they usually called them terroists and deserved it. I did an intro to manadaring and had a few language exchange programs.

[@lalakuma9]

I'm more confused about the term "financial blow". University tuitions have inflated very quickly in the past few decades. Clearly they didn't need to charge nearly as much tuition back in the 70s. So where did all the money go? It certainly doesn't go to the instructors 😒

[@cileft011]

straight into the pockets of university board members, meanwhile the universities rely more and more on adjunct professors and grad student instructors for teaching cause they can be paid less 😒

[@TheMrgoodmanners]

Instructors are actually very well paid in the US. Avg salary of an associate prof is abt 100k in most states. At instate tuition rates it would need abt 25 full time full paying in state students to cover the bill or just one prof.

[@CCLethe]

@@TheMrgoodmanners the math doesn't seems to work out. $40000 for tuition per student requires 25 students to make $100000?

[@TheMrgoodmanners]

@@CCLethe I'm talking abt instate students they pay abt 4k for a full load of classes in most states

[@sentryion3106]

TheMrgoodmanners here’s a thing, not all professor that teach in Uni are “true” associate professor. A lot of them are considered teachers or lecturers who have little salary and barely any power over their work enviroment.

[@dexterspeights3484]

Why over pay for a degree when you can go to a another country to get a degree cheaper and better like Germany or Denmark!

[@ThanhThanh-it1pm]

They dont care how much money they pay. They steal patern of tech. It 's more expense than colleg free

[@kingstonfung3977]

@@ThanhThanh-it1pm how? the lecture materials are from textbooks that anyone can buy

[@ev.c6]

They do. I study at the Danish Technical University and there is *a lot* of chinese students here. From undergraduate students to PhDs.

[@ThanhThanh-it1pm]

​@@ev.c6 China They have 1.4 billion people, they have 20 millions student in china and millions abroad . "a lot of chinese students" is not big percent, far less than chinese students in US, UK, AU

[@ThanhThanh-it1pm]

​@@kingstonfung3977 after graduate they work for company in US or continue to study to graduate PhDs and work for professor, they collect partent . My friend work for semiconductor company in VN, headquarter in US . That company have branch at Shanghai. He found out all email he sent to Shanghai branch to be resent to China GOV.

[@aad8637]

The problem is many Chinese students who went abroad lately are disappointed with the western system and more supportive of the system in China. That’s why you see the more conflicts. They are not becoming more aggressive, but only more disappointed. Things will not be the same after pandemic as people’s perceptions have changed.

[@gold9ja]

Wow, didn't know China had so much power on western universities, it makes sense though the way China has risen as a dominant player through the decades worldwide , interesting.

[@doom2avatar]

The uk ones will be fine. The American undergrad schools are greedy pyramid schemes that funnel all their money into coaches and admins. They deserve what they get. Don’t forget that Harvard took COVID bailout money when they had tens of billions in the bank!

[@gold9ja]

doom2avatar thanks for the info, I didn’t know about Harvard but I can’t be surprised.

[@artonio5887]

its not that much power, as they said, they represent 10% of uni funding, but that's it, on the other hand, you'd be surprised on how much china depends on these students, china constantly steals tech from the west and learns from the west, the more they lose contact with western research the less tech development they will have, its impossible to have innovation anywhere near the level that exists in the west if your country is authoritarian and communist, Chinese students have no where near the level of ambition that westerners have, and if they lose contact with western culture they will have even less.

[@TheNecromancer077]

Check Wendovers take on Australia's china problem

[@pineapplesareyummy6352]

​@@artonio5887 LOL! Keep deluding yourself this. When Europe went through its scientific and industrial revolution, EVERY SINGLE ONE of its countries were 'authoritarian'. Most successful Asian countries are still 'authoritarian', so that's clearly no relation between that and the accumulation of knowledge/innovation. Asian countries don't want to be polluted by subversive ideas in the US (just look at the state of chaos there now, the deficit of trust, the political polarisation, the inability of the US government to have any meaningful control over their people, who would want to emulate the US?). That doesn't mean academics can't freely pursue science/technology and innovate. If Asian countries want to grow steadily and harmoniously, and not risk an internal crisis or even imploding, then heck, I hope their governments are competent enough to block out all the poisonous ideas, fake news and conspiracies that are taking the US down a declining spiral!

[@dlemon2783]

I think your reporting is a bit biased. If you look at the statistic in 2019, Australia and Canada are the two of the preferred overseas study destinations for Chinese students, both representing 22%, while US is 51% and UK is 31%. Canada may even be taking over Australia as #3 now. So why not also mentioning Canada?

[@alfredomenezes8814]

curious about Canada's situation too, should've been mentioned in this video

[@joshua7225]

@T S 53th state

[@ryanhuntrajput474]

@T S well if it was true they wouldn't have managed to be the richest middle class in the world and why are you triggered anyway , did Canadian universities reject your application . and if it your statement had any elements of truth Canada wouldn't have been ranked the 3rd best country in terms of education .

[@geraldwatts5492]

I teach students here in China who want to study abroad. USA is by far the most common destination. Out of 60 graduates each year, 50 or more will go to the USA to study.

[@QuestionEverythingButWHY]

“Every form of addiction is bad, no matter whether the narcotic be alcohol, morphine or idealism.” ― Carl Gustav Jung

[@nikar999]

why i always see you comments lol

[@bankpigg3411]

la pu

[@teacherdude]

'It'll never happen as market forces will not permit it' say those who've never heard of war, severe political upheaval or ideological extremism/passion

[@PS-nf3xw]

Better take care of your own citizen students. Look at the plight of your own citizen students who can't go to uni just because of fees

[@kaiserxblue]

Your own citizens are dumb as bricks! The majority barely know how to read and write and the basic arithmetics, that's about it and you expect them to go to college?

[@pineapplesareyummy6352]

You realise that international students pay HIGHER FEES than locals and are therefore subsidising the education of the locals? Did you think universities are marketing themselves internationally out of goodness of their heart?

[@PS-nf3xw]

@@kaiserxblue Then its high time the unis invest in them

[@PS-nf3xw]

@@pineapplesareyummy6352 So they make themselves vulnerable when those students stop paying. Also, after graduating, dont they compete with locals for jobs? Its not out of the goodness of heart to locals either.

[@richardberman6694]

SpiceYourLife our citizens are not dumb as bricks and on the whole still make up the smartest and most innovative kids you will likely find. No American college should take in international students unless the feeder country has reciprocity with the US. Since American students have zero interest in studying at Chinese universities then we should not admits a single one. Also the risk of espionage is too high. I would have reciprocity with UK as many kids here want to attend Oxbridge and other UK schools as well as others. The tuition paid by internationals is significant but that can easily be offset with admitting more qualified full pay students here in the US who are currently hard pressed to gain admission to elite schools due to quotas for international students and so called under represented minority students.

[@politiksispoker2362]

650.000 it’s nothing in a 1.5 billion population

[@rogerma7831]

Respect for higher education, hard working and desire for success are the key driving force of all Chinese people, whether they are in the US, Southeast Asia or mainland China.

[@umarmansuri6477]

Well said.

[@thevirtualeconomics7551]

I was about to be admitted to the London School of Economics this year but when I found out the tuitions fee for international student for one year I said to myself "f*** it" and I choose the Open University. I will save a lot of money and I dont need any crab employer to tell me about top institutions.

[@saraf5414]

hey, what's it like studying in the OU?

[@Surfing566]

It's much lower for domestic students around 9,250 grand

[@bankpigg3411]

great

[@GanLinLiang]

你知道中国的大学一年学费才5000么？

[@jasonwilkins1969]

I do love that anecdote about Jimmy Carter being called at 3 a.m.

[@ggc7318]

Jimmy Carter made a huge mistake that day

[@levelofdiscrepancy4948]

Here in the UK, education has been an industry for years. Revenue from Chinese students makes up a great chunk of income for universities, particularly in soft subjects like business and media studies, etc.. Talk about market force!

[@allmendoubt4784]

Education has been an industry for ever.

[@nehcooahnait7827]

The invisible hands lol

[@maxdc988]

As a Malaysian, I think the Chinese students should only go to where they are "genuinely" welcome. The host countries of the universities shouldn't bite the hand that feeds them. The students who spent a fortune to be educated don't wish to get demonization of their race and country. Mutual respect is a two-way street.

[@tsresc]

*Say that to Uighirs!*

[@pineapplesareyummy6352]

@@tsresc Uighurs are full citizens of China and have the same rights as everyone else in the country. In fact, minority ethnicities sometimes enjoy even more rights than the majority Han ethnicity - e.g., they were never subjected to the one-child policy, they enjoy advantages for entering universities, etc., because China also practices "affirmative action".

[@yhzh755]

@GnarbySZN🐍 And that's what you got from anti China propagandas.

[@lisashung9442]

GnarbySZN🐍 robot came here again.....

[@serpentzachary1340]

@@tsresc Go to Xinjiang and talk to an Uyghur over there before making remarks.

[@Zerpentsa6598]

Yes, but as China's universities improve, going abroad is not so important today or in future. Take Singapore for instance. It used to have to send its students overseas. But now NUS and NSTU are world class and overseas graduates are not better than local ones.

[@kirikei]

If online classes are seen as cheap, it is the perfect time to develop a new form of training program in partnership with private companies. After 2 years working in an accounting firm i have learnt as much if not more than 5 years studying at the uni/business school. Adapt the system to the current situation

[@itsgarryb432]

The paradox of education is precisely this - that as one begins to become conscious one begins to examine the society in which he is being educated.

[@tongkavern693]

You mean Chinese student examine the CCP China where they have their education?

[@vuvuvu6291]

And the verdict?

[@giorgiosalutogirsang2765]

Not only that, but as an EU student soon to be paying local UK fees, my plan was to continue my masters here or in US. However, because of the growing number of cases within USA and UK I have chosen to do my masters in Korea or Singapore, where its much safer for me.

[@caughtinprovidence7197]

Anything can be politicized , even pure education .....:

[@ericshang7744]

Don’t you realize that everything is politicized when it comes about China.

[@jicecile7934]

There are also a lot of international students going to China to study. And it is now quite old school to say studying outside of China is a comparatitive advantage, because a lot of articles shows that they are disadvantaged compared to top Chinese univ graduates.

[@jietang118]

Deng was from a different generation of Chinese leaders

[@doom2avatar]

Yeah the generation that publicly opens fire on Tiananmen Square!

[@the420aditya]

All CCP leaders are same

[@haoyuliu7622]

Xi has the same personality as Trump...

[@singstar7362]

@@the420aditya child-level thinking

[@santiagorappy71]

Harry Louis don’t insult Xi

[@timedone8502]

I am guessing that the Economist left out New Zealand and Canada on purpose..

[@spellbinder6818]

What would be their purpose?

[@timedone8502]

Spell Binder i don’t know. My best answer to you would be: why did they leave out Canada and New Zealand?

[@caposolomon8745]

Canada, you mean the 51st state of the US? Except for Quebec of course, f*** those guys. New Zealand you mean the island province of Australia?

[@calvinhoward3808]

@@caposolomon8745 Yeah, they're petty unimportant countries.

[@EK4B16A2]

California alone has 2X the population of Canada.

[@wwlouiswwlouis7938]

Chinese young people's understanding of current west is far more better than their counterpart' understanding of China.

[@endorahan4183]

@alex' And is he wrong? Picking grammar mistakes doesn't make you right, it just shows that you don't have any factual arguments.

[@tonyqiu9542]

@alex' What if he likes the western style? You're clearly the brainwashed one, sit down buddy.

[@sjelucten7150]

Chinese students who studied outside China are more aware of racism against them, these students are becoming more and more nationalistic in comparison with the students who studied in China who think the US and western countries are better. Living outside your country makes you love your country even more.

[@missyusuf4546]

People are so complicated!! I never thought that going somewhere to learn something would get so complicated !! Like can you imagine that a student like yourself studying in a classroom and all of this stuffs are happening because of just that!👏😓

[@394pjo]

From Forbes: Last year in the United States 568 thousand students graduated with a STEM degree Last year in China _5 million_ students graduated with a STEM degree. Someone is going to own the Future.

[@UmbraHand]

STEM degrees aren't everything, plus there are sever demographic issues (Half of its population gone by 2050, with an overwhelming elderly population) scientific issues in China, many being already covered by The Diplomat

[@doom2avatar]

Yeah have fun using that stem degree in a country that limits free access to information.

[@doom2avatar]

Suresh Ganapathy to be fair most of the tech isn’t “stolen”. The contracts stipulate signing over key tech and us companies, too greedy and focused on short term stock gains, agree to these contracts and throw away their future.

[@rajsapkota123]

Overflow of graduates lead competition to unemployment.

[@d.y.8881]

@Suresh Ganapathy If you have the question, why don't you further think do they really steal so much as reported by western media?

[@jiachengli744]

The gentleman with Harry Potter glasses in the video clearly didn't do his research lol, I have been learning Chinese for 8 years and went to Chinese school for exchange. The history textbooks taught in China clearly stated that the cultural revolution was a mistake and many people died because of it. Chinese people do recognize their history, they are also aware of the mistakes the party made before, but they still love their country.

[@singstar7362]

We tend to keep these secrets within our Chinese society. It just feels so hilarious everytime to hear the ignorant westerns talking like they know about China, such as the Harry Potter looking guy in this video.

[@UmbraHand]

Catch is, in China, the party is the country. If China were as pure as you claimed, they wouldn't have a digital firewall, would they now?

[@shirleyjiang5071]

@@UmbraHand if they did not have a firewall you would be bombarded by patriotic comments.

[@tranjose]

Loathing the loss of international students but not loathing the lack of opportunity for poor domestic students?

[@wave9303]

basically, they are everywhere .... not just US

[@nostalgia545]

International students leads to international professors who then only hire international grad students and the cycle continues. It’s unfair to those paying taxes to these schools

[@rpbhow1505]

look into the Confucious Institutes. Almost every university with a large number of chinese students has one. Their official mission is to spred chinese language and culture, however in reality it is a branch of the Chinese Ministry of Education and it auctualy exists to keep tabs on the chinese students abrod. The video mentions that a student got informed on for speaking out on china, the Confucious Institute is know to be a back chanel for students to report on their peers to authoritys inside China.

[@jenq6751]

I doubt about the authenticity of this anecdotes. I came here to study 20 +years ago and settled down here in US. I came from China. I see both side of the world, especially how one side portrait another. It is Not objective for sure. I hope more people would have the open mind to visit places and learn with their own eyes and ears.

[@kylexu9388]

Jen Q I think you are right, people from both sides were mislead by political propaganda. Nationalism is reviving dangerously on both countries while mistrust and hatred are accumulating. I always despise those haters. Hopefully one day I could come to the States and see for myself.

[@pac1fic055]

Citations?

[@JR-vc4gm]

You only need a phone number to report anyone....

[@PtolemyXVII]

So it's identical to the US Patriot Act that spies on Americans living abroad?

[@explorerelka]

There was a time Chinese scholars travelled great distances to study in the great Universities of India-- Nalanda, Tashila and many other centres of learning to the North. To the south it was Kanchipuram, Amravati among others. Now the neighbours hardly see eye to eye.

[@erickrcisneros]

That guy has Harry Potter glasses 🤓

[@bankpigg3411]

hahah funny

[@a.shikatoswu5400]

Even in universities, China is dominating.

[@singstar7362]

I feel so sorry to reveal the fact is Chinese students tend to become more patriot after studying in the western countries.

[@rubyl3284]

That’s what happens when the local population doesn’t accept them

[@singstar7362]

@@rubyl3284 that's happening because the oversea Chinese students discover how competent their home government is after seeing the western government.

[@marwanbenhaddach6043]

Sing Star yes, China is so successful at commiting a genocide of the Uighur population, torturing them, let them have no freedom of religion, harvesting organs in living people and even kids, separating families and trying to eradicate there culture. But I’m sure you don’t care, you’re maybe à Chinese paid commenters (apart of the 50 cent army)

[@singstar7362]

@@marwanbenhaddach6043 yes you should also believe Iraq had WMD

[@bobmatt5175]

Lol source??

[@OOOO-fi2gd]

China has put so much money and efforts into the education system, I think that is the reason why China has accomplished so much these years

[@yom-mu5oz]

Chinese family don’t care how much money they will spend, they believe it is a investment which can get benefit in the future, because they want their kids become rich, so a lot of Chinese have stress

[@wenwen9975]

Yes, smart thing to do

[@person.X.]

This has been a problem for ages. When i did my MA back in the 90s I was one of only two UK students on my course at my British University. I appreciated the international nature of the students but I also found it disturbing - exactly who was being served by UK universities? These institutions should be for the benefit of domestic students primarily. It was obvious that the universities had a very strong incentive to get in overseas students to make money. That would be ok to a certain level but the process got completely out of hand. The West has massively overglobalised - universities, trade, immigration etc.. It is high time that western countries return to being run for the benefit of their citizens and not just rich people and foreigners.

[@cachem11]

This is the nature of capitalism and education is just a form of business. Schools try their best to attract customers to pay for their services. There is an oversupply for higher education, especially at postgraduate level in many western countries. But higher education is undersupply in a lot of developing world. Master level courses are designed to milk profits from self-paying students to fund school's research and undergraduate courses, so they can improve their rankings to attract even more (or more talented) students.

[@BeaverChainsaw]

I get what you mean, after all these universities are technically tax payers funded abd should provide education for citizens first, but studies do show that having an international/diverse student body does improve education in colleges. Also colleges are a place to meet new people and learn new things about the world and also serve as an excellent magnet to draw foreign talent to work in the host country and works as a powerful soft power tool. It says a lot about the quality of american universities that xi jing pings daughter went to Harvard out of all schools she could probably have gone to. It's not just about the money! Also it's not like immigrants don't have a part to play in the economy, in america they create 1/3 of all new businesses and have been responsible for many silicon Valley companies.

[@carlos_wang8150]

This is real the nature of capitalism .how are you doing ?

[@SW-fy8pq]

Some of the content can be misleading, for example, China is leveraging its soft power to restrict Chinese students from studying in Australia, the complete fact is the racism against Chinese in Australia is truly pandemic. My sis who is a Malaysian living in Brisbane. she witnessed white ppl randomly beat up Chinese looking guy outside a mall. Her son who is half white Australian has been discriminated by the administration in schools many times in the past. Another one is concerning missing Chinese student in UK. I used to work in higher education sector in England for decade, this policy is never established to please China. It is designed for the authority to keep track of all foreign students in the country. In the past a lot of the students from South Asia (India, Pakistan, etc), Africa and some from China used uni visa as an easy way to enter into UK to work. But after the rapid rise of economic growth in China, the attraction of working in UK has more or less diminished. Nowadays this tracking policy is mainly targeting countries with lower income. It has nothing to do with China anymore. In general the west is hostile against China, many of us believe the reason behind is fear, the west wants to stay in power for as long as possible and they fear China may overtake them very soon.

[@Sarah-sd7kk]

exactly

[@kenlai1066]

Shame on the Economist. Fake news

[@bankpigg3411]

nice comments there `

[@leoncampa]

Chinese students are not only important for universities. Chinese students are also a crucial market factor in real estate and commercial goods. They are a large share of cafe goers, clothing consumers, phone consumers, car buyers, and real estate buyers too. Without them, many, many businesses could see a loss of income as big as 30% or more.

[@drofori5810]

agreed 100% they like to wear and live fancy, they have a high consumption which greatly helps other associated businesses apart from unis and the economy in general

[@drofori5810]

the average spend of an international student in the uk is about 100 grand, massive income yeah

[@durenzhang420]

When Chinese government remind their citizens that there are systemic racism abroad, is called bluff? Please tell me how's that different from a black parent tell his kids there is racism out there.

[@maxcakery]

A very Chinese thing to compare the government to parents.

[@vincentsong1355]

@@maxcakery A government takes care its people. Are you from the US?

[@artonio5887]

@@prathiknayak1434 Chinese parents are known to be quite authoritarian xD

[@0MZetO]

@duren zhang I think you misunderstand his point. The racism against Chinese students has been there since a long time ago. Why must CCP announce this fact only during the coronavirus pandemic? Has CCP been like what you said, a black parent telling the children there is no black racism at school? Has CCP been bluffing all along while promoting study abroad to USA, Australia and UK?

[@durenzhang420]

0MZetO racism against Chinese students has been there for long time, but it still in a small proportion in the past. It’s spread more and getting more extreme to the point the government has to step in and make the warning.

[@hamzasyed]

Why does my comment keep getting deleted? The Economist is deleting comments it does not like.

[@YF-sb4be]

Fair enough

[@liyexiang666]

whats ur comment that got deleted

[@melbourneopera]

comment that triggers utube?

[@bankpigg3411]

maybe

[@theroman2130]

@@liyexiang666 he has to be lying, he didn’t even think about retyping his ‘original’ comment.

[@alienworthreich6175]

10:40 The exchange of students is of mutul gain, not only in the economical respect. China and the "western countries" can learn from each other in many more aspects and an open world view can only be achieved when we accept the different political situations on either side as a starting point. It is up to us all (as humans) to change things for the better.

[@ryanhuang7945]

"if China doesn't change, they change us." - Mike Pompeo

[@Jasonweekpiano]

"We lied, we cheated, we stole." - Mike Pompeo

[@azternight]

american not creative because they too depend with chinese product.

[@yanlongfu8443]

We all hope people could be friendly and well connected. Rather than blame Chinese gov, as the video implied strangely, I think the Gov. of U.S. and Australia should be responsible for the current turmoil. China made it clear for a long time that Dalai Lama was the separarist, yet again and again some politican would use every opportunity to play provocative to fulfill the illusion that they can run against a powerful country and thus may be called "hero". So do these people expect these childish advantures bear no concequences? Or do they want the Chinese gov. to grant them gold medal? What's wrong with limited retaliation? If you watch closely, China has always been on the defense and sensible side. So my advice for the editor: learn to respect others first and drop your double-standard, please, or you will suffer from the illusion and some day, disillusion. When media like The Economist try to blame China for the measured retaliation, ask yourself, who is weaponizing today's world?

[@boomerok6214]

Who is weaponizing today's world? Lets go ask the uighur muslims. Or maybe take a look at Hong Kong under that brand new ccp security law. Point the finger at everyone else all you want. China doesnt know respect unless you shut your mouth and play their game. Notice how nobody likes China except for Pakistan and Akon. Notice how every country around china is afraid of them. Respect is not something the Chinese understand. Mao showed all of us that.

[@dpulham]

New Zealand too! (we're always left off the map)

[@Coffee_break514]

Don't worry.. Canada too lol

[@028TuvaluanHero]

@@Coffee_break514 But you guys are like 10x us. Lets be honest those international students know how to dress up!

[@倪嘉翔]

@@028TuvaluanHero l agree with it，because you need to know that they family have some money，so they can buy internation brand.

[@amirpatel9988]

@@Coffee_break514 lol I am just an Indian who got admission in Canada for mechanical engineering!

[@caposolomon8745]

@@Coffee_break514 Canada, you mean the 51st state of the US? Except for Quebec of course, f*** those guys.

[@hypernovic5301]

Woah!!!! That back drop at 6:50 was "EPIC". 😱😱😱

[@blurryface_1589]

Mmmm so education in USA is a business

[@orionmedivh5859]

One thing to point out is that the reason why China isn’t concerned of stopping its students to ‘hostile’ countries is because the gained value of foreign education proves less and less throughout the years. Many students studied abroad were merely because they want to have a better looking resume, as we call it “镀金”, comparing to their peers, after returning home to look for a job; or just simply because they want to see the outside world. Chinese are more aware of western world than the other around. By picturing China as being communist, as this video still did, is a stereotyping misunderstanding that incites fear which widens the mistrust between the western world and China.

[@mikeparker2486]

*I think you meant "mistrust" not "gap"*

[@raojack8704]

Totally agree. What we Chinese students are fearing is that the US govt may limit or totally ban Chinese international students.

[@alonsohernandez9779]

Fun, they are more worried to chinese students than the own country can afford a education.... I always think one of the major responsibles for inequality are the college system in the world lack of job skills high tuition fees

[@tapirdeaalex7104]

Costs of college in USA is out of this world.Over 20 000 $ / month is insane, this looks like an incredible profitable business .

[@KhoaTang293]

"Because they threaten our number one position, we should ban and restrict their people coming to our university". I guess this is theme of this story.

[@PtolemyXVII]

James Tang unfortunately that seems to be the case. Meanwhile, govts continue to cut funding for US public school education, and american children barely have a grasp of the english language, can't do simple math and lack critical thinking skills

[@KhoaTang293]

@@PtolemyXVII Basic education doesnt matter much in fostering talent, the entrance to university is the most important. The more difficult university entrance exam ids the better student's quality.

[@PtolemyXVII]

@@KhoaTang293 You haven't discovered the way to bypass entrance exams to universities. Most top universities actually don't care about entrance exams as long as you do OK in the top 20% range. They look for something else when they choose students. An IT factor that most people aren't aware of.

[@JigilJigil]

The solution to threat of China is simple, let the Chinese students come and study at western universities but limit it to non STEM degrees, let them study human and social sciences, philosophy, arts, political sciences, history, anthropology and...

[@TangSuijin]

so study trash? pass

[@huanghermann5207]

Parents worry about safety of their children due to covid-19 and hostile west, but the Chinese government encourages them to go abroad (even providing funding). The points made here are over politicized.

[@tealittle2972]

exactly ! As a Chinese student studying in Europe, I feel this analyst is so idealogical but not logical enough. The whole analysis is so politicised.

[@tealittle2972]

@M. N. K. ？？？thanks. I knew that.

[@cninusa]

@@tealittle2972 Don't try to have a normal conversations with a narrow minded person like MNK

[@bankpigg3411]

interesting

[@ismaylhuseynov8705]

With development of China...Now Americans will want to study in China...

[@WESTsChannel]

What a joke !

[@WESTsChannel]

Registered date : ：2020-7-2

[@tsresc]

Ask *Uighirs* dot com!*

[@ddp47297]

Other than tsinghua china doesnt really have any universities worth travelling half the world for.

[@mickkrever4084]

*Who else think this is English-speaking countries' plot to spread the use of English?*

[@bellawu3011]

See THAT is the definition of soft power. After WW2 the Anglosphere really became the dominant power hence their language became the widely used "common" language. There is even no rival after Soviet Union failed

[@PtolemyXVII]

I would actually love it if British teachers and professors all migrated to Asian nations and took over the educational system in nations like South Korea, Japan, Thailand, Vietnam, Cambodia...

[@hunting4honeys]

@@bellawu3011 The dominance of English as a world language started long before WW2

[@FarzanasLaw]

Great video! Can't wait to see more from you!

[@mattbennett9467]

Really interesting content, thank you. I learned quite a lot thereabout the events that led us to this point. Things I had not considered before. Excellent journalism

[@ReasonableRadio]

If China is just going to keep using its students as a blackmail chip, then it's better universities let them go sooner rather than later. It's tragic, and I love my Chinese university friends, but it's also painful to watch them come here only to live in fear of their classmates reporting them. America, Canada, Australia and other postcolonial nations can soon start to accept more students from well-developing India, Vietnam, etc, and hopefully spread any knowhow those countries might need to continue rising without all the strings attached.

[@demlinnalo2030]

Xi jinping=winnie the pooh

[@windywendi]

Yeah, can we just forget politics and join together as young people of the planet? We all hate those old lousy politicians no matter which country they serve.

[@wenwen9975]

Can’t agree more

[@qiaowang7147]

This professor's word say it all, the universities and US needs to "manage China". What kind of country would let another "manage" them? If so, what gives them the qualification to "manage" another country? Would US allow another country to "manage" them? Are US universities trying to "manage" Chinese students like how they manage Native Americans in the past? Through education? Let that sink in for a moment and think about that. Correct myself; not professor but Economics columnist

[@edwardtang1977]

In the US, you have to be successful first to be able to afford going to a top university, and pay the highway robbery tuition fees. I thought you go to learn things to be successful? Or you need rich parents.

[@kwfown]

Just so there is NO MISINTERPRETATION, me being a bilingual feel like it’s my responsibility to address the confusion at 7:03 (written in Chinese) “I LOVE CHINA I LOVE HONG KONG”, contrary to the English part of that poster.

[@0MZetO]

Is that a defense by Hong Kong protesters in case they are caught by CCP Police? Or is that the attempt of CCP Nationalists fighting back against the Hong Kong protesters?

[@josephibrahim7276]

The only thing that I keep thinking about is how their families keep up with those astronomical intuition fees it could range from 20000 to 50000 for a single year and the dollar is 6.84 yuan meaning that in average they pay 239,400 yuan for a single year at least there are 400,000 Chinese students in the us so I keep wondering how many millionaires in this country

[@sjelucten7150]

100 million millionaires I heard.

[@perfectstudents8361]

Chinese students at Western universities is a great investment for the host countries. It's been proven that US-educated Chinese will most likely have some American values, and more pro-American attitudes.

[@adlerzwei]

They don't though. They are too brainwashed for that.

[@hongmingli5291]

@@adlerzwei It's not that we are not pro-American. We are friendly to Americans, but we are not fools. We can rationally compare the pros & cons between the US and China. I have read The federalist paper, The wealth of the nation, and Benjamin Franklin's biography and wrote articles about these topics, so I am confident to say that I know the US democracy better than most American students know the Chinese political system. To be honest, the US system is not attractive enough for me because it is not that efficient in decision making and not fair to the ill-educated people (who are easily brainwashed by the media and affected by populism). I still think a republic governmental style (rule by the elites) is better suited for current China. Maybe after 30-40 years, China became a developed country, and the Chinese population is well-educated enough to rationally give public policy suggestions to the government, things might start to look different.

[@schan5436]

Rennie talks about the opportunities lost to Chinese students for not coming to the West. Has he thought about the lack of understanding of the West about China because it does not bother to learn about China?

[@GauravKumar-yq8br]

This video is not china vs america..This video is all about china china and china..Misleading headlines

[@GK-op4oc]

As USA workers and all students embrace a "work and study" from home policy, why can't foreign students study as USA universities from the comfort of their homeland ? If a USA 3rd grader can do it, surely a college student from China or India can do it

[@haoyuliu7622]

Never a fan of the Chinese government nor the Trump administration but stuck in the middle...

[@EbuzzNYC]

Trump gets voted out in November, the CCP has been in power for a long time, and only a revolution will change this.

[@guangyang547]

@Eddie Bustamante Democrats and republicans are nearly the same. They represent the interest of the rich, the capital but different groups.

[@animewatch4213]

US gov might have two parties, but both parties are the same. Extracting wealth from the world and people for the 1%.

[@EbuzzNYC]

@@animewatch4213 very uneducated comparison, especially designed to reduce voting which causes that in the first place.

[@pineapplesareyummy6352]

The CCP is competent, Trump is not.

[@Skannan1994]

It's time for American, British, and Australian universities to stop depending on Chinese students and instead try luring students from Eastern Europe, the Indian Subcontinent, and South East Asia.

[@AmericanskyEnglish]

or how about we just run our public institutions of higher learning for our kids? the costs are out of control... I'm all for foreign kids attending, but let's not plan policy around them.

[@sjelucten7150]

Money talks !

[@jasonjean2901]

Most of this analysis about China was a joke, so I'll just stick to a specific point. Australia did, in fact, call for an independent investigation into the origins of COVID-19. However, this wasn't a reasonable proposal, so much as an attempt to, along with the U.S., blame China for the virus outbreak. When the WHA adopted a proposal for an investigation into COVID-19, it was nothing like the proposal from Australia. The WHA proposed an international body to do the investigating, the WHO, and they proposed to look for the origins of the virus all over the world, not just in China; given the increasing data suggesting that that virus did not originate in China, this made sense. The fact that these details go unmentioned show that this supposed "analysis" is nothing but anti-China propaganda.

[@Captain_suiii]

Exactly!

[@nelumkalachuchi1154]

傻逼

[@eatmanyzoos]

the us did not blame china. our president did. the one who lost the majority vote.

[@jasonjean2901]

@@eatmanyzoos Unless you want to claim that the U.S. President doesn't represent the U.S. government, then the point you just made doesn't matter.

[@PtolemyXVII]

Coronavirus is type of the common flu. I doubt these agencies even know what covid19 is nor how to test for it, hence it would appear anywhere in the world

[@alanturing6232]

I think the West should learn one thing from China: in China, the more top universities are instead, the cheaper the tuition fees are, and if you come from a poor family, studying hard is the only thing you have to compete with the rich kids. Before 2012, there were a lot of technocrats in China who came from poor backgrounds, these peoples was one of the reasons why China survived the global economic and financial crisis of 2008.

[@TS-vw8rc]

Please help me ,I have a doubt India ranks 2nd in international students but it has not observed advantage like China, despite the fact that Indian Economy is much more open than Chinese economy.

[@pineapplesareyummy6352]

Not even close. All rankings have China as a much easier place to do business than India. China has much less regulation and much lower tariffs than India. You need to check your facts.

[@dorsiewhitepaper4495]

From my limited experience and observation, Indian students are not such big spenders as Chinese students. If Indian students, as a whole, bring more money, not only from tuition but also from shopping, accommodation, dining out and traveling, I feel you guys will have more advantage, coz you know in capitalist world, it’s all about money. Secondly, Chinese local governments even build roads, factories and help foreign companies to get loans with very low interest rate and help them get well-trained labours(at least with specific vocational diploma) I don’t understand what do you mean by your economy being ‘more open’.

[@yadisfhaddad722]

There is no scenario in which less mutual understanding, and not more, is ideal for the future.

[@coolstay85]

Studying or living abroad is another way of money laundering.

[@aFfoochen]

Mr. Rennie. Respect to your open-mindedness. Great video.

[@isabelhill4031]

Not all the Chinese students who studies abroad is sent by the government, they just want to make themselves more excellent and want to have a bright future.

[@rafique10ce30]

This report did not bring the Chinese universities in equation. I have seen over past 10 years , chinese universities have heavily invested in themselves and at least in the field of engineering and technology , they are reaching the same level of quality as western universities.

[@shenliu8269]

No matter where Chinese students study in, most of them are going to consider the current world increasingly objective and critical ,and with honesty and braveness. I never doubt it.

[@seanlee9377]

Chinese students entering universities in Anglo-Saxon countries is actually part of Chinese culture of learning from around the world. But I think China learned more from Singapore than from the USA

[@amineamoune678]

Why international students have to pay up to 6x more than the locals!

[@UmbraHand]

Because local student families pay taxes. Simple. This happens all over the globe

[@liyexiang666]

because there is a market for such price

[@drofori5810]

Berui ya, same for uk, one of my fellow offer holders told me that the admissions officer she had been in touch with for months got relieved of her duties

[@wowatbeijing]

@Timothy Gray also in some of EU countries

[@abdever2140]

Be careful of China

[@bradzillabrave6856]

4:33 University of Utah. Not very often we get used for videos, especially international ones.

[@PHlophe]

Your hair dye is pretty.

[@nagsen4921]

I love China.

[@cedricwai7499]

Australia got itself to blame for following America on bashing China.

[@caposolomon8745]

So..... What's happening to the Uighur Muslims is okay then?

[@linodo]

These universities that accept Chinese students should have statistical data: family background, English ability, political orientation, worldview, and so on, but one thing needs to be noted: in China, the cost of lying is very small, so the reliability of these data is not high.

[@adamhan1980]

It's not just Chinese government trying to use Chinese students as bargaining chip, western countries have also become less welcome and more suspicious of Chinese students, just look at Trump's policy change on what Chinese students can study in the US and Australia's increasing suspicious of Chinese students, both the push and pull will make it more difficult for Chinese students to study abroad, which only creates a lose and lose situation for both sides.

[@serpentzachary1340]

Chinese students are really nice sad to see that they're being used as bargain chips and unwelcome by the nations that they've invested in.

[@primordialbeing]

US can learn a lot from China. A lot.