NEW! L-TWOO eRX Blue Edition: What's new? Did they finally fix the issues?

[@801chris]

Can't wait for your wheeltop review

[@PauloSerra]

I'm using it for a couple of days !!! So far so good... only small niggles with the app.

[@801chris]

@@PauloSerra is the app translated well to English?

[@PauloSerra]

@@801chris yes. It's in english now. That makes it much easier :D Niggles as in, sometimes you need to force close it and reopen to get it to pair again. It gives you a popup that a firmware update is available but then it says you got the latest when trying to update. I talked with them, it was just a version they reverted, so it gives the popup, will be solved when they actually release something. It's not perfect, but usable. It still does not pair with Garmin/Wahoo/etc, so you can't see the gear data on the GPS, but they mentioned it's coming soon...

[@801chris]

@@PauloSerra got it. I understand all the bugs and stuff as long as it's translated well. Everything will be furnished as it goes. Thanks for the info tho

[@maniastrat]

Me 2 on wheeltop Especially since they offer a cable brake option

[@pierrex3226]

Fwiw, I've installed 5 er9 groups. All been flawless. Haven't ridden in the rain, people have had success with liquid electric tape around the RD plug to seal it. Everybody seems to have the new version with springs and not tabs in the battery. That was causing the group to die / go to sleep for no reason. The other problem for some is weather proofing, and this liquid tape thing seems to work. I don't think anybody has had problems beyond that. Bearing in mind that most people who install these groups are individuals who don't really know what they're doing, me included. Point being: I am very happy with my L-TWOO er9.

[@Sansuiification]

Dielectric grease works too (silicone grease)

[@CrazyAboutCycling]

Sadly this isn’t a fool-proof for EU/UK weather. If Di2 can handle it, they need to reverse engineer a better system. Otherwise what’s the point?!

[@pigupigu]

I've waterblasted the shit out of my erx. And ridden in rain. 3000km no issues Another friend has done 5000+

[@peterhsu355]

how do you use it, just fill connecting ends with the grease?@@Sansuiification

[@pierrex3226]

@@peterhsu355 you plug the cable and you just make a bead around the seal so that water can't possibly enter into the plug socket

[@thejuampi]

looking forward for a complete review. Looks really promising

[@paulstuart9465]

Very interesting. The new logo's are a big improvement as is the front mech reshape of the plastic cover. Can you let everyone know when the updated version will be available. Thanks.

[@p5ng476]

Indeed! Look changed from „cheap Chinese groupset“ to „I could be from a major brand groupset“

[@ross__mcl]

Hello! Is there any sign of these being sold? I've not seen the new version anywhere. Thanks

[@rascal1234]

Good stuff! I am glad there is a serious competitor to the majors. Should keep their pricing honest.

[@sig256.]

I had thought that perhaps a similar update might be coming to ERX since the shape of the levers and calipers had changed when the EGR was announced, but I never thought it would really come!

[@jimbo9030]

If one of these Chinese companies just made a TT blip button, then I'm pretty sure they would dominate the build your own TT market

[@trackar134]

Ordered the EGR groupset, very cheap with the current sale and excited to try it out.

[@Carftymk]

i hope they will consider dropping the price somewhat, it's not very competitive against 105 di2 after you add the drivetrain and rotors

[@travispyle2905]

Yes get it to like $400 and proven reliability, and then will sell like hotcakes.

[@invisiblescout6335]

@@travispyle2905 er9 is close to that

[@heksogen4788]

105 DI2 is 2.5 times pricier than this, what are you talking about? A new crankset is 150-200 usd and rotors are like 20 usd each, casette is 100 usd and chain is 40usd. You are still way ahead of 105 di2.

[@Carftymk]

@@heksogen4788 ERX is $720 on pandapodium. i think you're being conservative with those prices, add ~$350 as you said for the drivetrain and rotors, thats $1070 for the full groupset, or ~750-800 if you get er9 on sale and cut corners on the crankset. that's great and all, but i can often find FULL 105 di2 for 800-900€ on sale.... why would i even choose ltwoo at this price?

[@qwertyazerty2137]

Ltwoo has an issue with their qc and assembly. I had two gr9 groupsets in a row with the same problem of left lever bleed port bolt overtightened to the point at which it does not budge and you end up stripping its head. And their customer service is rubbish. I asked them to check these ports before shipping but they refused saying it's already checked, but apparently it's not. Also the quality of these bolts is rubbish. Firstly the metal is too soft if you can easily stripp its head. Secondly, the heads are badly machined as there is too much play for the allen key to fit tighlty enough to engage and loosen the bolt, but it wouldn't be a problem if they weren't tightening them so hard in the first place. I returned the first groupset with free shipping andgl got a full refund although nobody reimbursed me the customs. With the second groupset I managed to loosen the bolt with a torx bit and asked ltwoo to send a replacement bolt because I think this one will get stripped eventually. Still waiting for their response... And this is not just me or just the gr9. I saw one review of e9 groupset on ali where the buyer had the same problem.

[@tubularmonkeymaniac]

If I'm spending a chump change on a gruppo I expect cut corners. But as Ltwoo try and compete with more expensive kit, they can't get away with it. I won't be touching their higher end stuff for the foreseeable future.

[@qwertyazerty2137]

​@@tubularmonkeymaniacyep, I think that with all these hydraulic groupsets it is a gamble you have to account for. With the mechanical groupsets, both road and mtb I think they are worth the risk as they are really dirt cheap. I've had their R5 shifters for 3 years now and they are all fine. Same partiallt with the AX 11 speed mtb groupset. All fine expect for the shifter who's clamp bolt snapped for no reason half a year after purchase but it was an easy fix. With such faults you can see where they are cutting corners to compete with price.

[@maxpetification]

agree, they are still much too expensive for what they are offering, if you consider that you still have to pay taxes in EU

[@heksogen4788]

Do you use quality allen keys?

[@touzenjodan]

I believe that if you purchase such devices from overseas, there will be legal problems with radio waves, but are the regulations in each country lax?

[@ChinaCycling]

As long as they don't use any frequencies that they shouldn't use, I think the risk is low.

[@michaelmechex]

This looks very nice. It's almost a shame I'm currently set for drop bar groupsets for years to come. Although I'd prefer a mechanical version, is that one getting new calipers as well? Also I'd really like to see dropper post compatible left lever on the mechanical gravel version, that is probably the biggest reason I went with Shimano

[@ЯрославЛихачев-ф3д]

Hi! Thanks so much for comparsion! Can you say release date? I’m building my bike from AliExpress and can’t choose between old and blue version. It depends on release date. Thank you!

[@seraph4581]

Damn good. If they offer electronic shifting for mechanical/rim brakes they'll definitely make an even bigger splash in the market. Those'd be fantastical upgrades for any bike out there.

[@yoyo510]

10:00 TBH you can say that for the other electronic groupsets we've had over the years. It comes with the complexity of adding more components for better performance. Every person I know who's owned electronic shifters have had power issues, both resolved (driving vibrations draining the battery) and still a mystery. I'm just glad someone's been able to step up and challenge what was a duopoly on the electronic groupset market and really show us how overpriced they have actually been.

[@yspegel]

Good that they keep improving.... I'll wait for reviews a bit =)

[@bobbafett1971]

So....where is the link? I dont see this anywhere on ali express. Only old versions

[@SgtFinaldo]

WheelTop are another electronic groupset, they had a MTB system available the past few years, but havent seen any coverage. But they do have a road groupset out now. Early adopters beware!

[@robertwhyte3435]

Looking forward to the build.

[@philipsimmonds1103]

I've put 5k on the egr.. flawless.. changed the lithium battery.. and siliconed all the electrical inputs .. it's on par [rear derailleur] to my ultegra d12 .

[@seraph4581]

Very good to hear that, I'm looking forward on getting this groupset in the future. Never thought I'd be able to afford anything even close to Di2 performance

[@richiejames928]

How can you say flawless and then go on to say you had to silicone all the inputs to make it waterproof….. that’s a pretty MAJOR flaw. 😂 laughable.

[@philipsimmonds1103]

@richiejames928 .. thus .. it's 'flawless'.. I took some information and created a solution.. I've also tweaked my shimano..

[@richiejames928]

@@philipsimmonds1103 haha wow.

[@stephenbetley9596]

Getting hold of the new edition seems to be a problem. May have to wait until well into '25 or just stump up for the 105 which seems to have come down in price somewhat.

[@HaoTran-jv6pz]

I need them to do the rim version 😤😤

[@fpgamemearray]

agreed, this would give some competition to wheeltop and a lot of people still ride rims

[@darrengarvie8832]

I agree too we need a rim brake type

[@ariffau]

Wheeltop EDS TX

[@cpt.slackbladder3187]

Yep 💯

[@jasonreynolds1715]

Us old retro rim brake users have been left behind - it’s a crying shame!

[@IanCoveny]

If you’re thinking of L-Twoo, I cannot strongly enough recommend against it. I have two group sets, the RX and the GR9, and they’ve been a disaster. Unfortunately, I don’t have the platform that Trace/GC/Panda has, so L-Twoo just dgaf about my issues, and I’ve been stuck having to replace both with Shimano/SRAM. All-in, I’m out 2x what I would’ve been just going mainstream in the first place.

[@TheForestgump79]

hello where can we buy new ltwoo blie edition I couldn't find it. thank you

[@edymarkonthego4096]

Seems identical. Let see if the performance and longevity testing make the difference.

[@poudreuse8391]

Thanks for your work!

[@carlogalopo2605]

I hope they release a mountain bike edition

[@Maffy-h]

Great video as ever. Just a quick question l-twoo erx carbon or wheel top eds road carbon groupset. Which would you buy if you only had 1 road bike? Thanks and keep up the excellent content

[@godwindracing6056]

5:33 you now got a pair of AMSR musical instruments with those shifters

[@michaelbruceharding]

excellent videos, and has helped me to make the buying decision on the eRX groupset today. I dont believe I have the blue edition coming though? I have a question, is there a compatiable oversized rear pulley wheel for the eRX rear derailer?

[@everythingRICHARDIFY]

Hi there, did your groupset arrive already? How is it performing so far?

[@dennisvangenabith]

Any ideas if there will be a new eGR blue edition be released anytime soon? Many thanks, Dennis

[@LordFata]

Got a question regarding brifter shape. My GR9 feels great so far, but the shape is somewhat tapered towards the front, feels a bit like "falling into the front" compared to the Rival Hydro I had before. Is the eRX a bit wider at the front than the mechanically-shifting hydro LTWOOs? Hard to judge from the video. Great content as always, many thanks!

[@Dobiecx]

When will it be available?

[@kozmicbluescali1]

Hi, is the industry going to consider 1X chain rings for road bicycles, ? Because of the simplicity, aesthetics, practicality and lightness?

[@peteriversen1613]

The “Blue” Edition is for sale now but the problem is that none of their official dealers have it. That’s my problem here in Thailand. L-Twoo told me that it available but don’t want to sell it to me as I am individual. They just refer me to their dealer here in Thailand and he is only willing to sell me the old version as he does not have the new version on stock. Frustrating

[@mickaelbouffaut6840]

I bought a eRX group set 3 months ago. up to now it was working find and it just died. To answer from the rear derailleur, cannot charge and cannot see any LED or connect with the app. I checked the battery the cables and everything is good. Rear derailleur seems dead. So far I have no support or answer from where I bought this. I believe I won't get any soon. It is a big disappointment for me as it seems to be non reliable equipment. Dead after less than 3 months. probably less 400km.

[@xuchenglin6256]

Looks interesting... One question (actually 2): is the brake compatible with existing Shimano calipers??? what I mean is can I just buy an pair of levers and RD and FD, put them on, and then I'll have wireless electronic shifting with the same old actual brake??? The second question is how safe in your opinion as of the "Brake"??? You know the worst of worst is a break failure when you going down hill at car speed... I had one when I accidentally ran out the brake pads, it's just so scary... that when it's metal-on-metal there's basically no stopping power! I managed to a stop luckily with my foot and other brake, almost crash into the corner, which is the side of the mountain... Though this is human error but it's just to show how critical the brake is... How do you think these products (including the other similar brand, forget the name) will hold in a day to day, sub 0 winter to 40C summer, year over year, seriously hard use situation??? Would these brakes last just as Shimano ones and Sram ones, which is basically forever for average rider, or is it somewhat skeptical, or at least nobody has ever "tested"??? It's funny though that I actually have 0 concern of the electronic shifting part, it's just step motor easy stuff... Well but for the hydraulic brake part... I don't know why I just don't have the confidence, and I actually live in China... 🤣Maybe it's the experience of too many years with "Chinese Quality" leaves a huge shadow over the now better stuff???...

[@kevjr_kev7218]

What the weight difference with these compared to Shimano 105 r7000 and the dura-ace di2..?? Exclude the crank and cassette like.. my head does be kaboomming looking at figures.. wonder would you know off the bat etc..

[@ADVRaiderKTM]

Can you please do an update on Wheeltop EDS?

[@sankarpai]

Purchased Erx groupset in March 2024. RD stopped working on third week of April 2024. Seller stopped responding to my emails for warranty claims. Contact Ltwoo directly who says keep pushing the seller for warranty claim. Its been 100 days now that I spend close to 700$ on this grpupset and cant ride. My advice pay more and get Shimano 105 Di2. Ltwoo support is very pathetic and they go out of your way to say “keep emailing seller until he responds”

[@ChinaCycling]

This is exatcly why Panda Podium exists... products are nothing without good support. We talk to L-Twoo every day and make sure customers get the support they need. Unfortunately not all sellers are as passionate as we are.

[@sankarpai]

@@ChinaCycling Is it onky sellers fault? Ltwoo replied to me in a very poor way as well. Someone called Luke Zhao. He keeps saying keep trying to speak to seller even when i told him over dozen emails seller doesnt respond. Do you think Shimano will treat you like this?

[@sankarpai]

@@ChinaCycling Joe would you be able to help me? I got my first LTwoo RX groupset from Pandapodium as well. As a goodwill gesture could you speak to Ltwoo about my warranty claim? 3 months back I had send then videos in their Insta handle they havent responded. Email to them were reaponded by Luke Zhao who doesnt take any initiative to get me replacement. Would you be able to help me?

[@zerstorer78]

Any idea when the new version will be in retail?

[@Zammmmzounmmm]

+1 to know release date and if the er9 will get similar update

[@jasonxiong8259]

I wonder if my fully external frame can install this half-wireless group set since I really want my bike to be upgraded to electronic but not ends up bank broken😂

[@TheBarnCarsandBicycles]

what is cost? or price range? shipping to USA? seems like a great competitor to DA. Most likely at 1/2 the cost?

[@itsmepickles]

No rim brake option in the works? Shame

[@amol4184]

They seem to push ERX a lot. Will the ER9 get same updates? ERX isn't that light or better than ER9 anyway.

[@maustar6746]

A real problem with this brand (and nearly the same for Sensah) is the lack of a good of services around the products. No decent Web sites, nearly no post sales assistance, no organized technical information, nothing. I do not pretend having all this in my native language (Italian) but english will be sufficient. Sensah have something but L-twoo nearly nothing. For comparison, other chinese brands (e.g. Winspace) have all these things, witch IMHO are very important.

[@cthulpiss]

Can I use this one in gravel? What's maximum cassette sprocket it can use?

[@malcontent_1]

Encouraging, esp. the brakes - we'll see The front derailleur changes are curious

[@seanwatson8831]

Need a tt blip version,thatll be awesome

[@JNU92]

I’m not against L-TWOO but they should do more testing before releasing a final product so it can build that trust with the consumers. (That goes to other Chinese manufacturers also.)

[@philipsimmonds1103]

Shimano sram pinarello trek giant are all manufactured in china .. 94% of all bikes/components come from them .. 'trust' ,isn't an issue.

[@JNU92]

@@philipsimmonds1103 oops I guess I worded it wrong.. “Up and coming” Chinese brands cause those brands that you mentioned been tried and trued that’s why they obviously hold their names.

[@philipsimmonds1103]

@jiggamanjnu1on1 yes .. when I buy shimano I have confidence.. l2 I knew there would b challenges .. ps l2 app is way better than shimano in adjusting shifts .

[@SamuelBlackMetalRider]

Quintessential China Cycling video 👌🏼

[@mikesneaky-h7s]

TT option when?

[@jrmhng]

Are these compatible with SRAM apex cassettes, cranksets and road flattop chains?

[@treyquattro]

big comparo with the equivalent SRAM and Shimano groupset?

[@billmaidment5623]

How about some hydro rim brakes for updating old bikes?

[@fpgamemearray]

no manufacturer developed hydro rims after sram back in the day. i'm sure there are niche products but it wouldn't really make sense for them. I hope they consider a cable actuated version for mechanical brakes, this would cover both rim brake and entry level disc brakes (which are still cable actuated) and would thus be relevant for decades to come

[@scherzo0o]

the capacity? what is the biggest cog it can shift in the rear?

[@bikesavvy3654]

Can you do a video of the build

[@kimwarner6050]

Joe can the gravel groupset be setup to shift like scram. Up on the right shifter and down with the left shifter

[@justineseiferth8010]

Yes, you can reprogram which lever does what. Doesn't have two sets of switches though (more like wrap setup than di2 hoods)

[@kimwarner6050]

@@justineseiferth8010 thank you

[@ravurmovie]

Still not available yet.....😢

[@victorfulgencio6029]

when and where can I buy that groupset

[@2ninjamoz]

does new fd work with the old erx? my fd sucks

[@mikkelhenriksen]

Still waiting for L-twoo and wheeltop review

[@ariffau]

Indsutrial design wise, shifter gets a solid 10/10. But RD and FD are hideous. So boxy and square. Calipers makeover is well done!

[@tteitei]

Do they make a rim brake version?

[@leeroyjenkins7915]

virtually nobody will heavily invest in rim brakes in the future. They will stay as part of pro cycling but the production agenda for consumers only knows disc brakes for the future. You can find cheap/garage sale Magura RT8 (mineral oil) or RED 22 Hydraulic Rim Brake (DOT) and attach them instead of hydraulic disc brake calipers and you get a rim brake electronic version.

[@michaelybanez3240]

When will it be available at panda podium.

[@ChinaCycling]

I got a few different answers from L-Twoo... so... watch this space.

[@michaelybanez3240]

​@ChinaCycling any update on availability? And are they gonna make it compatible with the gravel version? Or are they planning on realising a 2x version of the egrx? Thanks.

[@Keksator]

I can only hope it works if I order it

[@travispyle2905]

My concern is the Pre-release aspect of this "Blue" version... And the Major reliability issues with the Pre-release version of the older units. Please provide an update long term review of the originial ERX. Great to hear the EGX is going good with no issue.!!! That is huge news and should be more focused on. I don't really care if it 50 grams heavier or lighter, we just need it to work. Also another plug for a slightly cheaper road 1by ERX (crit racers don't need a front derailleur). But because you brought up the weight, would be curious to see how this compares to 105/rival electric groupsets. Love the videos!

[@endtimeslips4660]

with that new group set probably i guest the new build bigrock will be sub 6 kilo

[@CreativeFishDesignsCharlotte]

they have a pretty fast turn around

[@geoleo2597]

What we really need is e-shifting for 2x12 flat bar road gearing. Now THAT would be the ticket!!!! Please tell someone to do that. This is also a growing segment that meets the needs of many 😮 Currently I can only do 2x mechanical flat bar road gearing

[@dbgrand]

I would like to receive this new version for test. It will match my frame colors perfectly. If anyone in Ltwoo is reading this please contact me.

[@jaredfontaine2002]

Rim brake???

[@Carftymk]

nope sorry. but wheeltop will have electronic rim brake

[@mikelohmeyer4140]

You need to finish off the build with a set of Kom bike pedals from Pitbull bike pedal. Free just for you:-)

[@ChinaCycling]

Haha, if they hit me up on Instagram i'll give them a try!

[@mikelohmeyer4140]

Just give me an address and a set will be on their way for your opinion. Thanks!

[@Carftymk]

the font you use has absolutely garbage numbers. the 1 and the 7 look VERY similar @ 8:58

[@nochancecw]

Re-brand by selling to a major bike brand. In house groupset to keep costs lower on their bikes. Force SRAM and Shimano to bring down prices. This is what I hope for.

[@manfrommontreal]

Big Rock ⛰⛰⛰

[@PatrickLino]

Subscribing again.

[@wtfiswiththosehandles]

Thanks for letting us know.

[@PatrickLino]

@@wtfiswiththosehandles you're welcome.

[@rugiOHHHH]

gotta water test this new one.

[@thiosemicarbizidebenzoylal2921]

This is huge in cycling.

[@pawelodz8050]

Why so many days awaiting? 😂

[@WeRideSouth]

This is what Joe is calling the "blue edition".

[@olli_brb07]

I dont now but it seems like they took some influence from Shimano😂

[@christophbosshard4028]

Go Joe! 😀

[@DenzCasuela]

L-TWOO eRX Holo

[@tubularmonkeymaniac]

Would love to be able to buy their higher end gear, but they have burnt so many consumers, at this point I'd rather spend more money on something that has a better record.

[@MelissaPerez-d5g]

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[@F4DZ4]

Everything fine but it's not blue dude.

[@CharlesHarris-r6d]

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[@BloomerVicky]

Clark Maria Brown Dorothy Davis Karen

[@psouthworth]

China Cycling life: clicking the clicky clickers click click click click. Click click click. Click click click.

[@Chince02]

Not this again...

[@Incaensio]

Stop saying and yeah

[@jieninofranco4235]

I will never buy that chinese crap,

[@edwarding4355]

@joe. Help these.guys with marketing. Because it is a new generation of er9,.erx, this should be the eR11 or eRIX or eRiX. (Roman numerals for 11.