Chinese eta 2892-A2 Clone - Service and Review - Seagull ST1812

Join me as I strip down, service and review this Chinese ETA 2892-A2 clone. Seagull ST1812 watch movement. There was a couple of issues to deal with but altogether a fairly impressive movement for the price.
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[@laser31415]

I always love how they start ticking before your even done. A machine that can't wait to work.

[@UltimateKeylogger]

Awesome

[@WatchRepairChannel]

Another review video - this time the ETA2892-A2 chinese clone. Sorry about the audio issues at the start - the numpty who made the video (me) forgot to plug in the microphone. About 8 minutes in the audio is better. :D

[@guo-quanyao6312]

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[@axelgs11]

Hi, Mark can you please tell me what type of table working mat you use when working on watch movements.

[@eyeontime6136]

Mark any chance you can do a video on how to properly water seal a watch and what seals need silicon and etc? Thanks.

[@dzikijohnny]

Dude, just make videos without you talking..just take apart and put together movements that was so cool and relaxing with the music. There's a primitive tech channel where a guy builds things and never says a word and gets a million views.

[@WatchRepairChannel]

It's a bergeon anti-static mat - most horological suppliers will provide these.

[@bottletree33]

Mark, I should have gone to bed over an hour ago. Thanks to your soothing voice and choice of hypnotic music you dear sir owe me sleep.

[@drackkor725]

Unreal the skill this guy has. Should be a surgeon.

[@robertcalkjr.8325]

Thanks Mark. Watching you is like watching a surgeon at work! Watchmaking just kills my neck and back.

[@davidbarclay3651]

Very talented. I wish you lived across the pond in New Jersey. We could use someone like you.

[@briansturgill5905]

Great video. The Chinese are some talented people. I have swapped out some gen parts on my 3235 clone. Even the reversing wheels were actually Teflon. Was amazed. Great video.

[@goodless]

Came upon this video because my Longines Conquest L1.634.4 stopped working and it has this ETA movement. Don’t know if it’s a Chinese copy or an original. But I wanted to say that it was amazing to watch you work. That was mesmerizing and relaxing. It was like art being made right in front of you.

[@peyahh]

Great video! I own a Seagull with that exact movement. It is not yet cleaned or regulated but works way over my expectations as is! I think I have had it on my wrist now for two years.. Keep the videos coming!

[@pgsahlman]

I think the music really works as a compliment to your meticulous and mesmerizing work. You are a true master!!!

[@josh09rr]

Love you're videos, I've been binge watching them for the past few days

[@dennisallport5704]

Mark, your professionalism, presentation, demeanor, and skill are a wonderful escape while still keeping my full attention. I've been watching & learning for close to a year now. I find your videos a reliable source for keeping focused on the watches I work on while streaming you in the background. Thanks for your talented guidance!

[@dantaylor1173]

i hope to never have to remove the calendar ring hold down plate @ 19:57 with the microscopic screw, after losing the original it took me 1 week to locate another, i ordered the last 2 from canada, and it took 2, i lost the first and barely was able to get the second to hold, but it did, don't think i have ever seen a screw that small, thanks so much for the video, you saved my broken 2892-a2. Just noticed you left the screw and plate connected, smart !!

[@theonlyredspecial]

Fascinating. I own a few watches with a 2892 and 2893. Great reliable movements. From my own point of view this is really interesting to watch how they are being copied.

[@Q.Q.]

That was far more interesting than I was expecting it to be...

[@TristanColgate]

Very cool. Seagull have a movement with a power reserve that looks like it would be fun (though dials seem to be a bit of an issue). Good to know that the build quality isn't dire at least!

[@andyjburden]

I really look forwards to your videos Mark, they are fascinating and informative. Having taken to collecting watches in the last year, your channel has definitely given me a better understanding of what literally makes my watches tick. Many thanks for all the effort.

[@777bunji]

Great video! After Seagull ST2130 (2824-2), I also worked ST1812. I am not good like Mark, but I also felt good on Seagull movement. Very different vs Shanghai one. One small problem I saw was ST2130 screw was not very sharp.

[@dobly58]

Great that you haven't been unkind to clone movements. Other watchmakers just slate them and destroy at the end of their videos. Not all of us can afford £1000's on a real Rolex and such. We apprreciate clones. Great video.

[@watchhans]

I bought a limited Sea-Gull watch using the ST1812 a couple of years ago in China. I am very satisfied with it´s accuracy (+3 sec./day on avg.). I think that the ST1812 is slightly better made than the ST2130. But usually Sea-Gull use the better produced movements for their own brand. As far as I know Tianjin Sea-Gull Watch Factory also produce different grades of the same movement, similar to ETA´s Standard, Elaboré and Top-Grades. I fear that movements sold on the internet in Europe are only Standard or `Elaboré´-grade movements.

[@MyRetroWatches]

Great video again Mark. You inspired me into this whole watch tinkering interest. I am promoting your video on my Facebook group so hopefully bring you some more well deserved subscribers! Keep up the good work sir!

[@roygardiner2229]

I thoroughly enjoyed watching that and admire your skills enormously. By the way, in my opinion the video quality is superb! It's obviously good that a Chinese product is getting your recommendation: after your last review of a Chinese movement I was very sceptical about them.

[@georgeEPC]

Kind of soothing watching these videos

[@armin0815]

When hearing the typical KZbin ending of "Thanks for watching" it came to me that I was only viewing and admiring your craftsmanship while you were doing all the "watch-ing" ... ;)

[@anthonymckinney885]

Watching your videos is akin to watching a master painter. I'm in awe!

[@lawrencewaite4407]

Great video I just love watching a craftsman at work I just wish I had the skills

[@aHigherPower]

I can't get enough of your videos. lol I'm really enjoying Lessons 1 of the watch repair class. Thumbs up.

[@IndieKidness]

Really love your work, Mark - I've learned a great deal from both your videos and the BHI courses I'm pursuing. I wonder, would you consider doing a video on English-lever/fusee movements? I've struggled on more than one occasion with them, and I've quite a few in my personal collection that I've not wanted to address in case I cause near-irreversible damage. I realise there are lots of variations in these older movement types, but it'd be great to see it done by someone more skilled than I (at least presently ;) give it a few years, I might catch you up).

[@rogers531]

Thanks Mark little wonder you enjoy this amazing work... This is my 4th day on the Seiko auto day date.. This watch is built differently to Seiko 5 etc.. I understand the persuasion of being familiar with the workings.. The incabloc three pronged suspension has been hard, but did them today... Cheers...

[@JxH]

Nice video. One of the extremely inexpensive mechanical watches that I bought had three little disks of metal (punched out swarf) loose inside. One was visible under the crystal, and I found two more. Comedy. PS: I've assembled a 6497 watch from parts I bought on eBay, thanks for the inspiration and guidance.

[@brianplum1825]

Since you're not speaking in front of the camera, you can always separate the video recording process from the later voice over - dubbing process -- just like the background music, which I assume is done this way. Fantastic video!

[@benfidar]

Wonderful. Watching you work is a meditation.

[@freddyt55555]

When assembling the keyless works on my movement, the yoke isn't pushing the sliding pinion flush against the winding pinion when pushing the crown to the winding position. It just kind sits there loosely. The yoke only seems to push the sliding pinion toward the setting wheel when pulling the crown to the time setting position.

[@eyeontime6136]

Please more videos Mark! :) I'm taking your classes, but it's difficult to know all the lubrication areas when serving different models. Can you do a video strictly on lubrication, which to use and where. Thanks love the videos.

[@mountainking9564]

You are masterful. I really enjoy your work. Thanks for sharing.

[@k81law]

Nice. I was waiting for this!

[@reduanakelfrij4311]

I love you're videos so much. You are really amazing and specializes in watchworld. Respect my friend

[@user_uif_ghg_wer_das]

Always like the moment when the balance wheel was put on, suddenly the watch comes to life. 17:38

[@ML-tm1wn]

Thank you for the video. It stops me cold on trying to service my own watch.

[@carloscarvalhido2424]

Very, very instructive for a freshman like me. Thank you.

[@CrimFerret]

After having watched a number of your videos, some of what goes where is actually starting to make some sense. I'm not saying I could do it, but it's getting to where I kind of know what the next section you'll be working on is. It never stops being cool to see the hairspring go in and the watch just comes to life.

[@ReviewCrap]

I tried doing this with a Casio F91W, but failed. 😁

[@henryyen1303]

I've tried to do this with my A1757, but failed. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[@chrisliu4633]

Can you make a video on the Miyota 9015?

[@kylestewart4444]

I've just bought my very first watch and it uses a modified ETA 2892-A2 movement. I'm not exactly sure what modifications Mido does to them but they seem to be very good movements. Not sure I would trust a Chinese clone though.

[@digginstony1]

Nice to see a master at work 😁

[@romanbashkirov1359]

Nice video, Mark! Thank you! What about russian movements review? For example, Vostok 2416B or 2426. It's interesting to know your opinion. ) What do you think about it?

[@douro20]

2416Bs assembled in Lithuania are better than the ones assembled in Russia.

[@RadioStreetsunited]

@@douro20 That's not true. Vostok Europe buys Vostok movements and just do additional regulation, maybe re-oiling in the best case. Stock movements are quite reliable and accurate right from Vostok factory. Correct me if I'm wrong. Thanks!

[@johnnyasus86]

douro20 that’s usually the case with a lot of things made and or assembled anywhere but Russia

[@A-FrameWedge]

@@johnnyasus86 Everybody knows Russia is known for the quality of their goods, not.

[@ghostindamachine]

What an awesome video! Informative, soothing, mesmerizing.

[@MrZeke]

love it as usual! really looking at your course seriously now!

[@MrFsandt]

Hello. Something that I observed in this clone and did not see in swiss ETA's is that the pivots of the barrel mainspring are supported in jewels.

[@watchfan80]

Always Great Mark! Could you perform a service on an Asian 7750 with run seconds at 6? Thank you a lot!

[@BillMrWild]

Very enjoyable video as always, did you notice on the movement the word Seagull,? would you have expected to see it...Thanks for posting

[@Hertog_von_Berkshire]

Excellent. I wish you were local so you could service my old Roamer.

[@strannostrannovasrr]

Chapeau again! Did you apply more lubricant this time than you usual do?

[@enriquetyson3340]

Great Work... Would love to see you cover" A History of Watch Calibers Development.... You are doing really good work...🙂

[@rajgill7576]

How much would it cost a newbie to buy a movement like this, as well as a case and hands, face etc and make his own watch? I would love to have a nice automatic, but the thousands people charge is unreasonable. Im decent with my hands but down to learn haha

[@eyeontime6136]

Mark can you strip and service a Miyota 9025?

[@qwertyman9560]

I am curious about the critical components - for example is the mainspring made of Nivaflex NM as with the original ETA 2892 or Sellita 300-1? Is the balance wheel made of Glucydur or hairspring nivatronic ? I would think the quality of these components decide the durability and ruggedness of the movement wrt temperature shock or magnetism. Your inputs would be great.

[@eduardocastro3181]

Mark, I love your skills as a watch repair man, you make look so easy. Do you work under a microscope when assembling the watch, and what power you use. Great video!

[@Janet_Airlines802]

Why can’t I find a case to fit this movement’s? Is it same case that fits the 6497? When I search for the case for this nothing comes up.

[@coxn1981]

As always an excellent instructional video.

[@Bertminator]

How in the world do you remember the order of things when re-assembling? There are SO many screws & gears, I would be totally lost as to where to start assembly.

[@cactuspharmer]

Fantastic watchmaking video.

[@f2mel2]

I could have bought a watch with this movement for under $279 but I was unfamiliar with the movement or the brand. I think it was La Valie?? Did I blow it?

[@yldraybavas1118]

Thanks mark👍

[@grossemann9721]

How much does a watch Service cost? For example for japanese and chinese movements ?

[@brianmckibben2300]

i got 3 2813 movements to try at $19.00 each. None of them worked properly and one has a bad click and unwinds itself like a tiny vibrator. They also have an odd second hand pinion that will not fit the 8215 Miyota hands it was supposed to or its movement spacer.

[@hockingham7160]

Could we have a neck to neck eta 2824 vs sellita sw200 side by side tear down

[@leonardoserna2238]

Been watch maker for over 12 years sellitas are crap compared to ETA. Many companies now replacing the beautiful Valjoux 7750 with garbage sw500 sellita. Absolute trash and thousands of dollars once cased. No thanks.

[@KhanNakash]

Excellent teardown and explanation. Is the stem tap for the st1812 the same as the ETA 2892-a2?

[@esa062]

I'm not so sure about the interchangeability. Some parts in the ETA may actually be manufactured by Seagull. It would be interesting to see, if those parts fit in the ETA.

[@NGC1433]

I don't know a thing about watches, but I had a dirt cheap chinese scooter that had a motor and drivetrain - a copy of a very popular Honda. Well, it was not only totally interchangeable, but of much higher quality at times. Mostly because it was originally an '80 design and chinese clone was made by circa 2010 technological processes.

[@VWatchie]

Thank you very much, Mark! Very interesting and useful information indeed! I’m now definitely beginning to make plans for building a watch (or two) around these Seagull ETA clones. Can’t wait for your Seagull ETA 2824 clone review! The burnishing of the setting lever and the plate was very instructive and a very nice bonus! Did you use anything else than oil (3-in-1?) and stainless steel tweezers? Oh, and this time my name (Håkan Johansson) was on the Patron list! Brilliant! ;)

[@WatchRepairChannel]

Yes I used D5 but 3in1 or motor oil would do. Naturally done before regular cleaning. And yes, sorry about that last time - i managed to not screw up the credits this time ;)

[@mustachemetalworks]

@@WatchRepairChannel I'm amazed that tweezers are the burnisher of choice... Do you polish the ends of them to ensure a smooth tool finish? Thank you!

[@sony9763]

Thank .you

[@falkliebscher2647]

Thank you, Mark!

[@ajones4064]

Thanks so much for sharing such interesting content!!!!

[@solstar4778]

Yes how does it compair?

[@sightsandsoundsofthenapava2997]

when you cleaned the parts, did you disassemble the balance jewels or just drop the bridge and the movement plate into the cleaner/ultrasonic?

[@domenicfp]

Thank you again for a very good video.

[@DavidBrown-it9ig]

I could be wrong, but it seems you are using more lubricant on this movement than on a real ETA?

[@michaelbauers8800]

Looks like a well running unit, but I can see it's not as nice looking when you strip it down, as say a vintage Hamilton would be. Maybe you really do need to hand finish movements if you want them to look really nice under magnification ( not that the owners would ever know the difference.)

[@Riffme81]

These clone movements look great but can I purchase legit/authentic movements somewhere?

[@chrisdicintio2933]

One I loved the creepy piano music, I would like to see the cleaning process on a well used dirty movement, and if you can describe which oils you are using and where, (D5, Mobius 9010, WM grease?)

[@robc8468]

I just ordered a watch with the Seagull ST1612 movement is that a decent movement also?

[@gaiatree8958]

Hello from France Mark, i'm a big fan of your videos, they are just excellent! A big thank you for your work. I have also a question, I have found on EBay a Seagull skeleton movement (st3620k, very beautifull 6498 like, unlike the other cheap skeleton st36) and I wish to do a watch with it, but I wonder how to do that with no dial since the hour wheel isn't attached to the movement but hold in place only with that copper washer and a dial...if you know how can I do that it Will be great! So much thank you in advance if you have the time to answer...and sorry for my poor english translation.

[@andrerouth4253]

What do you suppose would have happened if you hadn't noticed and repaired the scoring under the setting lever? If the setting lever only moves when you make a time adjustment, perhaps the only long-term effect might be metal debris moving elsewhere in the movement? I just ordered a movement from the vendor in Portugal (along with the other parts from eBay to build your ST1812 automatic watch) and was wondering if I needed to summon the courage to try the service and repair that you so ably demonstrate in this video. Thank you once again!

[@MG-ms9df]

Good job keep it up

[@algottli]

Mark, I love your channel and it's inspired me to build my first project watch. Are cases and dials compatible with the ETA 2824 interchangeable with the 2892?

[@Kolmord]

Dial and hands should be, but the case isn't directly compatible since the 2892 is over 1mm slimmer than the 2824

[@ramrodou812]

great info, mark.

[@BenjaminEggerstedt]

Amazing video, really liked to watch it. I‘d love to be able to work on such movements, will checkout your website now. However, I‘m afraid that my lack of talent can‘t be „purchased away“. ;)

[@ShaunSommer]

Between this and the cloned Seagull 2824-2 other than thickness and better bearing support on the rotor, is there much of a difference in the movements?

[@cajetano2011]

this is a nice job for Jeff Dabe

[@davidcoleman2463]

Now I am wondering about the movement in my seagull 1963 chronograph. What do you think ?

[@ricorico6698]

Excellent vid

[@bnick25352535]

i have a clone 2824 in one of my mod watches and thinking buy a top grade version not sure if its worth it.

[@carlwebb6655]

Fantastic videos. Thank you. Leave the music out

[@andregeokjian2726]

when happens when a citizen Eco-drive movement freezes out of no were and then starts ticking slow and one second later it ticking fast?

[@mGARANDEUR1]

Why are the pallet folk rubies black? Are they just really low quality or are they made out of some other material?

[@billshuey7422]

Great I was waiting to see this before I purchase a seagull movement. Are you located in England or now in Thailand?

[@paulrtche]

Great Video, thank you!

[@drewsmith6066]

This guys amazing ..good job

[@MichaelWilliams-mo1vv]

Just shows how overpriced Swiss watches are. I recall back in 1980 you could buy a Rolex submariner 5513 for £360, An Omega speedmaster for £300 and a Tudor submariner (snowflake) for £210. As junior office clerk my take home salary was around £350 back in 1980 l was able to buy a Tudor submariner. Today many Swiss watches cost as much as 3yo second hand cars. You'd need to be earning at least £60k to consider buying one and it could still take a few months when you consider your monthly bills etc. Something wrong somewhere.

[@proinnsiasoc]

Excellent video. Cheers