Chinese intellectuals often blamed India’s plight on inherent character of its people: Shyam Saran

[@glenndesouza5457]

When Tagore visited China in 1920x he was welcomed with awe. But he refused to criticize China even when asked for constructive criticism saying both India and China are continually criticized by West and I absolutely refuse to join in

[@ArnoldTeras]

How do you know this rare piece of information, my friend? HOW?

[@SivanandaSaiChilukuri]

It was disappointing to see nobody on the panel even entertain the possibility that the Chinese might be right in their assessment of us. We are a fallen nation. No solution will emerge without accepting this reality. As long as we sweep this elephant under the rug, well remain week.

[@Ss-tt9pp]

There's a difference between a "fallen" or "failed" country and a country like India.. India is a developing country which is still recovering from the effects of its colonial past, economically culturally and socially... Whereas a failed state would be a country like Congo, Yemen or Syria where there is utter chaos.. But at the same time I agree that many things have to be changed, but in a country like India where such a large percentage of the population is poor and uneducated, things won't happen overnight

[@siddharthgoyal4008]

@@Ss-tt9pp lots of countries were colozined in Asia who were at much worse state than us. But they ALL beat us now, look at China itself. We were at par/slightly ahead of them post-independence and now. We are an example of failure in Asia.

[@Ss-tt9pp]

@@siddharthgoyal4008 What the hell are you saying?!! So many countries in Asia are so much worse off than us.. Afghanistan, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Myanmar, Cambodia etc etc etc.. The living conditions in India are much better than what is there in these countries.. Sure, India has problems.. But is India the worst? Is India a failed state? DEFINITELY NOT... Indian GDP till last year was the 5th highest in the world.. Btw China was never colonised by the British like India was

[@spk12840]

It is Communist China disinformation war game to humiliate,demoralize & lower Indians confidence level . Can not any Indian see it? Loot at situation at Border & subject of Conference which demoralize any Indian. Look at Institute & surely they are all superimposed by Chinese through their diplomacy & brainwashing.

[@rishab5293]

@@Ss-tt9pp India is far from a failed state but we mustn't compare ourselves with failed post colonial nations in Africa and Asia. As far as India's gdp is concerned it will obviously be amongst the biggest because of our population, what matters is gdp per capita. A report just last week shows india has the highest number rates of wasting and malnourishment.

[@jasha9sandhu]

Most of all Indian foreign policy engagement with the whole wide world - friends and adversaries alike - ought to be always based on realism, rather than utopian mumbo jumbo. It's important to be confident about our potential and work towards realizing, & protect and preserve India's national interest at all costs, all the time.

[@ajayparashar3421]

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[@ajayparashar3421]

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[@sydneydesouza9719]

After listening to Shyam Sarang pink propaganda, I realise now (with people like this) why Indians had such an inferiority complex towards the Chinese & how India since Independence has shown cowardice towards the Chinese aggression. India should now do a complete political RESET of the last 75 years & start from there on the Map that I saw in my youth.The LAC with China should now be again seen as NORTH of the Himalayas on the Tibetan Plateau bordering China & NOT South of the Himalayas. After the recent aggression, India should show some spine- like the great Sikh/Punjabi/Jats/ Nepali armies have shown throughout history. India should now push China back & not make excuses, till this happens.India will suffer during this phase but nothing comes without suffering.

[@akhil999in]

in india by tradition the highest person is from the speaking professions, e.g., advocates, diplomats, politicians, beaureaucrats, priests, judges, etc. at least for foreign and defence if not for all affairs, it would be better to have action professionals like soldiers, scientists, managers, engineers, workers, etc., at the top and the others as service providers or advisers.

[@praveenagarwal1036]

@@akhil999in , Gre8

[@changamanga100]

Indians today actually seem to live in 2050 when India may become a Superpower !

[@medialcanthus9681]

Live in past and future. Better to manage the present. It's not easy but must try.

[@iconoklastik]

The waay it is going it will be Islamic republic of India soon

[@SubhankarData]

Skip to 11:30 for actual content.

[@dasgupta9288]

Individual Indians are very smart and some are extremely smart and well educated. But together, they can not deliver much because every one is thinking the the other one is going to do it. There a blaming culture at different levels also. I think this is because of the political system which is designed for blaming and legpulling

[@sm1256]

Here again you blame political system. All politicians came from the very society you and I live in. So think who you need to change. YOU and ME.

[@Manish_Kumar_Singh]

yeah it's true we followed the ideas of our colonials and we are still poor the Chinese followed their own model and have now progressed

[@whatslifespurpose]

@@aprofromuk the centralised planning model was proposed by the indian capitalists (read the Bombay plan). There were many economic models that were explored and this was best at that time. The problem is liberalisation did not occur when it should have around 1970s unlike China which is where we lag behind.

[@Manish_Kumar_Singh]

@@aprofromuk same model

[@falsafayg]

Excellent. Very broad and unbiased coverage. One point I would like to make that presence of so many Indian CEOs in today’s multinational and digital companies is largely due to command of Indians in Masters language, I mean English, which they have inherited for last three centuries. Give Chinese less than a decade and you will see how they excel even in this area. This is already happening in Western media like CNN and BBC where Chinese experts frequently appear.

[@nestser]

@@falsafayg can't agree with you on the CEO part. There is a hidden glass ceiling for Chinese or generally speaking east Asians in those Europe and America companies' upper management. It's racial discrimination, but not overt.

[@CaptainLevi18]

@@nestser , why didn't the hidden glass ceiling apply to people of Indian origin ? As far as I know American, European companies , the corporates so to speak only mean business and all they care is about the individuals contribution and not the background of the individual

[@ukumar2604]

Enjoyed the lecture thoroughly. Ambassador Shyam Saran very thoughtful and incisive speaker

[@kirtipandit2010]

We become CEO of American company in America ( not in India) while Chinese build their own companies and dominated the world.... Yes we are failed badly very badly lost the race or missed the bus

[@CaptainLevi18]

Chinese build their own companies because the Chinese govt helps their companies. Like it or not, it is only through privatisation that the country can progress. India is somewhat in a good situation due to partial privatisation done in 1991. Sadly a stereotype is built around businessemen like Ambani, Adani who are rich. A CEO may end up being rich by having a company but he creates jobs for thousands. The job requirements of the Indian population can only be met when there are thriving private companies.

[@WolfManThoughts]

@@CaptainLevi18 Dude China runs on "state-capitalism" economic model, which means that the private players and the govt have to both work together, the state will fund and manage investment while the businesses remain entirely private, the state will take a cut from the profit of the business and also impose rules and regulations. In india, privatilzation has failed because even here we discrimate based on caste and community. Thats how many rich businessmen are gujrathis and marwadis and parsis, cause these people have been doing business since the time of british raj and the rest of the community , dalits and other were enslaved and were not able to open their own business. even today this "silent casteism" is revelant in private businesses like Ambani,Adani,Birla,Mittal, Tata, Godrej etc, Do you know Tata and godrej have a "silent parsi quota" as well for their companies to hire peopel from there own community. We need "state-capitalism" in india, and we need to become a athiest communist like Bhagat Singh envisioned , to actually help this nation grow. We need that for atleast 50 years so the caste and religion discrimination ends everywhere.

[@CaptainLevi18]

@@WolfManThoughts, it's through FDI that the initial flow of capital came into China. With the revenue generated by FDI , the CCP was smart enough to usher in public private partnerships and encouraging private companies. Yeah we are divided by either religion or region or caste or language. The problem is whichever party that comes to power thinks less about the development of India and more about winning the next election.

[@CaptainLevi18]

@@WolfManThoughts I don't think being a communist would help. Like you said more no of Public Private partnerships would help a great deal. Even China is just a communist country for namesake. They can give USA a run for their money in capitalism But I agree with your point of being an atheist society like the Chinese. Will solve the religious and caste based problem. But linguistic problem would remain

[@josephj4043]

Even ambedkar said democracy is short lived India. Even now democracy is kind of in 'life support' in India. diversity and huge population has a drawback of slow paced development!

[@maddyc503]

Successful people are admired not poor and divided.

[@jaswindersian3159]

A good lesson on history of the past well presented. We need to strength our culture, traditions, technology, military economy, system and governance. Our focus should remain on excellence in every facet of life. Success has no equal.

[@Kanthavel.KV.Chennai.Bharat]

Whatever is the history... The nett result at present is The CCP in the last 100 years have brainwashed & transformed the Chinese people into a very greedy, extremely materialistic, mad society with no other intention whatsoever other than to make money, kill and eat every moving creature when it's still alive and lastly show no remorse or regret for having spread their military bio lab made Covid 19 virus intentionally across the world and causing a pandemic and incalculable suffering to humanity. China has also destroyed the global economy, and the health of entire humanity forever ( there is no guarantee that a vaccine for Covid 19 will work against all strains of the virus, and remember, the virus is still mutating )

[@KGopidas]

Happy to see that we are nit only mindless patriots but also honest and intelligent professional

[@NidzShah-ps6kr]

The Brahmins never put weapons and knowledge in the hands of the lower castes to defend themselves and the subcontinent when India was under threat of invasion, fearing revolt and overthrow. Instead, they took tremendous sadistic pleasure in enslaving them further by going in bed with the colonizers. Every single British official had a brahmin advisor. So the Chinese position of us succumbing to colonizers with little to no opposition is on point.

[@PrabhavShukla1]

Such rich fairy tales you spin. Pass along whatever you're smoking man!

[@CaptainLevi18]

Yeah, the soldiers and sepoys were an all Brahmin ensemble to support the British. Even the sepoy Mangal Pandey who raised the flag of rebellion against British wasn't a Brahmin.

[@CaptainLevi18]

@Nom Anor , yeah.. it's just the Brahmins who adored the white skin. The Kshatriyas, the vaishyas were all comfortable with their skin. And British entered and dominated Indian subcontinent by first establishing trade relations. And who has the authority to establish trade relations with foreigners .... Not the kings, not the traders , it's the Brahmins !!!! No prizes for guessing

[@CaptainLevi18]

And it's precisely because of the mindset of folks like Mota Bhai Shah that the Chinese smirk at us to no end. Despite bad treatment of Uighurs, the Chinese citizens, remain United as a whole and are gearing up for global domination. Whereas, we the people are still busy with our internal and historical strifes of North south divide, Aryan Dravidian divide, North north east divide, religious and caste based divisions

[@inqilabzindabad5044]

SUBHAS CHANDRA BOSE. CHANDRESHEJKAR AZAD, RAM PRASSAD BSIMIL.LOKMANYA TILAK.LORD PARSHURAM. WERE ALL BHRAHMISN. I CAN NAME 10000 MORE BHRAHMINS FREEDOM FIGHTERS.

[@tbseow344]

I'm a Singaporean of Chinese descent and live through colonial period in Singapore and Hong Kong. Throughout History India has provide Sepoys to the Anglo-Saxon colonizers to Asia. In my hometown, Singapore the sepoys tried to act like the Brits. Now India is again going with the 5 Eyes in South China Sea. I

[@thrinethran2885]

India had then been colonised for six hundred years. The Islamic rulers wreaked havoc on our civilization. You can read about it elsewhere. But the British destroyed the native agriculture, industry, education, and made us a "wounded civilization". The only redeeming feature is that we have never colonised or enslaved any other nation, and we have cultural continuity of thousands of years. Which cannot be said of the ruthless CCP controlled China, which is now an usurper and coloniser.

[@thrinethran2885]

What do you mean by throughout history? This could have lasted only for a Century. And it was because the peasants were pauperised in the territories ruled by the East India Company and later the Imperial Government. But see how the Chinese government has enslaved Tibet, destroyed its invaluable civilizational treasure and eliminated twenty percent of the population. And what is the going on in Xinjiang!

[@tbseow344]

@@thrinethran2885 FYI I'm not Chinese. I'm Singaporean of Chinese descent. U go to Tibet and see for yourself. I'm 77 y.o Expat live and worked in China 1993-2019. The Tibetans never had it so good. During Dalai's rule, Tibetans were serfs. No land. What they produced goes to the monastries.

[@tbseow344]

@@thrinethran2885 I lived in SG and HK during Brits colonial days. Indians were sepoys under the Brits and Aussies. I was also bullied by the Sepoys. I'm 77yo and still remember.

[@iconoklastik]

so is singapore ? Snowden divulged that Singapore helps spy on ASEAN for anglo-saxon empire ? www.smh.com.au/technology/singapore-south-korea-revealed-as-five-eyes-spying-partners-20131124-2y433.html

[@maximahoro8970]

A brilliant exposition, having academic pedigree, by a career diplomat. Ambassador Shyam Saran deserves a salute for his characteristic scholarship. God Bless you. Jai-Hind. Jai-Sri-Ram. Jai-Bajrang-Bali.

[@skyy4548]

Thanks for the great program, great lecture, good discussion.

[@AP-do6sv]

the first 10 mins were unbearable. it was like walking into a sarkaari office in delhi.

[@civilianrightwing]

Any civilization has a plus and a minus. Indian philosophy gives as much importance to Ravan as to Ram. Because the other side of the coin view shows that Rama is born because Ravan exist. If Ravan does not exist there there is no reason for Ram to be born. Celebration of Naga sadhus, existence of Aghoras, Shiva worshipped as a dweller of cremation ground etc. This helps Indians accept the gross, grotesque in their stride. As shankaracharya comes face to face with a Chandala. He asks the Chandala to move away from his path. Chandala asks him whom is he telling to move the body which is made of the same five elements as his or the soul which is the same has his. Stunned Shankaracharya composes the famous manisha panchakam then and there. India cannot be understood by a superficial study. The essence of this land is the inner purity irrespective of the external muckiness. Shiva dresses in a grotesque manner to prevent the superficial seekers from coming closer.

[@mohantysobhi]

Nothing you are saying relates to the topic here, so... why?

[@kapilrana5075]

@@mohantysobhi he's right basically..every civilization works differently..has a certain weakness and strength. Chinese culture isn't as deep as indian just bcoz indian independence against british were not fought with guns and bloods that doesnt mean we didnt fight..its just that we didnt fight according to chinese cultural view..

[@vinamrasinghai2339]

@@kapilrana5075 How Indians fight for Independence? The Chinese position is that Indian never fought but waited for Britishers to leave. Fight means guns and blood.

[@kapilrana5075]

@Dhiraj Singh its what chinese people think of our independence struggle..not me.

[@alecmisra4964]

@@mohantysobhi it shows the shallowness of the the chinese analysis.

[@AksGun]

What an amazing exposition!

[@jasha9sandhu]

India has called Chinese military bluff once and for all in the Himalayas. It's time for us to rid India of Chinese ingress, subversive elements and activities in Indian polity & society

[@mikeliu5201]

😂 typical bragger! if war did happen again, india wouldn’t have a better position than 1962, for sure!

[@RR-pc7yv]

@@mikeliu5201 Even in that you guys lost more men than India and only got success in Western NEFA. Not much in the other places. Also not to forget 1967 😁

[@woshiwangsheng]

Chinese think India needs two Chinese people, the first is Qin Shi Huang to align its language and social standards and the second is Mao Ze Dong to break social class.

[@CaptainLevi18]

Can you please elaborate on these 2 characters you have mentioned As far as I know Mao's policies killed millions of poor people. Do you mean to say death of poor people = breaking social class ?

[@woshiwangsheng]

​@@CaptainLevi18 Qin Shi Huang is the first or the primal emperor of a unified China. From 247 to 221 BC. He uinified China from several kindoms into one, and he standardized weight, currency scare and also Chinese script. Which Chinese believe India society tody is separated like sand, economically and pollically.

[@woshiwangsheng]

@@CaptainLevi18 Mao is a controversial internet topic. Western source oftern claims he is a butcher or anything. ( guess who is the most respected people in China?) Anyway, in 1950, Mao did Land Reform, which eliminated the Landlord Class and equally share farm lands to peasants. in 1960 Mao did the controversial Cultural Revolution, which totally bring Chinese culture to the Industrial age In a nutshell, Chinese believe India is still in a promodern era (how could the Caste system still exsit in the 21 century???)

[@CaptainLevi18]

@@woshiwangsheng ah ! Yes we are a divided lot. We Indians learn a lot of stuff about unity in diversity when in school but as soon as we grow up I don't know for what joy we end up talking about discrimination on the basis of religion, region, caste, language.

[@CaptainLevi18]

@@woshiwangsheng The Chinese have an added advantage not having religious, caste based , language divisiveness. They are atheists, they never had the caste problem, the class problem you mentioned was removed by Mao, they speak dialects of the same language Chinese. We speak different dialects even of regional languages !! We The Indians is a sentiment we feel only while watching Indian Cricket Team play in WC, or watching a movie based on armed forces or in our school functions. Politicians milk this divide of caste, religion to the hilt and people buy into it as well It's tough for our nation to progress

[@falsafayg]

Excellent. Very broad and unbiased coverage. One point I would like to make that presence of so many Indian CEOs in today’s multinational and digital companies is largely due to command of Indians in Masters language, I mean English, which they have inherited for last three centuries. Give Chinese less than a decade and you will see how they excel even in this area. This is already happening in Western media like CNN and BBC where Chinese experts frequently appear.

[@CaptainLevi18]

Nope, you are mistaken. English is/was taught in Chinese schools. Chinese have been migrating to USA from a long time and the population of Chinese Americans is more than that of Indian Americans. Being a CEO of a company boils down to the individuals own capability and has nothing to do with the background of the person. America is a capitalist society which rewards meritocracy.

[@ThePrintIndia]

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[@aerofxunme]

Not really, there are other nations with a good command over the English language like Philippines or Papua New Guinea. I don't see many prominent names from these countries. By your analogy they too should be at the helm of such prominent organization's. Do you really think ABC, IBM, Adobe or Microsoft lacks a native option for a CEO? Indians are technically as well as administratively a class apart which makes them a natural choice to lead an organization. Nothing to do with command over the language but our ability. Given the right training and opportunities Indians can rule the world.

[@SirVonn]

That's again the prejudicial view establishing itself. Every nation having a long history of a predominant particular nature percolates into its people having intrinsically that specific characteristic in their personality. For Indians, their long tradition of being forced into assimilation into various foreign rulers and their systems and also foreign religious and ethnic cultures (Alexander and Indo-Greeks, Sakas, Yeuh-chi, Parthians, Arabs, Mongols/Mughals and then the English) has ingrained in their psyche to be a unique group of people highly efficient in propagating the policies of the dominant power to which it assimilates. They have become inborn Managers. This is unique. Some may perceive it to be derogatory as this literally means that Indians have become by nature a nation which cannot be the leader, a policy maker and innovator. True when you find utter scarcity of Indians leading the international political fora, dearth of scientific inventions attributed solely to Indian minds, complete absence of Indian invasion in other neighboring nations, complete absence of civil wars or zero instances of political and military coups (the 2nd largest military's major task being to provide Z category Security to politicians), etc. But for some it's praiseworthy too. This is why they are the most sought after Sundar Picchais of the corporate world. India is simply continuing the history today when the brightest minds of the IITs IISCs IIMs invariably migrate to their holy grail of the secure confines of the MITs, Oxford, Harvard, Yale and begin their stewardship under a Western head. They have perfected the skills of Jaichands and Mir Zafars. Pichhai and the rest of the CEO conglomerates of Indian descent are but the finer specimens of the Indian Sepoy that swept through the World Wars with a finesse envied even by their English commanders. And this cannot be learned by the Chinese however excellent they may become in English language. Indians are by breed the Shepherd Dog. The Chinese are by breed the Sled Dogs, perhaps the Siberian Husky to be precise.

[@vinamrasinghai2339]

As per you, Indian don't know anything except English and all those Multinationals will close as English Speaker is stupid who value language more than intellect and management skills. Can you provide some evidence for your logic?

[@MyKarur]

Brilliant programme. Keep up this level! Mr. Saran was excellent, as always

[@illuminatusdeus3051]

The myth that China was unbroken is a lie. The Manchus were not Han, Qing were a Manchu-Mongolian dynasty were not han Chinese. The Japanese invaded China, so did the Mongolians. China has been invaded and pillaged as many times as India, all this talk about history and myth is nonsense. In fact, China has predominantly always influenced East Asia, India, on the other hand, has influenced all of Asia! At one point of time, Greeks were also Buddhists in Gandhar! China has been a cultural dud right from the very beginning, not an indicator of a major civilization. With Buddhism and Hinduism, India taught Asia, what about China? Buddhism is followed in China, Confucius is not even known in South Asia, there you have it. Please note under the Qing dynasty, China rose, Qing was foreign, just as in India, under the Mughals, Indians experienced economic growth, look through carefully and you realize India has a little edge over the Chinese in culture than they would like to admit.

[@Valkyri3Z]

Irony is Buddhism is not followed in India today as much as in other south Asian countries. India could claim the credit they were still follwoing Buddhism today. But thanks to Hindu hegemony , Buddhism simply vanished.

[@majimakiriyu4872]

@@Valkyri3Z Even buddhism is dying a slow death in China

[@Quizzingspeed]

@@Valkyri3Z but Buddhism is not dead in India... Its followers r there in large no.s

[@Valkyri3Z]

@@Quizzingspeed I did not say its dead but its a tiny minority today. Compared to China , Japan , Thailand or even Sri Lanka Buddhism in India is almost non existent.

[@illuminatusdeus3051]

@@Valkyri3Z Technically speaking, there was an initial animosity between Vedic Hinduism and Buddhism (as there was with Jainism and others). Later things reconciled, if you know your history, you ought to know what Advaita is. Either way, Jains have survived, Buddhism, like Islam, was patronized by royalty, once that collapsed, they took these systems with them. Sikhism has survived, Jainism is even older than Buddhism - why do you think these ideas survived and Buddhism did not? Do not attribute Indic systems with intolerance. there is plenty of diversity that's surviving.

[@varunms850]

34:49 can it also be read by china as cultural approximation by Indira Gandhi to impress the Chinese delegation ?

[@MUGGOWALLIA]

I believe that India can change these stereotypes in the minds of Chinese or anywhere by becoming economically powerful. We must root out corruption and promote innovation.

[@atdeshmukh]

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[@sm1256]

Not just that. India has to regain the pride of its past instead of taking pride in western methods. China particularly looks down on indian people coz they let subjugation of indian culture happened with out resistance.

[@RR-pc7yv]

@@sm1256 without resistance? LMAO, you're very ignorant of Indian history 🤣🤣🤣 India's track record in repulsing invasions is very impressive.

[@sm1256]

@@RR-pc7yv Repulsing Invasions happened in the battle ground and that too before the establishment of Delhi Sultanate. The very fact the Muslims are able to penetrate this deep into our country is itself proof that few of us failed us. Mughal rule, British rule and Indian(Mkcauly and Missionary) Education System literally broke the back bone of our Culture.

[@RR-pc7yv]

@@sm1256 Mughals were successful because of their alliance and understandings with some powerful Rajput states (of course not). And it was Mughal Empire 2.O aka Akbar's Empire. Otherwise, Babur's Empire was destroyed by the Sher Shah Suri and Rajputs led by Maldeo Rathore. Later the same Mughals got conquered and destroyed by the Marathas. Muslims never ruled over whole of India. They at most ruled over 85% of India and that too for just 65 years at peak. Otherwise, the resistance never ended.

[@MrArchishman92]

The Chinese movement at the border is a diplomatic disaster for India. Just look at the amount nof diplomatic capital we invested just on China. And look what has happened. No doubt former diplomats have been on an overdrive to give interviews now.

[@Manish_Kumar_Singh]

We failed in diplomacy, we relied on personal relationship to solve diplomatic issues insted of hard quantifiable substance

[@007Anukul]

Very Informative.

[@vishalkulkarni1994]

It was a good talk. How about creating more platforms for Indian people and Chinese people but outside India and China. This is required to make better bilateral relations atleast after 20 or 25 years from now.

[@zibiny]

Indian has more western CEOis because mainly of its colonial past and English skill

[@SirVonn]

That's again the prejudicial view establishing itself. Every nation having a long history of a predominant particular nature percolates into its people having intrinsically that specific characteristic in their personality. For Indians, their long tradition of assimilation into various foreign rulers and their systems and also foreign religious and ethnic cultures (Alexander and Indo-Greeks, Sakas, Yeuh-chi, Parthians, Arabs, Mongols/Mughals and then the English) has ingrained in their psyche to be a unique group of people highly efficient in propagating the policies of the dominant power to which it assimilates. They have become inborn Managers. This is unique. Some may perceive it to be derogatory as this literally means that Indian have become by nature a nation which cannot be the leader, a policy maker and innovator. True when you find utter scarcity of Indians leading the international political fora, dearth of scientific inventions attributed solely to Indian minds, complete absence of Indian invasion of other neighboring nations, etc. But for some it's praiseworthy too. This is why they are the most sought after Sundar Picchais of the corporate world. India is simply continuing the history today when the brightest minds of the IITs IISCs IIMs invariably migrate to their holy grail of the secure confines of the MITs, Oxford, Harvard, Yale and begin their stewardship under a Western head. They have perfected the skills of Jaichands and Mir Zafars. Pichhai and the rest of the CEO conglomerates of Indian descent are but the finer specimens of the Indian Sepoy that swept through the World Wars with a finesse envied even by their English commanders

[@SirVonn]

@Amb Dar I suppose you know about Battle of Plassey and the equation shared between Robert Clive, Siraj ud Daulah and Mir Zaffer. It was because of the active role of Zafer that Clive won the war. It is a significant watershed moment in History as it started the march of the East India Company

[@RR-pc7yv]

@@SirVonn You're wrong about Zafar. Actually, the reason why Zafar and EIC won was because Siraj ud Daulah s...ked and was an oppressor of Hindus, Jains and Shias. That is why they had support of the people and managed to win the war in 1757. Still, it wasn't until 1759 that the EIC got its first foothold in India after defeating the French and capturing Northern Circars region. Until early 1760s and even after that, the British EIC was paying annual Chauth (1/4th of the annual revenue of the state) to the Maratha Empire and it wasn't until 1764 that they finally got the control of Bengal region after Buxar(1764) battle.

[@SirVonn]

​@@RR-pc7yv So where was I wrong?? Do you mean to say that the East India Company won the Battle of Plassey without any collaboration from Mir Zaffer? That the role of Mir Zaffer was inconsequential? Then, please write a new History book. It would be an amusing afternoon read.

[@RR-pc7yv]

@@SirVonn Of course, they won with the help of Mir Jafar + with Bengali Hindu population's support. But Mir Jafar was no traitor. This colonial era 'secularist nationalist' propaganda about Mir Jafar and Jai Chand, is misconceptional and not true. Whatever I've said, is already on record. You can read from this POV too.

[@tresajessygeorge210]

This kind of perception about INDIA may have come from present day WORLD POLITICS...!!!

[@swetasingh8235]

But the question is how intellect is surviving in regimental structure?

[@kedarpandya5940]

@ThePrint I think Mr. Saran is a little too constructivist in his analysis of Chinese perceptions. From the perspective of foreign policy, It's more likely that the Chinese hold an opinion of India as a moralistic crusader that sought to limit the supposed crushing tide of Communist Internationalism. His analysis seems accurate when it comes to the average Chinese official's perspective, or a non-specialist, but their foreign policy establishment is more worried about Indian ascendancy through a renewed form of non-alignment. I would also remind naive opinions in the comments that to think Non-Alignment was a utopian crusade is idiotic. It was critical that India preserve strategic autonomy, and if you actually look at alternating economic and defense aid flows from the US and USSR blocs respectively, you can see that India in the Cold War not only managed to line its pockets with critical support from adversarial sides, but got away with claiming a higher moral position than either of them. From the realist's perspective, that is a win in the long game.

[@pankajsinha5830]

excellent discussions.

[@johnniewalker7628]

Lee Kuan Yew said it best.

[@sanjayram4831]

adaptability also infected in many ways and made weak.

[@ansh_u_r]

Actually nobody can and have ruled over India.You can rule over India in different aspects of society like Muslims looks like ruled over India politically but actually they ruled socially and British looks like they ruled politically but they actually ruled militarily and administratively.US ruled over India economically.China has actually ruled over India industrially.

[@TheDeepeshsethi]

Wow, Wow, Wow, this is what Journalism is, brings best of field and let them speak but Twiiter Journalist of these days have long forget this

[@ArnoldTeras]

Deep resentment? I thought the Chinese revered India as the holy land of Buddhism....

[@ravishankarpasupuleti9798]

Aksai chin belongs to Jammu & Kashmir which is India's land as per accession made by Jammu & Kashmir Maharaja in 1947. Pakistan illegally occupying Gilgit and Baltietan, and POK areas, which will eventually be part of India. Baluchistan will be a new nation or become a province of India. One China policy is not acceptable to India, America, Russia, and Japan. So Tibet, xin Xiang, Taiwan and Hong Kong will become independent nation's any time COMMUNIST PARTY of China becomes weak and that day will come soon

[@CaptainLevi18]

Wishful thinking

[@falsafayg]

Keep on Dreaming with Bollywood and Hollywood google.

[@scy9272]

As your countryman, Shashi Tharoor, has in recent years called for restitution by the British for the devastation caused on India, he also said that while India was occupied by Britain for 200 years, the minds of Indians were also occupied and, I would say, reprogrammed to always act in the interests of its white masters. When Britain invaded China, Indians killed the Chinese and died for their white masters, as Indians killed and died in all of Britain’s wars! PM Modi highlights the superiority of the Hindus, but becomes a little minion the Americans “snap their fingers” and India immediately falls in line!! India has now had 70 years of independence and it is high time that India snaps out of “the Stockholm syndrome” !!!

[@mouglliakki]

Communists killed all critical thinkers in china. Braindead morons like you are all that's left. America has just as much influence over India as Japan has over China. How intellectually lazy do you have to be to use 18th century talking points? Go eat bat soup. Your country's trolling game is weak.

[@medialcanthus9681]

@@mouglliakki I'm from ASEAN. China can't be so wrong in its thinking if it managed Covid and USA and India are the winners in Covid numbers.

[@iconoklastik]

@@mouglliakki truth is bitter..Chinese don't speak japanese like indians lap up any shit coming from west in apu enlish ..indians are still brown sahibs and Macaulay childrens ...read natwar lal's book ...india is mostly controlled by CIA as per top indian IAS officer who knows indian elites inside out

[@mouglliakki]

@@iconoklastik Indians don't have to create fake accounts with foreign names and governmen's permission to use basic internet facilities. Don't lecture us about freedom, batsoup bot.

[@RR-pc7yv]

@@medialcanthus9681 Chinese have never released their actual Covid death figures. This isn't the case with US and India...

[@shyamk4257]

I am deeply worried as Indian people like shyam Saran was our NSA1962 has dented our psychy communist China can never be friend to India War is inevitable they were just buying time fortunately for us galwan happened all Chinese Dove please go home.

34:32 you misinterpret the interpretation. What he wanted to say was - Nehru wanted to show the cultural closeness between India and China and yet you are not aware of what is what - and how easily Indians change their colors ... one day they are Tibetians and the second day they can beRussian - the perception is that India lacks its own identity - it wants to be whatever is convenient and lacks inner moral character.

[@yuzihao8777]

U r actually good

[@vasudhevkutumbkam9010]

And why do you think your interpretation is what Chinese(I should say CCP) meant ? So ironical that you are quoting Mao's CCP that disband Confucianism ENTIRELY for "moral character". As I said in my other comment - Either you've sold yourself for money or you are an ignorant brainwashed hypocrite.

[@anindyasengupta9312]

Chinese will never accept Gandhi as his policy of ahimsa is totally detrimental to own country may be conducive for the westerners. Again, Mr. Saran Indian independence never came through bloody nonviolence, don't try to replicate a biased blind bogus history.

[@anindyasengupta9312]

Indians only know they had three Shahid chccha bapu & sardar. Rest just does not matter. This race which consigns all their real martyrs to oblivion should face a very good kick . This race which never think of their greatest leader in exile deserve a solid jolt. History made and taught by churchil now propagated by gov. servants, no standing on own foot.

[@sm1256]

Thanks to Gandhi and his non violence. He made all people of india “Bakaras”.Till today. ..

[@bonran]

Shyam Saran keeps going on and on like a morose boring University Professor vacillating between modern times and the 12th century. Is this what is an expert in international polity.

[@adityabanerjee7145]

Are Mama shree forget how China perceived Indians before independence. Use your experience and skill to tell how India must grow in strength - strategic and tactical steps. A bedtime story is for children.

[@physicsonline8853]

More interestingly: if all this was known, at least to some thoughtful Indians, why then did the Indian government fall into the teary-eyed, syrupy-sentimental "Hindi-Chini bhai bhai" hogwash that has caused our country so much grief with China? The more correct attitude is to regard China as a man armed with a knife, capable of using it. India has to assert its position AND NOT TO FEAR WAR. Show no consideration whatsoever; it only invites further contempt.Nothing like a few hard blows to bludgeon sense into the wooden heads of an adversary to make them see reality.Even if you take a few knocks yourself.

[@CaptainLevi18]

@Johney Smith arey johney Bhai ... Kitna Sinn karte ho ... doctor, Engineer, Mechanic, plumber aur abhi KZbin comments pe bhi

[@TheMinimumPC]

The same is happening today

[@harinathpottam1845]

The prior governments failed indian people. Continued the same British policies.

[@sanjayram4831]

exactly made since 2000.

[@anarchyishere8312]

Excellent lecture

[@nrusimha11]

I am seeing signs in recent reporting which indicate troubling issues with the inherent character of The Print.

[@hemantkarasala5767]

what do you mean specifically? I personally had issues with SG's commentary as of late.

[@nrusimha11]

Shri Gupta once admiringly narrated a quote from a former finance secretary, "when others hit sixers we Indian try to get into the photo frame". That pretty much exemplifies his self-image. But I thought Sri Syam Saran's essays on the Print and now these videos cross a line. It is a time of tensions and people in the know should speak with great tact and not dredge up the most negative stereotypes of Indians that they can think of. The same with Ms. Malhotra interview with Chetan Bhagat. Things need to improve, but there seems to be a sudden coordination of effort across the spectrum at a moment of multiple crises, to throw any mud that can lay their hands on.

[@ansh_u_r]

Actually there was no Chinese civilization as such.There was no single China in ancient period.Modern Chinese name of China is Zhongguo which is newly invented for the country.So it wasnt the Chinese civilization but Mangolian civilization and Mongolians have already ruled over India as Yuezhi.

[@Skyboy564]

Very insightful!

[@vilasbelapurkar3878]

Is the present leadership of China swayed by the perception explained by you, ignoring the changed leadership of India ?

[@kirtipandit2010]

What's changed we are same approach passive like a dead body

[@vinamrasinghai2339]

That is what they fear now.

[@rohansarode4086]

adjust playback speed to 1.5.

[@Vikramadithya02]

Mr.Khanna and Vijay Nambiar look like twins.

[@naimulhaq9626]

It is good to see some effort to understand the Sino-Indian relation, free from outside dictation. It is even better to hear the View of Mr. Datt opining that 'China will provoke but never attack India'. This sums up the Chinese view, as for Indians' own view, as usual, finding the correct view, if not unanimous agreement, both are difficult and incorrect. India doesn't have a think tank, it is guided by 1935 'Government of India Act', termed 'charter of slavery', by Nehru. As such, India fails to have its own views and opinions. Not only China, but all the world powers, underestimate India, because of the feudal mindset of the caste system and the culture of untouchables, depriving the majority of basic human rights, even when flouting democracy, and not even realizing it, let alone take steps to rectify. If this video is about an Indian attempt to regain any semblance of maturity, I wish it a success (cautiously).

[@michaelzhang1626]

Basically India is a feudal society. With caste system simply, how can India practice western defined democracy, which is based on l’egalite?

[@seshanm54]

Am truly surprised that no one thought to ask what is the practical implications of their contempt? Even more, that there was no acceptance of our many obvious weaknesses pointed out by them. That we are even today discussing huge distressing weaknesses as if it is happening to some other people or country is itself evidence of utter lack of self-respect and national feeling. All the indignation should fire us up to unite, reform and rapidly develop to be able to face current and future challenges from the Dragon.

[@medialcanthus9681]

First if all Indian news channels like wion should not fan flames in the community . .

[@koushik_V]

Wion always try to spread propaganda of thier bosses, and act like patriotic news agency

[@koushik_V]

@Darinda Modi those people are like black mark in journlists, they even uploaded a video on joe Biden, which will become a hurdle to his election campaign

[@sanjayram4831]

made poor since 1990.

[@venkatrajeshwar290]

👍

[@spk12840]

I listened entire talk which was highlighting negative Perception of Chinese on Indians. It was most disgusting,painful to listen a Perception of Chinese (who are brainwashed communist intellectuals & have no freedom to express their own views except dictated by Communist Party Officials.) derogating Indians that too narrated by highly Indian intellectuals. It is pity that most respected Saran Sir is almost supporting their views as I did not find any counter to Chinese Perception. I would like to ask all distinguished guests of Forum whether any Chinese professional ever talked adverse comments on their own Culture,People, either at Conference held at China or India or in any International Forum? They never talk but they criticize whole world.

[@nnthadani1]

Why has China antagonised all its neighbours, Japan, Australia & the Western world ?

[@iconoklastik]

same can be said about India ? all indian neighbors are in conflict with india ?

[@kwokmanlam6836]

The West doesn't want see China rises to the point that they have no say on the world stage.Japan doesn't have their own foreign policy..

[@Vikasvikasyaduvanshi]

Please भाई हमारी भी हेल्प करो प्लीज भाई हमारी थोड़ी सी हेल्प कर दोआपसे रिक्वेस्ट करता हूं 🙏हमारी फोटो को टच करके चैनल सब्सक्राइब कर दो भाई प्लीज गांव का लड़का हूं🙏,,..

[@praveenagarwal1036]

Compare the apple with apple. Chinese of 19th century, earlier 20th century thought and extrapolate the to current timing , Taiwan, mainland dynamic nature to international relationship .There power struggle in Kuomintang . Must be considered in the analysis otherwise sorry to say intellectually biased. it may be. sponsored and paid article . Which is not supposed to find a place in The Print. SG please take a note of it. Thanks SG

[@subhayandhar8953]

Shyam saran is the worst person I ever know... And here he giving dialogues... Shame on you

[@hareshmehta1772]

That's why he is in THE PRINT😂. Anybody who is anti NDA, anti RSS, anti India, anti Hindu will be given a platform here.

[@hareshmehta1772]

@@manubhatt3 teri bhasha aur teri samajh se teri aukat ka pataa chal hi jata hai. Tu kisi gandi naali ka piddi supporter hai. Tere saath behes karne mein mujhe koi dilchaspi hai. Iske baad, tu chahe jitna bhonk le, mein nahi sun ne wala.,👎

[@akhil999in]

formal thinking can overcome cultural or historical causes of motivation. communism can induce an unemotional and completely rational attitude. as far as predictions of physical actions such as warfare and deception are concerned, capabilities are a better guide than motivation.

[@arrahatt]

Oh what a discovery! Look at ourselves through western eyes if not chinese eyes ! 5000 year of civilisation and this is what you glean? Why not Eskimo eyes ? Nehru Dynasty was blind ? Restoring sight ?

[@sepa3740]

This entire commentary makes me feel that the Chinese view of orderliness is absolute obedience ,i.e, sheep mentality without an iota of thinking and dissent both of which are part of a democratic society and polity. This looks good superficially but has no depth. Moreover with the advent of CCP, under Mao the chinese were catapulting stones on sparrows in the false belief that sparrows were one of the great pests eating into their harvest. Is this science or logic? Laughworthy to be gentle.

[@SwazzerProductions]

And yet China is 100 times more innovative than India. Where are the Huawei’s, Tencent’s and Alibaba’s of India? Oh wait... there are none.

[@ramabrahmam4945]

Amabasidor - you really confused us