Chinese Phoenix VS Western Phoenix: What's the Difference?

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In this video we look at the differences between the Chinese phoenix and the Western Phoenix. These two mythical animals are not the same.
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[@learnchinesenow]

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[@TheRezro]

First of we should make distinction between Vermilion Bird and Fenghuang. As those are distinct entities. Zhuque is personification of storm/fire and is actually paralel to Judeo-Christain Ziz. One of four Cherubim, holding keep over creation and underworld (in is unclear how they relate to Geruda?). While Fenghuang is lesser entity more paralel to Qilin in power and function. It is actually not clear if it is really a fire elemental? Generally can be compered to Egyptian Phoenix and Slavic Raróg.

[@kxnguyen3942]

As asian , you have mistake information . First ,5:15 is tottally wrong . This is Vermilion Bird (朱雀 Zhūquè) . Its red bird , a pheasant with 5 colour hair . It is easy to mistake with pheonix (凤凰) . 2 bird , 凤 is female bird , 凰 is male bird . 4:02 : wrong . 5 colour from 5 elements ( wǔxíng ) Asian pheonix 凤凰 has CHICKEN 🐔 head, swallow jaw, (snake) crane neck, turtle back, and peacock tail

[@tianming4964]

My grandpa's name has Long (dragon) as one of its characters and my grandma's name has Feng (Phoenix) which I think is pretty romantic.

[@revinhatol]

*The Earth King has invited you to Lake Laogai.*

[@sctonio1466]

​@@revinhatolhahaha nice!

[@38.thachthaolehuynh20]

​@@revinhatoltook me a while to understand what you mean, look at the above, laugh uncontrollably

[@shellamuchtar3661]

My mom has Feng phoenix letter at her name, and i have swallow bird for mine. My husband: wow so many downgrade -_-

[@medullaoblongata1616]

Do your parents happen to run an elite secret police force of earthbenders?

[@chubby_deity3143]

There should have at least have an honorary mention of the myths where there's a pair of Fenghuangs that turn into a pair of flame wheels for Nezha. It's not "being set on fire" but there's some connection there.

[@danielmalinen6337]

A few years ago, Disney's live action remake of Mula caused a packlash when the movie featured a Western Greek-Egyptian Phoenix instead of Fenghuang. Therefore, it would been worthwhile for the filmmakers to learn what the difference between these two birds is, especially when in the film the Phoenix is ​​said to be reborn from fire, which is a thing that Fenghuang doesn't do.

[@flipxd]

I actually remember this and this is one of the things that got me really disappointed in that adaptation. It's like the research was surface level. Couldn't even separate the differences between the concept of a phoenix and a fenghuang. I think that's why that adaptation didn't work, it >thought< it was doing the work, it failed to recognize how deep the subject matter went and that lack of sincerity was totally noticeable by those of us with Chinese cultural roots.

[@yamanuhem.netjer3165]

Even what Herodotus wrote about the phoenix and egypt is a variant. When you want. To get specific and accurate, look up the word. Bennu. That is the original Phoenix of Egypt.

[@yun115242]

The phoenixes in Shangchi are not phoenixes I think. They are 朱雀 （zhu que）， which is also a Chinese mythological bird, but it's constant on fire just like a phoenix.

[@learnchinesenow]

Thanks for the correction

[@revinhatol]

Suzaku.

[@stephanc6138]

something like a firebird

[@ancaryvan4811]

That would literally means Crimson Sparrow. 雀=Sparrow.

[@user-xi4ru3qb7g]

This man is talking about the 四灵 (Si Ling), The Four Spirit Beasts, so he is correct to put Phoenixes there. The thing that you are talking about is the 四圣 (Si Sheng), the Four Divine Beasts, which included 朱雀 Zhu Que (Crimson Sparrow), 青龙 Qing Long (Cyan Dargon)，玄武 Xuan Wu (Black Trule), and 白虎 Bai Hu（White Tiger).

[@butterscotch1554]

oh wow that's so refreshing to see the two phoenixes clearly distinguished. thank you!

[@celesteyar27]

To add to the "鳳" losing its original meaning of "male 鳳凰", the female of a pair of boy-girl twins is known as "鳳". The pair is known as "龍鳳胎".

[@joshjacob1530]

1:58 this needs to come back worldwide but for a different reason.

[@knightshade6232]

In the Philippines, malaysia & Indonesa ...we had a Sacred bird similar to Pheonix its called "Sarimanok" ❤‍🔥🔥🐦 its represent good fortune its like A jungle fowl (NAtive Chicken) but its big & has colorful fiery feathers

[@flipxd]

I believe our ancestors were talking about the same thing when they are describing a sarimanok/fenghuang. This analog makes a lot more sense than fenghuang/western phoenix. Some feathers HAD to have survived. What a treasure it would be if we found some.

[@yecly]

Sarimanok is in the Philippines side of legend. Specifically in Mindanao. Indonesia and Malaysia shared few lagendary birds like Garuda and Jentayu. Both adapted from Hindu-Buddha teaching from Indian continent. Garuda is much like Feng. Yang energy, very bright and hot. Jentayu is Yin energy, very soft and cold. Their story related to this characteristics. We have another one called Cenderawasih, literally are the Bird of Paradise (a real living bird which thought to be mythological). According to old scriptures like Tajul Muluk, Cenderawasih are Birds from literally Heaven/Paradise, they only fed on heavenly dew, doesn't rot and remain intact after death, smell like perfume and related to royalty. Cenderawasih in legends got 4 wings like angels, really long tail feathers, and cannot touch the mortal ground or they will die immediately. It is said royalties make a lot of mystical items from parts of Cenderawasih, which said to consist tremendous powers over natural law.

[@NoneofyourBusiness-iv6pi]

also Western phoenix makes their nest atop Date Palms while the Asian Phoenix makes their nest in Cherry trees and specifically their nest out of cherry blossoms. Western associated with date palms and myrrh while asian associated with cherry trees

[@Andy-bb2eo]

凤凰只在梧桐树居住

[@hH7nYD]

凤栖梧。No it's not cherry blossom trees, it's Chinese parasol trees (Wutong).

[@grndragon7777777]

Love this channel. Thank you for the knowledge 🙏

[@klwl]

Although the fenghuang originally did not immolate (as stated in the video), the ideas associated with the Egyptian phoenix were subsequently introduced into China and added to the myth of the fenghuang. This led to the term "凤凰涅槃", in which the fenghuang self-immolates every 500 years in exchange for humankind's peace and happiness. Correspondingly, there arose the proverb (成语) known as "浴火重生", which literally means to be reborn after bathing in fire. It describes a person going through various challenges and suffering from pain before emerging stronger and better.

[@TheRezro]

The fire one is completely separate entity Zhuque, what may be paralel to Judeo-Christian Ziz. Phoenix actually was not made from fire. But reborn through self-combustion. Generally Phoenix, Raróg and Fenghuang look like normal birds (maybe glowing?). Until they were provoked to set things on fire.

[@user-bq3sy6sn9u]

很棒的解释

[@Gabrielleyale]

Wow! Your Chinese is really good! Where are you from?

[@bronsontaylor4203]

today might be a rather busy day, but this was a nice video to stop and enjoy. thank you for the content :) take care

[@thoudamlanchenba1483]

Thank you for sharing 🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤🕊️🕊️🕊️🙏🙏🙏

[@scipioafricanus4875]

Interesting thanks

[@clearsky3515]

Very good program, besides the tea, where to get the version of the book "Shan Hai Jing" showing in the program please?

[@songyu1356]

You can find a lot of versions of 山海经 from Taobao.

[@clearsky3515]

@@songyu1356 Thank you.

[@ZangetsuAkuma]

doesn't the four auspicious beasts have the white tiger instead of the qilin and that there was also a fifth beast that was either the golden dragon or the qilin?

[@learnchinesenow]

That is 天之四靈, not 四靈， very easy to get mixed up

[@ZangetsuAkuma]

@@learnchinesenow thank you for giving me clarification. also will you make a video about the four spirits of heaven some day?

[@olgaprokopieva2692]

Thank you, it was interesting.

[@alphshift7857]

Did you purposefully put the east on the left and west on the right?

[@Nymeria0]

Omg this was what I wrote in my HS essay about 30+ years ago😂it it was comparisons of western and eastern dragons

[@rogeretiennedelacruz3000]

In Peranakan culture, we who are of mixed south-east Asian and Chinese ancestry have the phoenix as our symbol

[@SMakhdoom]

There are two other similar mythical birds in Asia. One is called Huma. A terminology related to it is 'Zil e Huma', the shadow of Huma, and it say that the one who comes under Zil e Huma, gets to rule. Another such mythological bird is See murgh. Its from Iranian culture. They say it sits on the mountains and has one of its eyes on the past and the other, on the future.

[@NecroGoblin-yl2fx]

well in D&D we have the different dragons, and the Asian dragons are called Lung Dragons. :) so it might spread calling them the different names.

[@revinhatol]

4:15 FUN FACT: Those are the exact virtures represented in the Japanese anime series "Six Hearts Princess".

[@ScrewyDriverTheMan]

Based on the Chinese mythology, yup

[@stevenleung8779]

This very Chinese New Year is popularly promoted as the Year of the Loong (or 'Long' in standard Pinyin but it would easily be confused with its English meaning, i. e. the opposite of 'short') instead of the traditional Year of the year Dragon by the Chinese government.

[@newtonxu5279]

Keep it up

[@teogx1346]

The way he speak chinese is beautiful

[@user-hp1xd4oh5w]

We should let them fight

[@ebayrose]

The Western Phoenix actually originated more around in Egypt and India regions so it's not really Western as such and it blended with the Asian Feng and such much earlier on than you think. It's why Asian media have adapted the fire bird aspect that can resurrect in their fantasy novels, films, comics, and such. It's actually more likely for a Western person than an Asian to point out that ancient Chinese phoenix didn't have those traits. Particularly the reborn from the ashes one.

[@peaceleader7315]

Both phoenix have beautiful plumage and feathers... 😊.

[@manuelmesias7706]

I visited Taiwan last month and i enjoyed so much. I was able to visit most of the island for 3 weeks and one of the things i brought back home is a lot of Tea, including that Alishan oolong tea. i was surprised when i saw it now in this video! Thanks for making all this videos . XieXie

[@K0rupti0n]

What about Suzaku? They are often confused with Fenghuang, but they are different beings. Suzaku seems to be associated very strongly with the sun, just like Phoenix, and much more so then Fenghuang. I would argue that there is a strong case of them being highly conflated with each other, yet are different.

[@kxnguyen3942]

Suzaku is Vermilion Bird (朱雀 Zhūquè)

[@lo_ard]

And dragon is Ching lai in meitei lon

[@joshiditesservellonacles7819]

The part about the Qilin caught me by surprise. I always thought it was a White tiger

[@learnchinesenow]

Theres two sets of those 4 animals, one in the heavens one on the earth, the heavenly set has the white tiger

[@charlespg3d190]

Please do Chinese poems again

[@simonsaville9962]

Chinese Phoenix VS Western Phoenix: Which would win in a fight? That's what I want to know. (Almost nailed the 'tweeks coffee' patter for the 'oolong tea' segment). Ta.

[@qingxuanyue]

you should do zhuque vs phoenix. theyre actually both fire birds. feng huang is not known to be able to fight

[@shastasilverchairsg]

Western phoenix obviously, they can respawn at will while the Chinese phoenix has limited hit points.

[@AnakinGozie77]

​@@qingxuanyue you mean the vermillion bird

[@qingxuanyue]

@@AnakinGozie77 I didnt know it was translatee that way

[@aguinayajolly6565]

Chinese Phoenix associated with peace so they won't fight rather they will hide but use the other one known as Vermillion bird which was always mistaken as Phoenix in Chinese myths who are known to have combat skills against the Western Phoenix since both are fire type bird It would be amazing both to be included in Pokémon

[@revinhatol]

Female phoenix? I understood that reference (Ozai, ATLA)

[@lavender-rosefox8817]

I feel both phoenixes are somewhat related to each other like share with common ancestor one liniage went west and evolved to be reborn in a burst of fire and the other went east and evolved to what it is in chinise myth

[@TheRezro]

Zhuque behave the same way as Phoenix tend in the media. Except in actual mythology Phoenix was like normal bird, beside that rebirth part. So it was closer to Fenghuang, which we do not know how it behave. So they may be the same. Actually there is a myth that pair of Fenghuangs can create fire wheel.

[@shastasilverchairsg]

Japanese Phoenix name: Ho-oh 😁

[@saaccitt]

@MaxineWashington There are things in Japan that currently don't exist in China, and we have developed them even further. I can't help but feel sorry for the Chinese, who forever boast about their primitive ideas.

[@saaccitt]

@MaxineWashington The Chinese kanji notation is "中華人民共和国", but the string "人民共和国" is Japanese 🤣

[@saaccitt]

@MaxineWashington yes. It is important to verbalize concepts. And the assumption that China is just doing what it does is nonsense. In fact, there is no concept of capitalism or democracy in China today.

[@saaccitt]

@MaxineWashington I want to emphasize that what they couldn't do, they would eventually do. It is nonsense to say such things🤣 It will just ruin the discussion. The Chinese have always been like this.

[@lifesacreation3489]

WOw thank you for putting in the chinese original text as well, and for pronouncing the words correctly. I can't help but cringe every time I hear incorrect pronounciations on other videos, so its great to not have to cringe here haha Thank you!

[@cookiebazookie]

Can you explain the difference between Chinese phoenix and the Chinese vermillion bird? I always get them confused.

[@kxnguyen3942]

First ,5:15 is tottally wrong . This is Vermilion Bird (朱雀 Zhūquè) . Its red (朱)bird , a pheasant (Phasianidae) with 5 colour hair . It is easy to mistake with pheonix (凤凰) . 2 bird , 凤 is female bird , 凰 is male bird . 凤凰 has CHICKEN 🐔 head, swallow jaw, (snake) crane neck, turtle back, and peacock tail . Basicly a freak bird 😂

[@kxnguyen3942]

About the meaning , vermilion is divine beast while pheonix is god

[@tianalex6355]

视频有个地方错了（Something is wrong in the video），山海经上是（in shan hai jing)：翼文曰顺，背文曰义，而你写的是（but in the viedo)：翼文曰义，背文曰礼。

[@michaelbetzer1966]

I once worked an Air Force project for Taiwan. Its title: Peace Feng Huang🇹🇼

[@JalomMatia]

cool

[@contentweaverz2438]

I dont know why no one talks about this but I always pictured the first sighting of a rare pokemon in the first episode to be a representation of phoenix. Don't know maybe it's something else. 🤷

[@Mokiefraggle]

Pretty sure if you mean the strange bird pokemon that Ash sees (and which his pokedex doesn't recognize) is an early design of Ho-Oh, which is just based on the hōō, or essentially the fenghuang as it becomes in Japanese folklore. It's just before they got the actual canonical design of Ho-Oh complered, so it's instead just a random creation meant to serve the purpose of being an unknown Pokemon in terms of both being literally not one from the games, but also being something that in-universe, no one had seen before.

[@marcinhf]

Where's the tea link...?

[@revinhatol]

YEAH, WHERE?!

[@learnchinesenow]

Its there now

[@vermouthstone9446]

Little knowledge。。。《鶡冠子·度萬第八》：「鳳凰者，鶉火之禽，陽之精也。」 《白虎通》祝融“其精为鸟，离为鸾。” 《春秋演孔图》：“凤凰火精，生丹穴。” 《春秋元命苞》说：“火离为凤。” 鳳凰頂有丹朱，丹朱在古漢語中意味太陽。。 In terms of cultural origin, the Chinese Phoenix also has its origins as the Firebird and the Sunbird. . There is just no resurrection legend.

[@BHARATIYA_TIGER]

Looking like Peacock

[@wailee6621]

Oog long tea ❤

[@nobodyspecial2053]

To be honest, I personally think that the vermillion bird should have been referred to as the Chinese pheonix. At leat it is has a fire motif.

[@emjakos3548]

The Chinese dragon being called "long" is one of the funnier coincidences that I know of.

[@serenityq26]

There is also the Egyptian phoenix aka east

[@qingxuanyue]

the four directional sacred beasts are a bit inaccurate. they should be azure long, white tiger, zhu que (fire bird), xuan wu (tortoise with a snake tail as its tail)

[@learnchinesenow]

You are thinking of 天之四靈, not 四靈, they are two different groups of beings, easy to mix up

[@AnakinGozie77]

​@@learnchinesenow I always confuse vermillion bird and Phoenix

[@qingxuanyue]

@@learnchinesenow no, I think you're the one thinking of 天之四灵 which are what you said。the 四象 are indeed the ones I said above. I confused what you were saying in the original comment though.

[@user-gj2fz4nt1n]

Phoenix was one of the resemblances of Ibong Adarna in the Philippines!!!

[@ashleyjaytanna1953]

The Western version is a wonderful wonderful cat.

[@77wolfblade]

Working on my own fantasy world that includes one country and its people worshipping a Phoenix. I would say it's a mixture of the Greek Phoenix and the Egyptian one and a small bit of the Russian Firebird.

[@TheRezro]

Generally there is four major elemental spirits. And four races of lesser elementals, who behave more like animals. Bennu (Phoenix), Fenghunag, Huma (Persian) or Raróg (Slavic) may actually be different names of same spirits. While there are separate myths of powerful godlike beings personifying elements, like Zhuque, Ziz or Simurgh. You may have actual spirit animals with minor magic powers and paralel deities personifying elements. PS: In some interpretations Dragons, Unicorns, Firebirds and Kitsunes are actually the same specie. What just have different elemental aliments creating illusion of not being the same. For example Qilin has many elements sillier to Nicor, but it has scales. Similar Griffins have wings, same as Wiverns. Additionally they seams to be capable to move on both two and four legs or even slither alongside having wings. So they may be mistaken for different species depending on the preferred position. In many versions of those myth they also can mimic other species.

[@77wolfblade]

@@TheRezro interesting I must look more into these since a lot of the Universe gods does take after a lot of animals. As for the Firebird the only real influence I have from it is when the Phoenix in the Avatar form enjoys eating golden apples. Which is a story from Russian mythology.

[@seraphlai9664]

Where is the Vermilion Bird/朱雀?

[@storytellerfan1420]

So the fenghuang and the veridian bird are two different creatures?

[@lo_ard]

We call pheonix as Mei Gi U chek

[@Dany-rx7rs]

😮

[@sirwilliam4128]

@Learn Chinese Now When I was studying the concept of the Phoenix and Chinese 中文 in college, I noticed similarities between the words for Phoenix, Wind, and Fire when it comes to the Chinese Phoenix, or is it Chinese Phoenixes...? Feng or 風 Fēng in Chinese means "wind." Huo or 火 Huǒ in Chinese means "fire." So, even though there's no such thing as Fēnghuǒ 風火 in Chinese; can we so easily dismiss the phonetics and the meanings of the words they represent and how similar those words are in concept to the Western Phoenix? Also, Fenghuang is not the only "Chinese Phoenix." 朱雀 Zhūquè or The Vermillion Bird is actually one of the 四象 Sì xiàng; along with Azure Dragon (青龍 Qīnglóng), White Tiger (白虎 Báihǔ), and Black Tortoise (玄武 Xuánwǔ). In the movie 畫皮II or Painted Skin 2: The Resurrection, Yang Mi 杨幂 portrays the Yaoguai or Demon Bird named Quer, and in the movie (SPOILERS) she is portrayed similarly to both a western and eastern phoenix; though, I think her version is more of a 朱雀 Zhūquè not 鳳凰 Fènghuáng.

[@Elmasdrakosinfenixov]

Actually both the Phoenix and the Dragon are ancient Persian deities which were spread all over Eurasia by the Indo-Europeans among countless other cultural similarities between east and west that otherwise have no explanation, so in a way, they’re both the same “species”

[@Andy-bb2eo]

凤凰是商朝的图腾，非常古老。

[@claranism]

Yo mandarin enounciation is v good! 👏👍

[@ShahanshahShahin]

There's also two types of Persian phoenix called "Simorgh" and "Huma."

[@TheRezro]

Generally there are two different types confused constantly. Zhuque and Fenghuand are not the same.

[@danyv8207]

IT have several magic birds in China and in whole Asia it's like an country animal represents in Korea

[@wolfcrecent5286]

Are the Chinese Phoenixes the same as Vermilion Birds?

[@UnaBellissima]

🙏🏼💖✨

[@Bai_Su_Zhen]

2:02 I thought you had the "wang" wrong, but then I realised it's actually the 望 from 希望, which is the word for hope. And 子 comes from 儿子 (son). It really seemed likely to me that princesses and princes would turn into these godly creatures in Chinese mythology, so I thought you're intending to say 王子 and 王女 lol I was wondering where you get the "hope" part lol I almost made a fool of myself but I saved it at the last second. You're even a Chinese teaching channel ffs I'm so dumb 😂

[@learnchinesenow]

Haha, gave me a fright there

[@Alastor_simp4]

The Phoenix one of the coolest birds in myth ever and Pokémon

[@AnakinGozie77]

Not one but the coolest bird in mythos , followed by the Thunderbird and Griffin

[@Alastor_simp4]

@@AnakinGozie77Ok you got me there

[@snyderkr0822]

I've been collecting the South Korean mint's series of phoenix coins. Very pretty.

[@aaronchristensen5866]

❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@yatchoychu3146]

Its Time that the Chinese Name be used because the 龙 and 凤凰 are Not the Same as The Western Dragon and Western Phoenix respectively because they are Distinctively Different.

[@JalomMatia]

dragon and Pheonix are unmbreall terms. so the word is appropiate for all types, don't need different English words for every type of dragon or pheonix, that would be ridiculous. they are mythical creatures.

[@Wann-zo7rn2qn4i]

@@JalomMatia Why are there so many different names for the different type of dog breeds? They are all dogs, aren't they? Why do you have a name different from your siblings? You are much more closely related than between the eastern and the western dragon.

[@JalomMatia]

@@Wann-zo7rn2qn4i because dogs are not mythical creatures, they are in our daily lives so it is important to have names for each for convenience, vets, and science. just use some common sense. i suppose we shouldn't use the word, 'giant' because they were different types of giants, and we shouldn't use the word 'mermaid' because different types. we shouldn't use the words for all the mythical creatures......yeah, do you see what kind of mess that becomes?

[@Wann-zo7rn2qn4i]

@@JalomMatia Sure, for things that do not have a presence . But when certain things get an everyday presence for many people and have specific meanings, characteristics and history attached to them, then they should get their own name, just like your different breeds of dogs and cats. Another eg. - why would you have a specific names of gods, angels, ghosts, devils? Many religions even have specific names for specific gods etc. Whichever country or culture they come from, they are all the same, aren't they? They are all spirits, non-human, and they even shape shift - many times you can't tell whether it is an angel or a devil. And to a great number of people, spirits are all as mythical as the dragon.

[@JalomMatia]

@@Wann-zo7rn2qn4i exactly. there are specific names for gods, angels, demons, etc. but it would be chaotic to not use those very terms. in the same way, it is essential to use the terms pheonix and dragons...further discussion involves what type of dragon/pheonix/elves/dwarves/etc. this is the only way things can be, umbrella terms.

[@MarkusAndersen96]

the thumbnail in this video is a crime against humanity.

[@FattyMcFox]

Jiangshir are not like western vampires, but they are often just called chinese vampires, so i think specifying between western and Chinese is sufficient. I also don't want to be asked to translate things when people learn i know a few mandarin words, so i won't be calling them FengHuang any time soon.

[@qingxuanyue]

theyre supposed to be called chinese zombies

[@learnchinesenow]

Jiangshi 殭屍 is zombie, Xixuegui 吸血鬼 is vampire

[@Vinzie777]

Western Phoenix is so op, able to manipulate matter and have the mutation of telepathy along with the combination of telekinesis, took a husband that shoots optic laser, and kissed a wolverine. While eastern phoenix is just a burning chicken.

[@tailau7674]

The cardinal direction bird is called Suzaku , it’s breed is consider bird of vermillion and it’s not a phoenix . 鳯凰 is actually titles of king and queen of the birds of vermillion . It’s facts! That I didn’t look .

[@sircole4549]

So Feng Huangs don't have any connections to fire and the sun. Every single Chinese novels i read paint them as fire/sun birds and the authors always use them as the yin in the phoenix and dragon pairing.

[@learnchinesenow]

Actually they have a connection with the sun and there are many paintings of Phoenixes with the sun. But they dont get set on fire

[@aldenteh9412]

I think the bird you are referring to is the 朱雀 Zhu Que, it is a bird that is vermilion in colour and is associated with fire. It is a mythical creature in Chinese culture.

[@sircole4549]

@@learnchinesenow the phoenix dragon pairing always confused me because dragons who symbolize yang are rulers of water while phoenixes are yin and are sun birds in novels, though now I know they aren't but from what you said it still has a connection with the sun. Not only that, since the phoenix is the ruler of all birds, are the Vermillion bird and the Golden Crows under their rule? Also when I read about the Four Symbols and Four Holy beasts the only difference is the western position, with the qilin taking the place of white tiger but the Phoenix and vermilion bird have the same identity.

[@kennethhwang3425]

​@sircole4549 Holy beings of the same rank in Chinese fantasy don't typically go "top down" like that. Also, the understanding of Yin & Yang should not be taken as Cold vs Hot but more like Dynamic & Foundation. Yang is the principle of active yet unchanging qualities while Yin is the yielding and always transforming qualities. The "Jade Scripture of Thunder" would describe the Thunder as "Relying upon the (house of) Yang for authority and upon the (house of) Yin for divine nature". Consequently, the god of Thunder is 雷公 or "Father Thunder" but the lightning deity is 电母 or "Mother Lightning". Subsequently, the deity of wind is also 风婆 or "Madame Wind". The attribution of Dragons and Phoenix for Yang & Yin are just stereotypes enforced by later traditions. Stereotypes are rarely true, especially knowing that there ARE female dragon deities AND male Phoenixes.

[@lecongduan126]

👍😃👍 🍵

[@AdamYJ]

So, only the Western one is “Fire and life incarnate”? (Shout out to X-Men fans).

[@KGTiberius]

❓ “Flower Bridge” meme… is that real? ❤ EXCELLENT summary of Phoenix.

[@Ermagron]

poenix the rome secret gold eagle bird no one talking about

[@noahpeng1689]

The setting of the Phoenix Order's burning and rebirth was introduced from the West in the early 20st century, and is now often confused with the traditional image of the phoenix.

[@minun5]

Ho-oh!

[@squizzyicetea]

Google 'Onagadori' It's a breed of chicken where they have focused on the males. They have tails that are so long, they require special care. Inspired by the Phoenix ❤

[@brokenfiction999]

But... isn't the Vermillion Bird the Chinese Phoenix??

[@YuBeace]

I can’t believe you insulted the pheasant like that. Take it back. Apologise. 😢

[@zenastronomy]

i wonder if parrots were mistaken for phoenix and went extinct

[@pustakarileks7404]

Your explanation of phoenix or fenghuang are not complete without the real phoenix one dude. There is bird which lives in mollucas and papua called "Cenderawasih" (the bird of paradise). Ancient Javanese people used this birds as gift to chinese, middle east and european people (spain or portuguese) for smooth trading between them and javanese (i think it's majapahit or before majapahit). That's why the legend of phoenix comes, the javanese people very smart to make and tell fiction story until now.

[@animarium1249]

Fenghuang isn't Vermilion bird tho

[@learnchinesenow]

no, that is Zhu Que

[@animarium1249]

Yeah, that's why I am kind of confused. Why would someone say Fenghuang is an Eastern Phoenix when in terms of appearance (red/yellow and abilities (fire related) are closer to Vermilion bird (Zhu Que). Then I remembered that Phoenix have different appearance depends on where and when you read it. So... 🤷. What am I talking?

[@learnchinesenow]

Just because it is commonly translated as Phoenix so we are talking about it. But yeah, Zhu Que is more like a Phoenix

[@FriedChocobo]

I have a feeling that Chinese phoenix is just a peacock..

[@lo_ard]

In meitei lon

[@unechaine1]

In "the legend of Shen Li" first episode there is a chicken-like-phoenix , highly funny, a womanized spiritual king 😃

[@quyenluong3705]

Yes it’s the year of the loong. So fenghuang should replace phoenix

[@learnchinesenow]

You mean Lóng?

[@tvc3mye]

Strange..I couldn't hear a single voice while viewing the clip

[@WhiteScorpio2]

I don't think "western" is the best term here.

[@DragonLordGabrielBrowncoat]

I sort of agree, but because it’s first reference was found in a Greek text, they used the term western to represent the fundamental difference between Afro-Asiatic and Indo-European cross cultural synchronicity and a purely Asiatic view. Therefore they have a different views on certain creatures because both western and eastern mythology started in the Middle East and you can trace the origin of many mythological creatures, including dragons to a common origin somewhere in the middle of Eurasia, at least according to some scholars 🤔

[@WhiteScorpio2]

@@DragonLordGabrielBrowncoat "you can trace the origin of many mythological creatures, including dragons to a common origin somewhere in the middle of Eurasia" I'll press X to doubt. Dragon imagery is found in China as early as 6000-5000 years BC.

[@tjpprojects7192]

Birds eat snakes, snakes eat birds, Chinese phoenix is equal to Chinese dragon in strength?

[@Borderose]

China has the Dragon Throne. Korea claims the Phoenix Throne. Japan? Has the Chrysanthemum Throne, but when I think about it, shouldn't Japan claim the "Qilin/Kirin Throne"?

[@atsukorichards1675]

We have Kirin beer instead.

[@ramonafahrni5701]

These are niceties for those who have a lot of time to waste!

[@dlimijayasuriya536]

Thanks. It's really impressive 👍. Actually, I'm interested in these topics and wanna know much about it 🌸. But, after reading the below comments..... I think "The real Chinese Phoenix" is not describing well. Anyway, I'm impressed.