Chinese Shoe Patcher Bobbin Driver Alignment

Beginners using the Chinese Shoe Patcher will find it hard to align the bobbin driver once it comes out from the shuttle bed. This video helps them to realign it in the correct position.
補鞋機初用者不知怎樣調校梳托，視頻可幫助解決問題。

[@cojo582]

short and sweet just like it should be,thanks a lot man for taking the time to share.

[@kslam5733]

Thanks for watching. You are welcome l

[@denverdaynasar]

this is the best, got tons of videos here in YT ,this one solved my bobbin issue, thank you!!!!!!

[@JB-uj8mz]

❤thank you I couldn’t get mine to work till I followed your video😮🙏🏼🙏🏼

[@camnytv2938]

Thank you for the video I’ve been trying to figure out after watching almost every video on here what I could do to fix it and your video helped thank you so much

[@kslam5733]

Nice to see my video can help you out of the timing issue. Enjoy the success feeling this little wonder brings to you.

[@rttagro]

Can I stitch fancy plastic chappal soul's 🤔

[@SlowPersuit]

Finally- a line of stitches! What I had done of course was follow the (other) youtube vids that said to take out the bobbin carrier & clean up then replace. So I did - and presumed it could only go back in one- way. Thanks for that KS- I spent a day struggling with this (on top of a day sorting out the top feed/ bobbin bit, and a week returning & replacing the first machine that was broken!

[@kslam5733]

Beginners would quite lose confidence after several attempts and still failed to solve the problems. The trouble of reinstalling the bobbin driver is one most newbies would meet and take them quite a lot of time to solve. I am happy to see that video can help.

[@SlowPersuit]

@@kslam5733 the power of the internet & kind people!

[@ronnietrosclair7091]

A helpful hint. Instead of using pliers or some other metal tool to remove the bobbin shuttle (which can cause burs or other damage) use a magnet.

[@kslam5733]

Thanks for your idea. The bobbin driver is guite hard to be pulled out by magnet. As it is not always needed to move the driver out, using plier just once or twice does not matter.

[@joaquing7003]

Again you have helped me to get the machine working correct. Thank you for your videos.

[@kslam5733]

Nice to see my videos still play a role in solving the sewing problems when using this little machine. Thanks for watching.

[@trevethan82319841]

I just tryd what you showd in this video and tested with a lil sewing thread and thank God you mad this video because I couldn't figure out how to get this to work thank you

[@marinopacentrilli9533]

Your the man. I watched the rest your the best.

[@kslam5733]

Thanks for comments. Hope you can get the best from my videos.

[@Awannabestylist]

Very well-done!

[@MasterofCrude]

ThanX this is WONDERFUL ! Think there might be a 'fine adjustment' as I experience a reoccurring JAMB.

[@michaelthorpe7211]

What a clear and concise video - excellent.

[@kslam5733]

Thanks for watching.

[@jorgaoalvarado4990]

After 10 videos this video alone got me sewing again

[@kslam5733]

I also got this feeling of success after many attempts. So I published this video to help those with the same problem.

[@luarminombre2153]

Thanks I followed ur video and my machine now it’s working. Thank you

[@kslam5733]

Nice to see you get the machine work!

[@gergemall]

Thank you,

[@joeyyarachno]

Thank you for your video. But if I may ask: Sometimes when my machine seems like it’s aligned, I could stitch my project a few stitches, and then out of nowhere it seems like my needle gets stuck or “hits” something as it goes into the shuttle and I end up breaking my needle. Do you know what that could be??

[@HNXMedia]

Great and helpful video.

[@GottliebGoltz]

Different bobbin system from Mine but I think the answer comes out the same. Thank You.

[@sebastianusami]

iv been fighting for hours with mine, cant get it to pull the thread

[@budiwaloyo8426]

aku hadir bosqu, siiiip banget tutorialnya jelas

[@manueldominguez1689]

One million of thanks.Estaba loco ya y no sabia que mas hacer.

[@kslam5733]

You are welcome!

[@lindanelson8100]

I have "moved up" to a Singer 29k type patcher machine. Am having trouble with timing as can not get upper thread to pick up bobbin thread with needle at highest point and using the Chinese patcher from Bantam you have demonstrated in your videos, the bobbin case at 3 o'clock. I know mine is a different machine but am wondering if anyone can help me out.

[@danharrell6200]

I need to know how to do the timing, the KZbin videos are confusing

[@TheBrad605]

My top threads breaks when I got through any leather. I can sew nylon fine. I can’t figure out why leather isn’t working. Any ideas?

[@captainjack3303]

I’m having the same problem, have you figured it your yet?

[@nunyabusiness5199]

Maybe you could go through a complete tutorial on setting this machine up properly?!. I have watched this video multiple times and set it up per your instruction and still cannot get it to run right. Thx

[@kslam5733]

It is a simple machine. You must follow exactly each step. If not, may be the needle position and depth a factor. Check it.

[@Viennapal]

I have the same problem. I have tried 3 days now. Needle depth, bobbin timing. Watched ALL videos. I cannot get it to run. Not picking up bobbin thread or catching top thread under the bobbin shuttle carrier.

[@gnc1962]

@@Viennapal did you ever find a solution? that is my problem

[@Foxuniverso]

How do i remove is if i don't have any magnets?

[@kslam5733]

Using the tweezer, but it is not as smooth as using magnet strip. In the long run, get a magnet.

[@TheBrab12]

Thank you so much man I really need an explanation!!

[@lindanelson8100]

PS-- I understand this to be a timing issue. Right?

[@MrjackieG]

Very good!

[@JC-ms2rz]

For me my needle was not set to go down far enough. After I adjust that to go as low as possible without banging into the "foot" my machine worked fine.

[@jessesteven3324]

Instablaster.

[@enyawdnitram185]

Hello. Perhaps you can help. I bought the Chinese shoe patch machine in October of 2022. I spent a month watching videos, etc. For some reason I could not get the machine to pick up the bobbin thread. So frustrated I put in the closet for a year. Pulled it out recently, and finally fixed the bobbin thread issue. Once the bobbin pickup worked, then I had an issue of the upper thread breaking. Watched some more videos, and did some intense sanding of all the bobbin parts. That stopped the breaking. Now, the thread is too loose. Before I just immediately tighten the bobbin spring, can you tell what would be causing the bottom thread to be too loose on my finished tests?

[@kslam5733]

1. Tighten the small flat on the side of the bobbin. 2. If not work, tighten the upper thread knob. The result is the bottom thread cannot move the upper thread too much. Bottom thread would be tightened then.

[@enyawdnitram185]

@@kslam5733 thanks. It’s working now

[@TheBrad605]

My top threads tears when I sew leather, it’s fine with nylons. What did you do to stop it from tearing your thread?

[@kslam5733]

@@TheBrad605 may be the thread is too thin for leather. use thicker thread would solve.

[@toma3valentin]

Thanks!

[@dontrease9808]

Mine keeps cutting the top thread on the first rotation. Any ideas?

[@kslam5733]

Must do the deburring of all the items the thread passes through such as the bobbin, bobbin driver, needle bar.... Join the Facebook group 'China leather shoe patcher' to ask for help or read their documents on this item found in their file section. The breaking of thread is a common issue for a newbie and will be overcome easily.

[@JimCope-channel]

This is a very good video. I learned much from it. I do not understand correctly choosing the correct needle and thread for sewing very thick leather. maybe 10 oz. I try several kinds of thread, all break. Using HA-1, 140/22 needle, and Anjiyoyo T70 #69 thread. The thread was recommended by the FB group. You know better thread? Thank you

[@kslam5733]

I have used the T135#20 thread with needle 18 for upholstering the sofa leather. They were both ok with occasional snaps not because of the thread and the needle but the friction created for stitching the thickest areas. I haven't tried needle 22. In theory they are too large for the machine. This big sized needle would create very big friction when passing through the shuttle plate hole and inside the shuttle bed groove. The 3 items (top thread, bobbin thread and the needle) would go through the 2 layers of leather and the abovementioned at the same time. Friction created would snap the thread. If you enlarge the shuttle plate hole and the shuttle bed groove, it may be possible to solve the snapping problem. I haven't tried this. You should learn more on this before you try. The T70#69 thread is good for leather work - not too thin. Needle 16 and 18 are good too for this thread.

[@genyama714]

thanks !

[@MrPops880]

I purchased my cobbler shoe patching machine and made all adjustments lubed it up and got the needle to pickup the bobbin thread, but when I start sewing the first two stitches the top thread break off like its being torn in the bobbin are, do you have any idea to fix this, I have cleaned and polished the shuttle for the bobbin and bobbin its self.

[@kslam5733]

James Payton View my another video on this machine which I have answered the same guestion raised by a viewer. In the long feedback I made, I have thoroughly examined the steps which may possibly cause the problem. You may find some hints. In fact, the mechanism is not complicated, try by error is needed. It would not damage the machine. The link to my video is as follows : kzbin.info/www/bejne/fWTHk3SnaLprftU

[@MrPops880]

Thank you Sir, and I found the issue, I was using to large of a thread and to small of a needle, so I need to get a larger needle for the thread that I want to use which is a T210 or T270, and that thread size requires a 25/220, so thanks for the help.

[@walterarquinego7933]

gracias👍🏻👍🏻

[@razzhoneydoll1]

I bought one of these machines and it keeps cutting the thread from the main spool as the needle is going into the base plate. I think it must have something to do with the timing of the bobbin but I have checked and rechecked the timing as you have it in your video. What an I missing?

[@kslam5733]

Many possible areas need to take care: 1. Polishing works : every sharp edge along the path the thread goes, e.g the bobbin carrier (edges and holes), hole the needle goes through on the shuttle bed. 2. Any unnecessary tensions created : the thread spool too heavy for the thread to pull, the thread loops formed and jampped in the tension disc 3. Thread and needle not matched: too heavy thread with small sized needle There are many videos on using this machine available on the internet, go through them carefully and soon you will find the gists. Practise more too and learn from the mistakes.

[@razzhoneydoll1]

@@kslam5733 Thank you for your suggestions. I'll clean and polish the bobbin parts etc... I'm using the thread and needle that came with the machine but I'll check to make sure they match.

[@razzhoneydoll1]

@@kslam5733I finally had some success sewing...... Not sure it really works???? but I re timed the bobbin shuttle by loosing the two nuts on the side of bobbin shuttle bar. put the handle at 12 o'clock and positioned the bobbin carrier at 12 O'clock, tighten the nuts and gave it a try.... and it seems to work better. ????

[@kslam5733]

@@razzhoneydoll1 A good try! It is quite possible that the nuts which secure the shuttle bar have been loosened during transportation. Remember, no matter how you try, the bobbin carrier must be placed as the position I showed in the video.

[@razzhoneydoll1]

I meant too say "bobbin carrier at 3 O'clock"

[@CurmudgeonExtraordinaire]

Thanks... My machine was not picking up the thread from the bobbin and I could not figure out why. Since it came from the Chinese seller with thread (more like clear monofilament fishing line) in the bobbin, thread through the thread pathway of the machine, and a supposed sample piece of thick leather-like (i.e. fake leather) material that had been sewn, it would seem like they are saying that it is correctly set up and ready to sew. Nope... There's no way that they could have picked up thread from the bobbin in the position that they had the carrier installed.

[@kslam5733]

The machine needs a lot of filing of the edges of areas in contact with the thread. If needle thread cannot take up bobbin thread, the following areas need your attention: the needle is correctly positioned or not (thread groove of the needle on left), Bobbin driver aligned with the needle movement (Timing). Carefully examine the structure of these areas, you should find out the solution. Learning from the KZbin videos is also a great help.

[@CurmudgeonExtraordinaire]

@@kslam5733 -- Removing the bobbin driver and rotating it a bit completely cleared up my problem. I just need to get some *real* thread and larger needles and not this monofilament crap that they included with my machine.

[@PWeezFMR_ESSV_200]

Hey is there anyway you can explain to me in further detail on how I can get my need to catch my bobbin thread?

[@brencislu3679]

Can you make a video of needle adjustment seems like mine never makes contact with the bobbin

[@kslam5733]

The placing of the needle in the needle bar is not complicated. It does not need any adjustment. Just place the needle onto the needle bar groove. For more details, refer to the Facebook group "China leather shoe patcher". There is a file section where many instructions manual are stored. Read them for free.

[@stretchmfe4913]

That helped. Thanks!

[@firat2510]

Hello again. Now the thread came threw but it don’t want to sew. It’s like sewing on the same spot again and again and it doesn’t go forward

[@kslam5733]

you need to go through all the steps from the beginning of how the machine works . Read the information from the face group "China leather shoe patcher " for how to set up the machine .

[@firat2510]

K S LAM it won’t work:/ can you help me and we chat on Instagram or something? I watched like 50 videos how to everything but It just don’t sew. It only sew on one point...

[@kslam5733]

@@firat2510If the machine sew at the same point, it is concerned with the structure of the patcher. You had better to examine each part patiently and find out how they work. It is hard to tell you how if you don't take the initiative yourself. The process is not difficult but a good learning experience. You can also raise your questions in the Facebook group "China leather shoe patcher". People there will help you getting through all your problems. But you need to be a member first.

[@williamganley4739]

Try loosening the stitch length screw to increase the stitch length. If it's screwed too far in the stitches stack up and does not move forward. This is the screw with the single spring under the top machine arm. Also you could check your pressure foot tension if it's slipping on the material which is the double spring screw next to the stitch length screw.

[@wq6737]

Das ist das Wichtigste bei der Chinanähmaschine. Merken und genau danach einstellen !!!

[@baconsledge]

Unfortunately, this is only part of the adjustment. The author does not show what position the bobbin rack (adjustable by the two nuts shown next to each other) needs to be in for proper timing. As this affects the rotational position of the bobbin holder, if this is off, then the 9 oclock settings go out the window. It would be awesome if someone really knew this machine and could explain timing settings.

[@kslam5733]

Usually, the factory would set up the machine properly. For beginners, what they are concerned about most is the reinstalling of the bobbin driver which they have lifted out accidentally. This is the purpose of the video. The disassembling of the nuts to tune in the 9 o'clock position is a challenging job for the beginners. If they need so, there is no short cut or any golden rule to follow. Trial by error is the natural answer. Moving the moveable bar and the bobbin driver in 9 o'clock position until they match. This is the natural way out and need not be taught.

[@baconsledge]

K S LAM ...thank you. I did not mean to be offensive at all...I was a little frustrated at first but your video helped. Thank you! It is a fun machine!

[@jamesburriss1086]

I see a lot videos about this subject and and I have had the same issue which has been taken care of. But what I am having a problem with is the machine will not sew straight it always sews on a bias to the presser foot ultimately running off the material. I have tried several things to remedy like disassembling it and making sure the parts were machined square and the foot has equal pressure on the material but nothing has worked so far anyone out there who can help me out with this? Other than that the machine works very well

[@kslam5733]

It does not sew straight if you do not hold the material with your hand. The patcher presser foot is narrow and cannot grasp large area of the material. It will slip off the material easily.

[@jamesburriss1086]

@@kslam5733 I have tried all that you suggested and those things work but I think there is something wrong with this individual machine I have sewing experience and I have never ran

[@jamesburriss1086]

Across this before if anyone knows what is causing this and has a solution or suggestion to help I would be very grateful

[@firat2510]

From the minute 2:20 it’s not working on my machine. Please somebody have to help me :/

[@kslam5733]

This means the timing is still not correct. Must do it again. Check every step.

[@firat2510]

K S LAM okay thank you I will try it again!

[@aaronheras]

mi thread stock between bobbin case and frame, how can I send u a piucture. I did buy the machine 3 years ago, and still can not use it. thx

[@kslam5733]

Join the Facebook group "China leather shoe patcher", send them the picture and ask your questions. Many group members would answer your questions.

[@charlesuskert850]

i ve got one of these bantam leather sewing machines and tried adjusting the bobbin 9 o'clock position and the 12 o'clock position neither worked any ideas. Not picking up the bobbin thread.

[@kslam5733]

My video shows both bobbin driver and the handle are at 9 oclock position rather anyone at 12. Following exactly the way shown in the video should work, check carefully your steps. Also, check the bobbin thread is properly wounded and placed. The end thread must be placed on the v shaped notch so that it will not jammed between the bobbin case and the driver.

[@MainelyAcresFarmBrooks]

I have a machine from Bantam Saddle and tack and in order to get the gear to line up you need to follow the 12 o'clock noon position for the flywheel and a 3 o'clock position for the bobbin driver.

[@kslam5733]

Mainely Acres we are doing the same despite differences in positioning the driver and the handle. Bobbin driver at nine means the side close to the needle whereas yours the other side at three. In this way the handle at nine in my version equals to yours at twelve. In fact, I followed the procedure suggested by the manual in Chinese as I can read Chinese.

[@MainelyAcresFarmBrooks]

I'll give that a try on my machine and see how that works. My machine didn't come with a manual, so I had to wing it. LOL Thanks for the tip!!

[@MainelyAcresFarmBrooks]

I am sorry I doubted you, you're absolutely right about that position!! Like you said it works both ways

[@ronaldatkinson9165]

"beginner"s might want to know how to get the bobbin out of it's place so we can attempt to wind it and replace it.

[@trevethan82319841]

What size thread is best for this

[@kslam5733]

Thread should match with needle size. Don't use too thick thread for small size needle. You can find out by looking at the needle groove, the thread would go into this groove when you sew. If too thick thread used, it will not fit into this groove. The thread will break after a few stitches. I usually use needle size 18 for my projects. My thread size is 210D / T70. This is a thread commonly used in leather work. Adjust this yourself.

[@trevethan82319841]

@@kslam5733 o ok cool thank you

[@rs2143]

Wallmart ulpostery thread bonded nylon works best in 16 and 18 needles in my machine .You cant tear it .It tought .😎👍👍👍

[@trevethan82319841]

@@rs2143 thank you I'm new at sewing and my goal is to fix my hammock cl cocoon and I need something strong

[@ekim955yt]

This is beautiful.

[@keyladiaz176]

壮观的视频，但我的机器没有缝制或从下面取下线在一边 Zhuàngguān de shìpín, dàn wǒ de jīqì méiyǒu féng zhì huò cóng xiàmiàn qǔ xià xiàn zài yībiān

[@kslam5733]

This google translated Chinese is not up to my level of understanding. I cannot catch what your issue with the machine. Still, thanks for watching.