Chinese x58 Motherboards.... Do they even work???

[@techyescity]

Nice video man, never bothered with these after the x79 huanans, they barely handled the 3930k 6 core with no overclocking... biggest thing about x58 is the overclocking, if you can't OC x58 then no point IMO.

[@CraftComputing]

Thanks YES man! Yep, I was hoping with the board to get some overclocking out of it. But at stock speeds, they just don't hold up to even budget CPUs anymore. Love your channel man. Thanks for giving mine a view :-)

[@katohoachumi8024]

Craft Computing you should really check out the yes Man's x58 vs i7 8700k you may be surprised!( I guess you have seen it, just saw your comment on his video)

[@buda3d2007]

The other point tech yes man made was possible timings with 3x channel ddr3 might give you a slight edge with competitive gaming, still considering the option, just need the right price (scratches chin in contemplation)

[@ivanmonahhov2314]

When I was looking for a x79 several years ago , I had two options : Get a $400-500 board or what I did got a refurbished one off ebay.

[@ShaunSommer]

I love my X5690 on a Rampage III Gene, but I have no idea how to overclock LOL. Anytime I try it doesn't boot....can you guys do a tutorial??

[@octanegamer1576]

Now if your gonna talk about the X58 platform, I recommend you talk to the YES man himself, Bryan from Tech Yes City.

[@CraftComputing]

I love the YES man! Probably one of my favorite channels to watch.

[@CraftComputing]

And I forgot to mention later in the video... Yes, this does run in Dual Channel, and the PCIe interface speed was being misreported by CPU-Z. It claimed 4x, but scored identically to the 2400G in GPU only testing, meaning it is at least connecting at 8x.

[@lmchua8644]

hi can you check out the 1060 5gb from china? it seems to be reasonably priced unlike the usual 1060 6gbs. Would like someone who is a professional like you to test it out and compare the differences.

[@CraftComputing]

Do you have a link to it? Won't promise anything, but I'll at least check it out.

[@uniwasamistake6334]

DU COUTEAU I heard 1060's memory config can only do 3Xgigs. So it shouldn't really be able to do dat...

[@CraftComputing]

There was talk about a 5GB 1060 hitting the streets back in December.

[@geopouros]

I thing the limiting factor here was the mobo not the cpu dude! check out the bench off Yes Man with original x58 mobos vs 8700k and 1080ti!!! They still rock hard!!!

[@luukidk4850]

I'm absolutely not a pc guy, but I really enjoy watching what you do. keep up the good work

[@CraftComputing]

Thanks so much! I'm glad you're enjoying it.

[@kbuxtonator5052]

This one actually came with a battery...

[@BigMan7o0]

if you get a mobo with overclocking, X58 is definitely still worth it. However without overclocking it just really isn't worth it, due to the low stock clock speeds. My 5670 at 4.6ghz is pretty damn good, at only 20% slower than a 1600 at 4ghz, putting it at about 1050 on cinebench for my daily OC. If I didn't care about killing the chip I could run 4.9ghz at high voltage (1.475-1.48) and get about 1150 on cinebench, but I really can't be bothered killing my chip for 10% extra performance

[@polentusmax6100]

You can buy a replacement for like 20$ on aliexpress or ebay.... But i agree with you

[@dragonsystems5973]

Every platform is relevant if 1. it does the job, and 2. the price is right

[@abedfo88]

no triple channel, no dice. I have an X5670 at 4.2ghz in a asus p6t deluxe with 12gb of triple channel memory, it smokes my old fx8320 so i'm happy enough with it!. I get 980ish in cinebench r15 multi-thread which keeps me happy. Was thinking of even getting an x5675 to see if i can get around a 4.4ghz OC.

[@jakegarrett8109]

You could just get a Ryzen 1700 since people will be selling those for the newer chips. They easily make 1700+ cb even with a low clock of 3.8 Ghz.

[@ericedwards8234]

Can confirm. I gifted my old X58 setup to a friend of mine that was using an FX8350, and he reported substantially better performance almost across the board.

[@ToothlessSnakeable]

Could just get Ryzen

[@kyroberkers4080]

I got a X5675 @4,4Ghz paired with a 1070, in CB R15 I get 1031CB. When I go balls to the walls I can get 1123CB @4,8Ghz, I think I can get 4,9Ghz and about 1150CB or maybe even 1200CB (went from 4,75Ghz getting 1089 to 4,8Ghz 1123, may have a little chance at getting it at 5Ghz to run Cinebench)

[@kyroberkers4080]

Andrew Bedford BTW to get more performance I would recommend tuning your QPI, uncore frequenty and memory, got me up 30CB when tuned to max

[@vaggelisdogas]

You are literally in my mind or something,I was looking yesterday for these motherboards and I found you from the x79 review you did,and today you post for the x58 variant.Nice job in the review mate, thank you so much

[@dethskullcrusher]

I love the feel of this channel, and apparently i'm not the only one, this channel is growing fast!

[@CraftComputing]

Thanks!

[@WAncouvOR]

I bought on eBay a x5660 with asus sabertooth x58 motherboard combo for 220$ total (shipping was $10) last year Jan 2017, made more sense to buy that then a locked i5 for same price, or more expensive unlocked i5. 6 months later, ryzen came out. Now I'm happy I got 6 core CPU, games will now be optimized for it since it's more popular. I'm pretty happy, got Mobo, 6 core cpu, overclockable, for 220$ USD. Still using today!

[@CraftComputing]

Those are great boards!

[@WAncouvOR]

Craft Computing ya, awesome for my first PC I built by myself! I had a desktop like 10 years ago running Windows XP, but since then I only had cheap laptops, but now I have a desktop with so much expansion! :D

[@baradar67]

Building my 2700x system today. 9 years on x58 and loved it, very stable (ex58-extreme). It's not going to be retired, just rolled over to do caching/firewall/backup server. Great vid

[@culture6915]

I love how the beer goes lower and lower with each jump cut. Good video, keep it up brother.

[@HimselfXD]

I am still using an x58 system but I am also about to order an i7-8700k so it definitely did it's job for about 9years.(i7-960) My Asus Sabertooth motherboard died a few years ago so I bought a Lenovo workstation motherboard. That lenovo motherboard has got some quirks to it for sure so I am really excited to upgrade.

[@Markel_A]

I think the biggest advantage to LGA 1366 if you can find a cheap motherboard is value for money. With how ridiculous DDR4 prices are today, it's way easier to go with something like a x5660/x5650 with a 3.8-4+ GHz overclock, especially considering you can easily find 24GB kits of DDR3 for super cheap on ebay. Compare that to the price of even 16GB of DDR4 you'd need to buy in order to upgrade to Ryzen or CoffeeLake and that alone is a pretty good reason to stay on the socket. More so when you consider you can still get really good gaming performance out of CPUs that can be frequently found for less than $100.

[@covalentspace1889]

Really liked the video. I think the value in those chips are that they are still great and cheap for used server builds. I got two X5675's for $50 and used dell server for $150 (came with the RAM, PSU, and motherboard). What I would like to see maybe is him get a used server build from ebay and slap a semi modern GPU in it for a cheap gaming setup.

[@Ivan-pr7ku]

My main rig from 2010 to 2017 was X58-based with i7-920, later upgraded to X5650. The platform is probably the most reliable I've ever used -- a true workhorse for any occasion. I moved to X99 and 6800K, just because there was a good used parts deal available, right before the DDR4 memory price hike. I still keep the X58 mobo, since it's one of the rarest models -- BloodRage GTi by Foxconn -- quite remarkable high quality design.

[@W1ldSm1le]

Using a dual socket b(dual x5677) workstation as we speak, paid 450$ for it, a rx480 and a 512gb ssd the same month the 480 launched. I think i did pretty well. The real question is why would use a 1080 with a x58 set up. A budget gpu and a frames/dollar graph would be more appropriate.

[@sthlng2180]

"The best tech channel is LinusTe..." *puts finger on mouth* "Shh" *shows video*

[@DeusEx.Machina]

Wait, isn't this Linus ?

[@swag-cc4uc]

got my X5660+X58 EVGA board for $65 total, as it was supposed to be broken, but it wasn't.

[@OnlineRockerz]

Where did you get it, can you share link

[@RUFU58]

I’m using x58 still and I absolutely love it. I have the ASUS Rampage III Extreme with i7 990x and 12gb of 2000mhz ram - runs like a dream and have I reason to upgrade as of yet!

[@DasDoubleD]

The only X58 system I own is an HP Z400 I was able to get for $50 from my recycler. Honestly, the platform still does have *some* uses, as you said. Especially as a server, despite power draw at idle, allows for tons of PCIe cards, storage, et cetera, for anyone on a budget. For anyone looking for X58 or budget server/gaming is better off with a used system, by and large. Most of the Dell/HP workstations have excellent power supplies capable of at least one GPU, although they're proprietary.

[@Dutchy008]

I still run a x58 system with a W3680 (identical to the i7 980x and x5680) clocked at 4GHZ. This baby still plays all games perfectly, even CPU heavy games such has Battlefield 1 at 1440p. I think it would be worth making another video about x58, this time with a proper motherboard and tripple channel RAM speeds just to see how it actually holds up. Good video though.

[@ShaDoWxGFX]

X58 is still relevant in 2018. I picked up a working system with an X58 UD7 Extreme motherboard paired with an i7 950 for $150.

[@MastrHyperion98]

If you can get a good board for cheap with overclocking capabilities then I think the x58 is a good choice for really really tight budgets. However, an older platform.will only get you so far. At that point your better off getting an R3 1200 and keep a decent upgrade path for a couple years.

[@sburke1859]

I have an x58 with an i7 920 that was o/c @ 4ghz, I upgraded nearly 2 years ago to a 5820k and I honestly could not tell the difference while gaming ( I am running the 5820k @ 4ghz as well). I forget what the difference was when I benchmarked it, but that 920 is bullet proof, I still have it and I reckon you would still be fine gaming with it assuming you have a decent graphics card and enough ram.

[@Cbamptronious]

x58 is absolutely still good in 2018. You just have to use a decent mobo that can overclock. Brian from tech YES city jsut did a side by side with the 8700k and the differences were minimal at 1080p. that cinebench score will easily break 1000 if you could OC the chip to 4.4ghz+, which is easily attainable. Triple channel memory makes a difference as well.

[@watmoetikdoenmagic]

Can you maybe make a budget gaming computer guide? Like all the best you can get for a relatively low price + how to build it (since I don't know how to build stuff, an Ikea like build but in video maybe?) Mostly the building part I am very interested in. Ps: you have a very nice channel even tho I don't know a lot, the videos are just relaxing and amazing to watch :)

[@longnamedude3947]

I was looking into various iterations of these Chinese Brand X58 motherboards myself as LGA1366 socket Xeon CPU's are really cheap here in the UK, especially compared to any potential competing options from other brands/generations, likes you say though the X58 Chipset motherboards are still really overpriced for their age, however I still feel the LGA1366 still offers much better value than newer parts, I previously had (still have got it) a i5 6600k (at 4.9Ghz on air) based system with 16GB 2133Mhz RAM & a GTX1060 6GB as my main rig, but the motherboard BIOS chip on it failed after just 2 years, so whilst weighing up options I took a chance and purchased a HP Z600 Workstation with Dual Xeon X5650's, 48GB of RAM @ 1333Mhz and moved all my existing parts such as GPU and Storage to the Z600 from my i5 based Rig, despite its age the Dual Xeon system draws about the same amount of power whilst gaming and yet has much lower CPU usage (85% in GTA V for i5 - 11% in GTA V for Dual X5650), and you can actually overclock/undervolt the Xeons on the HP Z600 using software within windows plus even further with a Custom BIOS that you can flash all whilst keeping temps lower than at stock settings, X58 may no longer be the best option but LGA1366 is still the best value IMO, thanks once again for your video Edit: My i5 6600K system set me back £1100 when purchased in August 2015, the HP Z600 system set me back just £400 and adjusting for price fluctuation on SSD's & GPU's still ended up costing about £300 less

[@versus4582]

X58 is still alive and kicking ... Try an actual x58 board and overclock to 4.4 to 4.6 ghz and you are up there with a stock 5820k or 6800k ... You cant try a platform with an invalid board to draw the wrong conclusions ..

[@AJDOLDCHANNELARCHIVE]

Definitely. A fake motherboard based on a previous platform, that doesn't allow overclocking or even the use of Triple Channel memory isn't really a fair assessment of the x58/LGA1366 platform.

[@BastetFurry]

If you are really on a budget the best tip is still to buy used. A machine build around an AMD Phenom 2 X4 965 can still get you around pretty fast, thats my work PC running Lubuntu right now and everything runs.

[@stijnbagin]

I upgraded my old P45 S775 system with a x54xx series Xeon as an experiment. I'm quite impressed actually. It's no speed demon, but it holds up in current games. Paired with a GTX 1060, i have no complaints. :)

[@svtcontour]

You can find X58 motherboards and yes they are kind of expensive, but given that you can buy a CPU for $40 or $50, and then you can add in DDR3 for dirt cheap, you can probably set up a 6 core system with a moderate overclock, 24GB RAM for a fraction of the cost of a newer system that has even 16GB RAM.

[@hazy3955]

one of the only tech youtubers that cares to upload their videos in 4k in consideration of people like me with a 4k screen

[@ericedwards8234]

I just recently moved on from X58 and my X5677. Honestly, while I do get better performance on my 8600k in just about every respect, the difference wasn't as striking as I thought it would be. Only a few games really benefitted from the upgrade (namely Rise of the Tomb Raider) and I think that's mostly because I'm on Windows 10 and DX12. Suffice to say though, if you can find X58 machines on Craigslist and you're looking to get into PC gaming, it's a good buy, especially if you're comfortable with over clocking. My X5677 only cost me $45 on eBay, but you can also use CPUs like the X5650, which can OC to the same speeds as the X5677 and sometimes go for as little as $9.

[@chriswinslow5260]

Hmmm...did you do some sort of calculation to decide on the selection/overclocking/etc of the Ryzen cpu? An explanation of what you did to figure that out might help myself (and others I'm sure) take these numbers seriously. Thanks.

[@MatWilson2612]

x58 is still viable if you can pick up even a low end board cheap. Pair that with a hex core xeon with a 4-4.2ghz OC and you're golden. Only issue is the boards being so old are starting to be "flaky" alike a lot of early 1155 stuff and 1156 boards as they're all getting to that age.

[@dcaban85]

50 bucks as year 2019, THANK YOU CHINESE INDUSTRY, we need more videos like this, i need more videos like this.

[@jforce321]

As Bryan shows, you really have to push those overclocks to make x58 cpus relevant. I ran an x58 platform for 6 years till 2015 so I have a big love for the platform just like Bryan does.

[@CraftComputing]

I ran my x5690 until 2016 as well. I love the platform, but just looking at price to performance, unless you're able to get a killer deal on a motherboard, going with something more modern is starting to make sense. Especially now that AMD has started to heat things up in the CPU space again, we're going to see some pretty large leaps forward in the next few years.

[@jforce321]

Craft Computing oh I know I'm just saying without an overclock the platform is 100% irrelevant.

[@Neptunesplayground0]

Sir, I have seen a few of your videos and I am so damn lucky to find them! Very informative and creative! You sir have earned a subscriber!

[@Pholiage]

The issue with x58 boards and still is. Is the price. A used board is many times the same price as a new current gen entry boards. Some here in sweden are around $120+ depending on make and model. I sold one Asus premium x58 board for about $170. They are a nice performing platform but they just don't have the driver support anymore nor the warranty. So if anyone has a tight budget. Don't buy the x58 as a longterm gaming platform. I only switched from my i7 930 about 2 years ago to a 6700k. I didn't have to. I just wanted to. So it's still considered a beast imo.

[@zkfdsldfjsdjfl1]

congrats for being a creator on the rise

[@CraftComputing]

Thanks!

[@GGONZ4L]

Nice, you could you think about trying out one of the LGA 1156 motherboards? you could try it out with a x3440 and MAYBE see if you can OC that one a bit, it would be great to see since those xeon cpus are quite cheap and would be nice for a more budget mid tier gaming rig

[@aisle9]

There are overclockable X58 boards out there for about 20% more if you're willing to really scour the web and look locally as well. If you're ok with foregoing overclocking, you can try to track down something like an old Dell Studio XPS 9100 motherboard, which can be had for $60-80. I scored an X58 Sabertooth locally (in a city of about 100,000 people--not big at all) for $60 just by being in the right place at the right time. Wasting $100 on a P55 hackjob that can't overclock and runs dual-channel isn't giving X58 a fair shake, nor is buying a CPU that sells for as much as a Ryzen 5 1600 when you'd have gotten better results by buying a $20 X5650 and overclocking it to hell and back. Had you gone a little bit higher on motherboard quality and price, you'd have gotten something much closer to your 2400G. What you have here is a review of a POS Chinese motherboard that has no business running an X58 CPU. Even at stock speeds on a dumpster fire of a motherboard, I would venture a guess that your X5690 performance was a whole lot closer to stock 2400G performance, and for someone who might be looking at, say, 2200G or 2400G+A320 as what they can afford, a $20 X5650 on a $150 motherboard with dramatically cheaper DDR3 RAM suddenly makes a whole lot of sense. I hope you're able to revisit this video down the line as a proper X58 review, and not a review of an X58 setup after you've broken one of its legs, given it a concussion and stolen its lunch money.

[@v-raze1823]

Couldn't have put it better myself. He made a video that appears to be a motherboard review, but then spent most of it making comparisons and claims about the entire platform based on that single example rather than focusing on the actual board.

[@mattz788]

Mate. Ur amazing ur the most underrated KZbinr. U deserve hundreds of thousands of more subscribers

[@NoLuv4Hoz]

Nice vid, concise and to the point. x58 motherboard prices would need to be about half of what they currently are for the builds to make any sense. Really, its time to move on.

[@DonckIT]

beer + computer *_* the best way to attract a Belgian computer scientitst :D

[@satman1w]

...and never to have a sex with the female ... :-D

[@lefizz55]

I got my Asus X58 board for €30 with some bent pins. 2 hrs work fixed that and I now have a X5675 running at 4.3ghz stable with tri-channel memory. It is a more than competent setup for peanuts. However when ddr4 drops in price I'll definitely move on.

[@ericdeltoro8484]

X58 still has some fire in it, especially those more powerful gen 1 i7s and of course that x5690. The same can't be said for stuff on AMD's side. That said, unless you have a good x58 board already or able to get a steller deal on one, its not worth it for most people. I'm sure that x5690 would have performed a bit better if it had the tri-channel ram access and you'd been able to overclock it but I think the 2600G would have still beat it in most cases due to more efficient multicore use and additional instruction sets like AVX. On top of that, there's the straight power use. Like all older performance parts, they're power hungry.

[@jakegarrett8109]

IDK, I've seen an FX-8350 stock do 200 fps on Fortnite when the i7 6700k (overcklocked to 4.5 Ghz) could only do 240 fps. Both running CPU benchmark style with 360p resolution at lowest settings to ensure no bottlenecks. The FX ran the GTX 960, and the i7 ran the GTX 1080, but they weren't bottlenecking because of GPU. FX can still do pretty good, mine is running my testbench with more firepower than my main rig (Titan Xp and 1700), and the FX is holding its own very nicely with crossfire.

[@ericdeltoro8484]

The FX-8350 is a year newer than the x5690 but its half as powerful due to the poor multicore performance and the way its designed to spread out work. It also has a lower max temperature but higher power consumption than the x5690. The only thing the FX-8350 really has going for it is that its not very expensive to buy second hand (not by much though) and the motherboards are much cheaper to buy. That test is also flawed, if you wanted to test the difference between processor X and processor Y, you have to use the exact same parts (sans motherboard, cpu and in the case of the 6700k, ram) A true cpu benchmark would have used the same gpu because the gtx 1080 is far more powerful than the gtx 960. That aside, the 6700k is a far stronger processor than the FX-8350 for the same reason that the x5690 is more powerful than the FX-8350. The style of multicore processing that AMD used in the FX series (and in the Phenom series, I believe) isn't anywhere as efficient as Intel's. That's why Ryzen chips use the same multicore processing style as Intel chips now, because its flat out better. I'm running a FX-9590 and its pretty bad though its only redeeming quality is that I got it for $65. The main reason why I say this is that the i3 8350k, a budget oriented chip, performs just as well at stock performance and out performs it by quite a bit when overclocked. I didn't really expect anything too fantastic out of the 9590 when I bought it, I kinda just wanted it because it was the first retail chip to be sold as 5Ghz capable. The 8350k can easily hit 5ghz, if not higher with sufficient cooling and still use half the power that the FX-9590 manages to use.

[@ericdeltoro8484]

I'm not saying that you can't game on a FX chip, its just not the best thing out there. i5 4690Ks are fairly cheap to come across, if not slightly more expensive than a FX-8350 and perform as well, if not better than a FX-8350 clocked at 5Ghz and still uses a fraction of the power.

[@jakegarrett8109]

I don't think the 960 vs 1080 matters, should be the same driver overhead. Also no GPU bottleneck since I was testing at 360p which is 1/4 of even 720p. Even the Ryzen G2200 integrated graphics should hit well over 200 fps (it actually does 60 fps at 1080p, which is 9x more pixels = 540 fps ideally at 360p). Sure I could have put my Titan Xp in both of them, but honestly potatoes could run the graphics without bottleneck. I aim for 200 fps at 4k in that game, which is 38x more pixels (theoretically 7,600 fps at 360p, if you had the i7 at 142+ Ghz to keep up...)

[@SianaGearz]

My cinebench 15 score is 510, that's on a phenom II x6 running 3.9 GHz. A 6 core Xeon of this generation will double that in an overclock. Of course you could have a 12 core Opteron back in the same day, just as good for server tasks as the Xeon, but not good for workstation and gaming. Bulldozer/Piledriver is pretty decent out of the box for the time, but completely jumps off power/performance cliff if you try to overclock it significantly, a nice Phenom overclock can hit pretty close.

[@Pasi123]

I have a Xeon X5670 overclocked to 4.32GHz on an Asus P6X58D-E and 16gb Corsair Dominator 1600MHz. In my opinion X58 is still a good platform, my X5670 scores 131/1009 in Cinebench R15 @ 4.44GHz. In CPU-Z benchmark it scores 384.2/2946 (@ 4.32GHz) and for comparison R5 1600 (@ stock) scores 364/3108

[@acesiquijor9127]

I tried and bought the same one. x58 koloe and used a x5680. Changed the bios version to 2.0, IDE to Compatible, it runs perfectly. Downside, I can't seem to go pass 8gb ram running at 1333mhz. Cheap motherboard for the processor.

[@justinm6110]

I agree with you, it woulda been closer if you could of overclocked it, but it would of took even more power ,great video Jeff.

[@MarkJYule]

Still rocking an x58 system but I don't think I'd chance a board like this... I have an x5650 at 4.4 on an Asus P6x58d-e deluxe. The ability to run xeons and the triple channel memory have definitely given it an extended life, the only thing I'd criticise are it's Sata speeds but throw a cheap raid/hba card in or a pci-e nvme and you're good to go on. I just can't justify a whole new rig while it continues to boot up and run flawlessly and I keep my eye open for people selling them (most know their value so the bargains are gone) as I have 3 Xeon chips and some ram that would make a nice ESXi server (I run an i5 haswell with 32gb but the board only has 1 pci-e and it houses an Intel dual Nic as the onboard isn't supported and I had issues getting it to keep the workaround staying active). Long live x58 :)

[@davidbiondo2512]

great video, i wouldnt hesitate to make more videos about x58. Its a great budget platform, and people are always looking to spend less.

[@joannaatkins822]

Great video! I really think X58 systems are good if you already have one, but mobos are expensive and rare. I'll go ahead and stick with more mainstream boards myself, but a good set up on X58 will do you just fine if you have one.

[@arena_rock_man9030]

I think you should try this comparison again, but with a board that is triple channel capable.

[@segamanxero]

Searched this mobo and bookmarked it on ebay. I have a old i7 930 Bloomfield that I have lying around from when I upgraded my main desktop to a i7 990x gulf town. I know it will be sketchy, but I do have a tiny form factor case that this will fit in, so stuff I have laying around could be tied together just by this mobo. I will wait to see if the price comes down (its now 80$) further and try to scoop it up for cheap.

[@luizfilipedeoliveiraegrifi1630]

Hi, good vid as always, but I will make some considerations to why I think this wasn't a fair comparison because you didn't used 2 of the best things that the platform has to offer 1- triple channel memory with cheap ddr3 memory 2- I know that this board can't overclock but the good part of this xeons are that they are excellent overclockers, this would make the xeon the clear winner, and in my opinion anyone that's buying cpu for this platform are looking to overclock Besides this 2 factors, great vid, keep with the good work and sorry for my terrible English

[@penguinactually]

10 year old server cpu almost keeps up with near new mid range consumer cpu at stock clocks with ddr3 on a bootleg Chinese mobo. Pretty impressive to be honest. Mind you I just picked one of these boards up from a guy with an x5650 in it that wont bios beep no matter what's plugged in or pulled out lol, built in sep 2017. Oh the Chinese build quality :)

[@MrXtenzion]

I love how it says 'Motherboard' on the package! Must be some great stuff!!

[@MTNDEWGANG]

If you're poor, x58 is good, tech yes city proves its still moderately decent for its price, if you can find a cheap x58 with a quad/hexi core Xeon and oc the crap about it, it's still good but with ipc and other things, it does show its age. Awesome video once again!

[@presidentsad7217]

Mtn- Dewgang u don't have to be poor to use x58, I have an x58 pc as a backup/messing around pc

[@MTNDEWGANG]

John Doe you can get a sandy bridge platform just for a little bit more that is better in almost every way in terms of ipc, and upgradabilty. But x58 is good if everything else is extremely Overpriced.

[@presidentsad7217]

Mtn- Dewgang I already have a system much better than sandy bridge lol, so idc if it's better than my old x58 backup pc

[@JamesSmith-sw3nk]

I am using a dell t3500 tower with a x5670 (1366), no overclocking but it supports x-fire. I paid $225 for it that included 24gb ram (6x4gb), I have a gtx 1060 6g and I want to put a gtx 1070 ti on it. I also want to put a USB 3.0 card in it. Given the price of computer parts right now, I may be using it for a while yet.

[@ErrorlVlacro]

I've got a X5650 (just ordered the 90) with a AMD RX 580 and it's great for how old it is. Also have a i5 2500k with a AMD 5600 XT and same thing. Good for the age. Though obviously they are bottlenecked and only have PCIE 2.0. I just got a gaming laptop with Intel 11800H and 3050 TI and the XT scores higher it seems, but being this has an updated CPU I feel like it's actually quite similarly powerful surprisingly.

[@worldhello1234]

@6:35 If you don't plan to overclock, you won't pay "through the nose" for the X58 platform because most viable OC boards are quite rare and expensive.

[@sburns015]

X58 still has some fight left in it if you have a good board that can overclock. My x5675 @4.6ghz paired with a 1080 handles anything I throw at it, in cinebench r15 it's single core score is 138 and scores 1059 on the multi thread.

[@ProfessorSprouts]

you can get super nice, brand new x58 SuperMicro boards on eBay fro $50, and they have 2 sockets and triple channel for both sockets. As long as one is ok with long post times, and using pci-e extenders.

[@AJDOLDCHANNELARCHIVE]

I've got 3 x58 systems now (after having my first one for the past 8-9 years which started off with a i7 920 then switched out for an x5675 @ 4.2ghz all 6 cores/12 threads), stating that x58 isn't viable now whilst using a fake motherboard that has no CPU settings options and no triple channel memory is not really a fair thing to say. I get 995 Cinebench score at a modest overclock of 4.2ghz.... Am in the process of kitting out a T5500 with 2x 5680s (easy 1.5k+ Cinebench score), and just picked up another build to chuck in an extra x5680 and probably set it to 4.5ghz since the motherboard seems very eager on the 920 that came with the build (for £21! including Akasa Nero 3 CPU cooler, Cooler Master ATX case, i7 920, and Gigabyte UDR3 board, bargain of the century).

[@Smartphonekanalen]

Nice review. I like reviews shorter then 10 minutes - like this one.

[@pagb666]

I'll move up from my x58 once we get 8c/16t at decent clock speeds, but neither Intel or AMD are interesting in pushing it.

[@JimGaminGHD]

Does ECC Ram will work on this board? I'm planning to buy this for my home server or NAS

[@mekal779]

Great video as always if i could make a suggestion though either increase font size or make it black

[@greatgig1nthesky]

You'd probably get smilar performance with a (non-overclokable) x68 workstation from the likes of apple/lenovo/dell. The 2009/2010/2012 mac pro, the dell t3500/t5500/t7500, the lenovo thinkstation S20/D20. You could probably still pick up an s20 thinkstation for $80. Coupled with a decent graphics and a fast cpu (x5690,x5680), you'd get a decent station that doesn't bottleneck the graphics card all that much. Of course ideally you'd want an overclockable x58 mobo. But those run as expensive as a skylake mobo/cpu. It defeats the purpose of using x58 in the first place. They're also very likely to fail at anytime due to their age.

[@BeepBeep2_]

You said this was an 8+2 phase, but the board appears to have a 3+1 setup.

[@ants9230]

I have the same unbuffered ECC memory you used. I can't get it to run anywhere close to its rated speed or timings on any board. I suspect that's not the boards fault? Max i could get was around 1500MHz. On the up side, the tighter timings at lower speeds means the real world difference is minimal.

[@rexb21]

Well, for the price you paid for this castrated board I found a working X58 MSI mobo almost three years ago. Back then it was the best bang for the buck, as the CPUs were dirt cheap (initially I had an i7 920 which I switched for E5640 - lower TDP and increased oc potential for like 10$), but now the situation is changing. Now AMD and low end intel own the market, as the used parts' prices have not dropped that much to justify buying used parts. But sometimes you can buy an entire pc for cheap.

[@Reflexiony]

Probably LGA2011/X79 processors make sense if at all due to the many lanes and the M.2 (NVMe) connection. If ECC is really supported is questionable (ZFS/FreeNAS). The LGA1366/x58 are simply too weak of the IPC values and generally one is better off with B75/Sandy/Ivy... because the advantages of the "server" processor are no longer available. Overclocking only works on expensive motherboards, a used Ryzen V1 makes more sense out of price and performance.

[@iuliancalin22]

i bought a x5650 and saw this board on ebay, i got it on my listings , and O M G this video came out to the right time i just want to build a streaming machine since i have a gaming rig would you recommend it still?

[@iuliancalin22]

oh btw i subbed

[@randallsmith2521]

If someone really wants X58 they should pick up an old Dell Precision T3500 system. You don't get overclocking, but they are pretty quiet and don't run absurdly hot. With some ingenuity you can even install into an E-ATX case.

[@sonsofblades]

That low IPC holds back the Westmere Xeons a lot, sadly. Even a budget Pentium G4560 beats it in gaming. Source: Having owned a real X58 board with an overclocked X5650 at 4.4 Ghz and Triple Channel memory. It held back an AMD R9-290, so that should say something.

[@blazingmatty123]

X58 is a solid platform, but if you have even a halfway decent board then the 130w CPUs just aren't worth it at all, they actually oc a bit worse in my finding than the 95w units, i've had a few X5650s and they average around 4.4GHz just fine, i absolutely love this platform, my X99 5960X rig shit the bed so im putting together an older X58 rig so i don't have to worry about the super expensive CPUs that the X99 platform needs, £20 for an X5650 to clock the snot out of one weekend or put under LN2 using an X58A-OC that i got for cheap, now, the problem really isn't the CPUs either way, the topper end boards are normally expensive unless there's something wrong with them, and this is also precisely why i was able to get an X58A-OC (THE best X58 board made, better than even the rampage 3 extreme/black edition) is because it had a few pins bent and needs bending back, but this is a small task for someone like me, not so much for some that are just getting into it perhaps, with that being said, if you can get a decent board cheap (decent being near enough anything from a good name) and you can whack a nice 95w CPU in it, ideally an X5675 you're golden, im currently using a HP Z600 with a pair of X5670s and i'll be splitting that off into two separate X58 PCs, one little one using a rampage 2 gene (which i got for swaps) to go at the other halves so i can game while im there still and then my big rig using the X58A-OC, though the ram you used here, that ECC stuff form the trash can mac pro is good stuff, i've got 24gb of the stuff on the way for the X58A-OC though im in two minds as to whether or not to split up the ram between the little rig and the big one or just chuck it all in the big one, though i do have 12gb of 1066MHz DDR3 ECC sat about i can throw into the rampage 2 gene so i could go either way, all in all should be a nice rig :P but they do need a bit of an overclock to be doable nowadays, though of course since im running the Z600 im running stock at the moment, it handles things fine but you can tell it struggles at points

[@addisengaudette1602]

My favorite board I own is my EVGA x58 sli board and I love it, it out performs my amd system and I was lucky to not purchase it, but found it in a frat house I was renovating.

[@elikirkwood4580]

the x58 system would perform significantly better if it had triple channel memory and had the cpu and ram overclocked. the x5675 can be overclocked to 4.5ghz and possibly higher

[@ShortHandedNow]

Lower end Westmere and Nehalem Xeons are perfect media/file servers still :). I have a Dell t7500 workstation serving as a kickass server right now!

[@covalentspace1889]

They drink a lot of power, but I agree!

[@MarkJYule]

That is I great point tbh and one that rarely gets a mention. Total power draw is definitely a drawback compared to the new tech.

[@warp-co-il]

Ah, I got one quite a while ago, still use it day in day out. It has the stock E5520 processors and it runs games just fine at 1080p (max settings). I got a pair of X5690s at 60eur each just awaiting the arrival of my cooler from the USA, very hard to get hold of. It's going to kick a**e. Yes the power requirements are huge, but it's really nice to have a fast performing system that can get the job done (differing tasks). As for the crashing issues Craft Computing is experiencing, not sure what that's about. T7500 has never crashed (yet).

[@Bareego]

Would have been nice to include the not overclocked values of the Ryzen 5 as well, not everyone is into overclocking and I guess the difference wouldn't have been that big. Also you don't mention that the min frames were sometimes better on the Xeon, which for some people is more important than max framerate. I also wouldn't recommend these Chinese boards, but rather check locally for retired servers with Xeons going for dirt cheap, many of them have oodles of memory.

[@charliebrownau]

Would of been nice if you also tested an RX 460/560 and GTX1050 as these would be the paired cheap option for a cheap X58 build , not a card that is AUD$850-1150 dollars

[@geniusaur]

X58 is really only decent when you get that single core performance up with an oc then it would likely be on par or slightly better than the Ryzen chip

[@jakegarrett8109]

Yeah, you got that CPU up past 5.4 Ghz have you? Cinebench was showing 164 vs 112 on single thread (so that would be 3.7 Ghz). 164/112*3.7=5.42 Ghz If you're doing that, how much power is that taking? I don't think my sub-zero phase change cooler could handle that (-58c idle, -35c at 200-240w load). Good luck with that... You'll probably need either duel stage fans on the VRM (that's how I pull 300+w on a $40 AM3+ micro ATX board with FX with an AIO fan at 4,100 rpm ducted to VRM with 2x 40mm fans as idle stage). But you're going to need 5.5 Ghz to just beat the Ryzen in single core performance, that's not something you can do with even the 8700k unless you have sub-zero with extreme voltages. Keep dreaming (or send me a chip and board capable, and I'll see if I can make it happen with my HX1200i platinum PSU, I can run duel PSU as well).

[@Oleg-oe1rc]

Jake Garrett The X58 Xeons a famous for +50% overclock gains even on basic air cooling. I've been runing my $20 hex-core X5650 @ 4.5Ghz on air cooling from the base 2.66GHz for over half a decade 24/7 without a single issue. These things can get some insane gains if you know what you're doing, especially the W36xx series chips, which is why they are so popular and why just a few years ago used motherboards were selling for over double their original nib retail price. valid.x86.fr/top-cpu/496e74656c2852292058656f6e285229204350552020202020202020202020573336383020204020332e333347487a

[@KRKATANAKID]

Running an X5680 at 4.73 on an NH-D15. (World record for air cooling according to hwbot) Temps stay completely reasonable as well. Also You're going to need to look at multicore after the overclock, not everyone wants to JUST game on their computer. Those extra 4 threads come in quite handy. Also on hwbot there are plenty X58 based Xeons breaking 6GHz.

[@Oleg-oe1rc]

KRKATANAKID Even in gaming, having those extra threads to take the load off of the threads the game is using makes a big difference. Background processes like antivirus, discord, steam, recording software, voicemeeter, etc can really put a lot of strain on the system, especially if you're already pushing your system to the limit. Can make the difference between having occational stutters or frame rate drops just from trying to talk to your friends on discord vs maintaing a constant framerate even with 20+ active programs running in the background.

[@blazingmatty123]

that's really not how cinebench works, it doesn't scale quite how your maths is showing it to, when you overclock X58 you boost up the uncore too which helps with memory access times, and that makes quite a big difference to single core on cinebench, keep that in mind, so a mild overclock of 4.4 puts your single core up in the 160 range also if you need fans for 300w of power out of a vrm then it's probably a shitty vrm to begin with, the 6 phase on my previous system before i managed to kill my 5960X benching at 4.8GHz was able to pull 500W with just ambient cooling and no direct airflow, just incidental airflow from the case itself, i've run 8320's at 5GHz before and needed active cooling, but that was a 4+1 phase so that makes sense, never needed it for anything beefier than that, but no, you're not going to need 5.5GHz to beat ryzen, 4.7GHz would be enough, and that's not only perfectly coolable with an aio or a beefy air cooler, but also will only use around 300-350w out of the vrm, as someone who has run alllll sorts of chips under LN2 for benching (not the 5960X, that died before i got chance to get her under LN2) you, first off, wouldn't need 2 1200W psus, i managed fine with a 4.9GHz 3960X at 1.45v (though did bench at 5.1GHz 1.5v) and 3 titan X maxwell cards on a single 1300w evga psu, you seem very misguided all in all, you make allot of claims and don't seem to understand very much of what's happening here or even taking into account that it's just the core that's doing the performing here, you misjudge how much power something will need and so on and so forth, before you start making claims and throwing numbers around, please learn what you're actually talking about

[@BrookZerihun]

Great video, would love to get a x79 for my retired 4930K, have not found any smaller boards only MATX no Mini ITX

[@benjihutch24]

If you can't overclock that board your better of getting an OEM system like a Dell or HP. I got my Dell T3500 for only £70 for the whole system. Then I upgraded it over time rather than having to build something from scratch straight away! If you've got a gtx1080 I'd avoid X58 but if your on a budget and want to use something like a GtX 1060 there a lot more reasonable. And if you get an OEM system they normally have at least a 6pin PCI express power connector so you can power budget and midrange cards without upgrading the PSU. Worth considering if your on a budget

[@albertabdul-barrwang9436]

I still use x58 systems for photo/video editing and no issues so far even using a RX 580 or RX 560 with it :)

[@angelgariaparra8452]

Nice review ,those boards have been around for a couple of years when my my Asus p6t died I was looking at these boards and dismissed them I ended up getting an oem x58 from Dell ,a t3500 I believe for like 32 dollars on eBay ,however I did have to rig the I/O to get it to turn on ,anyway GREAT REVIEW!!

[@AJDOLDCHANNELARCHIVE]

X58 with Xeon x5675 all the way... tiding me over till I build a new system in a year or so with something like the i9900k.

[@katohoachumi8024]

To everyone who thinks the x58 is dead check out techyescity's video comparison between x58 Xeon vs i7 8700k. Oc and triple channel memory are the best things about the x58 and if you don't buy a better board to use these features there's no point buying one.

[@seylaw]

Running a X5650 here at 4 Ghz on an Asus P6TDeluxe V2. Yes, it's not the greatest and latest concerning power efficiency or I/O and the ICH10R doesn't RAID that well with the newest Intel RST drivers which causes more trouble with the latest Windows 10 RS4 and RS5 Insider Previews, but overall it is still a viable gaming platform. Which other platform aged that well?! I can't think of any.

[@dylandajhharwood5566]

x58 is relevant if you can overclock. x79 Motherboards are simply better for non-overclocking as you can get 10 core chips now, although at low core speed.

[@SerjStar]

Hey better production quality good job I can see and feel the improvement nice !

[@charliebrownau]

Considering the 2400g is OVER AUD$200 and you can get an X58 combo off Aliexpress for AUD$250 then the X58 is the better choice

[@themageduck]

Honestly, you spent way too much on that CPU, sort of defeats the purpose of the budget friendly X58 system. Also, the W3690 is pretty much the exact same thing, but comes with a fully unlocked multiplier, for the same price, or cheaper. The budget on this doesn't really make any sense, but I guess it's sort of justified for review purposes. For anyone looking to get on this platform, if you're patient on e-bay, you can scoop one up for $80-$120, but I'd advise looking at your local deals. I've picked up two reputable boards, one for $27 and another for $35.

[@jakegarrett8109]

That would be slightly cheaper, with Ryzen at $170 and $50-$60 for a new overclockable board. The only deal killer for Ryzen is RAM pricing, which might make x58 seem ok (though it won't match the single thread of Ryzen).

[@todlertickler2832]

Does this board work with the Xeon 5680

[@Sahroni-by4zv]

What x58 chipset motherboard can overclock?

[@JamLightman]

Asus Sabertooth X58

[@Lobstersarefabulouz]

Hey dude :D Any news on the threadripper build? would love to see it :D

[@CraftComputing]

Swiftech was supposed to be sending me a CPU block to review. 4 months later, and I still don't have it. I'm using the system, but all of the water cooling bits are just sitting on the shelf. Trust me, as soon as I get the block, there will be an update video the following week :-)