CHM Revolutionaries: Theranos Founder & CEO Elizabeth Holmes in Conversation with Michael Krasny

[@dominiuskrain7305]

Elizabeth, is water wet? "Well, you have to understand this question within context of the nature of what water truly is and what it is that we are trying to achieve. When I started this company, I analyzed in detail why people need water and the best way we can use this resource to deliver it to the people who really need it." "

[@musestudio7075]

😂👌

[@dare-er7sw]

🤣

[@viewerabundzu6887]

😂

[@drklynoonrides6674]

This is amazing in retrospect. Seeing how he feeds her ego and story. Beautiful, he just keeps stroking again and again. She doesn't have to convince anyone of anything he is doing it all for her.

[@phyllisfoster6589]

Michael must feel like a complete idiot given the turn of events and Elizabeth Holmes' big fraud trial starting August 31, 2021.

[@stellaofthelake3451]

YES

[@stellaofthelake3451]

the world made her out to be like a GENIUS but she's a fraud.

[@phyllisfoster6589]

@Ramón Jurado Borrero The news media saw her as an innovative, young ultra smart Silicon Valley super star based on a narrative that they were fed by Super rich Silicon Valley investors and of course her own narcissistic bs. In other words, the media just ran with what they were given. It happens...it wasn't fake! Fake would mean that the media deliberately invented a story. Elizabeth Holmes was a smooth and gifted con artist, and the people who advocated for her and championed this fantastical story were conned as well.

[@seapod]

@Ramón Jurado Borrero don't forget all the hash tag movements preventing us from questioning women popping up around this time. #metoo

[@ZetaCancri]

"I get the sense money isn't important to you" oh you sweet summer child

[@priscillaarredondo9680]

She should have majored in theater.

[@spikeitfool1]

No need. She's a natural.

[@chxwv]

Most actors are sociopaths as they pretend to be something they are not, that’s like combining vocation with avocation

[@grandmastergyorogyoro532]

With a minor in politics

[@nikkijay5779]

Good one. Lol

[@phyllisfoster6589]

Looks as though she didn't have to!

[@luisdeleon9819]

A chemical engineer after two semesters? The interviewer is on Kool Aid.

[@phyllisfoster6589]

Or worse!!

[@stellaofthelake3451]

looool

[@seapod]

The world was on kool-aid. No one was out there calling her out. Only now in hindsight people pretend to have known. And if they did know and didn't report it, they're complicit.

[@Estefaniac19]

yes!!! i was like dude!!! she dropped out what are you talking about?!?!

[@LV-tx7rx]

@@seapod Many people called her out, but this was also around the peak of the metoo movement, so questioning a woman was seen as evil, despicable and discriminatory. Almost no traditional VC invested in this, it was well known in Silicon Valley that she was lying, she had no credibility in the true tech circles in Silicon Valley, that is why she got most of her financing either through private investors (Wealthy old white guys) or Safeway and Walgreens. But every time someone called her out that person was called evil, despicable, etc.

[@donnaflynn8064]

Her parents were affluent, they didn't have to sacrifice to send her Stanford or investing in her company. The family's connections also helped her.

[@mjowsey]

Her dad was a bigwig (VP) with ENRON

[@jcarc5701]

Her only problem is she went into medicine instead of real estate. There’s only so much bs you can shovel before you actually have to come up with a product.

[@ErnieKings27]

Actually all this people wanted to believe and invest in her because it made them feel like someone like them could actually be the next successful major inventor at such a young age and coming from such a good family.

[@ErnieKings27]

@@jcarc5701 oh no she didn’t want to just make a few thousand dollars she wanted to be a billionaire no matter what plus be the next Steve Jobs

[@jcarc5701]

@@ErnieKings27 So?

[@MetalAnimeGames]

Interesting to watch this video now, after the company's fall from grace

[@humbughumbughumbug]

Savvas Voulgaris You spelled "Deliciously hilarious" incorrectly.

[@zararoyce319]

Savvas Voulgaris Yeah definitely, and you can tell that the voice is bogus especially notice how awkward it is whenever she goes to laugh because it’s very very hard to keep a bogus voice through laughing and you can tell when she laughs the voice becomes a lot higher but she’s trying very hard to cover that of course so the result is just this really awkward laugh that doesn’t sound natural at all

[@elpatron7916]

Savvas Voulgaris you exposed as a fraud?

[@krisr5497]

Very brave that this video is still available - it`s definitely an enlightening piece of history

[@anthonycaruso3688]

Why is it “brave” that it is still on ?

[@taylorleanne4758]

@@anthonycaruso3688 because most pages would delete this because this whole conversation proves they bought into the hype and the fraud, built her up with no real data to back up her claims. They were sooo wrong about her and they didn't cover their tracks and delete it.

[@LV-tx7rx]

@@taylorleanne4758 I dont think it is brave, brave would be to add at the beginning of the video the same two guys condemning their lies and apologizing for not doing their journalistic job and really validating that what she was saying was true.

[@richardgibson1872]

as long as she's not in jail. this video will generated ADs for them. they will not delete this until then

[@malibustacy3606]

Didn't she appear on the Girls Gone Wild video tape series.

[@kausik1139]

comparing traditional lab tests to torture is extremely wrong as people donate blood to blood banks where a pint of blood taken with iv needles from vplunteers of donors if people stop donating blood for fear of needles then blood banks can not function.

[@MsFlamingFlamer]

kausik I agree. This woman is a fraud and a liar

[@yengsabio5315]

And being pricked with IV needles isn't that painful. I hate being injected (i.e., poked) with needles. I really do! But is it really frightening? Initially, maybe. But definitely not always! It's a personal joy for me to have given some of my blood to someone that humbly asked it at that time when it was terribly needed. So true, it is not torture at all! And to paint it as such is a demonstration of blatant ignorance on how it is actually done!

[@banjo2019]

Bring stabbed on a fingertip isn’t exactly a walk in the park either. I prefer the needle.

[@elaineagvent5513]

Great point 👍

[@lukes7027]

It’s really amazing how a person can sit so closely to an interviewer and in front of a live audience and give insight into her successes, her dreams and ambitions and it’s all just make believe! How she can weave this tale of helping people and doing good in the world when it’s all just a big lie! How she goes on interview after interview year after year, accepting all kinds of awards for her successes from a myriad of organizations when absolutely nothing she says is true! Unbelievable!

[@Andrei-oj1jz]

She maxed out the Charisma, Persuasion, and Deception skills

[@CT-vm4gf]

It really is unbelievable, I would love to know what exactly was going through her mind.

[@seapod]

@@CT-vm4gf I can pretty much guarantee she believed in her mission and product. When it wasn't coming to fruition, she did anything it took to throw more money at the problem in hopes it would fix the issues.

[@ntag411]

Holmes has mastered the art of deception to such a high degree making most criminals jealous.

[@webstercat]

She is every politician from all parties.

[@youreshouldoflearntgrammer8277]

*Monster voice*: "Oh thank you, it's wonderful to be here." 😂😂😂😂

[@flblackbutterfly1]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂😂

[@muckymucks]

Holmes been smoking since the age of 7.

[@crashburn3292]

I only just started getting into what really happened. The first thing I noticed after just a few videos of her speaking, is that she was just like a politician. She would always answer the question that was never asked, parroting the same BS lines: "What a world it would be if we didn't have to say goodbye too soon." "My uncle was sick for a long time and...." And like a politician, she has no problem outright lying to anyone's face, talking about how she turned down money because they weren't investing the "way I wanted them to." LOL She's nuts.

[@FrankGutowski-ls8jt]

She didn’t fool savvy investors. She didn’t fool professionals in the field. She fooled the lay public, AZ legislators, family business type investors, greedy corps like Walgreens and Safeway, and old fart board members, whom she wined and dined and made feel special.

[@jules8029]

She would have made a great politician.

[@ErnieKings27]

Like a Psychopath, not all psychos are politicians but some politicians might have narcissistic and psychopathic tendencies.

[@justicenlibertyhappiness638]

So many great liars like Obama, that can look you right in the eye and bold face lie.

[@crashburn3292]

​@@justicenlibertyhappiness638 - I'm really sorry your massive Red Wave failed, and the most prolific political liar EVER, Donald Trump is on his last political legs as everyone he backed in the midterms lost, AGAIN, like Carrie Lake tonight, but please, limit your BS politics to political sites and leave us alone. ja

[@pankaj3746]

Dropping out from the college doesn't really work in medical line. One should have extremely deep understanding of the field to even start working let alone creating a company from scratch!

[@FrankGutowski-ls8jt]

Will Fin Well, they did at least manage to get a few tests running...

[@captainpawpawchannel]

Even medical doctors withe years of studies are crooks and don't know anything

[@waynekaminski5438]

@Will Fin I think the vast majority lasted only 6-9 months, long enough to figure out that Theranos was not right. Holmes and Balwani viewed all employees as replaceable. There was high turnover. Balwani brought in many Indian PhDs into key roles, knowing that their visas (and stay in the country) were dependent on staying employed at Theranos. These employees had to stay loyal, and not question anything for fear of losing their jobs and their work visas (and going back to India). They became Balwani's indentured servants! Balwani didn't care as long as he got absolute loyalty and squeezed every last drop of work out of these unfortunate people that fell into Balwani's net.

[@AlphaBravoCharlie777]

It could have worked if one of her engineers could make it work.

[@luisdeleon9819]

Can't finish watching this. The interviewer is swimming in her soup.

[@thomashenderson9004]

When No evidence of wrongful deeds are shown ( remember most of us initial intents are emotional) we gravitate to visionaries

[@ntag411]

The interviewer is now drowning in the soup.

[@fartdonkey8290]

What a nice young man

[@beautifulwaterfall222]

lol

[@wonderwoman3138]

LOL

[@GigiKohlerVEVO]

Lol

[@flblackbutterfly1]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@CaptainPlanet007]

Came here for the updated comments!

[@humbughumbughumbug]

Hey maybe if she stayed in and graduated from Stanford, she could have actually engineered a product that works?

[@humbughumbughumbug]

Right! Maybe she would have realized the limits of physics in this realm?

[@humbughumbughumbug]

IvyleagueCutie89 She could have known it wasn't possible if she just... You know... Visited the basement of a hospital and asked the lab techs there what they were doing and how samples were processed.

[@zararoyce319]

humbughumbughumbug I don’t know that that was ever really her goal now I don’t think she set out from day one to commit a 15 year long fraud I think she did have a goal to produce the product in the beginning but I think that the product was just more means to an end I think she like the idea of the persona that she created hence why she talks with the fake voice wearing the black turtleneck and I think she was a lot more infatuated with the idea of being a female billionaire like Steve Jobs and just the whole fantasy of that more so than any product or any specific companygoal I don’t know that that was ever really her goal now I don’t think she set out from day one to commit a 15 year long fraud I think she did have a goal to produce that product in the beginning but I think that the product was just more means to an end I think she like the idea of the persona that she created hence why she talks with the fake voice wearing the black turtleneck and I think she was a lot more infatuated with the idea of being a female billionaire like Steve Jobs and just the whole fantasy of that more so than any product or any specific company goal 

[@humbughumbughumbug]

zahra shah I think the fact that she started off by trying to look like her idol was really creepy. And her voice thing and all these manipulative plays she did to try to maximize her appearance of legitimacy... Should have set off red flags in most people's minds. Heck, I can guarantee you that men that have experienced the horrors of borderline personality disorder would have spotted her fraud ten miles away and ten years ahead of this talk.

[@zararoyce319]

humbughumbughumbug yeah that’s true, I’ve also listen to some other interviews and I noticed that it times you can actually discern her voice is higher and lower sometimes she didn’t go as deep into the baritone and then other times it’s like super super deep

[@gustavderkits8433]

Should have a preamble, considering the events of June 2018, but not be removed. We are seeing how human beings can be fooled by presentation. Please don’t remove it. It is a lesson.

[@svonkarmo433]

Her bombastic words are: "In every glass ceilings there is always an iron woman to break it through." What a crock!

[@FrankGutowski-ls8jt]

What audiences wanted to hear.

[@TheBandit7613]

@@FrankGutowski-ls8jt They were desperate for a woman superhero. Too bad she couldn't really fly.

[@minimyognon]

15:47 "When I first started raising money the question that was often asked when I walked in the room was what's my exit strategy, and I'm sitting there kind of thinking about my entry strategy" She wasn't joking when she said that.

[@SocialScienceSchool]

Till Yesterday I did not know about this lady, I was googling the biggest liers in history and here we go I found this master piece.

[@jonahansen]

It did indeed change a number of lives. And taught a lot of people how gullible they really are.

[@ethanqt]

Fraud is not revolutionary. Use your words carefully.

[@yengsabio5315]

I think the interviewer knows nothing really. He's just a person spewing words without giving due emphasis to the definition of the words he's uttering.

[@gfleming5136]

If you listen to several of her talks about her background, and what inspired her, you’ll realize that she’s got a parroted way of speech that she never deviates from. Definitely some mental or personality issues here, but definitely a good wool puller.

[@zararoyce319]

G Fleming I think it’s simply a very well rehearsed story and she doesn’t deviate from it because it’s easier to stay in character when it’s just a rehearsed story especially when she’s doing the fake voice and everything it’s probably actually quite difficult to go through the day like that

[@elpatron7916]

Nailed it

[@alexm3279]

I feel bad for people who commented years ago on this video...

[@michaelpowell7120]

They "Jumped" at the greatness of Non-Gifted horseshit

[@franci.f.]

what about Fortune journalists?

[@meanstreak110]

Alex D You're lying because you don't "feel bad" for them cuz you aren't a good person and if you were, then it's just weird to care that much about an internet stranger so.much. I learned that evil can be hidden really well and thats what this lady did, I think, but I also think that evil is maybe so evil that they kill?? Like this lady did, with the man who had heart attack, she evil am I right yes?

[@wiseguy9202]

I feel bad for the people making hindsight comments as if they were aware she was a fraud. That's worse than the people that bought into her scam. This comment section is filled with hindsight heroes.

[@Joonnyy1000]

@@wiseguy9202 Nah, that just serves them right, people is so quick to jump into bandwagons, the mass kinda instigate it

[@gfleming5136]

“All it takes is a little prick”. [Elizabeth Holmes-greatest inventor who ever lived]

[@RogerBarraud]

She collected a whole lot of rich, old ones.

[@leechristianandrews2257]

@@RogerBarraud Yeah!! Useally an old rich little prick, and not one either!!!

[@ferociousgumby]

It's that freakish way she sits, the ankle crossed over the knee, while holding onto the ankle and hunching forward. This is an extremely self-protective posture that seems significant in retrospect: she has so much to hide!

[@steelcastle5616]

What's really freakish is how many young girls and women she influenced during her con. Many of them actually wearing black turtle necks and slacks wanting to be more like her.

[@TananBaboo]

Steve Jobs sat she same way, I believe.

[@My_Lacrimosa]

It's because she has to lean forward to make it easier to lower the pitch of her voice She also stands with a prominent forward canter

[@Fondrom]

She's a liar but your analysis is far-fetched

[@florencia2771]

The female narcissist at my workplace sits like this.

[@joralemonvirgincreche]

So her parents gave her all their retirement money to start the company - what are they going to retire on? They're probably Uber drivers now.

[@pankaj3746]

Being a compulsive liar, we can assume she lied about this as well!

[@FrankGutowski-ls8jt]

Pankaj Pande Agree. If it sounds good, she’ll say it.

[@khoi83]

His. Father worked for Enron.

[@Mike81139]

She's from a rich family, it's all BS

[@maulikgurjar3661]

No, she raised fund from other world's billionaires. So no problem for her family. Simple!

[@carlosmunar]

The worse is she promoted herself as an engineer when she actually had no clue of how Theranos technology worked.

[@florencia2771]

Her voice, body language and the pause in her speach is all rehearsed carefully. She has done this in front of the mirror many times, practiced all of this. The way she crossed her legs is hilarious. I remember the female bully in my company, she crossed her legs like this.

[@captainpawpawchannel]

Did she cross her legs to mimic her interviewer?

[@ashgascoigne2387]

@@captainpawpawchannel No, she does it as a way to exude masculinity, like her voice. She doesn't want to appear too feminine so as to gain respect as a man would. You'll notice she does this in most, if not all, of her interviews.

[@captainpawpawchannel]

@@ashgascoigne2387 too bad we don't have no record of her real voice ^^ speaking of psychopatic persons, Amber Heard has been a good example these last weeks

[@hegeelise]

He says: "That's very noble and admirable!" Well, that didn't age well!

[@melaniewalker5226]

😂😂

[@timthompson468]

12:20 “You really had the convictions....” Well, soon enough!

[@ShinkuGouki]

I thought the same thing 🤣

[@putasmileonakidsface615]

Hahaaha

[@God.Almighty]

every time she sits down in one of these interviews she fully crosses her legs at first like most women do. then she remembers to act manly and switches to the ankle on knee form.

[@georgeholloway3981]

I think she's an immature fantasist, not a sociopath. It's amazing though that no one really challenged her on the word salad she used to obfuscate what she was (or wasn't) doing.

[@patandderry8416]

Having worked for Silicon Valley and VC companies it is not THAT amazing. I see shitty due-diligence done ALL THE TIME.

[@phyllisfoster6589]

She's a sociopath...by every clinical definition there is. No question.

[@mjowsey]

@@phyllisfoster6589 Sociopath fits perfectly. Nothing but lies with zero regard for people's health

[@captainpawpawchannel]

All elite people are crazy, they were or they become crazy

[@PeteC62]

Hard to watch that indulgent grin Krasny was wearing whenever the camera cut to him while she was talking. Too bad he had only one question about Theranos's secrecy and lack of peer reviewed publications.

[@dubongros3108]

I have to give it to the people she fooled. They are probably embarrassed by all this but no one erased the videos . Still I can't believe all these college graduates introduce her as a 19 year old drop out as if it were a good thing .

[@Estefaniac19]

is not necessarily a bad thing, the thing is what she tried to do with that lack of knowledge and how she was pretending otherwise. oh yeah and the fraud

[@Greekhistoryyy]

​@@Estefaniac19 correcr

[@joy898ful]

It's sad that Theranos was a fraud. Holmes does seem to prove to be a pathological liar. Too many silicon valley entrepreneurs coming out of Stanford should learn more ethics.

[@RogerBarraud]

If they haven't got ethics by the time they get to Stanford, it's probably too late.

[@ahermens]

Amazing how none of the investors did any form of half decent due diligence.

[@FrankGutowski-ls8jt]

The non investors did however.

[@霧裡探花水中望月]

You're talking about doing real work. Investors themselves never do any real work.

[@Skankhunt-qf9eu]

Investors dont like doing shit, thats why they invest.

[@seapod]

Almost no investor does including you if you have a 401k or IRA or any investment. 99.9% of people aren't verifying a product when they move money big or small so let's not pretend they're any different.

[@ahermens]

@@seapod No but lets be brutally honest. At least with a pension your investment is spread acros multiple companies. The big investors are highly concentrated in this company. It looks to me they were motivated by one word. Greed. They believed this company would reward them 3/4 potentially 5 times the multiple of their investment.

[@spikeitfool1]

Did you hear her claim that her mother started dressing her in black turtlenecks when she was seven? Yeah, lady, we believe you. You never even dreamt of aping the look of Steve Jobs.

[@LV-tx7rx]

And there are 0 photos of that, but there are tons of photos of her as a child with dresses.

[@bbbb2538]

Wow, everyone loves her. A lot of praise for her. She's going to great things. Oh wait

[@jbnycyoutub]

Lock her up! Lock her up!

[@DucatiQueen]

Can't wait for THAT movie to come out !

[@ShinkuGouki]

Deep voice 46:50

[@BingBangBye]

@Victoria Bergman Looks as if it's going to be Jennifer Lawrence.

[@northernoutdoorsmandave9067]

Just another older man who loved her blonde hair and blue eyes. The ladies had her figured out.

[@marianamartinez9119]

"I was never told that I couldn't do something or shouldn't do something", maybe her parents should have told her that she shouldn't lie or deceive people.

[@thewkovacs316]

dad was a vp at enron

[@jacqueslavoie6392]

P.S. (2018): It's weird how Zuckerburg dressed as a women to get our blood.

[@AtomicB-zq2cw]

The look on her face when she absorbed the compliment that she speak Mandarin fluently “at some point” (5:08) was priceless.

[@jamesrgoes]

Mathew 7:15 "Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves."

[@KRISTIANITY_]

I'm watching this in parallel with the deposition and the difference in the pretense voice is just painful.

[@bridgetandrade349]

Well this didn’t age well

[@Ulujmf]

hahah we know now all this fuzz about just a big scam

[@kiran-thetributechannel]

How can you predict the future?

[@steelcastle5616]

I really liked Liz doing her con. I can't wait till her episode of "American Greed" comes out.

[@1000scarr]

The vision was good (making clinical testing services & results available to anyone at a fraction of the cost whenever they want it), but the implementation and understanding of clinical lab science and possibility of realizing the vision was horrible and ultimately fraudulent. What amazed me, among other things, was she never engaged the clinical lab science community until it was way, way too late. And I'm guessing the reason for that is she would have been told by experts there's no way the approach could work, at least not for years and years and years. And therefore she wouldn't have been able to raise a billion dollars. Science relies on peer review. She hid everything because I'm guessing she knew peer reviewers would've panned her work. Also, her board had no experience with science! That's appalling! The summer after my junior year at Stanford, I worked in a research lab at the VA hospital in Palo Alto. I remember going to my first few lab meetings where data was discussed. I could make observations and articulate suggestions, but I had no expertise in the area of research and I knew that. The first manuscript I "wrote" was amateurish and my supervisor had to re-write the whole thing. I feel like Elizabeth is like a 5 year old drawing the picture of a house vs a trained architect drawing plans for an actual house. The two are miles apart! She has vision and more vision and more overarching views and goals, but I really don't think she understands lab science, which is the core of her work. "Nanotainer" is marketing...there's nothing nano-ish about her lab tests. I'm sure she's smart...she spoke Mandarin fluently, she read literature at a young age, etc etc. And she was driven. But she is super naive. And mixing this naivety with these other characteristics was a disaster. Forget the investors (they should have known better), the most egregious aspect of this whole thing is rolling out these tests through Walgreens to actual people who were relying on the results. That is so wrong and so unethical. That should never have happened. I also wonder if some blame resides with her Stanford professors and advocates. She seemed to have been seen as a superstar and encouraged to start her own company by them. It would have been much better for her to stay at Stanford, actually learn about clinical science, and mature a little bit as a person. Read John Carreyrou's book! Kuddos to Tyler Schultz too! He graduated from Stanford and had better training than Elizabeth IMHO!

[@glampreda3803]

I completely agree with everything you stated especially the part about her investors versus lying to patients. It's one thing for a group of intelligent people to fail on their due diligence, that's on them but healthcare industry and patients trust her and she lied and compromised them and that's heinous, insideous and criminal.

[@glampreda3803]

Actually I'd add that Walgreens failed patients too because they did send someone to "kick the tires" on what Theranos was proposing but the fired h because Theranos didn't like that he was asking tough questions about their claims and they asked Walgreens to not have him return. So in a way I think Walgreens got off scot free too.

[@1000scarr]

@@glampreda3803 good point! There's a lot of blame to go around. One person who was totally on to her was Phyllis Gardner who is a Stanford Medical School Professor. Elizabeth met with Phyllis at some point to share her "brilliant" ideas, and Phyllis, who knows about clinical chemistry and science, said, "no way"! She was one of the only voices of reason and logic and science-based thinking. And Phyllis wasn't afraid to call the ideas ridiculous. I wish more people had listened to her!

[@florencia2771]

Absolutely, she speaks about the VISION, which sounds interesting, however there is no talk about how this machine works. And shame on Walgreens for putting a product out there that wasn’t tested enough/peer reviewed, and proven to work. I suspect her parents didn’t set limits to her when she was a child, so she thinks “ she can get any doll she wants” ( nowadays with a male voice and body language 🤦🏼‍♀️)

[@TheBeautyScientist]

If this actually worked. People like me who work as laboratory Scientists will lose jobs. But i find this really impossible because detecting proteins, viruses etc has each different principles. Machines are there to help us but at the end of the day our job is to make sure we release accurate results out of these machines performing the lab tests.

[@redmed10]

It's videos like this that fed the myths about her. Not a single searching question. We are all impressed by successful people and her main success was raising the money for her company. Love how she can say she turned down money in some instances when in reality they turned her down because they realised she was full of it.

[@katelewis536]

I’m amazed people were sold on her. She is extremely boring. Utterly banal speak. Which tells you it’s BS.

[@redmed10]

@@katelewis536 You don't have to fool all the people all the time. Some people some of the time will do. It happens all the time in business which is all smoke and mirrors most of the time. Most of the people who backed her were old. Very old people with humongous bank accounts.

[@katelewis536]

Well I also wonder if she was a practise run for what the WEF would like to convince people they are able to do.

[@markw.spradley2845]

Microfluidic, lab-on-a-chip technology will one day disrupt the current generation of blood analyzers, but Theranos’ patents show no such innovation. Theranos is backed by for-profit healthcare organizations who only want to use it to change laws--as tit did in Arizona--which will make blood testing more profitable. In the 1970s, labs were lucrative and supported hospitals, but DRGs made them a financial liability. A relevant example is Theranos board-of-directors member Bill Frist’s Hospital Corporation of America. It paid the largest fraud settlement in US history in 2002 for over billing Medicare for lab tests. But if clinical laboratories could advertise all their screening tests on television, they could instill the fear of multiple diseases in viewers who would--under new laws trumpeting patient empowerment--be able to bypass physicians and insurance to order their own tests and pay cash. Lab profits could match the profits of pharmaceutical companies. The hot-blond, female-Steve-Jobs-clone who is CEO of Theranos and its top-secret new technology were fabricated for the single purpose of changing laws to make blood testing more profitable. This just when big data has revealed that the number needed to test is far too large to make any screening tests worth the price. Never trust anyone who is afraid of needles.

[@TheCandisr]

Thank you for some real background information on this scam and what was really going on! As always, it's the money, but in the 21st Century the follow the money plot is always much deeper than it appears. Sad, at 19, what would she know about being a pawn on such a huge chess board? But she was the kind of pawn that could take a lot of hits for the usual suspects. Useful idiot?

[@waynekaminski5438]

The very fact that capillary blood (the fingerpricked kind) is very different than venous blood (blood extracted from a vein) and arterial blood (blood extracted from an artery) makes the microfluidic basis a sham. The fact is that squeezing out capillary blood from a finger often contaminates that tiny blood sample by bursting blood cells as well as adding skin cells to the sample. These facts make it impoosible to get accurate analysis from capillary blood compared to that routinely made from venous or arterial blood samples ran on current FDA approved analyzers. What did Theranos end up using to provide blood analysis? They used the same FDA approved technology employed by the Quest's of the world, but then claimed those results were from the Theranos proprietary secret analyzer (a complete lie). The even more damning lie was that Theranos hacked those FDA approved blood analyzers in a way that tried to stretch beyond certified boundaries, which immediately invalidated any results coming out of these hacked machines. This fraud was finally caught by an FDA surprise inspection of the Theranos CLIA licensed lab. That inspection found multiple violations of the license and the Theranos lab was then shut down, with Theranos crashing to oblivion after no longer having ability to analyze any type of blood sample. Theranos was a house of cards built on greed, deceit, paranoia and narricism. Fraudulent to the core.

[@lynskyrd]

@@TheCandisr wait... you're essentially calling Elizabeth Holmes a 'pawn / victim' , Ah- the pawns were the kids that came to work at Theranos thinking they were part of a revolutionary product that could enrich and save lives... ala- make a difference. The true victims were the innocent patients that depended and relied on the accuracy and legitimacy of these blood tests that in turn, led to a false medical treatment path. I don't care about the investors so much, they didn't do their homework- they didn't listen to the Phyillis Gardners and others that KNEW Elizabeth was a fraud. EVERY interview she did, she never once brought the device with her to demonstrate... and nobody asked why. ??

[@jackrosess]

her voice sounds deeper than ever in this video

[@omygod9062]

She’s mirroring his body posture....she’s now working in disaster relief that’s for sure. Her own.

[@krsamysmith1]

What a Joke ! "you are compared to Steve Jobs but a softer version" ... she was freakin a terror to her employees spying on them and worse than Steve !! NO COMPARISON. she could very well have been his maid at best.

[@lukestevens4374]

These videos should be left up as a historical record of how someone can deceive so many on a grand scale

[@tomchang1647]

The black turtleneck wardrobe since she was 7 is another lie! In the book Bad Blood, Anna Areola (apple designer) stated that Holmes very was curious about Job’s attire, and explained to her that he was inspired by Sony’s heritage of having Issey Miyake create a lot of the (Sony) line manager apparel. Holmes didn't start with the black ensemble until after she started Theranos.

[@langtoun8235]

Even then she was frequently seen in a more traditional woman’s business blouse.

[@gregoryreese7686]

That's deepest voice used in any of the interviews I've heard.Too bad she didn't work in disaster relief instead she caused one.

[@ultravioletreeper7630]

I think her terrible makeup might fall into disaster relief category too.

[@yengsabio5315]

Yes! Too different from the interviews made by Fortune & Vanity Fair. In this one, Ms. Holmes' tone is way lower.

[@standlegweak9854]

I wonder if he still "trusts his instincts" LOL

[@fuertefarmer5583]

One word she’s the definition of a doll that makes sound. She actually cannot answer questions because she doesn’t know the answer. That’s why she is picking word by word which doesn’t make sense at all.

[@luisdeleon9819]

It's weird watching this now. Interviewing a snake oil salesman would be more entertaining.

[@JS-ih9nb]

Sometimes I watch these for a laugh

[@michaelfuchs1467]

Elizabeth ran Theranos according to the "fake it til you make it" -protocol while Ramesh Balwani ran the same company according to the "f*ck make it, just fake it" -protocol.

[@kuribojim3916]

I’m a bit surprised this hasn’t been deleted.

[@valp9972]

Much ado about nothing. Amazing how a conversation about nothing can go on and on and on and on.

[@cor-z8m]

DaVinci didn’t have this type of support and his work mattered and still matters! Can’t believe how this could ever have happened!

[@helpinghandsolutions8665]

I think that Holmes is really smart, and she was really good at reading people within her own social awkwardness. I think that her end game could have played out beautifully, but Ego and the need for recognition is a Hella of a thing.

[@SkyelarEagle]

It was a drug she perfer blind loyalty over expertise at her company

[@helpinghandsolutions8665]

I think what we both said is on the same lines!

[@markg.7865]

I just can't get enough of her voice.

[@socksumi]

“And thus I clothe my naked villainy With odd old ends stol'n out of holy writ; And seem a saint, when most I play the devil.” ~ Willaim Shakespeare

[@powerifly]

So the message is drop out of colleges... in order to be businessmen and businesswomen. To no matter how excited I am about making a business that seems... arrogant. Sceptic.

[@Grunge_Cycling]

She's a scientist and inventor first and foremost.

[@Grunge_Cycling]

Cliff Yablonski sure

[@erin51500]

You're ridiculous if you think she implied to drop out of college to become a business woman/man. It's a whole different concept.

[@ericsnyder6837]

She is?

[@mickboisjoli2808]

The message is "you can lie your way to the top".

[@pauljackson2409]

Her trial starts next month.The wheels of justice grind slowly.

[@PattyCakesahoy]

amazing that this woman was able to defraud millions of dollars from investors. She caters to the emotions and uses very broad language to appeal to people's emotions rather than using objective and scientifice evidence to support theranos she spends the majority circumventing the questions, and she got away with it for years!!

[@renae0007]

Elizabeth prayed on old powerful white men that were so happy just to have her show them some attention to the point they were willing to pay for it. The real victims, in this case, wasn't the greedy rich investors- they had the responsibility of due diligence- but it was the patients that were tested and got wrong or upsetting information. Here lies the real problem and if they acted on that information even worst. Notice how the board was not made up of any young talented people. Everyone on the board was old and had already made their mark in life. Maybe excluding the Apple Execs. who immediately saw the red flags.

[@FrankGutowski-ls8jt]

Her board was composed of a bunch of old friends from Hoover Institute at Stanford. Window dressing, another marketing gimmick, nothing more. She didn’t have to do anything they suggested because she controlled 99+% of the voting shares.

[@Piotr.Wysocki]

Fascinating interview, that with hindsight exposes the hypocrisy and grandiose narcissism that prevails in the tech industry.

[@thomascasey8171]

So true

[@mefirst5427]

When she said she was still trying to figure out her "entry strategy" I wonder if it was slip of tongue or a clever tactic to see if anyone realizes what she's really doing

[@karimmoorad4128]

If one person can fool the world,what about the more powerful media? Definitely a good idea to keep our eyes open all the time.

[@captainpawpawchannel]

All powerful people are crazy, manipulative and liars

[@juuliq6]

13:06 "sometimes I wonder if I'm kind of frozen in time from those days..." WOW, this is actually quite profound! I've been thinking about this myself, I wonder if she's still frozen in time from the time of her early childhood, since she definitely has a very child-like, naive aspect to her personality... maybe a core trauma took place there (and possibly the SA) that would explain a lot of what we came to see in later years. In some ways she has been very consistent in her psyche

[@LV-tx7rx]

When she was 8-9 she said she wanted to be a billionaire, and that is the mentality that she had during this entire fraud, she only wanted to be a billionaire. So she kept that childish mentality up until now.

[@jordansmithchannel]

She has been open about having been raped while in Stanford. Maybe that is sort of what she was referring to. Definitely some deep trauma had affected her.

[@sjay3089]

Profound. Considering she did survive rape in her days at Stanford

[@borisdorofeev5602]

Thank you for leaving this up

[@paulashton5477]

“The mission of Silicon Valley is to obsolete ourselves”……Well Elizabeth, you’ve certainly accomplished that.

[@thomascasey8171]

Good one!!!

[@jkfns0w]

A truly fascinating case of pathological delusion - to believe, no matter the consequences or proof of doubt, that one's vision will change the world for the better, all the while enjoying the spoils of fame.

[@omygod9062]

Opening song should be that man singing I was born under a wandering star in his really low voice

[@GH-oi2jf]

This was only about a year before her company was exposed.

[@godsgifttotheinternet4538]

This is beyond embarrassing, she slaps the prefix nano on a product and now he's claiming that she applied nanotechnology in her con game, and he blindly praising her for inventing a simplified blood test which never existed. He then goes on to praise her for conning a handful of influential old men who know absolutely nothing about technology or medicine and are well beyond their prime with her charm.

[@FrankGutowski-ls8jt]

This is a great example of the kind of softball interviewing style that elevated her celebrity status during her glory days. He does nothing but feed her entrees to her main course taking points.

[@florencia2771]

This happens because in USA people are under the Dunning Kruger effect.

[@waynekaminski5438]

Krasny's reputation took a big hit. Everything and everyone that came close to Holmes paid the price. Sold snake oil and slimeballed everyone in contact.

[@TheWeirdBloke]

The way she and her lawyers treated employees was disgraceful.

[@josemariass]

She is a great actress...go to Hollywood

[@jungleno.]

Or politics

[@ericsnyder6837]

when she adds "right?' to some statements, you think that's a verbal tic or a conscious technique?

[@wonderwoman3138]

I think it's mind control. LOL

[@E-Kat]

That's a filler, to acquire more time to think what to say next, as she's making everything up. She has to be very careful so she doesn't reveal something exposing her lies.

[@maklomite]

Its like hearing the exat same interview over and over so scripted

[@FrankGutowski-ls8jt]

She was strict about her interviewers. No interviews with nosey reporters.

[@florencia2771]

She had rehearsed this a thousand times lol

[@jpcarigma]

When I first heard of Theranos I was skeptical. There was no way of getting broad results from a small amount of blood.

[@frankstein5967]

I saw her college advisor say "I told her it could not be done. She just looked at me."

[@E-Kat]

Yes, the blood gets all used up!

[@yengsabio5315]

This woman revolutionized fraud & not blood analysis & the medical profession in general! Another note, her voice here is way too different than her other manipulated low tones in the Vanity Fair & Fortune interviews.

[@pleasego11]

Always beware of smooth talkers. There's always one lurking around.

[@E-Kat]

Omg!!! The amount of blood people have to give to have it tested isn't a problem for anyone at all!! It's actually good to us! Why they didn't have any knowledgeable people to interview her? She's telling them fib after fib and everyone is falling for it!!

[@clashroyalemania8400]

Well, seeing this interview, she was really convincing and knew how to deliver a good talk. No wonder so many people fell for it. She is really good in deceptions.The idea was actually not bad at all and I have a feeling that one day some one, an honest and great inventor will really make it come true. Probably not for performing 200 diagnostic but more than few in one machine.

[@tagradefoirfe]

The thing is for a lot of tests you need blood from the vein from the arm and you can't test it from the finger, so i don't think this will ever be possible. (Sorry my mother language is not english but hope you understand what I mean)

[@clashroyalemania8400]

@@tagradefoirfe I’m not a medical expert but technology is growing so rapidly and you never know what it can do 10 years from now

[@blueenergyshowtime]

In a paralleled universe, Theranos is a successful technology.

[@stannis7656]

Dude this is like improv class for her, she probably got off on all of this. Theres no way a sane person wakes up and chooses to do public interviews and just blatantly lie and make up stories like this. Wannabe entrepreneur

[@stevebrown9829]

Wow, a study in mental illness watching this. When she said that they had detected pancreatic cancer (along w/ JHU) in test "17 years" before it developed someone should have yelled B.S.

[@gordengibson1]

Theranos is chronicled in a newly published book, which is set to be turned into a movie starring Jennifer Lawrence.

[@dubongros3108]

How about finding the person who first valued her company at 9 billion ?

[@GH-oi2jf]

The valuation is just based on what investors would pay for a share.

[@AxlWRose-sk4ln]

“Hyping this up doesn’t serve any purpose” 😂