"Choice Feminism" in Kpop

00:00 no more robot voice?
00:24 context
03:09 feminism in pop culture
04:15 empowerment in kpop
10:01 return of the girl boss?
11:09 does it matter?
12:14 final thoughts

[@FIRXFLY]

Surface level feminism isn't misrepresenting the movement, it's just showing a watered down version of it and there's nothing inherently wrong with it. Also, the way feminism is viewed in South Korea is very different from the west and you can't just ignore that. G-idle's songs like tomboy and nxde doing so well in a country which is terrified of even the word feminism is great and absolutely a milestone. It would be great to see more depth in music, there's a long way to go but we've come so far and we should acknowledge that. The ones that are exploiting the movement aren't the artists/songwriters, especially not the ones like gidle where they write their own songs, but it's the companies, it's the people behind the scenes whose names we don't know, it's the people giving songs like cookie to a bunch of minors, the people who only care about the profits. Also, making art about sensitive topics is how it's been done forever but it's a thin line between making art of it and aestheticizing it. Art is expression. Aestheticizing is making it fit into a box.

[@enajem]

Like you said, the kpop industry is fixated on aesthetics. We can see this in fan culture too, whether that manifests in people being hyper-obsessed with idols gaining or losing weight/their appearances at any given time, or trying to achieve that image themselves through copying their fashion (fashion chingu anybody?), make-up styles, skincare, etc. Attractiveness in some form is the one common factor across all of kpop, and what makes it worse is that these days with all the pressures presented by social media, it's expected in so many other spaces too. Women already felt that pressure to be beautiful before (or if beautiful wasn't possible, at least "neat" and "presentable" to others in order to be accepted and not ridiculed) but spaces like social media and industries like kpop amplify that to the nth degree. It created the idea that if a woman is not conventionally attractive, she has to "prove" herself in some other way to be accepted in the industry, and even then she is constantly subject to scrutiny by kpop fans who can't see past a certain surface level. I personally really love groups like G-IDLE. I think they do the best they can to express honest thoughts/challenging views in an industry where there is so little room for creative expression or deviation from norms. They can't go completely off the rails though, because kpop is at the end of the day, a business, and they have to be marketable "products" in a sense. I don't think expecting groundbreaking concepts that challenge societal norms on a fundamental level from kpop groups is a wise route to go down--kpop **is** that norm/standard so to do so would be completely going against its own nature. What I do hope results from concepts like G-IDLES, and other allusions to feminism that are becoming more trendy across the industry (because marketing~ haha gotta catch that feminist market too) is that a fan culture that is so rife with misogyny/hyper-focus on appearances might start to become more introspective. My hope is that they would act like a "gateway drug" so to speak which leads fans further from the "ooh pretty" mindset to noticing "oh wait. there's a thought to be had here.". It's very attractive packaging for a very serious topic (*about* said attractive packaging, but still) that might help introduce audiences to feminist ideas in a more "vanilla" way than throwing a bunch of philosophy books at them. And slowly, fan culture might start to change a bit as a result. In my book that's worth the cheapening of the topic because kpop is a space where a little variety of opinion and desire to go deeper is desperately needed--and if the topic isn't cheapened, there's a chance it could be absent completely. TLDR: kpop is aesthetic as hell, but G-IDLE can use that aesthetic to be a "gateway drug" for kpop fans and lead them into adopting a bit of feminist theory/mindset in a space that desperately needs it. these are just my 2 cents but I'm genuinely interested in responses, so feel free to reply and we can have a lil' convo :) (edit for typos)

[@enajem]

Also just in case the creator sees this--I really do prefer the natural voice! I think it helps people feel better connected to your points and also distances you from a whole bunch of other channels that use the same robot voice but have a reputation for being mean-spirited --> (they might criticize/hate on idols with a robot voice and it feels like they hide behind it). I also feel like it's so common in KZbin kpop videos that whenever I find creators who use their actual voices, it's a bit of a pleasant surprise :) edit: (I love your dance content by the way

[@facts_in_fiction]

Thank you so much! I also hope that it can function as a "gateway drug", which is why I find "Nude" for example much more interesting than the Queencard MV, it gives more to think about than the feel good solution to the problem presented in "Allergy". In that sense I would've preferred it if they didn't resolve "Allergy" at all and instead left an open ending about whether she went through with the surgery/what happens next.

[@mhmmhm5995]

Wow! You go so in depth when talking about dancing, but I didn't think it extended to other topics as well! This was interesting to watch and I agree. Kpop just wants to seem feministic (or at least empowering) to lure more fangirls, but they don't go all in so that they still can keep fans against feminism. They want to max their profit by making everyone happy.

[@cottonclouds]

kpop groups like g-idle may not be getting laws passed that are making women's lives materially better but i think their work is still useful in the overall feminist sphere. in a country like south korea, where internet trolls call female celebrities feminists to defame them, i think it's useful that a mainstream group like g-idle is bringing feminist ideas into the public conscience and thus normalizing them. this gives feminist activists the opportunity to build upon those ideas and enact genuine change. though, this is very much my perspective as a westerner looking in from the outside. i'd love to hear from korean feminists, have they felt a difference in the way they are viewed by the general public? if they have, would they say that difference can be traced back to groups like g-idle and the work they put out?

[@sonder8310]

Really like the points you made. I also like that you ditched the robot voice, in order to improve the experience for the viewer/listener, you could cut the audio to make it more fluent, so there's less pauses between your sentences.

[@facts_in_fiction]

Thank you!

[@donardodavinci6126]

Great video! I've been saying for a long time that mental illness shouldn't be used for aesthetics either, nor should any abusive aethetic be used. Few companies (or idols) seem to care about this though. I'm not too sure if Western and East Asian feminism can be compared though. Concepts that may seem outdated in Western media might just be becoming "acceptable" and "popular" in East Asia, I'll use queer representation as an example: The Korean version of The Handmaiden (2016) obviously has the two female lead characters awkwardly posing in an intimate scene for the audience in the end. The general meaning of one character wearing gloves and the intimacy that is created by just taking the gloves off together in a totally "unsexy" context is completely disregarded in order to accommodate the s*x scenes. That's not supportive of homosexuality and feminism since it's objectifying women, but it is still considered a huge step forward in Korean cinema and queer representation. The Western version of The Handmaiden (The Handmaid's Tale, 1990) shows the bond and intimacy between the two female leads without showy s*x scenes (i.e. taking the gloves off). Both movies are directed by male directors and in the end there's arguments to be made for both films. My point is that using "outdated" and maybe even "primitive" representation of any social discourse topic isn't ever okay, but maybe East Asian women don't see them as "outdated" and "primitive" in the society they live in. I definitely don't think that kpop or any Korean form of entertainment is to be recommended for feminist messages, but... babysteps. Western media has been at the same point in time some time ago. I personally like how Twice has been subtly pushing their little message over the last years (an obvious comparison: Likey -> Set Me Free) despite having a male-dominated audience in their Asian core fandom, but I wouldn't call them feminists in my standards. It's just nice to be reminded of them questioning beauty standards, expectations towards women and women's autonomy every once in a while... I just hope they don't forget that they are fortunate too in these discussions.

[@facts_in_fiction]

Also considering An San (the gold medalist archer) was "accused" of being a feminist on some incel forums for her short hair and being a Mamamoo fan certainly shows that there is ridiculous backlash against even these babysteps. On the other hand it seems like more radical forms of feminism are also quite loud in SK, though that is likely a smaller niche

[@donardodavinci6126]

@@facts_in_fiction Yes, I heard about that too! A few years ago (2017/18) Jihyo (sorry, Twice is the only gg I actively follow) got a lot of backlash from male fans and then apologized for allegedly using a "feminist slur" associated with a radical form of feminism during a live stream. I think she was passionately talking about something and then let the term slip, at least that's what I get from the apology. This "radical feminism" is often used by Western fans to apologize obvious misogyny in all forms of Korean entertainment though, "because they just don't know better and have reason to be afraid", which is just sad and a load of bullsh*t really.

[@eternaldandaniexol]

You actually brought out very good points... I too have noticed that when it comes to pop music meaningfulness. It never actually tackles the real problems, but rather just provides us short fixes like bandages, instead of going deep into the wound. It applies to most if not all songs for specifics ever made. I don't think pop-music should ever be that serious, but music is an expression, which leaves me in a conflict. I'm thinking that music is something impulsive, and feminism in music... isn't really as well explained given how the spectrum of ideas aren't even understood well. Another thing that should be adressed well by the world would be "what is feminism" in a single statement. You mentioned how these ideas are more individualistic and not, and I believe that I am one of those who have been individualistic.

[@isabear478]

before watching the thumbnail reminded me of when people called soyeon for i think dieting after queen card came out and that she wasn't practicing what she was preaching but i don't think its her fault theirs always been a money aspect kpop is far from authentic

[@facts_in_fiction]

Yes, I do want to add that I'm talking about the industry in general and even though I'm talking a lot about Soyeon's work, I'm not criticising her/any specific person in particular and I'm still a fan!

[@sayenka6093]

I think there are some Kpop releases that even through a critical lense hold up as feminist. A more recent example being Misamo's "Do not touch". Talks about consent and the importance of establishing intimacy before sex. Other works include: IU's "23" and "Zeze" - IU talks about the simultaneous infantilization and sexualization she experiences. how she can't break free from the way people view her as a little girl (well into her twenties). Zeze touches upon the predatory relationship she has with her large older male fanbase who lusted after her when she was still a minor. Boa's "Girls on Top" - talks about gaining independence, reaching high levels of success that Korean society might find unsuitable for women and that feminine beauty standards don't define what being a woman is about. Yeojin's "Kiss Later" - talks about consent and waiting for the time you are ready to engage in sex. especially important for young listeners. Yunjin's "I = Doll" and "love you twice" - is more about idols issues. but i think it definitely focuses more on female idols. the issue of comparing yourself to others and being worried about "not being the perfect girl" is especially relevant. So, I think it is possible to talk meaningfully about feminist issues in kpop. But most just choose not to be honest and dig deep. It's wrong to uphold an "it is what it is" attitude. Soyeon and other kpop producers and songwriters can do better.

[@xex872]

Gidle-Nxde: A song that talks about women being sexualized by using the most famous example Marylin Monroe and attempts to highlight that she is more than just a sex symbol, but a person who has her own complexities, while also trying to re-contextualize the word 'Nude' and even goes as far as to use the title of the song to try and bock access from pedophiles to search naughty things online. idle means children in Korean and children+nude would yield very bad results online. Gidle-Sculpture: A song that explores a women who is willing to mold herself into any image or Sculpture of the one they are in a relationship with, even if ti hurts them, they are still willing to take the pain just for validation from their lover. (this one is interesting because Minnie came up with the song and it originally was suppose to be a women rejecting to be a sculpture but guess who convinced her to change it into something a bit more interesting? Soyeon suggested that instead of that, let the protagonist seek validation by becoming the sculpture, which is also a Grimm reality that most of us do partake in, the reality that some of us seek validation from others even at our own expense, Soyeon's suggestion turned the song into something even more interesting) Gidle-Oh my god: A song that explores the anxiety but also the desire to pursue a queer relationship in a conservative society. Gidle-Lion: A song that highlights the strong fortitude of women being able to rise to power with will and determination, plus also they use the word Lion not Lioness as they dont believe in the gender restrictions. Gidle-Tomboy: Its neither man nor woman, they use the boyfirend character who is expecting a traditional barbie girlfriend and by rejecting him they thus in-turn reject the gender norms that have been put in place for them Why do you guys refuse to give Gidle credit when 'they do better'? Queencard offering a simple solution does not erase other works they have done which have a more complex approach. Even though the solution to Allergy is simple maybe thats all there is to it, Its still done in an interesting way. If u know a bit about her history then you'll know she has been called ugly back in Produce 101 and the fact that she made the other members into Queencards before she could become the queencard herself lets u know that at some point in her life she use to be somewhat envious of the members too, but her solution was to change her mindset and acquire confidence not only on stage but also in her looks. Honestly speaking I dont know what other answer there is to Allergy, gaining confidence seems like the best first step. Yes its pop feminism, but its not as shallow as u guys make it out to be

[@blueberrysponge42]

I also have a very conflicted feelings toward the empowerment themes in kpop. Even though I admire many idols just for their pure talents, I always hope they can make better use of their music, dance, and storytelling, because those are powerful vessels for meaningful expressions. But kpop is about idolization, about creating idols that attract as many fans as possible. It is clear the companies are not looking for people who can touch people through creating meaningful deep content, because they are debuting younger idols and asking them to dance harder and come back more frequently. I am also conflicted when it comes to my favorite group, XG (even tho they are technically not kpop). I love the girls for their talents, bond, and charisma, but I'm worried that despite their music being about female empowerment, all of their songs are written mostly by men. I am concerned with puppet show being about girl bosses getting to control men and manipulate them, because that is simply becoming the worst of men. I hope it is calling out the mistreatment stemming from misogyny that many women are facing today. If a group wants to become truly influential, and if an idol wants to be an artist worthy of global admiration, I think they need to have meaningful thoughts to share through their music and storytelling. I can think of a couple of meaningful songs by BTS. Maybe that's why they made it so far.

[@catgirlyuri]

i love this so much. you're very well-spoken and as a feminist i think the way you executed this video was exceptional when it comes to critiques of the portrayal of feminist ideals in pop culture/kpop. if you ever decide to create more videos like this in the future i look forward to it - if not, that's okay too! both this and your dance videos are extremely insightful.

[@tabbycat2497]

I really appreciate how thoughtfully you approach your topics. Thank you! (And I enjoyed hearing your voice 😊) Keep up the good work!

[@tibieryo]

Thank you for reading this yourself. The care you took and respect you have for feminism really showed through your effort. Also, that paragraph about capitalism redirecting feminism from being about Global Female Liberation to Individual Female Empowerment has really brought a lot of things into focus for me personally, and made me think deeply about my own media consumption. Thank you for this video. I'll be watching it again and thinking about it after.

[@saneira]

I love having your voice as the narration instead of the TTS!

[@cl7180]

Love these kinds of discussions! I like both the robot voice and the real voice, but one thing I like about the robot voice is you write what it’s saying more often than here so I can read along. So if you had a script for this, it would be nice to put it in the captions or something.

[@rhythmrecall]

I agree, I like reading the script! But I understand for this video, it would be crazy long and a lot of work 😅

[@facts_in_fiction]

does it help to to turn on automatic captions? I'm not sure if every word is correct but it would be mostly possible to read along

[@cl7180]

oh yeah! i forgot about that, it does work pretty well@@facts_in_fiction

[@Embarazzing]

omg love your voice!

[@multinsomnia5455]

Love your voice

[@facts_in_fiction]

Thank you! And sorry haha

[@Firefliespoison]

i honestly love to hear your own voice, i hope you can do it more in future videos 💓💞

[@ce_982]

I get what you're trying to say but in the case of gidle, the girls actually have demonstrated ways of not following the beauty standards and the expectations of a female idol, from shuhua refusing to wear makeup and wearing baggy clothes on livestreams, to soyeon speaking about how she gets underestimated as a young female rapper in korea. please keep in mind that korea is a heavily conservative country and the girls cant just come out shouting radical feminist ideas because they will literally lose their jobs and will be shunned from the industry all together, which is something we've seen happen to many female idols, they're not passing laws, but what they are doing is still very important. not to mention that soyeons lyrics aren't just saying "hey girl power guys!!", songs like sculpture, nxde, tomboy and lion hold deep, beautifully worded messages around themes of sxxualisation of the female body, gender expression and sexism. just because the kpop industry is toxic and anti feminist, doesn't mean they, as women don't have any right to use their music to platform feminist ideas and get people talking about issues concerning women in the industry.

[@darao.4907]

first of all i love your voice, it’s so soft and soothing! second of all, thank you for this video omgggg. I’ve always had these thoughts but i’ve never had deep enough knowledge of feminist theory to express why i think feminism is so shallow in popular culture media. In fact, when i was watching this video, it really helped me straighten out why I couldn’t get behind the barbie movie’s interpretation of feminism. it never really addresses the root cause of the systemic issues that women face in a meaningful way, nor does it acknowledge the differences in how a woman that isn’t thin cis and white like the barbie would face these issues differently in a meaningful way. And it doesn’t HAVE to but it just makes it feel so shallow idk… But going back to kpop specifically, I get why they really can’t address these things fully. Idols get scrutinized for every little bit of weight gain, their visuals are ranked and fought over, their opinions are heavily criticized even if it’s the most lukewarm opinion with an EVER so slightly controversial lean, and groups that truly go against these standards never get a platform sadly. I remember Han Sohee (an actress) talking about diet culture and how she wishes her fans would eat healthily and not diet even though she must because she’s an actress in the public eye. I feel like in the same way a lot of these feminist leaning groups like (g)idle and mamamoo are more of a “do as I say not as i do” kind of thing because unfortunately they wouldn’t even have the platforms to spread these messages to begin with if they didn’t fit the standards. I think as we see more people warming up to the actual messages, we can then see more idols genuinely defying stereotypes but it will have to be TINY baby steps 😔 However, these kinds of songs, while not particularly deep are fun and that’s why i still love them. Like sometimes i do want to just dance to a song about loving myself with out any deep implications to it! Ok on a completely unrelated note (just asking because you’re more likely to see this comment here since this is a recent video) I’m a kpop cover dancer but i’ve always been interested in kpop dance analyses and that has made me want to get better at my actual technique but i have no money for actual classes 😭 So i’m just trying to learn from these analysis videos and some other basics videos on youtube about some of the different techniques and terminologies. I’ve noticed i struggle with footwork A LOT and your video about difficult footwork in kpop inspired me to try and work on it so may I ask you where I should start? I struggle especially with balance and weight placement 😭

[@facts_in_fiction]

Thank you! I felt similar about the barbie movie. Honestly, it's difficult to give specific tips to someone over the internet. There could be lots of reasons. Generally it should be helpful to familiarise yourself with all the typical hip hop party dances and some basic house footwork as well as doing strengthening exercises, but ultimately I don't know if it's going to "fix" the problem. Take it slow though, this is where a lot of beginners tend to get injuries especially when you're not sure about the technique

[@junkin456]

loved the video! I think your conclusion was spot on, kpop is not a place to look for revolutionary feminist moves, they're first and foremost are focused on making a profit and aesthetics play a huge role in it. It is nice to see more releases more focused on loving yourself, but when u see how much the music videos are focused on visuals, the whole point just feels shallow As much as I love queencard or love my body, I wish they would actually show different women with different looks and body types in it also for me personally: real voice > subtitles > robot voice. I think your voice is very nice, I understood all the words and it adds to the video more personality

[@zhonzhon5112]

i feel like pop and all the popular media just reflects what we as a society think, and popular media also shapes our thinking in a way so its a never-ending cycle of people thinking feminism starts and ends at empowering urself and aesthetics, and because nothing else is shown on popular media, their knowledge never really expands beyond that. i think that if we dont change ourselves then its unrealistic to expect popular media to change because media just reflects back to us our values. but then again where does it start, do we have to change first before media or does media have to showcase topics like these for us to discuss about first. if our media doesnt challenge us to think critically when will we learn to? or should we have already learned to be critical? or maybe they happen simultaneously idk! i do kinda think though that everything starts with us. i think the way i think because of my mothers influence and she was influenced by her mother. facing the patriarchal society of my country did nothing but break me and contradict what my mother taught me. it starts in the individual and then you build a community that runs on generally the same value system i think. realistically, when our societies are so focused on money and profit, i dont think major changes will be made but i still hope for happiness and change and that we as a society value each other and ourselves for simply existing. we have an intrinsic value that stays with us wherever we are. but yeah i feel that companies will rarely let sentiments that aim to challenge social constructs into their product because then people will question them and their existence. its not marketable bubbly feminism anymore. most kpop fans i know irl dont really question the messages shown in kpop mvs and songs. theyll look at a song like queencard and say that it empowers them and reassures them which is nice i love that for them and it ends at that. i do agree that if they actually dived deeper into feminism and societal issues that it goes against companies' goals. companies dont want you to think critically, they want you to get addicted to the dozens of formulaic songs and albums and continue consuming. they dont want to make anything challenging for the viewers as well i think. if the song becomes too heavy then i think viewers will be doing more discussing and less buying. i also despise cosmetic surgery discussions in kpop. i hate cosmetic surgery in general i dont like its existence. i dont understand people that say "its the idols' choice if they want cosmetic surgery or not" but like, is it really though? as you said decisions dont exist in a vacuum. i feel like kpop fans' activism (cant think of a better word) are just reactive instead of proactive. i feel like we need to stop focusing on whether it was an idols choice or not and start focusing on why cosmetic surgery was even a choice at all. in what world would someone need to change their features other than for medical reasons? i feel like we need to step back and question ourselves why we thought its totally okay and sane to just. stab ourselves and change our features in pursuit of beauty (which isnt even like. a solid concept, what is beauty? what is deemed beautiful and why? who decides what is beautiful and what isnt?) also!! i think that delving into a topic and challenging what you deem as the truth is mentally exhausting and time consuming and some people cant afford to dive deep into their own brain when their life is so fast paced and theres not enough time in the day. so messages like "youre pretty youre the best", which is a short-lived sort of empowerment, is just right for them in such a fast-paced life. idk

[@lubeslubes286]

I think you nail it on the head. The topic is very nuanced. I remember in 2019, reading about how little men listen to female artists. I checked my spotify and 98% of my music were male artists that year. I tried to make a strong effort to listen to more female artists starting that year. I think that's what it comes down to. Support female artists ( especially the ones pushing boundaries).

[@shaojunqingjiu]

i don't have entirely a lot to say about the content of the video outside of the fact that I Agree, but tips on audio could maybe be focused on panning (i think a lot of the audio was coming through my right headphone) and flow of your voice. i respect the decision to change from robot voice to real voice though!

[@potathottwit7604]

Also, some of these kpop gg's are pretentious when it comes to feminism. Some of them are really using feminism as a concept & will only voice out their opinions or agree to someone's opinion if it applies to them.

[@Spacerecord-yv5oz]

Nice video

[@user-cy1og2yo8g]

im not fluent in english so i was enyojing more the robot voice because i can understand better than a native speaking :') but its ok, i'll try to understand the auto subs

[@nublock5000]

+1 vote for real voice

[@Fred-bc9ts]

The thing that most annoye me about this conversation is the amount of comments here that show how much kpop stans think they now all, when reality is the opposite. The feminist movement is pretty strong in South Korea, just because movements like the incell one is too doesn't mean the feminist movement isn't strong either. This type of thinking helps to preserve misogynist stereotypes like asian women are submissive and etc. Idle is not the first kpop group to use parts of social movements in their concept, even their seniors (CLC) have taken the corset movement (wich is part of the SK feminist movement) as inspiration to their comeback NO. If this action it's valid or respectful is a really important conversarion to have. But kpop stans acting like their favs are breaking society boundaires is patetic. Neither Idle nor any other kpop group have strengthen the feminist movement in SK, they rather are able to release this type of concept because the fighting of the social movement itself and the space it's able to provide to women in society.

[@tamereenslip5111]

Really liked your video ! I've been interested in the different feminists movements (especially radical feminism) and your analysis of feminism in Kpop is very well documented and interesting. Personally I don't think that the Kpop industry as it is currently can be compatible with feminism. So-called feminists groups like Gidle kinda bother me bc feminism is seen as a concept in order to make money. Their company saw that female empowerment seemed to be profitable and decided to base their group around this concept. And even their so-called message of female empowerment seems empty and fake as it only revolve around the appearance and body (sexualized it's better) (but hey ! It's empowerment, because it’s their choice after all). I really like listening to K-pop but I keep in mind that it’s an industry that would do anything to generate money, company don’t care about empowering women unless they can profit from it.

[@ce_982]

calling gidle a "so-called feminist group" is very ignorant and just tells me that your'e not really listening to the message that gidle is trying to put out into the world, i think that your comment reads as more "so-called" feminist then any piece of work gidle has ever released. Soyeon writes, produces and creative directs these albums and singles almost all by herself, with her more recent work being inspired by her own experiences as a woman in such a toxic industry. By just saying that their company just wanted to make money not only dismisses her experiences as a woman that inspire such lyrics/concepts, but also implies that the company, not soyeon, who came up with the feminist "concept". In fact, their company actually has repeatedly pushed back against soyeons writing and create direction containing feminist ideas, shes even had to change/censor her lyrics in order to release certain songs. If i were you, I would definitely read more into gidle's lyrics and creative direction before making such an ill-informed and frankly sexist judgement.

[@Gaby-df4ge]

Why your voice is so familiar?

[@facts_in_fiction]

🤔

[@potathottwit7604]

Your take on "female gg's now is targeted to be relatable & not on male gace centric" doesn't really apply to what older gg's did. Because even in 1st-3rd gen gg's, they actually managed to tackle feminism without it being watered down AND a lot of them are actually confident with more mature concept (only few aren't). The gg's even from 2nd gen also had the same concept & lyrics like the gg's in 4th & 5th gen since older concept is just coming back for the newer generations to use.

[@potathottwit7604]

I just want kpop gg's to STOP writing, composing & producing songs meant for empowering as "comical, "bubbly or tacky" in terms of visuals in mv or the sound itself. I want them to go straight to the point because if they're still masking the feminism, its gonna be HARDER for them to actually push the feminist movement. If they actually want to be the voice, then they should actually consider writing it properly without using puns. This is why I always ALWAYS lean towards actual feminists in South Korea including journalists, models, some influencers & actresses because they do A LOT despite being targeted by incels. They write poems, they also support & join any public organizations & rallies but these idols who preach about feminism is nowhere to be found when needed. I'm a woman don't get me wrong but all I'm saying is if they're gonna use feminism or women empowerment, then they should devote in it not only in writing songs BUT also include joining organizations BECAUSE it'll help women in South Korea have MORE VOICE to back them up.

[@mylovechoerry2233]

Here we go again, another youtube who start doing low quality political video essay on youtube on a subject they have very vague and superficial understanding about. If you are not gonna gives us at least a deep dive thomas sowell level analysis on serious subject like thats its better to stay on a subject you actually know like dance.

[@masonbrakemeier5854]

Can you explain what you found factually incorrect about this video?

[@cynthiaowl6802]

Why not tell them where exactly you think their analysis is shallow instead of acting like they aren't capable of doing well by virtue of... Trying? It's literally their first voiced video, why are you expecting extremely labour intensive content from the get go?

[@facts_in_fiction]

Feel free to go more in depth and actually say where you disagree with me or where you want to hear something more specific. The video is certainly rather vague, I made it partly because I was interested in the reaction and to practice writing about this topic in my third language. Considering the name drop I doubt that we agree on much, but I'm still curious

[@ughhhdeja]

Well how about you go ahead and make a video then since you so much? Like you could've just told them what you didn't like without being such a bitch about it.

[@deya.entertainment]

If you don’t like it then don’t watch and go do it yourself