Chomsky Warns Of Of Possible War With China

[@garzila]

It baffles me in this day that people still believe America is never thr aggressor

[@w0t_m818]

Operation Earnest Voice. Most don't, social media comments are a part of manufacturing our consent for what the US wants.

[@theprophet489]

Because they are all brainwashed immigrants 😂😂😂so they keep swallowing msm the west is always right like the big bad bully in school 😂😂😂the bully days are coming to an end double standards hypocrites 😂😂😂

[@BSnicks]

Well, NATO is a "defence" organization and DoD is also the "defence" department. So, litterally people will never believe that the US is the aggressor. 🤣😂

[@starnight1209]

They are very well brainwashed, let them be.

[@MrDiggityaus]

I think that people know thatAmerica is often the aggressor, but they are forced to ignore it because of the advantages of having the largest, most advanced military, and the influence of us dollar economically on their side,

[@thefearhawk8805]

As a non american: Right now, I consider China less of a threat to the west then the US.

[@TheTroutyness]

As an American, I am inclined to agree. If only because we have a bigger stick.

[@anshuraj4277]

Lol....u r delusional 😊

[@jeremyjohnson9609]

As an american, I consider the U.S. more of a threat to the U.S. than China.

[@Tester24796]

IDK we seem on par with each other. China will make a move on Taiwan

[@freedomfighter4990]

As an American, I agree with you because we have a crazy orange idiot running the country.

[@elext9q]

chomsky's looking pretty good for 147 years old

[@BaoChiSandival]

He still has an IQ above that

[@elext9q]

@@BaoChiSandival don't get me wrong, i love the guy to be honest

[@Shiv-ym1rr]

​@@elext9q he'd eat us all up, even at his ripe old age of 122

[@Hedra718]

I love the guy too but this made lol 😅

[@pahvi3]

@@elext9q fr it feels like he's been around since the beginning of time

[@RedRose-id4sd]

My ex used to build weapons for our "defense" department. The internal propaganda was anti-Russia, anti-China everyday. It made my ex paranoid and stressed.

[@bigchedds8389]

Because deep down your ex knows those weapons weren't for the "enemy".

[@remp919]

And the worst part, is that these weapons went for Crapisreal to do all the horrible work, and now with AI incorporated

[@caneyebus]

Happy to hear that they are your ex.

[@MarcCano-m9u]

I joined the Marine Corps in the late 70's straight and qe were fed the same anti Russia anti China propaganda. It's taken me years to try and de-program myself. Going to university after i left the service was the begining then studying and working in france exposed me to a lot of different points of view.

[@jumboslice9414]

​@@MarcCano-m9u yeah it is hard to leave such absolutism. And you can't disagree

[@BrianElvisScoonover]

Everything we accuse China of doing, we do ourselves

[@matthewdonohue9667]

😆

[@Shanehargis44]

@@BrianElvisScoonover sounds like the dems project lie In people’s faces and do the opposite of what we preach. Thank goodness we’re done with that for at least 12 years Vance 28

[@vangpham2514]

10x over

[@1isOneshot]

That doesn't mean they don't

[@oemcargps]

No It's different! When the US do it, it's called "rule based international order".

[@tonys32948376]

By becoming a developed and economically prosperous nation, China has triggered the egos, insecurities, and xenophobia of certain Americans who believe in their "exceptionalism". To them, this cannot stand, and they demand war.

[@The4thResidentofEvil]

LOL nice job simping for a dictatorship that literally puts ethnic minorities in Concentration camps...or are you going to make excuses/justifications for it, like a true psychopath?

[@TacticalMayo]

It's inevitable

[@mengreat6982]

Exactly, it's a national insecurity rather than national security issues

[@scotttatertot69]

​@mengreat6982 oh my god, this is an amazing quote. I can't wait to use it myself.

[@Thekidisalright]

Only singular American hegemony is allowed

[@sentientsnail0123]

Little known fact about the Cuban missile crisis that Nathan also fails to mention is that before the USSR attempted to station missiles in Cuba, we had ALREADY stationed nuclear warheads in Turkey. So even that, which is always used as an example of the USSR's aggression, was a response to aggression by the US.

[@bobbullethalf]

Well, let Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos and Mark Zuckerberg go fight.

[@chazbonosmanlybeard4031]

luckily none of those men make any money from China?

[@dawnezone8491]

lol

[@xthomas7621]

Add Jack Ma.

[@TMDWTFIU]

War Pigs.

[@Maplin-Ma]

@@xthomas7621 Jack Ma is submissive to CPC now.

[@FigmentHF]

almost non of us want any of this absurd violence, people are just people

[@banquetoftheleviathan1404]

Everywhere you go is the same. The sky is the sky and people are people.

[@AndrewCottingham-c4g]

Yup, most of us are just everyday working people trying to get by. Making the working class of one country fight the working class of another country is so messed up. We’re just trying to live

[@Sernival]

​@@AndrewCottingham-c4g Americans would need to completely restructure their economy, otherwise they simply cannot ignore what props up their consumerist lifestyles. That is, the death and exploitation of other people.

[@cosmosofinfinity]

If only all people would boycott joining the military, then the oligarchs would have to settle this dumb shit themselves

[@josephcaruso7815]

Amen!

[@TheRedDeath25]

The Chinese people and American people started talking on Red Note and we do not want to fight our friends in China. The American government and the Chinese government need to figure their shit out.

[@fullcirclehistory]

The Chinese government is evil

[@fenrir7878]

​@@fullcirclehistoryAmerican government is way more evil than China.

[@fotnite_]

We have more in common with eachother than with our respective oligarchies.

[@reallymakesyouthink]

Unfortunately there is no talking to the US government.

[@spookynoodler]

sigh I just dont wanna be terrified my wifes gonna get attacked every time she leaves the house like what started happening during covid. The anti Asian hate got really out of control, even in Australia which is normally not as drawn into the hype but got totally on board with it all. People we're happily filming themselves abusing and even violently attacking people that had done nothing wrong. I dont know how we went from a nation of ANZACs punching nazis in the face to this shit..

[@MyButtercup]

America has never been this weak.

[@DANCEGARAGEPUNK]

We have just voted in the weakest government of all time Greed is the biggest weakness !!!

[@AG-ig8uf]

Yeah, it is total nonsense to claim that US would instigate any war with China, Trump and his oligarch buddies fully dependent on China, for better or worse.

[@The4thResidentofEvil]

LOL, tell me which nation has a blue water navy and is the one that feeds the world?

[@TacticalMayo]

What are you talking about? We're as strong as can be, especially considering it will come down to military

[@scotttatertot69]

Like an old bear bearing it's teeth

[@imacmill]

My favorite Chomsky quote: "9/11 wasn't an inside job, but even if it was, it wouldn't matter."

[@6iaZkMagW7EFs]

It wasn't an inside job. But the "inside" (lobbyists and billionaires) benefited from it. With the three richest men on EARTH, "Zuckerberg, Bezos and Musk seated in front of cabinet picks" at the inauguration, it's clear who's really in control.

[@ddtking7630]

It is an inside job!!

[@duxnihilo]

Where is it from?

[@imacmill]

@@duxnihilo Waaay back in the day. One of his 'speeches'.

[@JDean-vh5dz]

Way back in the day? Like 20 years ago?

[@siuabc]

Korean and Vietnam War - Communist scare from 1950s to 1970s Iran Invasion- WMD - early 2000 Now, China and Communist Scare again… How many lives lost from Americans and regular civilians from other countries? How much money spent no wars instead of infrastructure and domestic needs?😢

[@ASDeckard]

The Korean war was because the north invaded the south, and the the CCP invaded when their puppet government started collapsing. We chose neither of those wars. Vietnam was, would you like to guess? It was the north invading the south. Maybe nations should just stop invading American allies? 'please ignore me ignoring Iraq and Afghanistan, thank you very much.'

[@japjeetmehton9921]

Afghanistan

[@The4thResidentofEvil]

I would believe you if China didn't CONSTANTLY threaten to attack it's free, democratic and prosperous neighbor and deny their right to exist!

[@Brutuscomedy]

It's almost like "an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind."

[@lizliz4186]

But if you're a billionaire, you can buy more eyes

[@Cryosxify]

or in Israel an eye is worth a dozen lives of the brown people not related to their brown people

[@banquetoftheleviathan1404]

Actually it will make all your other senses sharper and will give you a strong advantage over other swordsman because vision is a liability on the battlefield

[@wildgoose419]

"No, it doesn't. There'll be one guy left with one eye. How's the last blind guy gonna take out the eye of the last guy left?"

[@mgm8822]

I’m so happy he’s still going. I haven’t heard anything from him for a while. I was fearing the worst.

[@redshift912]

All you had to do was google . Stop being dramatic when you are just beyond lazy

[@nearthefarworld]

FYI he is an Epstein associate

[@charleswofford6296]

@@nearthefarworld Chomsky met with Epstein once, in his own office, after Epstein had done time for the crimes of which he had been convicted at the time. Epstein met with many, many people, not all of them were criminals. Chomsky is not to be smeared as an "Epstein associate."

[@nillyk5671]

​@@nearthefarworldThat's you.

[@The4thResidentofEvil]

Might not want to praise someone who excuses the Bosnian genocide...

[@Sam-l5c5r]

What does it say about the health of the democracy when you can have a "healthy movement" where there is large public anti-war sentiment but 0 policy changes no matter who you elect

[@PraxisAbraxis]

That there is no functioning democracy.

[@payasoinfeliz]

antiwar sentiment is not real, it is mainly on the left. the right was never anti war, they just pretend to be whatever helps "their team." eventually their side chooses a war and they fall in line, join the military, etc. they are just pawns, and they are being used.

[@DavidB275]

It says we need to get rowdy.

[@Quagma-b2i]

It says it's not really a democracy after all.

[@johnsanders561]

When we allow a group to openly claim they are superior to everyone else, don't act surprised when they believe it and acts upon it.

[@michaelmarchal4004]

As a French I think I am more worried about USA. I also like China better, I leaved in both China is a better country.

[@ianoliver3130]

China has lifted 1.5 billion people out of poverty in just 40years. They have universal health care, no homelessness and free education. Compare that with the lot of the American citizen over the same time period. No wonder US is frightened!

[@Gusthebusisreal]

China the one with concentration camps? That one?

[@ianoliver3130]

The Americans should be congratulating the Chinese on their tremendous progress!- and adopting their superior economic system. In China big corporations are controlled by the government. In USA, the government is subservient to the profit motive of big corporations.

[@TacticalMayo]

Well, the second part of your sentence said it all. So who cares?

[@TacticalMayo]

​@ianoliver3130there's no way you can be serious 🤣

[@lusosaylor]

The Opium Wars (1839-1842 and 1856-1860) are a historical example of unequal relations between major powers and China, much like the dynamics we observe today between the United States and China. Although the U.S. did not directly participate in the Opium Wars, its actions and policies during and after those conflicts highlight a pattern of exploitation and strategic maneuvering that remains relevant in modern geopolitics. **Historical Context** During the Opium Wars, Britain and later France forced China to open its markets under unequal treaties, weakening the Qing dynasty and exposing China to Western dominance. The U.S., while officially neutral, took advantage of the situation by securing its own treaty with China, the Treaty of Wangxia (1844), which granted similar privileges to those obtained by Britain, such as extraterritoriality and access to Chinese markets. This marked the beginning of America's growing influence in Asia, which has parallels with its current rivalry with China. -**Modern Parallels** Today, the U.S. and China are locked in an economic and political struggle reminiscent of past imbalances: 1. **Economic Exploitation vs. Trade Dependency**: - In the 19th century, the West exploited China's resources and markets while undermining its sovereignty. Today, although China is a global economic powerhouse, it still faces challenges in achieving equitable terms in international trade, particularly with the U.S. imposing tariffs and restrictions on Chinese goods and technology. 2. **Strategic Rivalry**: - Just as the Opium Wars were a power play by Western nations to dominate Asian trade routes, modern tensions over the South China Sea, Taiwan, and technology reflect a similar struggle for control and influence in the region. 3. **Western Narratives of Superiority**: - The portrayal of China as a backward or oppressive regime during the Opium Wars mirrors current rhetoric used to frame China's rise as a threat to the global order, perpetuating a narrative of Western superiority. **Conclusion** The historical dynamics of the Opium Wars offer a stark reminder of the long-standing inequalities in Sino-Western relations. While China's role in the global economy has dramatically changed, the echoes of exploitation and strategic rivalry persist. The U.S., much like in the 19th century, continues to leverage its economic and political power to maintain dominance, often at the expense of a truly balanced partnership with China. Understanding this historical context is essential for addressing the challenges of the current global order.

[@lusosaylor]

As a portuguese, The historical relationship between Portugal and China is a remarkable example of mutual respect and cooperation spanning over five centuries. From the establishment of Macau as a Portuguese-administered territory in 1557 to its peaceful handover in 1999, there is no record of significant conflicts between the two nations-an extraordinary feat in the history of global colonization. A Unique Relationship Macau as a Gift and a Peace Agreement: Macau was granted to the King of Portugal in recognition of the Portuguese efforts to eliminate piracy in the South China Sea. Unlike other colonies, Macau was not taken by force but was established through negotiation, symbolizing a relationship built on mutual benefit. Mutual Respect: Unlike powers that engaged in oppressive wars, Portugal maintained a diplomatic and respectful approach with China. This understanding allowed Macau to flourish as a trade hub, benefiting both sides. A Model Transition: The peaceful and cooperative handover of Macau to China in 1999 stands in stark contrast to other colonial transitions, which were often fraught with tension and conflict. An Ideal Neighbor China, as Portugal’s "territorial neighbor" in Macau, was exemplary in its conduct. Unlike other neighboring powers in Portuguese history, China never posed a military or cultural threat to Portugal’s presence in Macau. On the contrary, both parties worked together to ensure the region’s stability and prosperity. Lessons for Today The relationship between Portugal and China over 500 years is a model of how culturally different nations can coexist in harmony. In times of global tensions, this historic partnership serves as a reminder that dialogue and mutual respect can overcome barriers and prevent conflict. The legacy of Macau is more than a territorial matter; it is a symbol of how Portugal and China built a lasting friendship based on trust and cooperation.

[@mcmcmcm6520]

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[@lusosaylor]

@mcmcmcm6520 "Without a doubt, ChatGPT is an incredibly valuable tool for organizing, editing, and translating texts quickly and clearly, especially considering English is my third language. To address the malicious comment suggesting that all I did was Ctrl + C and Ctrl + V, let me clarify: using this tool effectively requires knowing what you’re talking about, understanding what you want to convey, and then refining and finalizing it. If it were as simple as copy-pasting, perhaps even those making such remarks would manage to produce something coherent. Best regards and saravà from Portugal."

[@petergilkes7082]

Oooh! Nasty! ​@@mcmcmcm6520

[@Thrillkilled]

@@mcmcmcm6520lmao literally

[@mijmijrm]

USA will promise not to attack if China will promise not to defend itself. USA reserves the right (the right of exceptionalism) to break its promise.

[@ASDeckard]

America literally has no war plan to attack China *unless* it is coming to the aid of an ally, like Taiwan, or the Philippines, or Vietnam.... Isn't it weird how many nations China is openly trying to take territory from? Anyway, there is no US plan for a preemptive strike on China. Literally every single scenario that we train on starts with 'China is invading x nation, now get in the way and stop or stall them.' So more like America has already promised not to attack China, and America promises not to counter-attack China if they don't invade their neighbors, but China would prefer if America wouldn't even counterattack if they did invade their neighbors. You see threatening to attack them if they attack other people makes them feel..... Weak I guess? Or, crazy thought, maybe that gets in the way of their plans to invade Vietnam, and the Philippines, and India, and Myanmar (which they are in the middle of doing right now btw), and hilariously Russia, and Afghanistan (would it not be the funniest xxxxing thing to see America come to the Taliban's aid within the decade we stopped our own occupation?), and Kyrgyzstan, and Mongolia... Oh, and their plans for a punitive expedition to Japan. If you wanted to invade and slaughter that many of your neighbors I could see why America promising to defend them would make you feel bad.

[@TacticalMayo]

It's not that it's you reach for the number one spot.

[@TacticalMayo]

@ysw8291 no you go to war

[@robertkraljii5048]

Can you imagine the American reaction if China treated Taiwan like the US has been treating Canada?

[@Western_Decline]

What if China treated Taiwan the way the U.S. treats Cuba?

[@allahblesswinniehomo7789]

Canada treats the US like North Korea treats Russia.

[@vzy3680]

​@@Western_Decline台湾每年从中国大陆得到1500亿美元贸易顺差，古巴？

[@ChrisZ901]

Taiwan has the biggest trade surplus from China, thanks to China's special trade policy that catered to Taiwan. Western media never talks about this.

[@leondee918]

With the US, everything is possible in regards of war. It loves wars, so much

[@TacticalMayo]

When you reach for the number one spot this happens

[@wildgoose419]

@@TacticalMayo No that they are there yet, but I think China is showing that it is possible to reach number one spot without resorting to war, and that scares the shit out of the USA.

[@TacticalMayo]

@wildgoose419 it will cause Armageddon.

[@Western_Decline]

@@TacticalMayoChina has not dropped a single bomb on another country in 45 years. The U.S. regularly drops bombs on other countries that were not even technically at war with.

[@kushclarkkent6669]

Buy Chomsky's book "Manufacturing Consent".

[@Newton-Reuther]

I don't give money to people who have paid Epstein.

[@elext9q]

should be one of the first political books anyone buys

[@kushclarkkent6669]

@@elext9q AGREED! Manufacturing Consent and Listen Liberal by Thomas Frank were what started my political awakening. I had a basic framework in place, but those books really showed me how the world works.

[@josephgrosso2943]

Why? That book is way outdated

[@stayfree870]

Inventing reality Book by Michael Parenti. Michael is the real deal. Chomsky has association with George Soros's funded media.

[@flyingspud]

It amazes me, always in a bad sense, how even the most anti imperialist Americans still are unable to steer clear from imperialist tropes and talking points.

[@johnsegelke4385]

Most of the American left is highly propagandized and thus inclined to side with the US State Department's worldview. It is shocking how a "progressive" like AOC unquestioningly supports every multibillion dollar lethal aid package for Ukraine without ever articulating the case for diplomacy. Progressives were traditionally anti-war. How far we've sunk.

[@Splattle101]

Jeez, imagine if America was a democracy.

[@lluhu]

Elon, Zuckerberg, Bezos, Trump….all these people are only faithful to one nation: Money

[@iainherridge6253]

Oligarchs make millions from war❗

[@jcolwill]

So what if China displaces US as dominant power in Indo-Pacific. Does US have more right to hegemony than any other power?

[@megakedar]

The only thing preventing a war is the rise of Chinese military strength. The problem with so many of these progressive commentaries is that they assume that there can be some kind of principled position here. The conscience of the left never stopped any wars. Just the fear of death.

[@MasterAdam100]

No but you have to consider what the countries in the region want. Vietnam, Phillipines, Malaysia, Indonesia, Taiwan, etc. They aren't exactly buddy buddy with China and wouldn't want to be dominated by their neighbor.

[@scottduncan92]

The US has built an alliance system and globalized free trade since 1945. The US hegemony set the stage for China's rise and economic success. China would be stupid to threaten the international system it benefits from.

[@Cryosxify]

​@@MasterAdam100also Japan, South Korea, and India

[@thewielloyd988]

@@MasterAdam100China has invested massively in infrastructure in these countries and in kind they’ve deepened their relations. Indonesia has just joined BRICS which is a big deal. All the above has occurred with no bloodshed. The US has no moral case for policing that region when many nations an hour’s flight south of the US have seen so much death and destruction by US hands in their quest for unfettered access to raw materials.

[@michaelmarchal4004]

Its always USA who starts.

[@The4thResidentofEvil]

Yeah, how DARE the U.S. pledge to defend a free democratic island nation from an insane Dictatorship? The NERVE!

[@LB-yg2br]

Yea, america totally started the war between Russia and Georgia. America is totally going to force China to invade Taiwan. America basically mandated the Yemen civil war. Heck, Syria’s civil war was clearly Obama right? Always the USA…

[@cyberpass]

clickbait! Was hoping to hear Chomsky speak :(

[@severalwolves]

(11:25) yeah unfortunately I think those days are gone - Nathan’s role has been to extend his voice beyond what he’s physically capable of.

[@phillgornall2296]

Does he even really speak any more? He sounds like a washing machine full of gravel.

[@L-K-K]

Chinese "authoritarianism" is tiger parenting at a national level. It sucks for some and at times is too extreme and have been abused, but it also has benefits and may be necessary to develop a country that decades ago was one of the poorest in the world with a massive population and 50+ ethnic groups to coordinate. The Global North imposing its values & ways of doing things on the Global South is authoritarian & undemocratic, especially as the Global North actually won't tolerate the Global South's democratic decisions if they don't benefit the Global North. The Global North did not achieve prosperity through democratic means - its prosperity is built on unacknowledged authoritarianism & exploitation of others. Telling the Global South to become "liberal democracies" is like telling a starving person to eat cake while not willing to actually share your piece of cake. The Global North, even the well-intentioned ones, should be more humble. There is no panacea, no one size fits all solution. Western saviour syndrome is as annoying as naked racist aggressions. Taiwan is increasingly anti-democratic with a popular opposition leader being arrested & jailed for unsubstantiated corruption charges while the ruling DPP cover up their own party's corruptions. The DPP uses similar languages as the KMT during martial law period, accusing all opposition of being communist Chinese stooges. DPP control mainstream media just as much as the Western govs control theirs. The DPP send troll armies to harass those who say anything positive about China. The rabid pro-independence DPP President got elected by a minority of eligible voters while the 2 opposition parties who wanted better relationship with China together won the majority of the votes. This pro-independence President has his sons safely tucked away in the US while trying to trick high schoolers stuck in Taiwan to sign up to for military service should China resort to force. How is that democracy? It's corrupt politicians wanting their fiefdom using the rhetorics of democracy and human rights as a front. Anyone with a conscience need to self-reflect & think harder about what good governance means if they're buying into the narrative of Taiwan-democracy-good China-authoritarian-evil. It's too easy to slap labels on others to discredit them without thinking about the context and what is the just outcome we're really trying to achieve, just like it's easy to slap the "terrorist" label on Palestinian resistance without thinking about why they are resorting to violent resistance.

[@eng2271]

Well said. In fact, the Global North have NO values... this is abundantly clear from the crimes they are perpetuating against the Palestinians, the Sudanese, the Iraqi children before, on and on ... Any appeals to freedom, democracy, and rule based order are only propaganda tactics.

[@60detikpintar]

agree with you, taiwan 2/3 parties wanted to be closer with china. only 5 million people voted for dpp

[@opheliachen3945]

Excellent viewpoints.

[@grimtarot]

It's actually the only way to produce longterm development. You cannot have multiple parties with multiple ideologies that all disagree with eachother and expect any kind of development projects to be successful. A strong government, even if oppressive, will be able to raise millions of people out of poverty. The kind of democracy we have is sadly not applicable in the 21st century.

[@jujuliolezesuiglaz1780]

just to clarify when the Cuban missiles gets mentioned, they were deployed in retaliation to the NATO missiles deployed in Turkey aimed at Russia. The then secret agreement was to decommission both sites to deescalate the tensions.

[@adrianoreyes4184]

People choose to leave out this very important detail.

[@misanthropyunhinged]

i don't care about liberal buzzwords like "authoritarian" , look at Chinese society, and compare it to american society...maybe Chinese government is on to something.

[@gafaproductions2978]

👏

[@sophia8376]

Yeah they are! As a Chinese I can say that the majority of the Chinese people support our government, because the government looks after people. While the westerns inflation go up crazily since COVID and the Russian-Ukrainian war, living cost in western in general is insanely high! But guess what, food price and energy price is barely increased China, as Chinese government has regarded energy safety and food safety as one of their top priority, and have done lots of things to hedge the risk. so when bad things happen, Chinese people are well protected. My dad always “show off” their low energy bill (I live in the UK). What Chinese government has promised to do and has done successfully is “serving the people”.

[@romanmanner]

Not a buzzword. It’s a political trait. You have not even the pretense of individual civil rights in China.

[@misanthropyunhinged]

@ the have the right to be safe when they go out at any hour of the night, that's something americans will never have.

[@mr.anderson3369]

"In the case of Israel-Palestine, a one-state solution will arise only on the U.S. model: with extermination or expulsion of the indigenous population." - Noam Chomsky, Gaza in Crisis: Reflections on the U.S.-Israeli War on the Palestinians(2010)

[@indieguy81]

The older I get and the more history I read, the more I am convinced that the U.S. is not, and never has been, the upstanding world citizen, beacon of hope and freedom, fighter of evil in all its forms, and champion of democracy that it claims to be. We aren't taking on the bad guys. We are the bad guy.

[@joshuaDstarks]

Y’all gotta hurry, Chomsky has to be back before sunrise.

[@joelwillis2043]

amazing retort

[@lusosaylor]

The **Treaty of Wangxia** (July 3, 1844), signed between the **United States** and the **Qing dynasty of China**, was the first formal diplomatic agreement between the two nations. Negotiated by **Caleb Cushing**, it marked the beginning of U.S. involvement in China and established a framework for trade and legal relations. However, from the perspective of Portugal’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs, this treaty not only humiliated China but also represented yet another betrayal of the already fragile Qing dynasty during a period of profound Western exploitation. --- ### **Key Provisions of the Treaty of Wangxia**: 1. **Extraterritoriality**: - U.S. citizens in China were exempt from Chinese laws and could only be tried under U.S. laws in consular courts. This provision weakened China's judicial sovereignty and symbolized the unequal nature of the treaty. 2. **Most-Favored-Nation Clause**: - The U.S. was granted the same privileges secured by Britain in the **Treaty of Nanking** (1842), ensuring American merchants equal access to Chinese trade and ports. 3. **Open Trade Ports**: - The treaty allowed American merchants to trade in the five treaty ports (Canton, Amoy, Foochow, Ningpo, and Shanghai) that had been opened after the First Opium War. 4. **Fixed Tariffs**: - The treaty mandated transparent and fixed tariffs on U.S. goods, which undermined China's ability to regulate its trade policies independently. 5. **Anti-Opium Clause**: - The U.S. agreed not to trade opium in China. While seemingly a moral stance, this clause did little to reduce the overall opium trade, as other Western powers continued their lucrative dealings. 6. **Missionary Protections**: - The treaty allowed American Christian missionaries to operate freely in China, further extending foreign influence over Chinese society. --- ### **Impact and the Portuguese Perspective**: From the point of view of Portugal’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the Treaty of Wangxia symbolized yet another dagger in the back of an already weakened China. By exploiting China's vulnerabilities following the Opium Wars, the United States positioned itself among the Western powers seeking to carve out influence in the region. The treaty humiliated China further, stripping it of sovereignty and consolidating the image of a fractured nation unable to resist foreign domination. For Portugal, which had maintained relatively amicable relations with China through Macau, this aggressive posturing by the U.S. and other powers reflected a ruthless exploitation of China’s decline. --- ### **Significance of the Treaty**: 1. **Foundation of Sino-American Relations**: - The treaty marked the beginning of official diplomatic and trade relations between the U.S. and China, laying the groundwork for America's future expansion in Asia. 2. **Unequal Nature**: - Similar to other treaties imposed on China during the "Century of Humiliation," it heavily favored the foreign power-in this case, the United States-at the expense of China's sovereignty. 3. **Comparison to British Influence**: - The treaty ensured the U.S. would not fall behind Britain or other European powers in accessing China's markets. --- ### **Legacy**: The Treaty of Wangxia is a stark reminder of how Western powers capitalized on China’s vulnerabilities in the 19th century. For Portugal, which historically maintained a cooperative relationship with China, this treaty stood as a testament to the growing brutality of international diplomacy in the age of imperialism. It not only exemplified the systematic undermining of China's sovereignty but also highlighted how quickly new players, like the U.S., joined the ranks of established colonial powers in exploiting China’s decline.

[@orkneyis123]

Let,s worry about own crime, homeless, inflation. Politicians are just brainwash people.

[@The4thResidentofEvil]

Yeah, how DARE we care about a dictatorship hell bent on invading a free democratic country? You people make me sick with how little you care about others.

[@TacticalMayo]

Absolutely not. We will do no such thing

[@Aemon_DragonKnight]

Chomsky, the absolute GOAT!

[@The4thResidentofEvil]

Try not praising someone who has made excuses for the Bosnian genocide...

[@Aemon_DragonKnight]

@ I strongly disagree with Chomsky on the Bosnian genocide. That being said, he is still probably the greatest mind of our time. He is an exceptional linguist, has made great contributions to the fields of science and philosophy. Him as a political analyst is mostly hit or a miss. He has written over 120 books and talked about thousands of topics, being a human being he is bound to be wrong in a few. Still he is miles ahead of anyone else.

[@JinksDeJenn]

Richard Wolf has talked a lot about this subject and BRICKS as well.

[@kerkroberts8875]

Closed my eyes and imagined I was listening to a young Bernie Sanders🤣

[@ultraviolettas]

😭

[@dunk7073]

it's called baseless paranoia...

[@The4thResidentofEvil]

Considering how many times China has threatened to invade a free, democratic and prosperous Taiwan, and all the military buildup that they've been doing? You may as well call Poland in 1939 paranoid.

[@TacticalMayo]

Reaching for the number one spot in economic global word of the United States is a big huge deal

[@ChrisZ901]

​​​@@The4thResidentofEviland ROC that rules Taiwan also tried to overtake the mainland in the 70s and 80s when they had an upper hand in military equipment. it's called a civil war you dmb @ss

[@SeanRCope]

It’s the twenties all over again just a different century.

[@thargyyy]

Who else was suprised to learn that chonsky is still alive

[@rs72098]

Chomsky's transformation into Gandalf the grey is almost complete.

[@johnbrown4949]

The hood ain’t forgot all the Asians who keep us fed with rice and the price never goes up like fast food. We ain’t forgot the flea market air force ones and knockoff Gucci and Louie the Asians provided when we couldnt afford the real thing, but we was still clean out here. Always doing ladies nails, stop playing. We might not be family with them but a lot of us respect them…

[@TacticalMayo]

That's not true. Do you know that's where the highest percentage of Asian hate crimes are? A lot of people don't know that, but it's true.

[@switch4960]

Wisest of our generation

[@justsomecyborg788]

I get so worried for Chomsky these days because of his health. We need him more than ever - but his legacy has firmly planted itself and will forever live on. Noam Chomsky is one of the greatest intellectuals, and I hope he knows how truly loved he is. All love to Chomsky.

[@TacticalMayo]

He's a traitor in the eyes of the West, but at the same time he's lived a long long life. He's really really old.

[@Titanvol91]

Thats the entirety of U.S. history, We do X thing and expect no recourse but as soon as someone else does the exact same thing its Boots On The Ground.

[@The4thResidentofEvil]

Are you SERIOUSLY defending a future invasion of Taiwan? How sick in the head do you have to be to DEFEND such a thing?

[@wwbren]

That someone needn't be really doing the same thing, he just got ACCUSED of doing those things that the US did before.

[@LaurieCoco-t8z]

Every day we have a CHOICE to be part of the SOLUTION or part of the PROBLEM. I am very grateful for Mr. Chompskys efforts.

[@TacticalMayo]

If you reach for the number one spot, this is what you get

[@gunsumwong3948]

The US like to talk and bully but what is on the ground is a different world. To fight a war with China US must dispatch its warships what US can build a maximum 5 each year according to the 2023 navy report at the time China becomes the world leader in shipbuilding delivered 1,711 last year. The navy also reported China capacity to build warship is more 200 times than the US. Warships of similar specification built in China cost 4 times in the US. If US wants to use air power Chinese civilian versions of drones are famous for being able to do fantastic displays, sought by countries to modify for military application and hold the top position on cost and ability. Chinese missiles have been tested for higher hypersonic speeds than the US. More than two Chinese 6th-generation fighter planes have been flew just recently while US anticipates operation in 2030. Unless US achieves breakthrough in getting rare earth, which China has ceased to supply, the American jets may be visible to Chinese new radars. Finally US is going to war with an empty war chest loaded with debt over $36.38 trillion. China's war cheat is being filled with $1 trillion trade surplus annually. It will take someone incredibly detached from reality in America to start a war with China. A convicted rapist and felon, who believes in fossil fuel instead of renewable energy is the future, may be the right candidate to make it happen.

[@bumblingbe]

I have different opinions on most of what you said (not the #’s but the quality etc) BUT I don’t want to argue about any of it, just wanted to agree that if anyone is crazy enough to start a war we don’t want or need with China it will be the idiot in charge now.

[@TacticalMayo]

It's going to happen.

[@InfernoFoundry]

I saw Chomsky give a reading of his book 'Manufacturing Consent' back in the early 90's. The auditorium was filled with university students... and at the end, there was a question period and basically, every student stood up and asked: "What can we do?" ... And he replied with the same answer: "That's up to you..." He basically thinks we are long overdue for a social revolution.

[@rgbarnett1]

Nathan Robinson is one of the best we got. Long live Current Affairs! Need him to come around on the noble fight Ukraine continues to wage, though...

[@donnyng3526]

what right does US have to content other countries rise !??? 😂😂😂

[@stevenvonsancho]

How would two countries go to war when they are not only trade partners but are dependent on eachother economically cutting thee umbilical cord would deflate both nations fear is always used to scam more defense spending

[@bigchedds8389]

It's nice to see the occasional critical thinker who recognizes these countries aren't actually enemies. Although I will say both countries will happily sacrifice their blind collective for a variety of reasons (including war). Especially if that collective starts asking questions or demanding things they're not supposed to be asking or demanding for)

[@stevenvonsancho]

@bigchedds8389 I think war is just another form of trade i think Russia and Ukraine are doing business as well as Israel and Hamas i bet a green headband tells the IDF sniper "dont shoot this one" 🤣

[@bigchedds8389]

@stevenvonsancho agreed but blind Nationalism prevents most from seeing what in my opinion is obvious.

[@ZER0--]

Trump is in power now so anything could happen. Trump only cares about himself, and doesn't give a crap about America.

[@final_catalyst]

Well, look at how corporations will work with other companies they are dependent on for production. With infinite need for profit growth, and no regulations, eventually you are going to need to absorb the other companies to ensure profits are as high as possible. So with countries working together if they have hit the upper limit of what trade can provide eventually even the, normally only short term, profit seekers will take the temporary hit to get to raid the resources freely. Look to south America as examples of how various end results, short of fully absorbing the country its self, then the middle east has examples of boots on the ground to get things how they want.

[@thinkingtoomuch7974]

Americans can make a difference. Refuse to go to war that has enriched politicians since time immemorial.

[@oddvarolsen-kx9ud]

Did I just get baited with a picture of Chomsky? who are you guys and why should I spend my unrecoverable time ...here?

[@TheRealCornPop]

Nathan Robinson co-wrote Chomsky's latest book so he's sharing Chomsky's thoughts on this

[@branfrantheman]

Fallout 1 lore has the war with China beginning in 2066, with the bombs dropping 11 years later. We’re not far off; pretty eerie considering that the game was released in 1997

[@donyuan47]

well USA is run by oligarchs now. Russia is Oligarchy and China is Oligarchy. So there is no moral high ground.

[@jackshultz2024]

I don't know if China can be described as an oligarchy as my understanding of Chinese politics is quite limited. What I do know is that in the US , despite an enormous growth in the GDP, the average household income has been stagnant for the last 50 years, and for those with income in the lowest 20 percentile , real disposable income has decreased. Meanwhile in China real disposable household income has grown bu over 400% in 40 years, and since 2017, in terms of PPP, purchasing power parity, China has already surpassed the USA.

[@whensonzhou4174]

China have a rich oligarchy class, but they dont have overwhelming political power like the one in the US or Russia They have to fight/cooperate with the communist party for political power. The Party need rich's productivity, the rich need the party subsidies on infrastructure and public goods to compete globally.

[@Gusthebusisreal]

@@whensonzhou4174 woah, just like Russia.

[@kangbule]

@@jackshultz2024 I think China is just a one-party dictatorship. There is no business oligarchy in China. Jack Ma's business empire once pushed commercial loans to campuses, but it was quickly stopped by the government.

[@whensonzhou4174]

@@Gusthebusisreal Oligarch always works with government, the question is to which extent they wield political power, in that sense, US > Russia > China.

[@BigBroCook]

My copy of the book arrived in the mail today. Excited to read it!

[@holydoggo4822]

so early to the video Chomsky is still somehow alive

[@maxbrane]

The U.S. has 800 military bases around the world, China has two. Who's aggressive?

[@carlospwk]

which country would you prefer

[@KennethJLave]

I find it very concerning that there is such a terrible misunderstanding of the term "communism" throughout the globe.. Both China and Russia claim to be communist, but really they're authoritarian regimes. So now, the U.S. is hellbent on defending itself and its territories against Communism/Socialism/Marxism - ironically in the name of democracy. (Even though Marx' primary advocation was for democracy in the workplace.) This terrible misunderstanding is literally destroying our country from within.

[@JoeL-zb1yd]

The U.S. has corporate socialism. Profits are kept and losses are socialized on the backs of taxpayers.

[@BaneHydra]

This is nonsense. Russia does not claim to be communist, they use some Soviet imagery but that's where it ends. "Authoritarianism" in the case of China only means that the government has control over the private sector and not the other way around like in the West. The US is not "defending itself", it is aggressively fighting communism and has done so for as long as it has existed. It has a long history of overthrowing communist/socialist leaders in other countries and replacing them with fascists. They know exactly what communism means and they don't want it to exist. For them, any alternative to capitalism must be suppressed.

[@Theomite]

More than that, all they did was rebranding. China and Russia just used Communist aesthetics to revive their aging empires. They're imperialists at heart. You can't be an empire for 1,000 years and NOT incorporate imperialism in your everyday life.

[@scposeur]

Bereft is less. Don’t give up. But don’t just be optimistic. This interview captures all of that

[@agentxyz]

Chomsky back in the day tried to justify Russian-backed Pol Pot regime, dismissed Russian interference in Trump's first election, and recently praised Russia for its humane warfare tactics in Ukraine

[@stayfree870]

Chomsky sides with vaccines.

[@Cryosxify]

in other words any authoritarian government he's backing is definitely an enemy to worry about

[@wyganter]

He also warned if we invaded Iraq (first Gulf War), Saddam would ignite all the wellheads and the sun would be blocked by the smoke, resulting in something akin to nuclear winter. I was against both invasions of Iraq, but I remember Chomsky’s hyperbole.

[@Theomite]

I'm willing to believe this, but I need citations.

[@agentxyz]

until last week he was one of my heroes. it wasn't until just his comment about "humane" Russian war conduct ukraine compared to US wars, that i became suspicious enough to google. i had written off as age-related his nonsensical claim about 2020 election interference being just a mere distraction. unfortunately "Russia, Russia, Russia" with Taibbi's assistance became leftist dictum, even parroted by Sam and Kulinsky. But then to find out he was a Cambodian holocaust denier, it becomes much more sinister. he's probably either a true believer or long-term employee coopted to protect his legacy

[@HerpaDerpaZX]

China's rise to power was so American made, we wanted cheap labor and goods, and as usual we didn't think things out.

[@winsonip4447]

The US has been using strategic ambiguity regarding Taiwan issues for decades. In 2023, Wang Yi secretly met with Jake Sullivan in Europe, where Wang asked Sullivan to sign the Three Joint Communiqués, sentence by sentence, to reaffirm that 'all Chinese on either side of the Taiwan Strait maintain there is but one China and that Taiwan is a part of China... the United States government does not challenge that position.' Sullivan refused.

[@BSnicks]

I don't even know why some people still believe that Taiwan can become independent. The question is only, do Taiwanese want to survive or not. They know what to do, if they want to survive.

[@tinal8522]

​@@BSnicks The pro-war politican's love ones have moved out of Taiwan. They want the normal citizens to stay and fight.

[@Western_Decline]

The West think of Taiwan as the “Last Stand” against China, but they’re too stupid to realize China will surpass the U.S. in everything else even if Taiwan is never reunified.

[@djcmission]

"We have nothing to fear but Fear itself." FDR

[@normativesymbiosis3242]

Chomsky, the geopolitics expert LOL

[@JDean-vh5dz]

As a Jingoist and Christian Nationalist I totally disagree with anything that challenges my beliefs and my divine right to express those beliefs using whatever force i have been authorized to use by my creator.

[@shriveax]

I must’ve gotten transported to a parallel universe in the Fallout world

[@criticalLocus]

Man, I have been waiting days for Noam to comment on the current "situation".

[@eddyg4742]

5:13 "it's true that Taiwan is under threat from an authoritarian government in China" We see how torn our society is, how big the wealth gap is, how much control the wealthy have over our media narratives, economy, finance, and politics, yet we continue to judge China the way we do despite having a political system that's flawed. China has lifted hundreds of millions out of absolute poverty. Their living standards have been steadily improving. Who are we to say Taiwan's return to China is a threat ?

[@PhonyMcC]

Hey, I live in Taiwan. I see it as a pretty big threat. Also we never left China so we don't have to return. We are the Republic of China. They are the Peoples Republic of China. We are both China. If it wasn't for people like you we would live in peace as two parts of the same family. That's the real truth.

[@vzy3680]

​@@PhonyMcC台湾每年从中国大陆得到1500亿美元贸易顺差，然而台湾人称这是威胁？你们是否精神错乱了？

[@NutshellD-sm3qc]

Will you guys finally get Sachs or Mearsheimer on this show. Don't be fucking cowards.

[@democrazy69]

Who?

[@eustatic3832]

Why have Mearsheimer. Dude has been wrong about everything tired of hearing about that dude

[@NutshellD-sm3qc]

@@eustatic3832 get your head out of the sand

[@thewielloyd988]

Or even Pepe Escobar who Michael Brooks had on TMBS quite a few times.

[@johnsegelke4385]

​@@eustatic3832 Mearsheimer said the following in 2015: "The West is leading Ukraine down the primrose path and the end result is that Ukraine is going to get wrecked." How right he was.

[@Re-AttachedRetina]

Sam, what you were talking about is called Pascal’s Wager. Blaise Pascal said that, given the consequences of being an atheist if God exists, wouldn’t it be better to believe in God just so you wouldn’t face those terrible consequences? Some Christian apologists view this as a strong argument for belief in God; I’m among those who view it as one of the worst for its bleakly utilitarian and authoritarian suppositions.

[@aeophylus]

American TikTok refugees beginning to wake up to how much better living standards Chinese folks enjoy.Aghast also by the same US corn selling in China for 6RMB / Kg when US consumers are paying the same in USD !

[@TheEvolver311]

Only the middle and upperclasses China still has levels of poverty unimaginable to most people born and raised in the USA

[@aison2735]

@@TheEvolver311 NO

[@TheEvolver311]

@@aison2735 you don't know shit from applebutter

[@Western_Decline]

@@TheEvolver311lol. You need to visit rural America some time. The UN did and found shocking poverty.

[@TheEvolver311]

@Western_Decline I've been to rural America and wasn't anyone burning lumps of coal in their homes for heat. Much like in America China has massive divisions in quality of life for people of different socioeconomic classes, their bottom is lower than ours.

[@cosmo8771]

It's projections, the fear that a power will do to us what we do to others, it's always projection

[@user_user1337]

Chomsky ain't even in the video.

[@Superstumpgrinder64]

Chomsky can no longer speak publicly unfortunately. He suffered a stroke a few years ago and is also over 90 years old.

[@s_anandsurya]

China is not a threat to the US. The US is just largely insecure about how poor its infrastructure is despite being the richest country in the world.

[@chadthechad4365]

You’re not very smart are you

[@informativem5248]

What are the odds? 1929 economic crash / depression 1933 holocaust 1939 war 1945 new weapon 2029 economic crash / depression 2033 holocaust 2039 war 2045 new weapon Couldn't be too far off.

[@democrazy69]

Except this time there will be no recovery, because the planet is out of shit to loot.

[@zzzT.]

The crash will happen sooner than 2029. The trump and Melania meme coins are proof of a massive bubble and the 1% extracting as much wealth as possible before. On top of that, severe climate change is about to wreck real unchangeable havoc while the gobmint is in serious debt. 🤠

[@samanthajones4877]

@@democrazy69I’d say we would all be irradiated and not care about looting.

[@MissRed92837]

Europe and Russia are siding with China and concentrating on doing more trading with China and less trading with the USA.

[@chadthechad4365]

Who do you think Australia will side with? Americans keep forgetting about that

[@Leftiticus_Maximus_III]

Doesn't Emma get to say anything?

[@wowcarnage]

Sugar or milk?

[@blafonovision4342]

All nations want to maintain and increase their own power. Why the objection? Every nation does that.

[@millabasset1710]

Dude, Chomsky sounds like he has 10,000 breaths left before he's gone.

[@jaymask7446]

The missiles in Cuba were an act of aggression back in 62.

[@ratxart]

Fix America first!

[@XSpiegel]

Without promoting escalation, ask Hong Kongnese, Tibetan, Uygur, and even the majority of Taiwanese whether China(CCP) is a threat...

[@jstone85]

I live in HK and I really didn't see any threat from our government

[@stayfree870]

A normal average person wouldn't hit all those official western narratives, but intelligent agency trolls would do that.

[@XSpiegel]

@@jstone85 spoken like a true mainlander

[@XSpiegel]

@@stayfree870 Hong Kongers, Tibetans. Uygurs and Taiwanese would and HAVE begged to differ on your weak attempts at CCP talking points.

[@jstone85]

@@XSpiegel so what? you Fascist.

[@caneyebus]

Ive followed Nathan since he started Current Affairs. Dude has always been on point.

[@lawliet6910]

Not fond of Chinas treatment of Uyghur but so exhausted of countries wanting citizens to fight each other. How about no

[@reallymakesyouthink]

What don't you like about the treatment of Uyghurs?

[@elext9q]

it's very hard finding unbiased information about china, especially about the uyghurs

[@MasterAdam100]

But we know, objectively, about what China is doing with its Uyghers.

[@reallymakesyouthink]

@MasterAdam100 providing a high standard of living. This upsets you?

[@jstone85]

The growth rate of population of in Uyghur is the highest over the last 20 years.

[@AbyssalMelody]

Hey remember when chomsky met with jeffery epstein, and then told reporters it "wasn't anyone's business" what they talked about? Pepperidge Farm Remembers

[@SomethingImpromptu]

This isn’t quite as symmetrical as the “security dilemma” framing would have you believe… Yes, the US PUBLIC is always told that anything we do is defensive, & always a crucial issue of “national security.” But in reality, the U.S. imperial planners, the president, & so on- they know what they’re doing. They didn’t invade Grenada or Nicaragua or Iraq or Afghanistan or wherever because they genuinely believed that if they didn’t, the US would be invaded, or would collapse, or whatever. They know they’re engaged in aggression. They know they’re planning global imperial hegemony, i.e. world domination- their entire post-WWII geopolitical strategy is to prevent ANY other country from becoming a superpower capable of rivaling the US, which could prevent us from having total unilateral power to impose & enact whatever is most profitable to the US-based ruling class everywhere on the planet… We didn’t build that global empire “defensively,” & we aren’t finalizing & maintaining it “defensively.” We are actively encircling & preparing to do “regime change” to the last few governments on the planet that are still independent & not just puppets/clients of US empire. Syria was next up. We got Turkey to knock Syria over & install Islamists with connections to Turkey (a US client, much like Israel or Saudi Arabia). Iran is one they’ve been building up to for a long time (the “seven countries in five years” planned for overthrow by PNAC, as identified in the infamous memo from Sec. “Def.” Rumsfeld were long seen as “stepping stones to Iran…” And it took a lot more than 5 years, but between the US & Israel & Turkey & Saudi Arabia, they’ve pretty much all been subjugated, laying the groundwork for the war with Iran they’ve been salivating for, for all these years. And obviously, Russia & China are the ultimate prizes- the potential superpowers this has all been building up towards (maybe India if their BRICS status ends up meaning they get too uncomfortably close to Russia & China, though frankly the U.S. is quite happy with a neoliberal ethnonationalist fascist like Modi, so as long as he plays ball with US corporations & undermined labor rights, I suspect that, like with the Turkish government, they’ll give him a little leeway to play to both sides of the geopolitical landscape). In any case, this is why we are encircling Russia (via NATO expansion FAR past where we promised it would halt, right up to Russia’s borders- which, to be clear, doesn’t mean Putin’s invasion of Ukraine is fine, & his reactionary nationalistic rationale is unjustifiable- but both things can be wrong), & that’s why we are encircling China, patrolling in their side of the Pacific, backing Taiwan to the hilt even if it leads to WWIII, engaging in this stupid mutually-destructive trade war against them, & so on. So there’s a rather extreme disparity between our continuous worldwide imperial aggression, which the perpetrators are perfectly conscious of, & the “defensive” rhetoric they feed to the public to keep people on board when most Americans don’t WANT to be aggressing against the rest of the world. On the other hand, China (& Iran) has ACTUALLY maintained a pretty defensive foreign policy posture. I mean, we can talk about Taiwan (whatever you think about it, that’s kind of special case, like if Texas declared independence from the US again- quite different from just installing puppet governments on the other side of the planet- & the reasons the US is so committed to Taiwanese independence aren’t exactly savory), but outside of that very localized dispute, China has mainly expanded its sphere of influence by much more diplomatic & trade based means, compared to U.S. military imperialism. They have their own domestic issues, undoubtedly, but the idea they clearly would prefer to have a peaceful, prosperous trade relationship with the US, just as they’ve developed with Europe (because Europe hasn’t been hostile towards them as the US has, because Europe no longer has ambitions towards global imperial domination- they aren’t dead set on turning China into yet another client state in their orbit, & China clearly doesn’t desire to start anything. So in China’s case, the PR image the people are fed is not as different from the actual policies the CCP is implementing, foreign-policy-wise. So the “security dilemma” narrative is only really true as far as how the general populations of these countries perceive the situation… Americans THINK they’re being defensive, just as China is. But in reality, the US is engaged in aggression on a massive scale, & if you actually look at what prominent neocon/neoliberal think tanks & the like openly discuss, it’s not a secret that they have a very long-standing interest in “regime change” in China, which implies aggression. Hell, the more extreme ones question whether we should pre-emptively nuke China, or North Korea, or Russia, or Iran (they just really want to nuke someone). Whereas I’ve NEVER heard of any significant Chinese organization throwing such psychopathic ideas around.

[@yasminea7149]

Best comment on here! I stated something similar but in a much shorter version.

[@conninator2000]

So i guess fallout is cannon? Give me some time to collect bottle caps and inhalers so I can dwell in my bathtub in peace

[@TacticalMayo]

Oh yes, it's absolutely Canon. It's the game that I'm playing right now. For some reason it's as if prophetic.

[@jstone85]

After few days accommodating refugees from US, Chinese parents are now teaching their kids to eat their full meals as most American kids are starving at home nowl.

[@TacticalMayo]

No, we are not. That's an absolute lie.

[@橘子皮-j9i]

A young American woman said on Xiaohongshu that she used to go to school and need to feed her children, so she sold her blood to get $750. The $750 is also subject to tax. I could scarcely believe my eyes that the tragedy that once happened in impoverished China could happen today in the United States.

[@TacticalMayo]

@@橘子皮-j9i It would never happen in the US

[@橘子皮-j9i]

@@TacticalMayo I don't know if it's real, this video can be found on Xiaohongshu. Who you and your fellow citizens say is true?Whereas, your laws don't prosecute robberies below a certain amount of money are unbelievable. I'm leaning towards the latter.

[@jstone85]

@@TacticalMayo we saw that with our own eyes, you bot from US

[@Newton-Reuther]

I'm sure he also said that Epstein wasn't a threat.

[@godsend2297]

And that there wasn't a genocide in Cambodia.And won't acknowledge Russia's Genocide in Ukraine.Zizek&Vlexler for better(sane) takes on Russian genocide in Ukraine. Chomsky is the left's Jordan Peterson.I use to love him,but it's all over now.

[@wordscapes5690]

The difference between Chinese spying and American spying is HUGE. One country is an open tourist destination with freedom of speech, permeable borders, and is culturally and racially diverse. China is a fascist hegemony based on racial theory and tight border and social controls. I’ll let you guess which country invites easier spying.

[@jstone85]

Are you still living in 2000?

[@MaxStormz]

This is so delusional it's kinda sad.

[@trappedinamerica7740]

Is this the new excuse trump will use to take away liberties? “ Only a fascist nations secrets are safe, so we have to…”

[@whensonzhou4174]

Fascist? U mean US?

[@jackshultz2024]

I guess you don't know that China is open to tourists. Europeans can travel through China for 30 days without a visa. Also China sent about 130 million tourists to destinations in Asia, Africa and Europe, and all return without defecting to the West. Meanwhile, with the new laws against companies like TikToc, it will soon become illegal for Americans to use a VPN to access foreign internet sites banned by the US government.

[@dawnfmEnthusiast]

Chomsky in the thumbnail looking like Sam in great grandpa form.

[@davin1287]

Yikes, tons of ignorance in these comments

[@user-wb8mp9by9f]

Enlighten us.

[@Douglas.Scott.McCarron]

Another not very big insight from Chomsky

[@lonelyavatar]

Sounds like Chinese propaganda.

[@user-wb8mp9by9f]

Better than American propaganda.

[@lonelyavatar]

@user-wb8mp9by9f is it? I guess, if you support the Chinese communist party. Neither are very good atm, unfortunately. ✌️

[@jonstrickland4848]

Not going to lie, I'd struggle to care considering the fascist country we are living in today. I'd hate to see innocents harmed but ....I'll just remain silent.

[@johnniiee146]

Right, because china's so innocent in all this give me a break 🙄

[@CaptainCamellot]

The US didn't object to Cuba receiving aid from the Soviet Union. We objected to the installation of nuclear warheads. China threatened Taiwan with an invasion, so the US offered to help with their defenses. Apples and oranges.

[@Western_Decline]

if China sent Cuba weapons to defend itself against U.S. aggression, how would we respond?

[@CaptainCamellot]

@Western_Decline if the US flew military jets over Cuba every day and staged military exercises in their waters and publicly announced that Cuba was the property of the US. I'd say Cuba was defending its sovereignty with help from China.