Choosing the best Plugouts for your Roland System-8

[@InterstellarMedium]

Thanks, very nice video! I find the Plug-out concept brilliant and Roland's reproductions of their legendary synths (down to the actual individual electronic components) sound perfect (to my humble ears). The ACB plug-ins are beasts that require a lot of processing power (as you can see in Ableton for example) but the System-8 handles them as plug-outs absolutely flawlessly. I love all the originally loaded plug-outs of the System-8, but was pleasantly surprised by the Juno-60 plug-out. Besides the two (60/106 filters, the arpeggiator is different: The Juno-60 can span 3 octaves (like on the Boutique JU-06A). Whereas the Juno-106 (and JX-3P) can only span 2; but they do have step control (that the 60 is missing). I also got a System-1m and my favorite plug-out for it is the System-100. However, I am not familiar at all with modular synths (beyond producing psychedelic sounds through basic self-patching). It would be fantastic if you could do a video sometime on how to use the System-100 to produce classic modular synth sounds. Merci encore pour tes superbes vidéos!

[@Nu-trix]

Thanks for all the good words. I’ll try to make a video about modular synth using the SH-100 plugout.

[@christopherroberts5340]

Thank you so much for this! It was extremely beneficial.

[@nexuzeb79]

I agree, Roland, make that s-100 boutique already!! Haven't considered the sh-2 but sounds lovely indeed :) Nice vid again, Luc :)

[@CWAdventures1968]

I've chosen the Jupiter 4(awesome)..The System 100(awesome)and the Juno 60..I've binned the Jupiter 8,106 and JX..best decision I've made..it's taken my System 8 to New level.

[@FOODFORESTFARMER]

Colin, could I ask since I cannot find this information anywhere, since you binned the original plugouts, does that mean they are gone forever or do they come back when you factory reset the System 8? Also, if you cancel your Roland Cloud membership does that mean the licences you rented are no longer valid? Sorry I didn't;t mean this to be a support question but struggling to find the right information. Cheers Ray

[@CWAdventures1968]

@@FOODFORESTFARMER if you do a factory reset you get the original 3 plug outs..I got roland cloud free for 30 day's then cancelled it after installing the Jupiter 4 and system 100..I doubt I will do a factory reset though..cheers

[@MatthewTomich]

It's funny how the Jupiter 4 - the earlier model - is more interesting than the Jupiter 8! Same thing with the Juno 60 vs. the Juno 106, and the SH-100 vs the SH-101.

[@dannystephenson4957]

@@CWAdventures1968 Which membership trial pack did you try then cancel ie: Pro or Ultimate?

[@SlowBloke123]

JP4 has to be in there for me - imo its the best one.

[@ohheyitskevinc]

I’m 4 months into my Play 4 Life Cloud membership and have 2 lifetime keys to choose, but I find I’m “plugging-out” to my System-8 those that use a ridiculous amount of CPU on my M1 Mac and not necessarily those I’ll wish to keep at the end of the year. I’ve already decided I’ll keep the JD-800 which isn’t a plug-out - just not sure about the second lifetime key.. as for which I’ll use on the System-8.. Jupiter 8, JX-3P and probably Juno 60. Ps I count Omnisphere as a System-8 plug-out and just drag around my old, light 12” 2016 MacBook :)

[@RobertSaintJohn]

I have been begging BEGGING for a SYSTEM-100 based Boutique (and I already have the full set!). Imagine how deliriously fun it would be to have a patchable, special two-unit Boutique and stand that replicated the functionality and sound of the 101-104 🤯 I am, however, very grateful for the extraordinary plugout version. Also, it sounds as if we chose the same plugouts for the S8. Juno-60 is a lovely alternative to the 106, and SH-2 earns a permanent spot on the S8 alongside its poly brethren

[@Nu-trix]

I’m on the watch for an affordable System-1m. It would be an alternative for the modular SH-100 plugout.

[@RobertSaintJohn]

@@Nu-trix Still worth it at a good price. You can see here how I “dressed mine up” to make it *almost* a SYSTEM-100 Boutique 😄 kzbin.info/www/bejne/o33Ml4N6Z6iFeLc

[@rayderrich]

Hard choices, but you make good points. Thanks.

[@HatchetHarry]

Great video! I’m absorbing all this information, still new to all this, would of got into it a lot sooner if only i didn’t become a heroin addict and sell all my gear. Nearly 10 years clean and i’ve started to built a collection back up. I first started with the Roland Aira range, TR8S, MX 1, TB 3 and the System 1 which i noticed is a plug out so could i potentially use what’s on the cloud using the System 1, using the editor? When i heard you say it depends what you’ve got in your studio and what you want to do, i want to do melodic trance, synth wave and some trance classics. I’ve also got the Akai MPC Force, Korg Modwave, Yamaha AN1x, Novation Mininova, Roland JD XI, SH 201 and the Korg Kaoss Pad KP3. I know to link them all up i would need to set the MIDI clocks to each individual channel, what’s the best way to do this? Am i right in saying i’ll need something like the Kenton MIDI thru 12? Or will i need alot more? I’m aware at least 2 of my synths have been featured on bad gear 🤣

[@jamestillman5247]

Good on you for getting clean. I don't know you but I'm proud of you. Keep it up!

[@dynho_b]

My choice was exactly yours: JP-8, JU-60 and SH-2. But now there is the Jupiter 4 which has to be on board. But what slot shall I ditch in favour of the new one? Probably I let the SH-2 go. I mean the JP-4 has polyphony and when used in Unison mode it will turn into quite a beast. Decisions, decisions ...

[@Nu-trix]

I’ll test the Jupiter 4 this week. It might change my selection.

[@Zebulon94]

Hi . Thank you for this video, It helped me a little in my choice of plug-out👍 I just bought a System 8, it's a wonderful machine (with lots of flaws but I like it). I had a few questions: If I reset the synth, I assume the plug-outs will return to their original place and version? Does a global backup record plug-out data (updates or plug-outs installed in the different slots) or do we have to go through the "Roland cloud" for any changes? THANKS

[@deep6293]

I had jp8 / juno 106 / sh 100... I changed the jp 4 for the sh 100 (because it wasn't that good to use on the system 8 anyway). But I will switch the juno 106 for the sh 2 now. I like the pwm sounds of the sh2.

[@Octopus_9600]

Hi Nu-Trix, I just bought a new System-8, the 3 plug-outs are installed by default but did you receive license keys for the plug-outs (jup8 jun106 en jx3p ) with your purchase? I have only the manual and the orange card with code to register the system-8 on "my gear" but noting about the plug-out/plugins in the box... Thanks

[@andivax]

Thank you! Did you compare System-8 sound with Plug Out plugins? I have heard that System-8 has FPGA and sounds different. Is it true?

[@Nu-trix]

I did compare them. I don’t hear a difference when mixed down. I can hear a difference when using a less demanding synth algorithm on the plugin version. But no noticeable difference when bouncing the mix.

[@undercrownhiphop9422]

Can you tell what hardware synth or plugins was used for the insane saw bass in the track ZHU lost it?

[@ufo-ghost963]

I have the system 8 and hardly have used it. I am finding it hard to find where to get addon plugouts for it. Is it on Roland cloud? When I first got the synth roland gave me a free plugout, I can't even remember what one, maybe SH2 so I downloaded it and put the file on a chip to then put in the system 8 and the chip fell inside the synth haha. I was lucky and was able to retrieve the chip. After that I have never tried getting any new plugout files. Roland's cloud and website is quite convoluted and confusing. Still can't find any actual plugout addons to get in the first place to even try and upgrade

[@HalfGodHalfBeast]

they have jupiter 4 now. I'm wishing for the jupiter 6 soon

[@fabimawn]

With the System 100 is it still possible to map some of these patching controls to an external midi controller that are unreachable in the interface? I can't find any midi sheets for the System 100 for when it's in the System 8 plugout apart from the original midi maps for the System 8.

[@Nu-trix]

I think the plugout will be limited to what the system 8 can receive (midi wise).

[@fabimawn]

​@@Nu-trix Thanks for your quick response!!! I found a post which explains you can actually change the pin matrix via the sub menu, I might try that out once I have the trial version of Roland cloud

[@MrRafalSC]

Does System 8 have a capacity of 64 patches/program on each Plug out? System 8 + 3 x Plug Out = 64 patches x 4 ? = total 256 patches ??

[@Nu-trix]

Exactly

[@johnghadimi]

I was about to ask the same thing. Need to be very selected with those patches.

[@raffaelesantabarbara1449]

Roland made something (plug out) singular. And yet, there are a looot of people complaining about everything Roland is doing. From the Roland cloud all the way down to their new hardware units. Idk 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@andivax]

That GUI, preset browser... Awful. But the sound is great 💛💙

[@n.l.541]

If i have the real Susyem-8, what can i do with it inside the Roland Cloud? Only a couple of plugout synths or some other integrations?

[@Nu-trix]

You can use the same ACB plugin (Legendary) as plugout in your System-8 hardware synth.

[@greg-hunter]

I have dropped the Jupiter 8 from a slot and replaced it with the Jupiter 4. It sounds far superior to my ears

[@Nu-trix]

The Jupiter 4 has replace the Jx-3p in mine.

[@payt01]

@@Nu-trix Same here. Somehow the JX-3p plugout sounds kindof dull compared to the real thing. So now I have the JP-8 (essential!), Juno 106 and JP4

[@MrEMann]

I think you sold me on the system 8...my ears are 😊, my wallet is 😞

[@dannystephenson4957]

Just wasted £110 on a plug-in which I thought was a plug-out using a license key. I'm assuming you only get the plug-out version if you choose one of the free trial membership options?

[@Nu-trix]

If you buy a plugin that is a plugout, the single plugin will do both. To verify that you have a compatible device, in the Roland Cloud Manager select the hardware (system-1 for exemple) and only the compatible plugout should be listed.

[@dannystephenson4957]

@Nu-trix I just bought a brand new System-8 only last week, awesome machine however I wanted the juno 60 plugout to replace the JX-3P. Once logged into my roland cloud account I registered a paid for system-8 lifetime key thinking I could download any plug-out for the system-8 only. So I selected Hardware/syntherizer/system-8. The only plugin I was able to download was the system-8 plug-in all the others plugins had the shopping cart $$$. Once download and installed the daw found the system-8 plugin. Up it flashed on the screen but no plugout option just a standalone vst. So from this I gather its a life time download with updates and maybe expansion patch for this vst only on PC?

[@solomonmickens2318]

hey Nu Trix do you have a link or know exactly where i can get those Color KNOBS AND FADERS

[@Nu-trix]

I got them directly from Roland. I don’t think they have any left.

[@n.l.541]

Can i ask an off topic question? How do u clean dust on your setup and how often?) I have also a lot of gears and this question makes me crazy)

[@Nu-trix]

I have a dust brush and a lint free cloth that I use when ever I feel like it.

[@tomc7299]

Could you do a walk through on how to install plug outs in to system 8 with out a daw ????

[@Nu-trix]

I don’t think you can. These are plugins that can be transferred in a dedicated hardware synth (plugout). I have not see a stand alone plugout.

[@jansonrawlings8169]

@@Nu-trix along with Tom’s question, can plugouts be stored into the SD card in the system 8 to transfer them without a computer?

[@Nu-trix]

@@jansonrawlings8169 no, if you want to swap the plugout inside the system-8, you need the plugin. Maybe you can save a backup on a card? I’ll have to test it.

[@deep6293]

You could use a program called savihost3x64

[@tomc7299]

@@deep6293 thanks but I got zen beats on now and it works...loads of problems in cubase

[@danjacobson9881]

Im thinking it might be worth it to own 2 System 8s.......

[@Nu-trix]

I Would buy a System-1M that also modular but does not support all the Plugout.

[@thegroove2000]

It ironic that not one of their roland vsti synths capture that analog sound.

[@Nu-trix]

It seams that we are not on the same page on that topic.

[@thegroove2000]

@@Nu-trix So your claming roland analog VSTi intruments sound like the hardware by capturing the analog sound?.

[@thegroove2000]

@@Nu-trix What do you think overall of UAD and others that claim to sound like the analog hardware they model. Do you believe they capture the actual analog sound? .

[@Nu-trix]

I can’t answer for UAD plugins I’m not using them) but from friends who are using them, they seam to be close enough to to recreated the same overall audio signature. In the case of the System-8, I really love the analog signature of it.

[@thegroove2000]

@@Nu-trix Kool.

[@s.gharavi1614]

My issue is that 3 slots is ridiculously limiting. It's an unnecessary restriction that makes the System 8 not worth it.

[@drydessert4198]

11:29

[@n.l.541]

I have exact thoughts on my System-8. But Plug-out concept makes me feel uncomfortable because it creates feeling of using software than hardware.

[@djangofett4879]

all digital synths are essentially a plug-in with a dedicated computer in a box. i see people complain about thay like youre doing and its just a really dumb complaint. it makes you uncomfortable 😂. Who cares what is under the hood. what does it sounds like is what matters. even just complaining that system 8 doesnt look as nice as an old jupiter or juno would be a much more valid complaint than "oh no.... it run on da software!!!"

[@Ostin3232]

In my opinion, it's only good midi controller, all synth have vst plugin version! In reveb 1500$ omg, sorry dude, i buy Virus TI incredible mashine of all time!

[@RockmannMusic]

The System 8 takes the processor load off the computer caused by hungry Roland VST's otherwise . The System 8 is a fully independent instrument. The Virus TI is fabulous so is the System 8