Bad Gear - Roland System-8

[@AudioPilz]

Audiopilz: *slaps roof of YT channel* Full Tracks, Extended Jams, Sample Packs: www.patreon.com/audiopilz

[@pleasure1689]

The is one thing that really kills me about some of Roland's newer synths. The sound modeling system they use is called Zenology. You can use this this with any DAW for $20 a month. Essentially this makes purchasing a $1500 Usd keyboard pointless.

[@skeletonmodel]

Im looking to sell my Waldorf Micro-Q. Could you please make an episode about that? You kinda drove up the prices on the oberheim I was looking at, so it would be fair ;)

[@darrelldourte9455]

I don't think he "checked all the boxes" in this demo. Love your work...quite the tunesmith also.

[@bugetraver]

Hallo Audiopilz, ich schreibe 😊 hier auf Deutsch, da mein Englisch is Not very good😅. Verfolge deinen Kanal, fast seit dem Anfang und wollte Dir mal ein Riesenlob für den Kanal aussprechen. Niemand sonst hier, auf KZbin schafft es Hardware, Humor und tolle Sounds zu einem so stimmigen und unterhaltsamen Ganzen zu zaubern. Ich hoffe du knackst bald die 100000 Abos und bringst und dann ein 12 Stunden Set, mit allen jemals getesten Geräten. Liebe Grüße vom Kaiserstuhl

[@rabmccudden683]

Can u have a look at the JT-4000m & the Access Virus please

[@AJOrpheo]

I love how every time the show starts you got that huge ear to ear smile. Because who can't smile when a new fun weird synth is in front of you!

[@AudioPilz]

So happy to hear that, thanks!!!

[@kenfusion]

I like the increased jams in the episode . Despite the downsides it seems that you had fun exploring it . Great show 😊

[@AudioPilz]

Thank you so much!!!

[@fmartins777]

System 8 is the most underrated Roland synth ever. It's a beast and keep receiving updates from Roland.

[@AudioPilz]

👍👍👍

[@CatmanJimbo]

What updates has it gotten? No snark, legitimately curious as I’ve almost gone for one of these several different times

[@ronanbax6102]

​@@CatmanJimbopretty sure the (pseudo) FM update was the biggest update to the engine to date.

[@Ambientnauts]

Does it have channel aftertouch now?

[@ronanbax6102]

@@Ambientnauts 99% sure it does not. The closest thing you get is an expression pedal input that can only control volume

[@Visionism]

I absolutely love the System 8. Fell in love with it on Roland Cloud. Superb sounding synth. I'm also one of the three people in the world who likes Roland's Aira green and black vibe.

[@AudioPilz]

I've grown accustomed to the green by now too;)

[@fatheroflies]

I've loved cheesy black and bright green since I was a kid. My aspie brain would love the whole world to look like that

[@digitalcommandos303]

4 people ;)

[@jaderington]

I quite like it now. Its not too bad when you own it in real life. I have a system 1

[@digitalcommandos303]

I have the system 1….. would love the 8 as well. Is the keybed more synthy than the system 1? Keys are horrible on that.

[@synthetic24]

Finally, the best synthesizer in the world on Bad Gear

[@AudioPilz]

Bald claim;)

[@MT-mt8bd]

Walk tall, speak the truth.

[@ScottsSynthStuff]

This synth is being used by touring musicians everywhere. Howard Jones has three of them on stage. Heaven 17 has used it on stage for years. Jean Michel Jarre uses one extensively. Among MANY others...so it can't be all that bad. Sure wish it had more patch storage though.

[@AudioPilz]

Yeah, 64 slots aren't that much...

[@ScottsSynthStuff]

@ghost mall I agree. I love the sound of it, but there are some boneheaded Roland design choices (particularly in its ridiculous MIDI implementation) that make me wish for...well, more.

[@godzil42]

@@AudioPilz At least with an SD card it is quite fast at banking them in/out, but yeah it is limite :'(

[@jdmjesus6103]

I lent a keyboard and synth to a member of heaven 17 once, she helped inspire me to start using them again.

[@GizzyDillespee]

Many of those Roland Artists are called that for a reason tho, and the synths' premium pricing helps support that system (which is fine with me).

[@Max16032]

I truly believe the System-8 was the peak of the Aira franchise, not in terms of sucess but rather wasted potential. Their train of thought was: "Let's bring our classics synths back in a new, flashy way" > "People are unimpressed?! Why?? Well, let's give them "authentic" feel with the Boutiques!" > "What?! People wanted full-size, 8-voice synths all along? Ugh, fine." > "Whatever, just release the Jupiter-X"

[@AudioPilz]

True that!!!

[@sub-jec-tiv]

‘We need to male sure the structure of patches is completely insane though, because if it were easy to use it might be fun.’

[@vmppvm8763]

I actually think it would look pretty cool if it was just RGB instead of all green. The plastic case sucks for a "flagship" synth though.

[@dankeplace]

Jupiter X is a failure in its own way, you should never have to menu dive if you have a proper surface control, this is where the X falls down hard. ACB is better than Zencore in some ways too. In both instances, tRoland got both interfaces wrong, yet again.

[@gabepollack8382]

If only they had released the Jupiter-X w/ ACB instead of ABM or came out with a System 8 that was five octave and of a more professional look + construction. or ACB boutiques that were maybe a bit larger with quarter-outs and the number of voices it says in the damn name. or made more original great sounding synths that aren't always somewhere on the spectrum between do it all workstation and toys cashing in on nostalgia for the past. they really know not what they are doing with their synth line.

[@AMikeOnLine]

I've had my System 8 for about 3 months and i love it. I'm no expert in this field but i've had a few synths. I started with a Yamaha Motif XS6 which sounded great but was very complicated to program. The system 8 is very straight forward and it's easy to create very complex sounds. I've made some truly amazing sounding patches, sounds that i have never heard before which i find exiting. The only downside for me is saving your patches over writes the pre-sets. No big deal as long as you back up everything to SD card. Also i would have liked a built in Drum kit and a large colour screen. Apart from that it is a very capable and addictive machine. I would recommend it to anyone beginner or pro.

[@AudioPilz]

👍👍👍

[@mrz80]

Would the loss of the presets be that big a deal? One thing Roland has been notorious for is having presets that by and large do nothing to showcase what you can wring out of the instrument.

[@drindy5166]

I could live with this piece of gear and be happy for a long time. Great video brother!!! 🔥👊🧡👍🔥

[@AudioPilz]

Thank you!!!

[@theriveryeti2426]

Agreed! That thing sounds amazing (and was played amazingly).

[@calculus77]

I really dig your inspiring jams on the "bad" gear. Thank You!

[@AudioPilz]

Hey, thank you so much for the support!!!

[@zanderxymox]

I'll be so happy once you hit 100k subs, you deserved it way sooner with how much work you've put into all these videos. It's definitely my favorite series on YT for music hardware :)

[@AudioPilz]

Thank you so much!!! Working on it!!!

[@helisoma]

there with you...get the word out and let's get this channel the love it deserves 😎👍🏻

[@garyhendrie4001]

Absolutely agree. Fantastic channel that ticks all the right boxes.

[@subiesojourner777]

The only YT channel I watch on my laptop with my finger hovering over the space bar so I cant stop the video to see all the added pics. 😁

[@AudioPilz]

😀😀😀

[@Johnsys359]

Here's an idea for a Patreon perk: include a meme pack featured in the episode. ( Because they flash so fast that one must rewatch and pause for full effect)

[@AudioPilz]

Great idea, thanks!!!

[@SlaserX]

Pleeeeease make this. The jams are dope, but most of us are living for those memes ❤

[@obshaky]

@@SlaserX agreed. These memes are perfectly usable elsewhere with minor lazy modifications.

[@denovaire]

Super idea!

[@stepans2167]

Omg this is gold. Pleeeeeease

[@brandonharris9160]

A lot of the sounds you are getting out of this synth are absolutely incredible and surpass the greatness of more expensive and more world-renowned synths. Fucking legend

[@AudioPilz]

Thank you so much!!!

[@PleasantDiversion]

Another space filled on my "My Bad Gear" bingo card. I love owning things from this list. A good keybed with aftertouch would have taken this one from great to awesome.

[@AudioPilz]

Congrats!!!

[@ericpeters0n]

I honestly think this thing just gets hated on because it's so hideously ugly. It always sounds pretty damn good to me, and I'm a mostly-pointlessly-analog-purist these days...

[@mrz80]

Aftertouch, and a lower price on the used-gear-vulture marketplace :D

[@mrz80]

@@ericpeters0n I can't go with "hideously ugly." I'll take the Aira-esque Matrix-meets-modern-music black and green over the JD-Xa's all hands to action stations we're under attack red :P.

[@prospectnyc]

I love my System 8, especially because of the ACB plug outs. Your criticisms are on point. I wish Roland would make a version 2 of this thing with better build quality and more expansive ACB capabilities. The ZenCore stuff is fine but not as sonically interesting as their ACB stuff.

[@AudioPilz]

Thank you! I'm afraid the focus is on ZEN now

[@SlaserX]

100%, with more keys, after touch, and more plug outs at least.

[@minimal3734]

To my ears ZenCore is inferior to ACB.

[@mrz80]

@@AudioPilz Yep, pretty much everything coming out of Roland nowadays is "How many different ways can we neuter the ZEN code base and how many different sizes and shapes of boxes can we hide it in before they stop spending their money here?" :|

[@antonyfaulkner8649]

LOL. Roland should be paying you. The System 8 popularity just went through the roof. Love your videos... best quick gear demo/reviews on the Web.

[@AudioPilz]

Thank you so much!!!

[@h2o1969]

This is the truth. I never really thought about it, but he really goes deep quick, and I feel balanced and honest with the pros and cons. A lot of the time, I feel the show should be called "It Could Have Been Better Gear". Not very catchy though.

[@valuemastery]

Wow, this thing sounds good! And I love the 100% knob per function. 😍

[@AudioPilz]

😀😀😀

[@alex_darsen]

Oh man! You finally got one of my pieces of gear! I was able to land a used System 8 in excellent condition for a great price, and I bought it primarily for the plug outs. I figured that’s the closest I’d be able to get to a Jupiter 8. It has a 106 and a JX3P on board too, and I was happy. What made me happier was several months after my acquisition, Roland released a Juno 60 plug out. I couldn’t download it faster! Replaced the 106 and now finally have that J60 sound back in my rig. I sold my J60 decades ago and regretted it since about 3 weeks later. So the ACB version is a good substitute. I actually don’t like the Aira sound engine, but after watching this, I might get into it more. Thanks!

[@AudioPilz]

Big ACB fan here!!!

[@mrz80]

Everyone who sold a Juno back when analogs were getting dumped deeply regrets it, as do all of us who didn't take advantage and *buy* one when they were pennies on the dollar :D

[@tbornottb303]

I love anything Roland ACB. I own the TB-03, TR-08, T-8 and J-6 and they are all at near analog strength in the mix. At one point the synth community seemed aghast to learn that ACB was actually software, but I guess Roland just owned it with the Plug-Out trademark--they know how to roll with the punches. Yesterday's "computer controlled" lead to today's plug-outs. Another great show! Thanks!

[@AudioPilz]

Big ACB fan here too

[@poofygoof]

I was skeptical when the TR-8 and ACB came out but after hearing it live, I was convinced it captured some of the magic of the originals. As an owner of the 606 and 707/727, the expansion pack for TR-8 seemed to get things right, within expected unit variation. I honestly think the Aira line will be considered its own vintage in another decade or two...

[@rorz999]

ACB is still the best sounding VA I've heard. I'm glad the synth community at large recognises its brilliance now

[@MSM5500]

Initially I used to have three pieces of JU-06 boutique then traded them in for System-8. Apart from they aren't patch compatible I wasn't able to reproduce accurately some specific Juno-106 sounds with JU-06 for some reason. But System-8's Juno-106 plug-in/out reproduces that patch just spot on. I believe it happens due to boutiques aren't the same as System 8 in terms of ACB implementation. The fact is that System-8 is the most advanced synthesizer Roland ever produced so far. It's got tree times more powerful hardware than Jupiter-X (3 BMC processors vs 1)

[@poofygoof]

@@MSM5500 I wouldn't be surprised if the boutique units are stripped-down or otherwise "optimized" even if they are based on the same core designs. The polyphony on the JP-08 is hobbled, for instance. I wonder if anyone's done a multi-way compare between the roland cloud VSTs, system-8 plug-outs, boutiques, and originals?

[@saysthetedd]

The most paused videos on the internet

[@AudioPilz]

😀😀😀

[@philosophiaentis5612]

Came here most for the memes but those are so quick that I have to pause the video all the time.

[@nocontextmemes2617]

How could anyone hate on the design, the green lights looks sick, especially in a room with some LEDs, can't wait to get mine.

[@AynsleyGreen]

Roland's greatest hits in one plasticky box - super versatile and can sound fantastic if you get away from the factory patches and the lousy Reverb. The System 8 engine sounds like modern sequel to the JP-8000 at times - if you turn the Condition knob into the negatives it does indeed sound like a JP-8000 (which is handy). The SBF Filters are from the V-Synth. Filter #3 -18dB is the TB303 filter. The Vintage filters are impressive, and allow for fanciful scenarios like JP-8000 SuperSaws through a Juno filter + Chorus. The updated FM engine does the DX7 greatest hits. You can use the Motion Sequencer as a 2nd LFO. The FX section can do some wild stuff, if you dig into the hidden parameters in the menus. And you get the all 3 FX lanes for both Layers, with 4 notes of polyphony! And most of all, with the latest ACB Circuit Mod firmware, it has a far more realistic Juno than that 'flagship' Zencore-based Juno-X. Not to mention the other PlugOuts - the Juno 60 and Jupiter 4 are outstanding. Just a pity about the build quality, looks, 49 keys, weird shape (which means it doesn't fit in common road-cases), and some bugs with Performance Mode, all of which make me reluctant to use it on gigs these days. C'mon Roland, give us a proper System 16!

[@AudioPilz]

Reminded me of the JP-8K too!!!

[@fmartins777]

System - X

[@utility507A]

Yay! My Omni Man arpeggiator meme was featured in an episode of Bad Gear. Finally, a life achievement that tops my Masters Thesis! I'm over the moon right now.

[@AudioPilz]

Nice one, thanks!!!

[@SHA-3qua]

Wow I caught it on time! You are doing the lord's work keeping us appreciating the gear we own so we can feed our pets

[@AudioPilz]

Thank you!!!

[@ianperesmusic]

Absolutely LOVE my System-8. ACB kicks the crap out of ZEN-Core any day.

[@AudioPilz]

ACB 4 life!!!

[@falangistavaleroso9689]

@@AudioPilz ACB: crap for rookies. Modern Roland: TRolland.

[@MarshalArnold]

Really like the System 8 concept. Wish they would have added some of those basic features and a few more voices. But, as mentioned, this sounds really great.

[@AudioPilz]

Agreed!!!

[@willdorak985]

80'S synthesizers didn't have much more than 8 voices.

[@101wut2]

OK, I was with you on all the Roland Boutique stuff, but I have to take this one personally! The System-8 is versatile, reasonably easy to use and sounds absolutely incredible, especially in the hands of someone like Gattobus (or yourself). Like all hardware it has a few limitations, but I actually love this thing overall. Personally I've gone for the Juno-X instead, but I certainly wouldn't be ashamed to have a System-8 in my rig! :)

[@AudioPilz]

👍👍👍

[@errorkit]

incredible? what Synths did you play in the Past?

[@cosmicaddress7851]

Great video again, and fantastic arrangements showing off your talent!! The System 8, despite it's flaws, is the one I would first turn on in my studio when I want to be inspired, it sounds so great and the one-knob-per-function makes it so immediate and fun. It isn't quite as organic as my JX-8P, but it still sounds/feels like a real instrument to me. I do wish though it had an extra octave of keys, and more plug in slots.

[@Wagoo]

Roland should have made a proper ACB JX-8P plugout, instead of that poxy fake template wrapping around Zen Core they made with ABM for JX-08 etc.

[@cosmicaddress7851]

@@Wagoo I agree! if only we could load the PG-8X as a plugout :)

[@AudioPilz]

Thank you! That sums it up nicely

[@mrz80]

@@cosmicaddress7851 PG-8X kinda healed a gaping hole in my brain. I let the 90s slide by without jumping on a JX-8P when people were selling 'em cheap, and always regretted it. I'm eagerly anticipating Martin's upcoming rewrite, which should squish some anomalies I've noticed using the plugin on my linux box.

[@dreamdealer]

amazing video man, impressive amount of work and effort you put into this, quality content.

[@AudioPilz]

Thank you so much!!!

[@qwe1231]

Sounds great (still after six years), a bit expensive, has limitations. It has competition but it's still a powerful and useful bit of kit that works well in its ecosystem.

[@AudioPilz]

That sums it up nicely!

[@Rompler_Rocco]

SUCH a sick sequence in that first jam! 💯💯 ...AND I FINALLY figured out how to rewind less than 10-seconds!🕺🕺

[@AudioPilz]

Thanks Rocco!!!

[@hut48]

Please share how 🤣

[@Rompler_Rocco]

@@hut48 I'm on the Android KZbin app... ok, so, when you tap the screen and the red progress bar appears, I'm holding my finger on the red dot (which indicates how far into the video you are) and sliding up. That action pulls up a "frame view" on the bottom which allows you to shuttle backwards and forwards more precisely. No more spending 40 seconds at a time trying to catch a meme! Good luck! 👍👍

[@Space_pulse]

@@Rompler_Rocco thanks for the tip. Works on my iPhone, too

[@infindebula]

Nice one. It takes me about a half hour to watch a 10-minute Bad Gear episode as I rewind and freeze-frame on the memes.

[@MCBrainpower]

Nice one as always, bro! (You are reaching a next level of meme madness & GIF swiftness 😂) I love the System-8 as its Jupiter-8 emulation is sonically definitely the closest to the sound of the OG, currently on the market (or in recent years at least) imo….However, I think the Jupiter-X is very DOPE as well….Anyway: GOOD VIBES, mayne!! Have a great weekend.

[@AudioPilz]

Have a nice one too!!!

[@maxstatic]

Consistently throwing down and delivering the goods. Your vids are soooooo good.

[@AudioPilz]

Thank you so much!!!

[@DJ_TideWave]

Thank God it’s Friday!! Awesome episode! Now I want a system 8! 😅

[@AudioPilz]

Thanks! Have a nice weekend!!!

[@leewightman8619]

Me too

[@SlaserX]

Get one, you physically can not get bored of one unless you hate the cream of the 80s Roland analog crop

[@Asmuk]

"(...) a pricing strategy deeply rooted in denial of reality." Writing doesn't get better than this. Thanks again for the great content.

[@AudioPilz]

Thank you so much!!!

[@tamthetamtam]

This will be considered a vintage classic in 10 years

[@AudioPilz]

That's probably right!

[@mudi2000a]

Great video. I still think this is the best VA synth Roland manufactured until today!

[@AudioPilz]

Thanks!!! I like the System engine quite a bit!

[@slipknotboy555]

It does sound good! I have a JP-8000, and honestly, the System 8 seems to kinda blow it outta the water. The JP-8k has achieved sort of legendary status - but it's pretty thin sounding. And this has significantly more features.

[@SlaserX]

​@@slipknotboy555 thank you for that. I have a System 8 and love it, and a Virus, but as a VA-Head, I've always wanted a JP-80x0, it calls to me, and I have to remember that I just don't need it.

[@ericpeters0n]

Not as versatile, but the tiny S1 sounds smokin' to me as well!

[@C01dEyes]

As an owner of a System 8 I knew this day would come. Time to watch someone call my baby ugly 😅

[@AudioPilz]

I'd never!!!

[@C01dEyes]

@@AudioPilz I've had mine now for about 3 years and even though it has limitations there's so much I've been able to do with the production wise. Being able to simulate classic Roland synthesizers have saved me a bundle of money and time trying to track down old hardware that might need to be fixed up.

[@xard64]

Roland really knows how to do the "gamer hardware" design for synthezisers.

[@AudioPilz]

😂😂😂

[@godzil42]

The System-8 was my first "real" synth, and I never regretted buying it. If people can only look at the material and "green LED" and judge it only on that, well. It is not cheap, but there is actually quite a lot of tech inside, ACB is not something really efficient en term of computational power, just have a look at the ACB VSTs how much CPU they use..

[@AudioPilz]

Interesting! Never tried them in VST form. Thanks for posting!

[@Wagoo]

@@AudioPilz they are the "legends" series or whatever in Roland Clod

[@ntrnlgrv]

This is my first hardware synthesizer also. I sometimes have questioned if the price was worth it, but with all its possibilities even though some limitations, I don’t regret it.

[@Chadderbox]

I always go to like these videos at the end but then scroll down to realise that I already have while it was playing. Great content as always :)

[@AudioPilz]

Thank you!!!

[@st0rmchild]

I have plenty of wish list improvements for the version 2 they’ll never make, but even with its flaws, the System-8 is awesome.

[@AudioPilz]

Yeah, V2 would be great!

[@AN-fl1yt]

Excellent sounding synth!

[@AudioPilz]

👍

[@denovaire]

Surprisingly good sounding and versatile! Great episode, Flo :)

[@AudioPilz]

Thank you!!!

[@entropybentwhistle]

Only Werner Herzog could come close to trying decipher the corporate psyche of Roland. They haven’t put out anything that caught my attention in several years, with maybe the exception of the boutique D-50 because I was looking for that board’s soundset at that exact time.

[@AudioPilz]

True that!!!

[@mrz80]

@@AudioPilz Have enough people said enough bad things about the D-05 for you to give it the treatment?

[@FormulaXFD]

YESSS. The trifecta is complete, all of my roland toys have been given their time.

[@AudioPilz]

Bad Gear Bingo!!!

[@MephistoMods]

I totally saw the video. This comment is not for the algorithm.

[@AudioPilz]

#truth

[@iancain6647]

The algorithm knows...

[@entropybentwhistle]

@@iancain6647 I always wondered how algae make these rithms, but when I ask all I hear is a voice shouting back “Science, bitch!”

[@dustyaudio]

I’ve never seen a “survey” for a comment before today… I told KZbin this comment is 1. “Excellent” & 2 “Shows support to the creator” 😂

[@VTOLKits]

Wieder tolles Video, du hast mir den System-8 jetzt doch fast verkauft.... Zum Glück bin ich in den Ferien.👍👍

[@AudioPilz]

Danke!!! Gerade noch einmal davon gekommen;)

[@Novaheart1998]

I have a system 8 and its lovely , I also have a JDXA and it is also lovely. I paid considerably less for them than probably anyone ever but that’s just my luck. 🎉 the System 8 emulates older Roland analogs extremely well. I have many old Roland analogs to compare them. I bring up the JDXA because it came out several years before the AIRA line and it often gets a bad rap but Im telling you its a damn cool synth. Both are damn cool. I use them constantly they don’t let me down on projects, they sound and look retro futuristic.

[@AudioPilz]

Love the Supernatural engine of the JD-XA(Xi)

[@Novaheart1998]

@@AudioPilz yes the filter on the system 8 is Roland’s best analog emulated filter, I think its the same as the one on the slightly older Fantom 06/07/08 line. Those used the super natural engine also. That super natural synth engine was Rolands best until Zen core. The XA also used the super natural engine or some version of it but it actually has an analog filter hence it beats all the emulations anyways.

[@helisoma]

@9:00 again not only a perfectly polished and enjoyable review but another magical finale...your energy is really an inspiration for me to push my own creative boundaries 👍🏻🙏🏻

[@AudioPilz]

Happy to hear that!!! Thanks!!!

[@eddievanheinous666]

Everyone focuses so much on the plugouts that I didn't even know about the VA on there. It's not bad!

[@AudioPilz]

Really enjoyed it quite a bit too!!!

[@MrOuija-rr8kq]

The plug out idea was awesome. Wish more companies did such a thing but it’s not the best move if you are a synth company trying to squeeze as much money out of people as possible.

[@AudioPilz]

Didn't Arturia do something like that?

[@MrOuija-rr8kq]

@@AudioPilz I don’t know. Did they?

[@Wagoo]

@@AudioPilz I think you are talking about the Arturia Origin? It loads in components of an ancient version of V Collection. It sounds like it'd be crap but actually it's an amazing sounding synth.. you can also build your own synth architectures in there by combining and routing components from one synth to components from another. There are also "templates" which are less heavy to run than the modular system, so you get more polyphony. They only did Minimoog and Jupiter-8 templates for it though. A CS-80 template was promised, but never came. You can just build your own with the modular system still.. but you get less polyphony that way

[@EmilioNorrmann]

this inspired me to try to fix my system-1's keybed ... again

[@AudioPilz]

System-1 is actually really nice (except for the keybed;)

[@Wagoo]

yeah thankfully the keybed on the Sys-8 may be crap, but at least it doesn't break. Sys-1m fixes that.. then you need to get scatter back with the Roland AIRA Scooper eurorack module

[@64north20west]

I don't know how you keep making great music on bad gear with new hilarious video backgrounds every week. Amazing. And yes, this Roland would be bad gear even if it didn't have the green lights. But the sub oscillator is very good!

[@AudioPilz]

Thank you!!! I try not to mess around too much;)

[@SonicVibe]

just got the roland SH-4d would love to see it on the show and hear your thoughts, great ep as always !

[@AudioPilz]

Thank you! Great suggestion!!!

[@DurararaX2]

Your timing is impeccable. Just this week I was offered one of these in trade for a vintage Korg I'm selling. Like offering a Kia for a used Porsche lol. Thanks for posting this!

[@AudioPilz]

Thanks! There are some Kias I would definitely prefer to some Porsches;)

[@kerzwhile]

Great episode!! You nailed it!! 😊

[@AudioPilz]

Thank you so much!!!

[@0e0]

Never used one but i always found this to be a cool value for someone needing those sounds. The panel sends full ccs so it would make an amazing controller for other vsts too

[@AudioPilz]

Great collection of Boutique sounds;)

[@0e0]

@@AudioPilz expensive midi controller tho ;oP

[@willdorak985]

The only thing I hate about the SYSTEM 8 is the plastic body. But other than that, it's one of the best synthesizer I have ever own.

[@AudioPilz]

👍👍👍

[@EarmonkeyMusic]

You nailed the drawbacks. But even with all of them, it’s obvious you found out what makes the System 8 so good: how musical it is. It’s just really easy to jump in and start making stuff with it. As many downsides as it has, it’s still a go-to synth for me.

[@JustinEdwords]

also, its built in synth engine is nothing to sniff at. my other favorite is the JX-3P - now with the 1000 dollar knob bank

[@AudioPilz]

Thanks!!!

[@richcolour]

Took delivery of a Jupiter Xm today. No other comment really... just wanted to say I took delivery of a Jupiter Xm today. beans on toast for the rest of the year

[@Wagoo]

Did you have to stretch yourself over years with Volcas then moving up to Boutiques, then a Mininova.. before you were finally ready to take delivery of an Xm? It's impressive, but I worry for the shape of your stools

[@AudioPilz]

Maybe add some ramen noodles?;)

[@RottenRotny]

I've been using these live since '17 or '18. Works well for what I need. Also, I love the green disco lights!

[@AudioPilz]

Nice!!!

[@MatthewTomich]

Considering the System 8 is primarily a flexible container for vintage synths, if they had made the look of the board more of a vintage styling, they probably would have sold five times as many units.

[@AudioPilz]

Agreed!!!

[@jordimoraguesmassanet1179]

Man, your jams are amazing.

[@dankeplace]

His mother's honey is even better. Oh no I di ant!!

[@AudioPilz]

Thank you!!!

[@dankeplace]

@@AudioPilz cmon, I was pretty funny too, jams and honey!!! MEME ME!!!! lol

[@antoniocalimero1173]

Its one the best synth on the market 😊

[@AudioPilz]

There's some tough competition tho;)

[@NobiSAINT]

@@AudioPilzlike Which one would you pick over this?

[@maydaygoingdown5602]

​​@@NobiSAINT Novation Summit for 1 example. REV 2 for another. I could go on...

[@Pheonix0114]

I've never been more sad when one of your jams faded out as the closer this time, it sounds incredible.

[@AudioPilz]

Thank you so much!!!❤️❤️❤️

[@daveakabluewater]

A great sounding synth … ripping tones at once dignified and refined, sprinkled with mayhem

[@AudioPilz]

👍👍👍

[@michaelkrestan5483]

I am going to sell my roland system 8 immediately...what a bad gear...I am convinced now..thanks a lot!

[@AudioPilz]

Always a pleasure;)

[@antoniocalimero1173]

​@@MatthewTomichHe have no System 8. Its one of the best synth and better sound than a jp8000

[@Skedoosh99]

Another very well done episode! I heard the Juno 60 is cool

[@voodoohex72]

yes it sounds great just like the rest of the plugouts for this thing. ACB rocks imo. Sold my juno 106 when I got my system 8 and never looked back.

[@Skedoosh99]

@@voodoohex72 oh really?!?!??! Nice!

[@AudioPilz]

Thank you!!!

[@adrianmccombe625]

Out the back with a beer catching the rays and totally forgot the most awesome video was released today. Yassssss!

[@AudioPilz]

Nice!!! Have a great weekend!!!

[@adrianmccombe625]

@@AudioPilz you too have a good one. Last two songs are excellent 👌

[@ironinquisitor3656]

The pro version of the Roland Boutiques. The System 8 sounds great but I wish it had 61 keys. Was hoping this would appear one day on this channel for ticking all the boxes at first glance.

[@AudioPilz]

It definitely does!

[@ironinquisitor3656]

@@AudioPilz I sure hope Roland also makes a Jupiter-4 Boutique for a future review on your channel considering they released the ACB emulation for Cloud and the System-8 last year.

[@Wagoo]

@@ironinquisitor3656 yeah seems logical to do an ACB Jupiter-4 boutique.. I'm hoping for a Jupiter-6 ACB plugout this year 🤞

[@SlaserX]

As much as I'd love to see some more practical ACB plug outs like a D-50, I'd think it would be fun to get something like a RS-202, for the sheer fact it's old and rare. That's one of the charms of ACB, I can now say I've heard weird synths like the ProMars, which I've never heard of before getting a System 8

[@Wagoo]

@@SlaserX well D-50 is digital so doesn't work with ACB.. ACB simulates analogue circuits. D-50 also already exists in "DCB" form as the D-05 boutique (and probably a Roland Clod plugin).. DCB is more like an emulator that runs the code from the original synth RS-505 would be even better.. but I think they have problems with "divide down" circuits and ACB. At least they did when they last tried to do it with the VP-03 boutique, which is supposed to be a simulation of the VP-330. But it sounds vastly worse on strings/choirs than the original (or the Behringer analogue clone, VC340).. with the vocoder they kind of get away with it.. that sounds okay. But very noticeable on the strings/choirs

[@grandpagaming3142]

Thing is, you don’t have to let the System 8 blind you with its green LEDs. You can turn the LED brightness down in the settings under SYSTEM.

[@starsunderer]

Im leaning towards a deepmind 12. Apparently a Roland sound while retaining analog for 1/2 the price ish. And queakable in differnt ways. I like how S8 has an array of knobs, and it has all botiques in one box, great for at home, not so much while on the go. But if you get one, it will likely retain its value for resale, so thats a plus and really no risk to try it out. ♦️🔺️❤️🔺️♦️

[@Wagoo]

Deepmind 12 uses the Juno 106 voice architecture, however without the same chorus circuit. Its real strength is all the built in effects.. and an 8 slot mod matrix where you can modulate the parameters of those effects. Something the Moog One still can't do. The System-8 sounds great, though. Nails the Juno and Jupiter sound way more accurately than the later Jupiter-X/Juno-X releases.. which come in nicer cases but don't have much brains

[@AudioPilz]

Deepmind is super tempting!

[@sschueller]

Awesome jam, I don't know how you do it but you pull amazing things out of theses devices.

[@AudioPilz]

Thank you so much!!!

[@elitemantis]

Finally, your review that doesn't make me buy a new Roland Aira Gear. Yeah, ok, that's only because I already have System-8. Honestly though, it's so much fun to play, all those knobs and sliders to twiddle with are really fun! I only wish it had the System-1 scatter knob. Then again, that's what I can use MX-1 for :D Now I'm only waiting for MC-707 review to drop and push me into buying it and the cycle will be complete.

[@JustinEdwords]

i LOVE the scatter on the MC-707

[@AudioPilz]

Not a big fan of the System-1 Scatter (or any scatter;) tbh

[@tomadeney8860]

​@@AudioPilzFunny 'cause actually that's one of the (many) reasons I love the System 1 😊

[@the_jACK_Ripper]

As with tradition the manual makes little to no sense... Love you bro, I passed on the system 8 for a slew of behringer clones, and an ms-2000, but now I want the system 8.

[@AudioPilz]

Thank you!!!❤️❤️❤️ Nice collection you have there;)

[@par5ek]

Roland for the win I have to admit I played with a system 8 and I like it 😱 Green disco lights are a bit too much And when it goes into demo mode it is embarrassing Genius as always Cheers

[@AudioPilz]

Thank you!!! The goblin of synths

[@pleasure1689]

I cannot wait to see a Roland Cloud episode. The service is so inconsistent. It makes it more frustrating considering the sounds locked behind overbearing DRM.

[@AudioPilz]

Agreed!!!

[@brucebennett5338]

personally, i love my system-8!

[@AudioPilz]

👍👍👍

[@fredericfarr9663]

Having seen the Roland Gaia on your show (which I own and enjoy), I am now tempted to get the system 8 😅

[@deca5002]

My beloved synth! Bought it for the wrong reason, but I never regretted the purchase, I love it since the day it arrived on my desk! And for those to claim it's nothing short than a VST in a box, for true analog I have some Berhinger stuff as well.. pick your choice! 😂

[@AudioPilz]

Certainly goes well with some Bs

[@agentvx8320]

"It is-" ::sniffs perplexedly:: "It is-" ::sniffs even more perplexedly:: "... It is green."

[@AudioPilz]

Lol

[@Jacob-ur3lh]

System 8 is what happens when you take the green pill in the Matrix. The Weeknd's "Blinding Lights" is about this synth. 🤣. Love your channel!

[@AudioPilz]

Thank you! Lol

[@Pintosonic]

It’s just unfortunate that we never got a system 16 with a proper 61 key keyboard with aftertouch. ACB is the best VA engine Roland ever made. It sounds much better than the newer Zen-Core.

[@AudioPilz]

System 16 for 1 MILLION DOLLARS;)

[@originaali]

That old school dnb hits different because very few is making it nowadays🤙🏻 cool track indeed🔥 I owned system 8 a year. Great machine. Easy to get sit in the mix but somehow i thought it is quite expensive for what it could do. I think they sacrificed voices for higher sample rate etc.. (actually i have owned system 1 and now system 1m and i think that it is worth the money if ylu have to pick one ✌️

[@originaali]

You asked something to review for end of yoyr video 😎 twisted electronics - mega fm ✌️ fm synth with sega mega drive chips

[@AudioPilz]

Thank you!!!

[@Devilsou]

The question is, where all those cool vids are coming from for each track each week!

[@AudioPilz]

I use this new internet thing;)

[@h4ndrix]

That final track HITS 🔥 guess im a Roland fanboy lol.

[@AudioPilz]

Thank you!!!

[@thomaskolb8785]

One of my synths that I will never sell. It's just absolutely perfect.

[@Sandelec-gm2cl]

It sounds awesome..! Like my boutiques of Jupiter 8 and JX3P models. The ACB technology can do miracles for dawless musicians. I would like to see other brands make synth in this mode. But probably Roland don't sell his secrets..😏

[@AudioPilz]

...and they don't make that much use of them anymore either;)

[@Sandelec-gm2cl]

I will buy the boutique of JD800. But if they release the boutique of JD990..maybe it's better. The project of the D50 model was fantastic and I have it. 8 patches bank user.. and 6 patches bank of all the cards that Roland did in the 80's. ✌🏻😀

[@Wagoo]

ACB will make a return when Roland spin up a new chip with more cores I suspect. Their last 2 generations of chips.. ESC2 and BMC are quad cores (hence 4 voice limit on ACB boutiques when they cheap out and only put one chip in there..) D-05 uses "DCB" which I think it a non-byte-perfect emulator that can simulate the original hardware and run the original code. The same patch loaded on D50/D550 vs D05 sounds slightly different, but just as good. So I think they'd be great for layering with each other The JD-08 boutique just uses Zen Core's PCM abilities, so isn't really closely related to the JD-800 under the hood.. but seems to sound nice. The JX8P boutique JX-08 is a crime against humanity, and nothing at all like the original. Just a lazy ABM template over Zen Core VA

[@Sandelec-gm2cl]

@@Wagoo good explanation..✌🏻 I opened the D 05 because if the D50 in 1987 was digital.. the D05 is a digital replica. And therefor I found only a big chip "Roland"..and a memory chip I think. The JP08 (Jupiter 8) was analog in 1981 and the boutique is a digital clone of it. And I opened it hoping to find more chips..for the analog circuit clone. But I find the same conponents of the D05..!! For me that I am dawless it's a disappointment. Every boutique has an audio hardware like a sound card in a PC.. (the "Roland"big chip) and a good software ACB programming in another chip. Therefore when I use boutique it means play like a PC plugin..?

[@Wagoo]

@@Sandelec-gm2cl the Roland chips you are talking about are either ESC2 or BMC chips. Both are quad core ARM SoC (system-on-chip) ICs. The difference is in the code running on there. Roland often do this.. make a chip then try and reuse it in as many products as possible. But with a general CPU like an ARM, what's running on there can vary wildly. For DCB you can think of it like an emulator for a classic console like the SNES.. they make a virtual environment to simulate the original hardware so that the original D50 code will run on there.. and all the original patches will work. People often think digital to digital is easy, but it's not that simple.. when it's across different architectures. It is possible to make byte perfect emulations of digital hardware though, but the subtleties and timings on the original chips end up making up some of the character of the result. So in the above analogy, the D-05 is more like SNES 9X.. a fast SNES emulator that generally works well.. but isn't byte perfect.. so sometimes you can spot differences vs the hardware. Compared to something like the BSNES/Higen emulator which aims to be byte perfect.. and consequently is a lot heavier to run ACB is circuit simulation, also running on the same ARM chip. The System-8 has to use 3 of them to run 8 voices+FX at 96KHz. The early boutiques used ESC2 which was a slower quad core ARM and could only run at 48KHz, the System-8 uses BMC quad core ARMs which are faster and can run at 96KHz. But what we really need going forward is higher core counts in the next generation Roland chip.. as ACB is a heavy simulation and tends to take up a whole core ARM per voice Rolands newer Zen Core synths also again use the same BMC chip. But running something completely different.. a much lighter virtual analogue engine.. that IMO doesn't sound as good as ACB.. and certainly isn't as accurate when trying to simulate an old synth. It's a step backwards into a more loose 90's VA style.. mainly born from people complaining about polyphony on the boutiques I suspect. So they decided to have a light VA engine and the compensation is you could run more layers of it To me, ACB sounds great. But if you want an analogue clone of the Jupiter-8 then Black Corporation have a rack synth called the ISENIN out, it's all analogue.. but not cheap. Behringer are also supposed to be working on a Jupiter-8.. that will also be all analogue

[@jfphotoandlife8287]

I missed this System 8 review. I love this one too 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 Thanks !

[@vinylarchaeologist]

Get your PAUSE buttons ready, BAD GEAR has a new video out ❤

[@AudioPilz]

Way to go!!!

[@hinzster]

That being said, the NEIN OH NEIN was a real bugger to pause at. It was very short (

[@JH-lo9ut]

Had to stop to read the Werner Herzog meme in Werner Hertzog's voice. Totally worth it.

[@AudioPilz]

True that!!! That one had me rofling!!!

[@MOSMASTERING]

I started learning piano in the late 80s when I was 5 years old. My dad bought me a Yamaha DX27 instead of a piano to learn on.. it put me off music for 20 years.

[@AudioPilz]

I feel you!!!

[@pappachook]

Always watch the episodes twice, first time with no pauses then second time pausing to read all the memes 😅

[@AudioPilz]

Way to go!!! Thanks for watching!!!

[@sammadden5540]

I'm fairly convinced if this looked like a juno it would of sold way better 😅

[@Wagoo]

Not having the 106 & 60 ACB plugouts in the Juno-X chassis is a crime against humanity. But they wanted to cheap out and only use 1x BMC chip in that, so put in poxy Zen Core and ABM parameter templates Juno-X should have.. could have been.. the 60/106 ACB engines paired with analogue filters. Would have sold like hot cakes

[@AudioPilz]

True that!!!

[@pujo5137]

Yet again absolutely killed it in the end.

[@AudioPilz]

Thank you!!!

[@alexwestconsulting]

Oh man I love the System 8. The new "circuit mod" they added to the plugouts controlled on the color knob is so good, was hoping you would highlight it (yours isn't lit). If the system 1m had more voices and could house the 106/60 plugouts (and had more slots) I'd 100% recommend that to everyone and call it a day, but unfortunately you need this beast for that and so I can totally see people not wanting to pony up, ridiculing it even as it's not exactly inexpensive while having poor construction and ugly besides. And people just HATE paying for VST in a box when its something that you can get way cheaper in DAW that sounds the same. But this is DAWless, and in that space that Aira line is totally viable. I just got the MPC line Jura (106) expansion and the Aira acb plugout just absolutely destroys it. Those quality acb models just really cut through a mix. But now that 106 is on mpc, we are going to be hearing those crappy sounds in recordings all over the place now. Im not saying that the Aira line is THE best sounding, and value for money isn't exactly high, but they do sound really good and nail those sounds that they nail. Would I say to most people to get a System 8 instead of something like a Peak? Probably not. But there's a good percentage of people that would really be able to use it for so many classic sounds, classic sounds available in a flexible dawless unit.

[@AudioPilz]

Thanks for the heads up - didn't know that!

[@dankeplace]

Oh it's you again, you seem to fail to answer my question every time I ask, always responding with, oh I answered you last time, did you not read? So if you can answer here and now, how is it that you have 1K subs, 1 vid, and only 126 views of your channel?

[@MT-mt8bd]

@@AudioPilz sounds even better! big sound!

[@dangerranger3000]

the way werner herzogs voice came right up to my head with the meme cracked me

[@AudioPilz]

Same here!