Put the pvc on a scale and measure the amount of force
@justinleavens7 жыл бұрын
Guys, I have bow hunted since 1989. I have seen this sport go through rediculous changes, then it comes back around full circle. While viewing hundreds of Indian stone arrowheads on a farm just yesterday, this is basically back to where archery has gone. Strong, single or double blades, period. Adding the right bevel with right arrow twist is taking it to the next level. Building broadheads from stainless steel is the cherry on top. I just sharpened my broadheads and of them all, my Grizzly Stick heads are the only ones I didn't have to re-sharpen after Elk Season last year. My carbon steel broadheads (not single bevel edge) by Zwiky and Bear, will stand up to only one shot. If you miss, kiss that broadhead goodbye. Cheaper, they are my backup arrowheads. I promise you, my first arrow and broadhead combo I reach for in my overpriced quiver is my Grizzly Stick 330/Massai 150 Grain Package. The overall arrow weight is just over 610 grains (arrow alone is 462), and let me tell you, with the tapered design (fat in front, skinny in back), and the design and steel advantages of the broadheads, these things are worth every dollar. My five point bull was shot right in the front shoulder, the arrow passed all the way through and punched out the back AFTER going through the scapula. The reason I switched to heavy arrows is because I can screw any tip on, and things are stable. Forget speed, men. Forget skinny carbon arrows. Get back to fat aluminums like the old Gamegetters, or man up and get into a set of Grizzly Sticks. An object in motion, stays in motion. The heavier the object, the more motion. Pass through shots is the goal. Pair this with design innovations, and you are in Grizzly Stick heaven. Hey Grizzly Stick, I need another half dozen arrows, hook me up with a discount!?
@marcelovillegas7531 Жыл бұрын
Innerloc devastation broadheds are simply the best in the world 🌎,between me and my brother hunting deer 🦌 and 🐻 black bear,we never lost any game,the blood 🩸 trail is like a red carpet in the woods 🌲 🌳.
@BennyCFD6 жыл бұрын
Wow, you are a million gazillion % right. I'm so glad you guys used Dr Ed Ashby as a reference. He should be a mandatory read for every serious bow hunter. I just got reading some of his stuff. From what I got was a 650 grain arrow and a well made single blade broadhed can kill any land animal in north america using at least a 55# bow. Of course one reason was the one you gave but also a heavier arrow will carry more momentum down range than a lighter faster arrow. All your videos are great and very informational. Thanks
@christizn59174 жыл бұрын
is rhat sarcasm because i hope it is
@christianlequoix74736 жыл бұрын
I'm convinced. I've been using Zwickey for over 20 years. I read the docs thoughts and studies. Thanks for the Video.
@danielsmith53514 жыл бұрын
I completely agree with the structural integrity of the broad head, and ive never found a mechanical that will hold up to the abuse of a fixed blade...A few shots on 200 plus pound boar made me ditch the mechanicals... Im really interested in the silver flame xxl.
@bobalotb67604 жыл бұрын
Have you hear of the Ranch Fairy? Great youtube channel..
@danielsmith53514 жыл бұрын
@@bobalotb6760 Yes Ive been checking out his stuff. I think he is really on to something. Im getting ready to start trying some of his ideas.I have been shooting 100 gr. inserts for awhile. But hes taking it a lot farther.
@mikeborgstr5188 Жыл бұрын
What is the best method for resharpening the mesai heads?
@knowledge15king6 жыл бұрын
great sales pitch but in no way is this a legitimate test.
@chickennuggetinagutter.78642 жыл бұрын
Besides the 1000s of animals kill by Ashby.
@rickmansberger41366 жыл бұрын
Can you give the best broadened choices for traditional recurve? Thank you
@GrizzlyStik6 жыл бұрын
Rick - all of our heads can be shot from trad or compound bows. The arrows and heads don't care. The founders of our company are all trad only shooters and shoot all of our heads interchangeably. I hope this helps.
@moogybannahilstopaflingon68035 жыл бұрын
Excellent video guys. Right on the money!
@alexgreat26136 жыл бұрын
On the first test why not use a scale under the hollow tube PVC and see how much force it takes to penetrate the cardboard? Makes sense right?
@alexgreat26135 жыл бұрын
@ISAAC JESTUS - Thanks m8
@stephengraham63555 жыл бұрын
I was on the bowhunter advisory staff for hoyt USA for several years. I've killed a ton of deer and I could not tell you which is the most deadly Broadhead, they will all kill if you hit them in the right spot.
@GrizzlyStik5 жыл бұрын
Stephen - very true, a field point will kill deer if yo hit them perfectly. Our broadheads are built to work even on the less-than-perfect shots.
@NYpsycho817 жыл бұрын
man these look nice, I shoot magnus stingers and I have no complaints but these look sweet to.
@Ad-ml7my6 жыл бұрын
I have used a mechanical and a straight blade mechanical is by far my favorite
@danielcarter76573 жыл бұрын
The versatility of the solid blade is the main selling point as you can drill straight through otherwise non navigable areas of meat and bone into the organs that stop anything fast and give you the best recovery scenario , I have taken a few deer with mechanical or 3-4 blade designs but there is irrefutable evidence of the superiority of the single bevel heavy arrow builds
@jollybroker4 жыл бұрын
great video but is there a difference other than looks between maasai & samurai ? hunting whitetail and hogs
@takashi03527 жыл бұрын
Tim Gillingham needs to watch this!!!
@isaacjestus7 жыл бұрын
Takashi Tamanaha YES. Couldn't agree more.
@paulczaja32627 жыл бұрын
Why he is incredibly successful with the gear of his choice. I wouldn't use it but it works flawlessly for him.
@takashi03527 жыл бұрын
I have never seen Tim Gillingham actually shoot an animal. I have seen him taking pics next to them, but not actually taking the shot. Plus he dry fired a bow at the 2017 ata show with a sky draw. He would be kicked off any range for doing that.
@paulczaja32627 жыл бұрын
Takashi Tamanaha Was that's pretty crazy, I hadn't heard that. I missed ATA last year due to work. Thanks for sharing that. Tim is a friend of mine we don't see eye to eye on equipment or set up. He has some crazy cool shoots on video, hunting wise. Anyhow thanks again I got something I tease him with
@InvestorAcademyPodca6 жыл бұрын
Tim basically argues that mechanicals fly better, which is likely true. He is a target archer and likely focuses mostly on what makes him a better shot. The problem is that if your broadhead doesn't get where it needs to then it doesn't matter how good of a shot a guy makes.
@Master-Shannon6 жыл бұрын
If you are going to talk about design, penetration, robustness, advantage of a chisel grind and cutting performance wouldn’t it be beneficial to also mention the steel quality and reasons for the selection of that steel in regards to durability and edge retention etc?
@ccleadge6 жыл бұрын
i can see the shaft being the week point as its not a silid cut (1 peice) broadhead.
@Slash-is3yu5 жыл бұрын
What are the names of the thumb nail 2 blades shown? I want to see the performance
@mathewprime35564 жыл бұрын
I would recommend doing a flight test at 75 yards with single bevel vs fixed, your concern will not be bone slitting action but finding the broad head in the dirt.
@scottcress40524 жыл бұрын
75yrds???? LOL must be a rife hunter.
@MrDarwhite4 жыл бұрын
A single bevel IS a fixed.
@crunch98763 жыл бұрын
@@scottcress4052 can you explain?
@WessMaynard351Ай бұрын
I did a 70yd test and punched through my broadhead target and ripped off a fletching
@cowdy2935 жыл бұрын
This the best one of theirs when it comes to the width of puncture and power to crush bone?
@MikeSmith-ve2qu7 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video
@MrTNBassmaster7 жыл бұрын
Im using the Monsaai 200 grain head in the video , i have never been scared at messing with a broadhead untill these ! To me there sharper than a razor.
@forrestmonty95196 жыл бұрын
What fetch combination would you use for these
@gbm60317 жыл бұрын
Great information! I'm not alone when I say I dislike mechanicals but I might be looking deeper into some 2 blades instead of my 3 blade
@jmartin90596 жыл бұрын
Bishop California... bishoparchery.com/ S7 tool steel broadheads are worth a look... Right bevel is for right-wing right hand twist or typical clockwise spinning arrows.... As viewed from rear of arrow... i.e. Archers point of view. >>>> Usually a custom order specialty item are "Left wing", left bevel for anti-clockwise/counter-clockwise spinning ... Left-handed archers or those who have NO screw threads in their arrow assembly may prefer these. bishoparchery.com/
@ccleadge6 жыл бұрын
ozcut broadheads are fabulous aswell
@f2foutdoors Жыл бұрын
Lost 2 bucks just this year using mechanical. Never again.
@southpawhammer86442 жыл бұрын
I'm sorry bro, who said it was ok to wear your hair like that in public.
@danielcarter76573 жыл бұрын
Very cool and informative video
@mathewjaycox8434 жыл бұрын
Be aware of local regs on if you can use a 2 blade. Alberta requires at least 3 blades with a 1.3 inch cut.
@crunch98763 жыл бұрын
Why?
@SigurdtheRyder5 жыл бұрын
I use a 3 blade broadhead, but the blades meet as a single point. They are hardend steel and shear bone nicely. Wish I could share a photo, but the format here dies not allow that gosh durnit.
@squrilebrain4 жыл бұрын
I am looking for Ferrule to buy. do you know any place that has them for sell ?
@IMKINDOFABIGDEAL134 жыл бұрын
Ferrule? You mean like an insert or outsert?
@zzz7zzz96 жыл бұрын
to be lethal, a broadhead has to hit the vitals. and pretty much any broadhead out there is going to be lethal if it hits the vitals. it's when shooters take low%, marginal shots on game that then depend on a head to have to cut through bone, etc to get to the vitals. but if a high % shot is taken, most any broadhead will be lethal. shooters love to blame a broadhead for their failure.
@casey1979306 жыл бұрын
Nailed it. I've never known a great shooter to put much thought into the heads. We sure the hell don't blame heads for lost animals.
@timjusttim2334 жыл бұрын
You must be one of the guys that controls arrow flight and animal movement after the shot , I've heard of you guys your magic is fantastic
@jasonsparks46014 жыл бұрын
Based on science my ass! The first comparison blows that out of the realm of possibility!!!! You for a decent sales pitch though......
@philmah-ass90507 жыл бұрын
Sweet intro! That's really cool!
@jigglysexymanlolpussy11752 жыл бұрын
Grim reeper
@Martin-dy5oj7 жыл бұрын
I use my 200 gr. Maasai broad heads on elk and deer with GrizlyStik Momentum U-FOC 330 shafts built to 500 gr (700 gr total arrow weight) and have great penetration and no planing. I would guess the previous archer may not be using forward-of-center built arrows. What is the best method for me to resharpen and strop my Maasai tanto points? Lastly, I was saddened to hear of Ed's passing last year and miss him as a mentor.
@LimbDrivenTV6 жыл бұрын
Martin Yokosawa KME sharpener works great! Our Channel has a video about sharpening GrizzlyStik heads on it! Check it out!
@MrRazorback19752 жыл бұрын
The Ed Ashby group has become a cult of sorts. The idea that there is only one way, their way, to take down large game, is highly inaccurate. They’ve convinced a lot of people that 650 grain arrows are necessary because Ed stated this is the “bone breaking “ threshold. If you listen closely, you won’t hear much about trajectory and it’s effect on accuracy in these discussions. Accuracy will always be #1 when accessing lethality of an arrow. There also isn’t much discussion about the individuals setup, draw length, poundage, etc. I’ve killed dozens of big game animals with mechanical Broadheads, something that should not be possible according to the Ashby camp.Different setups for different applications.
@LimbDrivenTV7 жыл бұрын
This is the perfect demonstration for how to show mechanical advantage in an unbiased manner. The Maasai looks pretty sweet!
@kidringo12576 жыл бұрын
Are you kidding...children punching paper??? And worshipping the good benefactor and guardian dr ashby...who ever he is?
@williamholsomback52196 жыл бұрын
sales commercial
@brooksrange69786 жыл бұрын
Shuttle T augers a hole through animals. Although I love double blades back to Fred Bear's design. Hunting in Alaska I have seen and been cut by lots of blades that have failed inside the animal while cleaning them. Shuttle T's fly perfect and blow holes in Big Bear and Moose. I'd like to see you do a shooting comparison between the two. Can you go from field tip to Broadhead and not make any sight adjustments? I've been bow hunting for over 35years and at first I didn't think much of the shuttle T's but soon switched as soon as I seen the aftermath first hand. Wound and blood channels like you've never seen before. I would also like to see your broadheads used in a real world application shoot some big animals. Don't just push it through carboard, because there are a lot of other variables then just that playing into effect. How do they fly with a F.O.B.? I shoot caribou and unreal distance's because with a F.O.B. there is almost no side wind affects on the arrow in flight. I hope you don't think this is argumentative. I very much like what I see in your product there I would just like to see them actually perform.
@brooksrange69786 жыл бұрын
Hey sorry I have now watched a few more videos you all have. Deffently have my interest up. I would like to see a F.O.B. test in wind and penetration against the shuttle T's tho. Spring bear is coming up if I have time maybe I'll try myself and let you all know. Thanks guys be safe out there and happy hunting!
@isaacjestus7 жыл бұрын
Probably the best way to show mechanical advantage that I have seen.
@johnhast19796 жыл бұрын
What single bevel head would you recommend for crossbows in the 350 fps to 380 fps range . Thanks
@LimbDrivenTV6 жыл бұрын
John Hastings anything 200+ grains
@johnhast19796 жыл бұрын
200 grain ? 200 what ?
@ccleadge6 жыл бұрын
a 3 blade 200gn broadhead preferably 1 peice. or 150+gn with a heavy insert
@maineoutdoorsman6776 жыл бұрын
A regular broad head always penetrates way deeper then a 3 blade but single blade hase less cutting diameter less cutting edge then a 3 blade an single have know too clot up an not bleed as much that's why they' built 3 blades .an the civil war bayonet had a try blade harder too stitch up an more blood came out .my brother shot a 5 blade I can't remember the name but 5 one inch razors an he killed a lot an imean a lot of deer 30 or more .we eat deer meat year round an have been killing big bucks since I was 14 now 45 .great video I prefer the old 2 blade 100 gr nap expandable broad head flys great an zips right through both forward shoulders .good hunting from mid coast Maine
@seanjorgenson80643 жыл бұрын
You have to strengthen the front 3 in. Of arrow shaft or you can loose it all!
@scottwalmer92482 ай бұрын
Class dismissed 🎯🩸☠️
@zzz7zzz96 жыл бұрын
that test was stupid. for starters, you were using a cut-on-contact against a chisel-tip. obviously the cut-on-contact will slice through easier. just like a 2-blade will go through with less effort than a 3-blade. this is common-sense, no testing needed. but the worst thing, was you were just using your own force. that's not consistent in any way.
@non-typicalhunter67766 жыл бұрын
Thats like saying...its not a fair test comparing a mech vs a 2 blade fixed....when hjnting bvb your asking the heads to do the same job. The benefits a 2" head have are in direct correlation to their short commings.
@GIboy19905 жыл бұрын
yes its not super scientific, but it doesn't have to be either. you can tell the difference using your own force applied between the two, just as you can tell the difference between an empty barbell and one with 2 45lb plates on it.
@GIboy19905 жыл бұрын
BUT, it would've been really easy to test applied force by putting a scale under the PVC pipe
@non-typicalhunter67765 жыл бұрын
@@GIboy1990 the funnybthing, is its so easy to understand, but hiw many people still shoot 350 grain arrows with 6% foc and 2" cut chisel tip mechanicals. These people wonder why they only 1 lung deer or why their heads fail on impact...to me it is common sense but its not very common.
@non-typicalhunter67765 жыл бұрын
@@GIboy1990 kzbin.info/www/bejne/mKG6lJSLes2JiaM, maybe this is more what your looking fir
@jameskorn83987 жыл бұрын
Due they make them for crossbows.?
@LimbDrivenTV6 жыл бұрын
james korn Maasai works great!
@samschmelzer57124 жыл бұрын
Its not about a pass through it’s about the amount of blood that comes out. A 3 blade will put a triangular hole which allows a lot of blood out
@MrDarwhite4 жыл бұрын
With a pass through, on average you double the amount of blood that comes out. (Two holes vs one) A pass through is the goal.
@crunch98763 жыл бұрын
@@MrDarwhite in reality a pass through bleeds s lot more than double. As with a non pass through often the arrow itself plugs the hole
@jasonharmon43144 жыл бұрын
How accurate are they
@jasonphillips735 жыл бұрын
That dudes hair is on backwards
@christoole68206 жыл бұрын
What is the name of this specific broadhead?
@GrizzlyStik6 жыл бұрын
Maasai single bevels < www.grizzlystik.com/Single-Bevel-Broadheads-C15.aspx >.
@tiberiu_nicolae5 жыл бұрын
If you're only looking at "mechanical advantage" might as well shoot a point with no blades
@dillonfoster80715 жыл бұрын
Its lloyd christmas
@chloerun6 жыл бұрын
Biased much??? lol. just looking for an opinion on a broad head that isn't motivated by $$$. this "presentation" is also not valid at all. so many factors come into play that are not mentioned. I guess whatever you gotta do to sell your own product. You will fool some but better products always rise to the surface.
@LimbDrivenTV6 жыл бұрын
Ashley Jones what factors aren't mentioned?
@ccleadge6 жыл бұрын
the strength of the shaft, is one major factor. use it on the wrong animal and you will have a catastrophic failure of the shaft. ozcut broadheads are where its at imo.
@TC-CustomZ-Archery5 жыл бұрын
Girls can’t kill shit without a man. Prove me wrong.
@kisvadasz16 жыл бұрын
BULLSHIT!!!! I kiss the sponsors! :-D
@YannsKitchenUK4 жыл бұрын
That’s a grizzly hairdo
@dege28886 жыл бұрын
Just saying Slash arrows offer over 5 inches of cutting edges. So be surprised.
@Ryan-jx4vh6 жыл бұрын
2 blades have less friction, which means better penetration.
@dullbrass7 жыл бұрын
Great presentation!
@mountaintroll78644 жыл бұрын
sorry but your card board test was not quantifiable. you have to have a steady measurable force to make it valid. also mechs have terrible mechanical advantage. the worse of any broadheads except turkey heads.
@the45er6 жыл бұрын
I would love to use a fixed two-blade broadhead like this but every one I've tried has simply been impossible (for me) to get to fly consistently well at any arrow speeds over 275 fps. They plane badly and end up flying all over the place!
@Eldrave206 жыл бұрын
Rob Abbott increase the FOC, they will level out.
@ccleadge6 жыл бұрын
that is a common issue with all fixed 2 blade broadheads, they have the ability to steer the arrow, either lower your arrow speed, go with a 3 blade fixed which is alligned with the vanes or go mechanical.
@dege28886 жыл бұрын
Also depends on the size of your vanes. Had blazer 2 inch vanes and my magnus buzzcut stingers planed. Put on 3 inch vanes and now they fly straight at over 300fps
@chickennuggetinagutter.78642 жыл бұрын
Tune the arrows
@dudeawesomebro93157 жыл бұрын
The issue i have ran into with 2 blade broadheads is they airplane on me
@ccleadge6 жыл бұрын
its not the FOC which fixes trhe planing its the reduced arrow speed.
@tomalophicon6 жыл бұрын
You need to tune your arrows...
@kidringo12576 жыл бұрын
I would possibly listen but these two and the good doctor seem like shisters....no science.. Just idiocy.
@MrDarwhite4 жыл бұрын
@@kidringo1257 You not being aware of the data does not mean it does not exist.
@bobalotb67604 жыл бұрын
Insert, nock, bareshaft tune?
@cfink20315 жыл бұрын
Can we see the Grizzly Stik head in ballistic gel? Preferably with some sort of accurate force meter? Otherwise your testing is very subjective.
@maineoutdoorsman6776 жыл бұрын
2 blade nap 100 grain or 100 thunderhead 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
@jesusoftheapes5 жыл бұрын
all you need to know about broadheads . Rocket Steelhead is as lethal as a .308 out to 100 yards . That is all !
@ThumbsMcThumb5 жыл бұрын
jesusoftheapes statement just as scientific as this video’s testing!
@tradmanmike33602 жыл бұрын
AND ONLY THE LOW LOW PRICE OF $119.00
@kevinpage8907 жыл бұрын
two blade single bevel all the way-
@Jack_The_Biker5 жыл бұрын
His mom must still cut his hair using a bowl.
@TopFuelKennels6 жыл бұрын
90 bucks for 3 broad heads.........
@jamesgoodrich83556 жыл бұрын
Holy unscientific commercial. Good grief
@ianorout3 жыл бұрын
There’s decades of studies that have gone into these. Really got me thinking about buying some of these and checking them out
@beccairvin98295 жыл бұрын
Structural integrity to me requires a one piece billet tool steel head, no screws or aluminum CNC machined and hardened to at least 50Rc, as for ease of penetration a 2 blade will win every time and important for youth and women shooting low poundage and a short draw. The sharpness is very important as you stated, however a blade with a curved surface is much more difficult and time consuming to re-sharpen than a straight blade. You mention that quality steel is important, but exactly what metals are you using and what is the hardness? Are your ferrels aluminum? They look like it. My choice for a single bevel 2 blade is the Cut Throat, it is constructed from a one piece billet of tool steel and hardened to 55 RC, very easy to sharpen, has the tanto point and is 1/3 the price of your over priced inferior head!
@peterfranzen35385 жыл бұрын
This is just an add no science here.
@casey1979305 жыл бұрын
"I've heard of 5 inch wound channels" 🤣 Well I've heard of 5.37 in wound channels.. now you tell me of a 🤣 gtfoh
@bobalotb67604 жыл бұрын
Wounds 2-4x the blade width and "L" or "starburst" have been seen regularly because the blade which is acually turning in the animal winds up the organs and tissues inside, once tight enough (which isnt much if your head is actually sharp) w.e its touching is cut. Twist a broadhead into a t-shirt, its similar to that. Its facts.
@tristianhaygood12056 жыл бұрын
look the allen is a 3 blade the other is just a single blade come on now like really
@anielloaniello82856 жыл бұрын
Bravi
@inkdhntr69945 жыл бұрын
Dont shoot the shoulder bone. Problem solved.
@MrDarwhite4 жыл бұрын
Telling us how you make sure the animal holds still would be a good start to solving the problem.
@HouseBladeDesign6 жыл бұрын
great shafts but way out of a working mans price...
@kennethsmith76185 жыл бұрын
Not buying these broadheads because of that dudes pseudo-bowl cut
@republicanglockguy49266 жыл бұрын
DUDE YOUR DAD IS COMING!!!! Shut his camera off and get out of his garage before he catches you!!!! Lol Jk great video 👍
@tomkarrow82084 жыл бұрын
mechanicals have a vey poor mech. ad.
@angryagain686 жыл бұрын
Tan- toe,
@skotttailor66157 жыл бұрын
My bowtech shoots around 320 fps hows acurcey at high speed
@LimbDrivenTV6 жыл бұрын
skott tailor perfect if your bow is tuned
@NoMomYoureWrong5 жыл бұрын
LOL did the GrizzlyStik guys pay the LimbDriven guys OR are the LimbDriven guys the GrizzlyStik guys. Regardless their is no unit of measurement what so ever other than, "WOW the one that I'm being paid to promote is WAY easier than the one I bought at Wal-Mart." I also like the speculation of a 5 inch wound channel, which is possible through the guts because of the folds and "stacking," if you will, but a 1 3/8 isn't going to cut a 5 inch wound channel on a broadside shot. You'd have to take an EXTREME quartering shot to even come close to cutting a hole that is a little less than 3.65 times larger than the mass you're shooting. At that point you might as well shoot it through the ass, which is unethical, which is also ironic but lets get back to science and math. Unless you're creating mass, which is impossible as stated first in the Law of Conservation of Mass and in the Principal of Mass Conservation a 5 inch wound channel that is 363.10% larger than the broadhead is absurd. I also did the math since skin and tissue on animals will stretch before it tears or cuts, and the most you'd be getting if the skin and tissue stretched before it cuts with a 13/8 broadhead would be 1.833 inches at a shot angle of 0 degrees. At a 45 degree angle to MOST would be 2.002 inches. So I guess the other 2.998 inches is filled with bullshit to give you your 5 inch wound channel. Of course this is on a broadside shot. Quartering shots are different but I can only offer rough numbers. If an animal is facing away at 82 degrees, with a shot angle of 0 degrees with a 1 3/8 inch cut your maximum entrance hole is about 2.844. At 45 degrees with the animal still at 82 degrees and a 1 3/8 head your hole is 3.013 which still isn't your "5 inch hole." Of course with a bigger head these number change drastically.