Choosing the right rope for DRT

[@robertcussen8039]

This video is a big help. Thanks!

[@melindaburdette341]

Very helpful🏩🏩🏩bless

[@NYSaddleHunter]

Thank you ! If you have any questions feel free to ask. facebook.com/groups/482289135843109/?ref=share_group_link www.newyorksaddlehunter.com/

[@NManitou]

Thanks fellas, I was wondering about how often to replace the rope.

[@CredibleHulk10]

I am binge watching all of your videos. FANTASTIC and chock full of great info, guys. The minimalist aspect of DRT really appeals to me and I am greatly appreciative of your efforts to put this stuff out for the rest of us. Keep up the good work.

[@NYSaddleHunter]

Thanks Jason !

[@garrettboyer5292]

Can you use the predator 11mm with a gri gri?

[@NYSaddleHunter]

The GriGri’s acceptable range is 8.5 - 11 mm. Predator is 11.4. . Even though the difference is minimal the manufacture really stresses you stay within the perimeters

[@The_Fit_ness_monster]

Is there a rope that I can SRT with a Grigri+ but could also-has good knot characteristics to be able to DRT with it?

[@NYSaddleHunter]

If you utilize a prussic you will be able to DRT climb with most any rope that doesn't have the knot characteristics of somthing like Samson predator , plus it gives you the same benefits of adding a split tail. That's another thing you could use on any rope add a split tail. Watch this video kzbin.info/www/bejne/jH60aKinbrZggbs

[@The_Fit_ness_monster]

@@NYSaddleHunter thanks! And with a little research i found the samson cool rope is great for both👍 little stronger than predator also

[@NYSaddleHunter]

@@The_Fit_ness_monster Is that the velocity rope ?

[@The_Fit_ness_monster]

@@NYSaddleHunter not sure its called Samson Hyperclimb cool. With hitches it can be used for SRT or DRT which is exactly what i was looking for. Just waiting for it to get delivered.

[@johntricarico7090]

New to saddle hunting. Also career firefighter so somewhat familiar with ropes. Your videos are great and the material you cover is very informative. Thank you for what y’all do!

[@NYSaddleHunter]

Thanks John!

[@j.custer8324]

I have a 10.1mm dynamic Petzl rope that was purchased for me as a gift about 8 years ago. It's been stored in climate control and never been climbed on. Do you think it will work for DRT or SRT? I have inspected it and found no flaws or issues other than age.

[@NYSaddleHunter]

Probably work fine for both .

[@NYSaddleHunter]

Question is how dynamic. There great rock climbing ropes. If there’s a lot of bounce, that transfers into energy loss . Arborist climbing ropes are more static but we’re also climbing much higher than hunting height. Try it out and see what you think 👍

[@shane462]

picked up the samson predator it's a great rope very happy i went that route! thinking i might buy another. great video by the way - exactly what i was looking for to address my concerns after my first go at climbing today. after an hour of cussing a swearing i finally made some progress and got up that damn rope! my cheap throw ball line broke on the tree after the first attempt pulling it through the crotch. second attempt: i lost the weight cuz im complete idiot. why would i pull it back up the tree so i watched my throw weight wrap around a branch😯.... - .opened my eyes as to the friction the rope is going through sliding on the tree - It seems the rope would last longer using the SRT method opposed to the DRT method less abrasion from sliding on the tree. method.

[@NYSaddleHunter]

The rope friction on the tree isnt what beats up the rope, its the friction in the hitch if you decend too quickly. Rope would probably last longer for SRT but honestly if you are using it foe hunting and recreational climbing itvwill last you many years. I just went to a new rope this week my original predator rope was bought in 2018 and I climb alot all year long DRT and my rope is still like new

[@shane462]

@@NYSaddleHunter that's great news cuz i don't plan to do anything faster but ascend. good to know those ropes can take a beating from the tree. thanks again for the climbing wisdom.🤘

[@DadDnumba1]

Great content enjoying the information. Thank you

[@NYSaddleHunter]

Thanks David , we really appreciate that!

[@watchingyou5003]

Hey guys. Great channel, I’m hooked. Going to try out saddle hunting next season. Thanks!

[@NYSaddleHunter]

Thanks! Good luck !

[@moonvalleypermaculture1281]

Thanks for the videos guys! Had my first DRT hunt this weekend and it was great. Alternating between DRT and one stick up, rappel down has had all my bases covered thus far. Thanks again for the videos!

[@NYSaddleHunter]

Thanks for watching and for the positive feedback. Glad its adding to your game. Best of luck this Season !

[@brakemadness]

NY Saddle Hunter Maybe I missed it but I was wondering what length of rope do you need if your highest set is 30’? All you should need is 60’ right?

[@NYSaddleHunter]

Brian Brake In reality yes. But you can’t count on tree limbs being a exact height. That is why we carry 75’ of climbing line. I felt this length would cover about 90% of the trees we need to get in without having to carry a whole hank of rope which is 120 - 150’. Joe and I ordered 150’ of Predator line so we would each have a 75’ line

[@dougrogillio2223]

I'd be interested to know how tree sap effects the rope? And, the procedure for cleaning it without damage to the rope?

[@NYSaddleHunter]

Depending on how bad the rope gets gummed up. Mild soap and warm water usually do the trick . If your hitch is still moving freely. I wouldn’t worry about it

[@nicod1886]

I know every is loving the predator rope but Check out “KnotandRope.com”. They have a great option for a camo rope called Deep Woods. It’s a 24 strand, 11mm, polyester rope with a tensile strength of 6,300lbs. I’ve been using it all year for my lineman’s belt and tether... it shows minimal to zero wear. They also sell it by the foot which is awesome. It’s about 90cents per foot.

[@ht_fab3525]

Nicolaus Drudi you use it for your climbing line?

[@nicod1886]

Hollowtodd Fabrication I didn’t this year because I already had some Velocity Cool rope I used for SRT, but plan on ordering some for my climbing line next year. They say it’s basically like Blue Craze or Rocket Line (some ropes that arborists use in the tree world).

[@jasonglover1012]

Is it also good for SRT

[@aaronfox915]

Great video. Very helpful video. Just pondering on rope color. Is Samson predator Camo color important for the DRT rope? Are you picking Camo so other hunters don’t notice you as much. I’m assuming other colors would be ok since deer can’t see some colors. Would even an orange rope be ok? Or even white/gray colors like Sitka camo. Just browsing that website and seeing if there is a better 24 strand, strength to weight ratio compared to the Sampson predator that’s comparable in price. Is the Sampson predator camo just personal preference or does it have other advantages? Thanks again guys. Enjoying your videos. Just getting into saddle hunting. DRT is intriguing me.

[@NYSaddleHunter]

Camo is more of a preference for us. There are several other good ropes for DRT in WesSpurs catalog. Some have a smaller diameter other’s are larger. 11.4 Predator is the smallest I would go for DRT. Larger diameter feels better in your hand. Doesn’t cut into you as much. Predator works for us on a number of reasons Color , packability , weight , good knot characteristics, and just the right amount of dynamics. At 3% elongation your not getting excessive bounce . If your looking for a rope that performs like Predator with a larger diameter and a 7,643 lb tensile strength. Direction Up is a good choice. Plus it’s color pallet with black and green will keep visibility at a minimum. It’s out of order at the moment. As soon as it comes in. I’ll put it through it’s paces. Thanks Aaron and Good Luck !

[@patrickwerquin9111]

Thanks for your advice! can you tell if we need to do something on a brand new rope, clean up/wach it or something else before to use it..

[@NYSaddleHunter]

If it’s badly burned and if it’s on the tail end of the rope. Remove burnt part and tape end. I’m going to be debuting a alternative rope for climbing . Since a lot of you guys like climbing as much as we do. I keep a second climbing rope just for hunting so it stays scent free. And a alternate rope for Rec Climbing to stay in shape.

[@michaelranalli9316]

Thanks for the quick response and great job with the videos.

[@NYSaddleHunter]

Thanks Mike !

[@johnnyholmes5688]

Thanks guys, great info.

[@callindquist702]

Can you show us how to tie the carabiner on the Predator rope? Where does the line come for the Brusic knot?

[@NYSaddleHunter]

Cal Here you go kzbin.info/www/bejne/eGqzd5qBhtKDarc

[@edhead35]

I've heard you guys say you use about 75' of rope for your DRT rope. Is this 75' after your all of your knots are tied, or just 75' of rope and you're including how much is needed for knots to reach desired heights? I always tend to underestimate how much is needed for my knots.

[@NYSaddleHunter]

75' total that's enough to get you around 35' high. You use about 5' for the knots and Blake's hitch

[@nicklausmisiti5204]

@@NYSaddleHunter so a 60' or even 50' would work for most hunters to get 20' up? what length do you recommend for SRT?

[@NYSaddleHunter]

@@nicklausmisiti5204 So you need to consider not every tree will have a good limb at 20' so with 75' any good limb within 35 ' will work . With SRT you could use less rope but you still need enough rope or you can use paracord to add to bring you up and back down to run through a slip knot . I like to carry 75' off rope for srt also and I tie either a midline alpine butterfly or I can base tie and climb like that. The 75' gives you more options. Carrying less rope is less weight and bulk but adds another step to setting up so you would have to see what you personally prefer but I like Carrying 75' for both DRT and SRT

[@Andovirus]

Great videos guys thanks for all the info. Do you both use platforms or does Scott just use the lean to post up for a shot?

[@NYSaddleHunter]

We both use platforms. Joe has the predator, Scott has the ridge runner. However we both tend to prefer the predator. Its a little easier to lock into place and its a nit more sleek and packable

[@NYSaddleHunter]

I use a Ridge Runner by Out On A Limb if there are no good limbs to stand on. I have one set I have to use one climbing stick with a 12’ rope mod to reach around the large diameter trunk . It’s all about adapting .Joe use a Predator platform by Tethered both are good. Choices. But if we had to choose . The Predator would be our first choice. Thanks for the support !

[@340wbymag]

There are climbing ropes, rappelling ropes, rigging ropes, general purpose ropes, and many others, so it is easy to buy the wrong kind. Be careful. Ask questions before you make your purchase or you will end up like me, with several types of expensive rope not well-suited for my needs.

[@paulcrave3112]

Thanks again boys.

[@d.e.g.beesattheswartzranch2287]

What about hunting in rain/freezing conditions? Whats your experience/opinion on the rope stretching in the rain or the prussik or blakes hitch failing in these conditions from ice?

[@NYSaddleHunter]

Freezing rain is probably the only weather you should be mindful of. I climbed for 30+ yrs. doing tree work. Other than heavy rain or freezing rain. Work in the elements every day with no problems. Thanks for your questions. Good luck. Be safe !!!

[@michaelranalli9316]

How much Sampson Predator 11.4mm do you guys recommend for DRT climbing 20’ to 25’?

[@NYSaddleHunter]

We carry 75’ it gets us to 20 ‘- 25 ‘ platform height comfortably. Some Trees may have limbs that start at 30 - 35’ in height this is why you need at least 75’

[@patrickwerquin9111]

Does it matter if the rope is 35% dynamic on 11.4

[@NYSaddleHunter]

Patrick Im not sure what % dynamic samson predator is that we use but I dont believe its that dynamic. The more dynamic a rope is the more work it is to climb because its stretching . If you think about climbing somthing more static is easier to climb than somthing thsts stretching . You want it to be a static line with good knot ability. This is what we usewww.wesspur.com/items/pr15.html Watch this video we made it might help kzbin.info/www/bejne/jmKsfaJ-aLCsr6M

[@patrickwerquin9111]

@@NYSaddleHunter Thanks for your advice

[@NYSaddleHunter]

@@patrickwerquin9111 Pat I would maybe contact the rope manufacturer or the dealee and as if that rope will work for DRT/ DDRT . Its hard to say if a 35% dynamuc rope is good wirhout more information .

[@Tatorhead1234]

What about srt? What diameter rope, and what length do I need? Just ordered a grigri

[@NYSaddleHunter]

Since your climbing on a single line 75 would be plenty . Most ropes come in 120’ and 150’ as far as diameter you’ll have to check the specs on the gri gri you ordered make sure it falls somewhere in the middle of the specified mm . For example if your gri gri lists 8.5 - 11mm. You should be 8.9 - 10.5 for optimum performance. Hope that answers your question. Thanks SO

[@NYSaddleHunter]

@@Tatorhead1234 Pick a color . Any of these will work fine so long as you buy the size within the range of your mechanical gear specs www.wesspur.com/rope/srt-single-rope-technique-climbing-line.html

[@NYSaddleHunter]

Southern Outdoorsman if you contact Wesspur talk to a representative they should make up a rope for you. Tell them NY Saddle Hunter sent you. Well send you a link

[@andrewbottrell1048]

Wesspur had 80’ of Bigfoot in the clearance section and I snatched it up. Still waiting on my saddle. Are we sure the color of the rope is important? All of the rope is up the tree with you when you are hunting because you pulled your weapon up with it. I have always been told that deer see in shades of grey. Who knows. Have you guys been spotted using bright ropes by deer?

[@NYSaddleHunter]

Color is totally up to the individual. I personally like the camo rope. Big foot is a good climbing rope 16 strand. 12mm is a nice rope . Good feel in hand. A bit heavier than Predator. A bit more dynamic at 3.3 % elongation but a over all good climbing rope. . Good luck Andrew !!!

[@philg27]

The answer to deer vision question is: No, deer cannot see blazeorange the same way that humans see it. It likely appears brown or gray todeer. But they are more sensitive to blue wavelengths than humans, and probably to clothing that has been washed in detergent that contains UV brighteners.Dec 5, 2012 Soooo.....camo rope that your going to put away anyway..... you can tell who's getting free gear

[@bparker502]

Can you use the predator rope for SRT? It would be nice to be able to climb either way with a single rope.

[@NYSaddleHunter]

You could just need SRT equipment built for 11.4mm you could use a petzl decender instead of the gri-gri I believe. Just need to verify the rope diameter specs

[@patrickwerquin9111]

48 strand..and 11 instead off 11.4

[@limplin7]

The problem with "Samson Predator" is that it is never "in stock" and milks. Plus based on my research deer don't see red, orange, yellow...and most ropes are these bright colors. As long as you stay away from violet, purple, blue you are good.

[@NYSaddleHunter]

I Pre stretch the Predator rope first than tape both ends and melt with a torch. Seems to keep milking to a minimum. As far as color.goes , I think it bothers me more than it does the deer Lol .

[@anonymous_friend]

@@NYSaddleHunter what kind of tape do i need? do you have a video on this?