Chris Draper analyses winning formula of Emirates Team New Zealand | Yachting World

What's made Emirates Team New Zealand the faster America's Cup boat, and could the AC50 formula be improved?
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[@zaaooo3182]

great input ,the one thing that sucks about this current event is the free live coverage and thats why i want emirates team nz to win because the americans have taken the viewer out of this event and placed it in the rich an famous hands.we use to watch it live on youtube. rock on tnz

[@awuma]

I wouldn't bet on better availability of viewing from NZ. It's all a question of money, and tighter corporate control of what shows up on services such as KZbin. Pay-per-view has now been perfected on the Internet, while TV rights are now generally sold to channels which themselves cost extra to access, whether through specialty subscriptions or pay-per-view. This has happened to all professional high-value sport, e.g. F1, NHL etc., where there are billions of dollars to be made. Don't forget that New Zealanders have been pretty much running the America's Cup contest (e.g. Coutts), and through Ellison have had access to very powerful Internet control.

[@C2toC4]

awuma; lets not forget what actually did happen in the past: good old TVNZ did make it free to air (live) when they had charge. Lets hope for the same again next time around, now that we've won... :) Especially since the NZ government contributed $M towards the ETNZ 2017 campaign to keep it afloat; the NZ tax payers should surely get to literally 'see' where there money went! (Live ideally). (But I'm also becoming cynical with the coroporate media control happening in this sport, and elsewhere...)

[@TheFossie12]

C2toC4 - Awumu's betting advice may well good but we're approx 3 mths from the election and Bill could do much worse than assuring NZ's that free to air or some form of it became an election promise (bribe) Unfortunately, bill isn't JK so such marketing subtleties may fly over his radar however if you wanted to creatively spend a % of taxpayer $ on TNZ support, imo that wouldn't be a bad way to do it...

[@awuma]

I wrote somewhere else that Government support would probably result in free-to-air in New Zealand. My remarks above apply to everywhere else, and to high-value sports in general. I don't live in NZ anymore :-(

[@bobj5357]

Big mono hulls!! Volvo Ocean class boats would be fun to watch.

[@awuma]

And the new (post-2017/18) Volvo class will feature foiling monohulls, which are inherently much safer. I think there is much technical improvement possible there, just as foiling catamarans have radically advanced since catamarans were adopted for AC after 2010. There is probably more scope for foiling technology to find a wider market on monohulls, which could be good for New Zealand's boat industry. PS: Future Volvo round-the-world "events" will feature races on separate foiling catamarans between crews at the ports of call along the way.

[@burgeroosthuizen1593]

I reckon that the 4 other teams became "in-bred" technically during their long time together in Bermuda.

[@LozzaTurbo]

Exactly. At 3:30 pretty much sums up a big part in their winning formula. They keep out of the spying, all watching bullshit.

[@rjh6037]

They actually keep an eye on competition but more to evaluate them. None of the other teams had any IP worth stealing.

[@vikz5786]

Oracle making errors because the tech changes they've made has virtually created a new development program for the sailing crew. Hard to adapt so quickly in a simple testing environment; virtually impossible in the white hot cauldron of match racing. All this Oracle drama points to one thing - their design team failed to produce fast and stable enough in the first place. They're paying for it now.

[@mtl-ss1538]

Peter Burling MNZM is the 2017 America's Cup champion helmsman, Olympic gold and silver medallist He won four consecutive 49er World Championships, two 420 class World Championships and the 2015 Moth World Championships

[@SirBobMarley1]

Chris has a valid point, what every one is for getting, Team ETNZ came in last too this regatta, and team Oracle won the preliminary races and were 1 point up before the finishes start, the fact is ETNZ as Abby from TVNZ you guy's have been foxing all the way along and to learn so fast, point here technology, dragger boards, cyclers, x box control box, there are all things that has been spoken prior and during this regatta, so they did their homework before they came too this regatta 2 days before the start while all the other teams, they knew the course, weather conditions, some been in Bermuda 2 years before this event took place. So they had all the advantage over Team ETNZ in match racing and so on and so forth. The thing that pointed out is that the first 4 races team ETNZ came out and they cleaned up, This weekend after 5 day break to improve wind speed and make theses adjustments for team Oracle, they improved at what cost because they admitted too many mistakes & errors in day 2 of todays races and with only 1 more win for team ETNZ the event is handed over to team ETNZ and departs back to New Zealand shores. Team ETNZ had a lot hinging on from the previous America's cup, almost closing shop today it has been proven they got the best people, new team, younger and willing to be open and to learn, technology, speed, less mistakes, they had a total package that have never had to make any major changes as team Oracle had too. Tomorrow is a new day, new beginning and both teams now have to focus of crossing the line first so all the best Motto " Who Dears Wins" tomorrow is again day for racing 35th America's Cup 27 June 2017.

[@canuckiwi2]

I think you meant to quote the SAS motto, Who Dares wins!

[@SirBobMarley1]

Bob yes you 100% correct on that I have the utmost respect for those guy's as a member of my family was in this unit.

[@canuckiwi2]

As was I.

[@rjh6037]

Sir Bob -- it wasn't foxing so much as just saving for best gear for the battle against Oracle. Take for example the foil kit --- takes 18-21 days to make a new one. Why show your hand to Oracle and let them steal it. Yes ETNZ is going fast, but they also built a boat for lower wind conditions - a move that paid off because they were fairly confident what the wind in Bermuda would be like at the end of June. The point is - they got so many things right, they evolved and evolved and evolved. The biggest risk was that the Kiwis boat is so compromised from the crash and they've managed to hold it together.

[@SirBobMarley1]

RJH Thank you for your response, I have been view all the video, comments, this is the 1st time I have had any interest in this event, I have been involved in Athletics Cycling Triathlons, most of my life, I was brought up in Aotearoa until I depart in 1984, I had a vision that this country will become a place that people want to move too, visit, but behind the scenes until the reached Bermuda, they kept all their cards close too their chest and they had a big learning curve to master their boat in the time they had arrived it was a step of faith, but what it give them and that the trap all the other teams under estimate the potential what was about ( a time bomb ready to go off) It was timing patience and execution to nail the last race to pull off and win, never giving away too much enough for the media to keep asking more about the team, It wasn't about money, it was about redemption from the lose 4 years earlier they almost closed shop, They had too think outside of that square box, they had questions that had answers for they had the designers but was it going too work ( as long as you keep developing yes it will) today all the hard work total package payed off. Today in the yachting world New Zealand now the world leader for boating as America is for computers, so closing its patiences regardless of what others are doing stick too your plan see it come too fruition and today it proof because now the cup goes back to Aotearoa for the 2nd time since Australia started this back in the 60 -70 too finish take it in 1983 so we have a lot to take Australia to give exposure of this great event on water.

[@peace-now]

Glad we beat that horrible Ainslie. What an arrogant man. He sure can't stand us Kiwis either.

[@SailingLuckyfish]

By far the best synopsis so far. Great questions rewarded with equally great answers. A performance to rival TNZ's. Well done Yachting World.

[@the_lomax]

The best thing about ETNZ winning is that everyday people will once again be able to see these boats fly on the water!

[@BoldUniverse]

Excises, excuses! pffffft! Just beaten by a better team with superior tactics, boat, and utilization of far fewer resources! Say what you like, it doesn't change facts!

[@samsonmorrell]

Team Nz found loopholes in the rules???? Lol no they were just better than everyone else.

[@mitchellkilla5224]

That's not what he said kaka breath

[@samsonmorrell]

@@mitchellkilla5224 OK Cum Bum haha

[@samsonmorrell]

@Angelous Bacon hahahaha fuck up idiot loooooooser haha go fuck yourself bitch boy

[@samsonmorrell]

@Angelous Bacon your Mother & Father were Brother & Sister hahahaha

[@o0bananaman0o]

You would think that with airbus as a sponsor, oracle would have the edge in fluid dynamics and flight control

[@asterixdogmatix1073]

ETNZ's design chief came from six years with one of the big Formula 1 teams, so equally proficient.

[@uberseehandel]

I suspect that Auckland Uni fluid dynamics facilities are better suited to yacht racing. Sail boats travel through two different fluids - air and water, generating lift in both. Critically, these cats are travelling no faster than 50 knots, which is below the Airbus fleet stall speed. Auckland also has a wind tunnel that is capable of simulating wind shear at low wind speeds. Wind shear is a fact of life for sailors. There are not many wind tunnels anywhere that can realistically recreate low speed wind sheer (I think it is at half scale).

[@travellingsoldier5018]

8.50 Team Emirates NZ. What? Hold my beer! Looking forward to a great event in 2021, if the world hasn't gone stark raving mad by then.

[@davemckenna8591]

Now it is NEW ZEALAND that makes the rules , Difference is we make will make fair and even . Not like the aussie team ,opps i mean the american team

[@asterixdogmatix1073]

Always great hearing Chris' well educated views.

[@SailingLuckyfish]

hes a smart guy

[@rjh6037]

Smart guy but not inventive Hed never get in to ETNZ, he's well below that level.

[@wayneharrison2358]

Great interview

[@SailingLuckyfish]

plus one

[@ZuidHollandsePlassen]

Talk, talk, talk and no sailing

[@dvollb4874]

It's not the boat it's an Australian skipper past his prime. The speed of these boats require cool fast declension making. Rookie mistakes like getting badly hooked at the start, running past the course limits and dropping the hulls into the water can not produce wins. Is there a backup skipper for Oracle? How about an American skipper sailing for America????

[@Lindsay5137]

Don't think there were many Americans on Oracle.

[@jasongreen7811]

Lindsay McIsaac his brand took a hit with the team blaming the software for losing

[@grousetheghoul2754]

D , from what little I;ve heard someone said the skipper on Japan's boat better know how to speak Japanese. So hopefully your concern has been realised. I'd like to see that too, and not the New Zealanders that take the money to sell out their country that run American ships. I'm not going to mention the first 2 names that come to mind, namely Coutts and Spithill. OOPS , I was wrong. I did anyway.

[@grousetheghoul2754]

I think the first thing everyone needs to remember is that Team NZ didn't take the money to lose eight races in a row like in 2013.

[@memorykara222]

the thing is if it really came to a match racing race thats when the cyclors would have truly proved effective but they didnt really have to race that way so GG

[@Pewit35]

I think the Youth Americas Cup had much more interesting races with more basic and more physical smaller foiling cats - fleet racing, winches rather than grinders/cyclors. I'd like to see similar boats used with a mix of a knockout round of fleet racing followed by final of match racing between the top 4 teams so it shows off both aspects of the sport.

[@TheFossie12]

But you would agree Paul that TNZ was right to employ whatever technology it took to get the cup back to NZ in order to address the very issues you mention. Peter Burling commented last night that he's excited by this new go fast era. But he also pointed out that the starts, picking windshifts, tactics, tacking duels, boat control, and general prediction and sailing comes back to the sailors. Imo the Auck inner harbour could produce some of the best sailing conditions for the next cup you're ever likely to see. It can be a monster in a tea cup and spectator proximity is guaranteed..

[@DavidMiddleton101]

Chris was right on point when thinking that the boats will change. Right on point!

[@Viendopiedra5029]

You-tube next time!

[@SuperDirk1965]

7:58: it's not difficult to know where it should go. Back to the 12m class.

[@rosemarylusty8045]

Engines on a yacht! Those dreadful mockeries they have now are bad enough! Bring back mono hulls and grace

[@C2toC4]

Rosemary Lusty. It's interesting huh? The hydraulic manually-charged and activated pressure-accumulator systems do change the game. In a sense.. What about winches on a more traditional boat? These add leverage to the sailors hand movements allowing them to tighen ropes much more tightly than they could do by pulling the ropes directly in their hands (as they might have done 'back in the day' such as in the first America's Cup race; probably with the direct muscle of a bunch of guys.In a sense the modern hydraulic system in this latest AC class boats are kind of the same thing as winches: they magnify human input to control aspects of the boat which would otherwise require more force than an individual human sailor could provide. The main difference is that this human input energy can now be saved (accumulated) for use later in the race.. But yes; I agree - including actual engines is well over the line from 'sailing'!!

[@jameslittlewood7663]

The AC class rules allow 60V of stored electricity. Reckon the flying kiwis are rocking out on a bit of AC/DC?

[@awuma]

Huh? You probably mean amp-hours. The voltages used are generally 24 and 12 volts.

[@00BillyTorontoBill]

I think the course needs to be bigger (wider and longer) not match racing in a hallway. Or go back to monohulls. But to make it worthy now ..it would have to be the 90'LWL behemoth moth class? is that possible?

[@billmcflinn5028]

00Billy m

[@jasongreen7811]

The boats won't be at the next Americas cup, bring back real match racing with mono hulls

[@awuma]

I fully support the idea that there be an additional power source, because the recent class rules for AC, Volvo etc. have put too much emphasis on brute muscle power and strength, while still requiring sailing skill and finesse. This emphatically excludes women from top-level team crewed sailing, unlike single-handed big boat sailing, or earlier editions of the Whitbread and Volvo ocean races, where women have been competitive. The classes should be designed in such a way that they are not restricted mainly to very strong guys. Sailing isn't rowing or cycling! (The Volvo organisers recognised this, and the Volvo 60 boats are easier to handle, with scoring incentives to include more women in the crews).

[@grousetheghoul2754]

Remember back when the Americans had an all woman crew and they weren't told a deal had been cut to get Dennis Connor as the defender boat in spite of the fact he was repeatedly being thrashed by the women ? This was the AC where they ended the practise of hunting on opposing legs when one of the girls was hit by a boom avoiding DC's boat cause it had right of way and literally was almost killed . He was so far behind that drawing a penalty was his only chance to win. I believe she ended up being concussed. No penalties or sanctions against Connor. The rules at the time allowed for some of that but trying to deliberately trying to injure someone was not. American TV's golden boy was well and truly above the rules. This is the same Dirty Dennis during an interview one of his underlings tried to spear someone swimming underwater spying on his boat . I believe it was on live TV, where was the arrest and the charge of attempted murder ? Nothing was done. DC was above the rules.

[@Inkling777]

Thanks for an accurate headline. This really was "Emirates Team New Zealand." Virtually everything involved with the winning team from clothing to the sail had "Emirates" on it. They, rather that the Kiwis, seem to have provided most of the money. If I were a New Zealander, I'd find that depressing. There's no glory in being a hired hand.

[@TheFossie12]

Remarkable paragraph Mr Perry. The two relevant words from your entire paragraph were "winning team". Regarding the rest, somebody else might be willing to help you...

[@rjh6037]

100% respect to Emirates, a 'thick and thin' sponsor - and as reward to Emirates the returns is now excellent. But there were many other sponsors who have contributed a lot here and some private backers who simply given money without even wanting to be named. The NZ government only gave a small amount but that came at a time where that $5M saved the team from folding - and where they went out and started again. Considering The America's Cup is likely worth $1b to the NZ economy - not a bad bet for the NZ Government. As I am a Kiwi, I can tell you I am MORE impressed at how ETNZ sourced the funding than say Oracle where Larry Ellison's budget is essentially unlimited. He may have spent over billion on the cup in the last 10 years but he is hardly going to miss it. ETNZ are not as highly as Oracle but the CEO took a fair chunk of money over a very extended period - some find that quite disappointing too. But since the win of AC35 has happened it becomes hard to argue against Daltons fee.