Chris Harris M5 Touring Project Part 2 | 15+ Years Of Life Uncovered

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26 күн бұрын

The E61 M5 Touring saga continues! In part 1, Chris Harris finally snagged his dream wagon - the legendary V10-powered beast. He hit the track, and let's just say that 128,000 miles haven't exactly been kind.
Now, it's time for a makeover! Chris teams up with BMW guru Darragh Doyle from 'EverythingM3s' to open the bonnet and go over all the upgrades he's already made to fix the M5's woes. Warning lights? Gone. Costly noises? Maybe. Plus, get a sneak peek at the exciting plans Chris has brewing for his beloved wagon. Part 2: Buckle up, the M5 Touring is about to get expensive!
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@tbillington
@tbillington 24 күн бұрын
I like how Chris is turning this car into a business expense so it doesn't bankrupt him 😂
@DWTSVIDS
@DWTSVIDS 9 күн бұрын
was just about to say you need a good running youtube channel to keep these cars running😂😂😂, I guess thats why mine doesnt run 🤣🤣
@Ultratoast01
@Ultratoast01 24 күн бұрын
Came here to echo the comments on how much I enjoyed this 20 minute video 5 minutes after it went up. And Enzo is a great name for a dog.
@bradwillard8009
@bradwillard8009 22 күн бұрын
childhood dog was named enzo after the car. best dog ever.
@richardharrold9736
@richardharrold9736 20 күн бұрын
​@@bradwillard8009 I know a supercar owner who has a pet called Enzo. However, Enzo is not a dog. He's a (ridiculously chilled-out) Bengal tiger. When he was an adolescent cub rescued from a circus, he used to ride around town leaning out the passenger window of a yellow Lamborghini Diablo.
@BiglumpADV
@BiglumpADV 24 күн бұрын
More of these video please, bloody enjoy Chris being Chris and pooring over older cars
@Andrew-ch1zf
@Andrew-ch1zf 24 күн бұрын
“Pooring”, that was Freudian
@secretsquirrel3793
@secretsquirrel3793 24 күн бұрын
Looking forward to the E28 M5 vid even more than I did this one. CH's earlier vid on it in his Drive era is one of my faves.
@jamest5149
@jamest5149 24 күн бұрын
Chris, I did a full Porsche Carbon Ceramic conversation on my E60 M5 15 years ago… speak to BG Developments in Bromsgrove or reach out as I still have the drawings for the disc bells and calliper carriers to convert the PCCB’s to BMW, front and rear (rears had the handbrake designed in the bells) 👍
@anthonyricci1205
@anthonyricci1205 24 күн бұрын
Please share! I was about to order the carbon ceramics from a F82/F87 to bolt up to my E61 M. But PCCB sounds way more interesting. How difficult and expensive did that project turn out? How well did Porsche parts integrate with the car? Really cool, never heard of someone doing that retrofit.
@sbkpeace.24
@sbkpeace.24 23 күн бұрын
That's cool, I wanna see that 👍
@farturinn
@farturinn 23 күн бұрын
I put Ceramics from a McLaren SLR up front on my E36 M3 GT back in 2007 :D
@anthonyricci1205
@anthonyricci1205 20 күн бұрын
Any details you can share James?
@duffydon1741
@duffydon1741 19 күн бұрын
@ all you boys, James wanted Chris’s attention and response, not yoll, sorry lads!!!
@TRHamza
@TRHamza 24 күн бұрын
Loved the line of 10w60 in the boot floor 😂
@gordanfreeman509
@gordanfreeman509 20 күн бұрын
We need Chris Harris and Sreten from M539Restorations content😮
@barryvyner1161
@barryvyner1161 24 күн бұрын
Two proper car people. Doesn't get better than that.
@aquaticko
@aquaticko 22 күн бұрын
Honestly, V10, estate car....This thing could be up on blocks 90% of the time and I'd still be DEEPLY in love with it. Also, YES: INTAKE NOISE!! No moaning, droning, vacuum cleaner wooshing noises; let me hear pistons and valves!
@pearsy85
@pearsy85 24 күн бұрын
"Get off the f**king ramp" 😂
@wherethesundontshine6912
@wherethesundontshine6912 24 күн бұрын
enzo! 😂
@Supercars_of_dubai
@Supercars_of_dubai 24 күн бұрын
I had a Golf R32 for a couple of years. I enjoyed nothing more than going to the “doctor” to put it up and discuss what needs fixing. There’s something about these car discussions with the mechanic especially when you appreciate every part of the car driving experience and you look forward to making it even better.
@MattyI971
@MattyI971 24 күн бұрын
Niel O and Chris back on the "On Cars" love this stuff, thanks boys 🤪
@BrianSuero
@BrianSuero 24 күн бұрын
The genuine car nuttery that is Mr. Harris brings utter joy to me!
@Petrospect
@Petrospect 24 күн бұрын
I saw the E28 in the end, that is a PROPER car! Will love to see more of it, the original film on it back in the /DRIVE days is probably my favorite video Chris ever made, nice to see it stuck around! Also yes, Enzo is a brilliant name for a dog. Loved that! Will send this video to a friend tempted by these for how cheap they are to get to 200MPH in 🤣
@3ducs
@3ducs 24 күн бұрын
Had one, a 1987 535 iS-A. Even as an automatic on TRX tires a great car.
@secretsquirrel3793
@secretsquirrel3793 24 күн бұрын
kzbin.info/www/bejne/fKuygYVtiLmkqLMsi=b-qjc2ub_lbCpESL
@2dcutout
@2dcutout 14 күн бұрын
I'm just about to buy my old E28 back and I can't wait! It's no M5, but it's had an M50B25 stuffed in and it's fun! E28's are underappreciated, I absolutely love them and can't wait to see Chris's video on it.
@davidbrett2117
@davidbrett2117 24 күн бұрын
Proper Chris Harris content 🙏 about a proper car ! More of this please !
@maverick4177
@maverick4177 24 күн бұрын
Imagine the benefits of NOT owning one of these
@ikaros4203
@ikaros4203 24 күн бұрын
im not sure but my dog keeps asking to go 180mph
@thepro08
@thepro08 24 күн бұрын
exactly... even if it was a ferrari i cant stand unreliable anything.... even if it was a gf, if she fails on me she have to go, thats it, lifes to short to have even more problems when u can avoid it and i also own a 5 series of the next gen and it still have alot of made to brake quality german engineering... reality is bmw make more money out of maintenaince that from selling the cars.... and its never a good sign if you have to open the engine bay more than 1 time per year.
@ivarmarkusson382
@ivarmarkusson382 24 күн бұрын
@@thepro08 more than once a year? i see you dont know much about cars
@kingofnotts9048
@kingofnotts9048 24 күн бұрын
You'll need to open it more than that just for screen wash alone ​@@thepro08
@justfasial01
@justfasial01 24 күн бұрын
@@thepro08 it's not a Honda civic, it's a road car with a race engine. Of course it requires more maintenance 😂
@jayfarthing
@jayfarthing 22 күн бұрын
Could listen to Chris natter on about cars for hours. Great stuff.
@ChristianBliss-bx6yk
@ChristianBliss-bx6yk 20 күн бұрын
Darragh truly knows his stuff! And congrats to Chris for his sheer bravery in buying this magnificent machine.
@JohnSmith979
@JohnSmith979 24 күн бұрын
Chris, you are a proper car guy, I hope you continue doing car stuff for a long time, as there are fewer and fewer of "your kind"! Also, you should do a collaboration with @M539 Restorations (YT channel, this guy is doing amazing work), I'm sure he'd make this car perfect! Cheers
@masoncordell6171
@masoncordell6171 23 күн бұрын
That’d be awesome!!!
@applejuice5272
@applejuice5272 10 күн бұрын
Have the same opening rear windscreen on my 75 Tourer's tailgate - it's been problem-free! 🤪
@Miggy2j
@Miggy2j 24 күн бұрын
I love this thing so much, I could never afford the maintenance so living vicariously through Chris is the next best thing 👌
@chrishalsey836
@chrishalsey836 20 күн бұрын
This is what we love to see Harris
@JayEmmOnCars
@JayEmmOnCars 22 күн бұрын
I actually always drove my E92 M3 on the stick when on road, felt more interactive. On track I used the paddles (aftermarket ones which were great, but felt silly at 30mph)
@dougie8010
@dougie8010 3 күн бұрын
BEST BMW seats are e38 Contours, delicious!
@mrcogginsgarage7062
@mrcogginsgarage7062 24 күн бұрын
E28 every time for me just so chuckable,those were indeed the days.
@mattb4353
@mattb4353 24 күн бұрын
We need a follow up video now please with driving impressions after you've had the work done. 🙏
@sergeyzvezdov8195
@sergeyzvezdov8195 20 күн бұрын
I love these types of videos. It reminded me of 10 - 14 years ago Drive Channel, which was amazing and the best. Also, I love how Chris called people discussing old and worn parts nerds. He also calls people like that a "sad individual". Love it! Please make more videos like that!
@CR-xv8wm
@CR-xv8wm 23 күн бұрын
It’s funny you mention how good the sound of the hifi in this car. We have a 2007 335i that’s the same year as this car. Without a doubt it’s one of the best sounding stock audio systems I’ve ever heard. The car is 17+ years old and it sounds way better than the optional/upgraded stereo systems available in new cars now.
@adriaanserrao2016
@adriaanserrao2016 24 күн бұрын
Once again love the fact that the e60 platform is finally getting some recognition
@joemoorse
@joemoorse 11 күн бұрын
Harris is such a funny guy, great to see him unfiltered
@DannyBradshaw
@DannyBradshaw 24 күн бұрын
E61 and E28 - a man of taste I see.
@linesy77
@linesy77 21 күн бұрын
I absolutely love that Harris gives the true costs. So different to other YT who gloss over costs
@kylem7457
@kylem7457 21 күн бұрын
Not bashing because I love the content. But as an e60 m5 owner I think he’s under estimating costs here. I know that Intake and plenum from infinity design is £3.5k! I’d say he’s getting free to cheap labour to only be at £10k for all that work! Most of the work he’s done here I’ve also done to mine and I was at £10k just for the intake, rod bearings and control arms. Let alone the clutch and anything else!
@jonasbaine3538
@jonasbaine3538 20 күн бұрын
@@kylem7457that’s not worth it. Insane costs.
@kylem7457
@kylem7457 20 күн бұрын
@@jonasbaine3538 I think it’s subjective. It’s. Avery special motor, the CSL never saw production and this part is exactly what BMW had on their CSL prototype. It’s a lot of carbon, well engineered and plays a beautiful tune of an aspirated V10. To me, worth every cent
@jonasbaine3538
@jonasbaine3538 20 күн бұрын
@@kylem7457 it’s the car appreciating or depreciating in value?
@kylem7457
@kylem7457 20 күн бұрын
@@jonasbaine3538 appreciating? The fact you have to ask tells me a lot
@ZeeBri
@ZeeBri 24 күн бұрын
This is the perfect content. Neil and Chris showing some proper car nerdery
@bonzaimolly
@bonzaimolly 22 күн бұрын
Chris back to his old video style. Best out there!! More please 🙏
@drifter2090
@drifter2090 20 күн бұрын
Love the mr12volt unit! Glad you got it as well
@Niracka1
@Niracka1 19 күн бұрын
Finally, someone talking sense about why the SMG is so good and engaging to drive. Great video as always
@wwilll
@wwilll 18 күн бұрын
Chris makes the best content, he should do it for a living.
@Punisher9419
@Punisher9419 24 күн бұрын
The oil consumption is fucked but then so is the fuel economy.
@r129r16pfl
@r129r16pfl 24 күн бұрын
My ex e46 m54b22 also required 1l oil every month, maybe because ccv was a bit f*ckd. Fuel consumption and power was fine, also no oil puddles on the ground, exhaust wasn't smoking, and always past the emissions @ MoT My ex e36 m52b28 didn't drink a sip of oil😮 but it had oil catch can instead of oem ccv.
@aza111
@aza111 9 күн бұрын
If you listen to the collecting cars podcast he changes oil brand and the consumption is radically reduced.
@marcwonnacott3286
@marcwonnacott3286 24 күн бұрын
More of these videos pls. Love watching Chris. One of the best on cars around.
@kylem7457
@kylem7457 21 күн бұрын
Love the ID Intake and plenum, pair that with their equal length headers and you’ve got a properly breathing V10! Also there’s a tonne of options to get CarPlay in these cars but the mr12v is by far the best, it’s the only one that send audio via fiber optic to the amp so the quality is as good as what you’d get in any car today! Love this content!
@there_and_back
@there_and_back 24 күн бұрын
Need more of these. Longer episodes like the old CH on Cars 👍
@muthukumaranc
@muthukumaranc 24 күн бұрын
More videos like this please!!!!! Love the longer vids.
@54mm30
@54mm30 22 күн бұрын
More of this please!! PLEASE!!!!!
@OnTrackDetailing
@OnTrackDetailing 19 күн бұрын
These are lovely cars, but, you certainly need a lot of money to run them - I know lots of people who have owned or, currently own, and they are like a really toxic relationship, it's the best when they work, three times a year, for the rest of the time it's just a headache ! On a side note, I much prefer this type of content than the "quick steer" - More of this please, proper Chris content!
@johnbaui5361
@johnbaui5361 24 күн бұрын
Had a e60 m5 for 3 years and I stand by it being one of the greatest cars ever smg and all its about the theatre and experience on that era of tech and it ticks all the boxs
@christophernoto
@christophernoto 24 күн бұрын
Fabulous machines! 🔥❤🔥 I’ll never forget the howl of the engine, the first time I heard one on the street, when they were new! Thanks for the video! 🎉
@coffinrx
@coffinrx 23 күн бұрын
Chris, the way you describe the SMG is spot on, you need to drive the car to that gearbox, which was for me M & S6 everyday. All those reviews who day the the gearbox is hopeless only drive it in Auto mode (in which is is as they say) I miss mine, had it for 2 years, flogged it to hell every single day (35000ks) and the only issue i had was throttle actuators, but was expected. Not expected on 2nd day of ownership though. Avg fuel consumption was at least 21L/100km
@bradcomis1066
@bradcomis1066 22 күн бұрын
21L/100km! Wish I could afford those sorts of bills haha. That's nearly $50 to drive 100km here in Canada. Pretty close to saying it would be worth it in an M5 though.
@JosephKotrieMonson
@JosephKotrieMonson 24 күн бұрын
Chris Harris plus Darragh really is the perfect antidote to the fury and chaos of the world.
@jameswiltshire7612
@jameswiltshire7612 24 күн бұрын
This is elite level content, really enjoyed it! More Darragh!
@ilikeheadcrabs
@ilikeheadcrabs 23 күн бұрын
This is the content we all need. Its the perfect mix of the good influencers and self professed car anoraks. Loved every second, saving for my own E61 M5 has begun.
@berkperformance
@berkperformance 24 күн бұрын
It’s like watching myself and a friend in our garage, chilling, only with a recorder. And that E28 just sitting there.. my god, what a machines. We just bought a E60 M5 as well and are in the process to buy a 328i convertible with 60.000km on the clock. Can’t wait for both.
@tomling9310
@tomling9310 22 күн бұрын
Love this car and we need more videos with it. 😎
@masoncordell6171
@masoncordell6171 23 күн бұрын
Love these videos! Can’t wait to see more and follow Chris’ journey with this amazing car.
@obfuscator
@obfuscator 24 күн бұрын
Love it. Absence of the Car Play is what's been putting me off e60 M5 since forever.
@MrLeccyt
@MrLeccyt 22 күн бұрын
Brilliant
@stephenpage-murray7226
@stephenpage-murray7226 13 күн бұрын
Easy solution to the oil burning. Find an oil additive that contains a healthy percentage of ester. Cleans the ring pack and ring lands.
@chrise2329
@chrise2329 24 күн бұрын
Superb, looking forward to something similar on the E28.
@davevirgono1
@davevirgono1 20 күн бұрын
On the oil consumption. I used 3 to 4 litres of oil on a round trip to Le Mans last year from Milan via Monaco. The average speed was higher than what I’d be comfortable mentioning but I think with a big engine with lots of pistons with some miles on it you’re bound to have some oil usage. I do also have a leaky main seal but whatever. It used to bother me but I don’t let it anymore and it’s only heavy on oil when used at high RPM, it’s pretty good doing to the shops and around town. Car was Mercedes E55 Kompressor
@Levibetz
@Levibetz 19 күн бұрын
2:00 Intake noise is SO MUCH better than exhaust noise too, it always sounds cooler.
@mikemitch1041
@mikemitch1041 23 күн бұрын
Absolutely loved my E60 M5 had one for 2 years it was my only car only had a new battery and wheel speed sensor it was a very looked after example when I got it always been on a full BMW warranty
@Thacko_San
@Thacko_San 23 күн бұрын
Really love these types of videos, honest look over a mega car. I used to have a LS430 and the fuel economy was similar, was lucky to see 20mpg on a good day
@TheMrCristal
@TheMrCristal 24 күн бұрын
M5 is legendary machine and it will remain that as long as this world exist.
@Pe3Cee
@Pe3Cee 24 күн бұрын
I love CH videos like this, they are the best
@habbykhawly3918
@habbykhawly3918 18 күн бұрын
I have to wait 4 more years before transporting it to USA I CANT WAIT!!! 😍😍
@peanuts2105
@peanuts2105 17 күн бұрын
A couple of blokes, in a shed essentially, talking bollocks about a V10 BMW M5 Touring. Perfect.
@vokstar
@vokstar 24 күн бұрын
Really enjoyed this vid because of how Chris got on with Darragh. Was a bit of a Green MX5 shaped Elephant in the room in the background too...
@be4tb0x
@be4tb0x 23 күн бұрын
I converted my SMG M3 E46 to manual myselft, but i like Chris' opinion on the SMG. It's a thing you need to master and learn to get it right. Thats what it makes interesting and thats what i liked about it.
@NickKolythas
@NickKolythas 18 күн бұрын
I thought my eyes were going funny and I was seeing drops of some kind of liquid dripping. Glad he said it was the air con 😂😂😂
@Broomhillwood
@Broomhillwood 24 күн бұрын
Love this! I had a saloon I used daily for 4yrs (don’t ask about the fuel 😅) the V10 and SMG was sublime and the haters know nothing. Biggest car regret is selling it as mine was a minter and good as gold mechanically. Did a Ring trip in it too and proved it was a genuine 200mph car on the Autobahn as was Evolve tuned. True masterpiece cars from BMW 😍
@LCTRgames
@LCTRgames 24 күн бұрын
Awesome vid, love this as much as driving the exotics
@ftffighter
@ftffighter 19 күн бұрын
Wonder how many of these were made? Thank you for helping restore a piece of history!
@Cafferssss
@Cafferssss 22 күн бұрын
The e28 M5 is coming back 😄🤘🏻
@user-ex9se8ug9d
@user-ex9se8ug9d 24 күн бұрын
Met Chris at Bicester in January, when he’d recently bought the E6. It was parked nearby and he was very excited about it! I have a UK E28 M5 and look forward to the next video on DWP - it’s only been 12 years!!
@TheJkghfg
@TheJkghfg 24 күн бұрын
Never stop making these Chris
@andrewgacree
@andrewgacree 24 күн бұрын
I installed mr12volt CarPlay on my 2012 Cayenne Turbo. It’s absolutely the best CarPlay retrofit that I’ve ever had, and I’ve tried three other brands. It uses the fiber optic connection for audio, so it sounds even better than the stock system. High recommended.
@gracielkelly9645
@gracielkelly9645 24 күн бұрын
Infinity Designs also have a lovely set of equal length long tube headers.
@infinitydesign3348
@infinitydesign3348 24 күн бұрын
Already in production 😊
@ArthurZakaryan23
@ArthurZakaryan23 24 күн бұрын
Brits are some of my favorite people in the world, their dry sense of humor is just my perfect cup of tea and Mr. Chris Harris is is such a likeabe bloke, I will automatically click on anything he releases here, that's my idea kf entertainment.
@ninjabob8170
@ninjabob8170 21 күн бұрын
I’ve got a 90’s estate and can echo many of the points/criticisms/positives albeit in a more Scandinavian fashion.. Love an old quick estate. 👍🏻
@tommeaden8219
@tommeaden8219 20 күн бұрын
Love it
@yojay1
@yojay1 23 күн бұрын
Old M car restoration videos might be the greatest pleasure on KZbin
@HipsterCarpenter
@HipsterCarpenter 24 күн бұрын
I really love these kinds of videos! Do more please.
@jonfollows7553
@jonfollows7553 24 күн бұрын
More of these please on all the Harris fleet. Love it
@jonfollows7553
@jonfollows7553 24 күн бұрын
PS who doesn’t want to go for a pint and chat about flange
@pereldh5741
@pereldh5741 24 күн бұрын
Even the M-seats in the first 1-series/3-series had those side bolsters, great trackday feature!
@_que
@_que 24 күн бұрын
21 min mark played multiple times, hilarious... woo woo woohoo.... This was great.
@southney7211
@southney7211 23 күн бұрын
That’s a man who gets it. A real car guy. This is the last of the quality built BMWs in my opinion. Still a bit cheap in places, but better than their modern replacements. I took a similar gamble recently with an E91 330d manual, because I love the way they drive and the practicality of the touring. It’s needed some upkeep, but I’m not homeless yet.
@ayrton_rambles
@ayrton_rambles 24 күн бұрын
E60s really are the best, I had a manual 530xi and miss that Logic 7 sound system and multi-contour seats (my bolsters adjusted but weren't active), one day I'll return to the E60 fold with and M5...one day!
@adamkingdon5956
@adamkingdon5956 24 күн бұрын
Honestly love these videos 😍😍😍
@Brozay401
@Brozay401 24 күн бұрын
I love videos like this. More of the same please Chris, and more often✌🏾
@jimtaylor431
@jimtaylor431 24 күн бұрын
"Intake noise is the future" - YES... YES... I'm not sure how long I've been saying this... my Corrado VR6 used to rock a BMC CDA airbox and boy that thing made the VR6 really bellow... but the exhaust note remained completely reasonable and not annoying AF for other people. On the E61, I'm not fortunate enough to have an M5 but I do have an E61 520d of a similar vintage and as every year goes by, I love it more and more. Yes it's expensive to keep on the road but I've done a lot of repairs myself which has kept it manageable.. it's a superb car and it's crazy how cheap you can pick them up for these days. Just, as eluded to in this video, they are a bit needy now at this age in terms of maintenance :)
@markjohnson8352
@markjohnson8352 24 күн бұрын
Brilliant!
@zhu1921
@zhu1921 24 күн бұрын
That was Absolutely Brilliant. ENJOY MANY MORE MILES IN YOUR M5 CHRIS.. The Ultimate M5 Driving Machine😊😊😊👌👌👌
@garethholden301
@garethholden301 23 күн бұрын
What cool workshops!
@elcasho
@elcasho 24 күн бұрын
I wish I could hang out with Chris, top bloke
@MichaelDavis-si9bv
@MichaelDavis-si9bv 24 күн бұрын
Loving the dog just standing watch. \m/
@3000FAst
@3000FAst 24 күн бұрын
Great vid - proper car people ❤ love the Tidal in the apple carplay and yes the hifi was peak bmw imo. Amps built by Lear or Alpine from memory...#geekingout
@dommcloughlin867
@dommcloughlin867 24 күн бұрын
I've been watching your content from the s4 avant with the mouse who eat all the the rubber gaskets 😂 keep up the good work... and you are a jammy bar stard ❤
@user-sg6xv2kb8s
@user-sg6xv2kb8s 24 күн бұрын
Cool cars. I remember from my 535d e61 days going through all that with the I drive and suspension. Not to mention warped brake discs, thermostat, turbo pipes, new torque converter etc etc.
@jaepark6648
@jaepark6648 20 күн бұрын
I came pretty close to buying an M6 of this gereration 6-7 years ago. Looked for an manual but couldn't find any. Went with a 2012 911 instead. Patted myself on the back for saving myself from which would have been years of agony. I really wanted to like this gereration M but felt like the manufacturer was more focused on business tactics rather than creating a solid drivers cars.
@jermainerobinson7098
@jermainerobinson7098 15 күн бұрын
Great video l think I would need a job working for the BBC top gear maybe to run that beast 😂 if you sell it keep us viewers in the loop l am interested to see how long you keep it before you fall out of love. 😂 Love this old car stuff better then you showing us a new Porsche or Ferrari, Keep the videos coming 👏🏽👍🏽👊🏽🥂
@MatthewCornish
@MatthewCornish 24 күн бұрын
Ah I miss the adjustable seat bolsters on my last BMW giving me hugs :(
@peterslater7791
@peterslater7791 24 күн бұрын
chris, this is mega. i feel like E46/E9x and E39/E6x is "peak BMW" and these cars are juuuust modern enough to be able to support things like apple carplay (i've done the same retrofit as you, to my E91), but have hydraulic steering, reasonable ride quality and a proper NA engine. renewing these cars is absolutely where it's at.
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