Chris Reeve Sebenza 21 VS Cold Steel Code 4

[@ericserobyan7973]

This is more of a how-to video. How to: Sebenza slip joint mod

[@ajopasoij9d00]

Sebenza confirmed for meme knife and $500 paperweight

[@nkyryry]

People buying Sebenzas are paying for the name. It's a knife. With a handle & a blade. That's it. You can make the lock feel as smooth as you damn well please. But if the handle can't support 45 pounds you wasted your money. Unless you're just gonna sit in your house and open & close it. If you get $400 worth of enjoyment from opening a pocket knife go for it. But I think it's rather obvious that those Sebenzas aren't actually "locking".

[@no1up]

I mean... i dont know about you but a knife is for cutting.. ive never bought a knife with a requirement that it must support 45lb..

[@JGstunts22]

you voided the sabenza warranty buy flicking it open lol

[@tb7042]

JGstunts22 😂😂👌

[@D00MTR33]

JGstunts22 Bravo sir, bravo.

[@connerperryman5387]

Easily the funniest comment I have read in the last month lol you are a king amongst peasants!

[@Bulldog75stp]

//you voided the sabenza warranty buy flicking it open lol// Actually, Chris Reeves himself said they flick the knife open during assembly. He said it pushes everything to its furthest point, so you get a better lockup. I'll link the video with him saying it. It's at the 33:39 mark in the video. kzbin.info/www/bejne/iIuqk2CgqrCDorc

[@ArdeG]

That’s hilarious but you can thumb flick the knife out all you want and still keep your warranty. wrist flicks however will void it because they generate substantially more force and over time it will dent the blade stop / blade

[@darthvaper6745]

Watched knife videos for 2 years, before investing in my first and only PROPER KNIFE! The 2015 carpenter steel CODE 4 clip point!

[@darthvaper6745]

***** cheers dude

[@a.j.rusinek8856]

Great choice. Cts-xhp steel has great edge retention and is pretty wear resistant. And of course the triad lock makes the knife nearly indestructible.

[@darthvaper6745]

A.J. Rusinek and smarter lookng than a than a recon 1

[@a.j.rusinek8856]

Nick M yeah kinda tired of the whole tactical black look.

[@TheFiendRacer]

Horrible choice, should have spent your money on Benchmade or spyderco or something

[@leef9834]

Yawn.... Benchmade Adamas. I have said it in the last 5 vids. Shit you would probably still win, but not giving a true contender a shot seems like you scared or you filmed it and lost.

[@andrew-ripley1747]

Check out Vininull's test, then check your expectations.

[@Mexicanmike87]

they did the bedlam and contego and they well failed ha

[@THEZOMBIEBUNKER]

+Lee Fair I too want to see the Adamas

[@DavyCrosier]

They always come close...

[@3113dmh]

I've had an Adamas, and comparable Cold Steel products offer a better strength to weight ratio. I can get a Recon 1 in CTS XHP (basically stainless D2) that is 2 oz. lighter, just as strong, if not stronger, and easier to maintain in the field because no omega springs.

[@ohjust1moreknife]

What's happening? I didn't expect the sebenza to hold a lot of weight or even do well in the spine strike test...but wow!

[@thenextarcher]

Id pay to see Chris's reaction at bladeshow when he sees cold steel...

[@terrakotik]

+thenextarcher I think he will be allright) It's like a stinky Chevy Camaro win Ferrari, but Ferrari OK with that)

[@dadandeka]

+Rustem B come on man I Love those stinky Chevy Camaros lol

[@thenextarcher]

Steven Holden no.

[@thenextarcher]

SailfishSoundSystem I wouldn't say that. Knife makers and designers tend to be protective when people point out a potential downside to their knives.

[@SailfishSoundSystem]

Obviously you've never met Chris or toured his shop.

[@ataz0th218]

When you buy a sebenza you're just buying a name. For a big price

[@007wetz]

just like Jordan shoes nothing special

[@brandonc223]

and yeah buy a strider or emerson instead lol

[@lerch400block]

Just got done watching the excuse patrol roll call. Had to rewatch this gem.

[@knownaigm]

Sebenza fan here (and an even bigger fan of logic)... yes, the CS (at least by this video) holds up to spine whacks better than the Sebenza. However, if you're an actual daily knife user and not someone prepping for an apocalypse that will never come, you already know that these types of stresses are actually of no concern to real-world knife use. If for some reason you have a preference for knives that perform unnecessary tasks then the Sebenza isn't for you. "Sebenza" means "work"... as in a tool for general daily work... I don't know what the zulu word for "apocalypse survival death hammer" is but if Chris Reeve made a knife for that task then that is probably what it would be called. Again, if you don't trust your own ability to properly handle a knife and not lop off your fingers with 50lbs of backwards force, buy the Cold Steel. Yes, I repeat, the Cold Steel is superior in backwards lock retention, that is apparently a fact.... but when was the last time you needed to lift your recliner with your knife? I have nothing against CS and I applaud their efforts to create features and standards for their products at such a high level but this particular feature is simply not one that matters to me or how I use my knife. I view this test the same as when someone compares one camera that can burst shoot 10 frames verse a camera that can burst shoot 20 frames. Sure, the 20 frames is impressive, but the majority of users will have very little use for that feature. I didn't buy my Sebenza for extreme use. I bought it for it's daily work performance, superb craftsmanship, ease of maintenance, and my personal preference for its design, size, and function. After 3 years of heavy but appropriate daily use in a warehouse, in a brewery, in my art studio, while camping, canoeing, fishing, whittling, carving, etc.. it has never failed me.

[@stalememe6407]

so you wasted 400$ on something a 10$ knife can do? lol

[@knownaigm]

I assume you willfully missed the point in order for your wisecrack to work? Sebenzas are not intended to be the toughest knife or lock out there. That is not the point of a Sebenza. The Sebenza is essentially one of the only flawlessly manufactured knives on the market. Out of the $1000's of dollars worth of knives I own, my Sebenza is the only one that does not have to be tweaked, tightened, or adjusted once in a while to recenter the blade or tighten up a loose pivot. Even other knives I own in the same price range as my Sebenza I had to lock-tite the pivot screws to keep the tension adjusted properly. Which also means everytime I take them apart to clean or lube them I have to spend time getting the tension just right, lock-tite'ing the screw, and letting it sit for a few hours while it sets. I don't have to do that with my Sebenza because the manufactured tolerances are so perfect. It goes back together exactly as it is suppose to and functions exactly as it is supposed to every single time.

[@stalememe6407]

no name yeah my 50$ tenacious doesn't need tweaking, my cold steel voyager doesn't need tweaking, my benchmade griptillian doesn't need tweaking hell my 15$ ganzo doesn't even need tweaking yet is still more durable than the sebenza.

[@knownaigm]

+jordan nazif do you own a Sebenza?

[@stalememe6407]

no name my local knife store does and i tried it yeah sure its a bit smoother than any of my knives but come on your'e paying 400$ just so your knife is a little smooth?

[@ccooper8040]

I have 3 CS and 2 Chris Reeves knives. I really like both brands. I will agree that the CS Triad lock is stronger than the Chris Reeves frame lock. That does not mean that the CRK is an inferior knife. Both locks are stronger than needed for a folding knife.

[@toyotrustPR]

Just wow! Very surprising. I love my Cold steel knives.

[@007wetz]

I have to agree cold steel are cool knives,

[@PaulK390S90V]

It is what it is...frame locks are weird since they have early lock ups for the most part. But hey that tri-ad lock rocks. I wish you tested the code 4 all the way

[@thechugdude]

You were being super respectful in the beginning even going as far as to say it may be the best liner lock... then the catastrophic failure happened... twice.. It almost makes it seem like you were being super sarcastic about it being the measuring stick. lol. I'm not in anyway saying that was your intent but it made the video pretty funny. I own a code 4 and love it. I carried my recon for a long time until I got my code 4. now that the 4 max is out!?!... geez I want that knife.. you should test the 4 max against some full tang knives, they may be the only knives that could compete!! keep up the videos!

[@WhoIsSerafin]

Code 4 ordered and on the way. These videos just fascinate the hell out of me.

[@f22shift]

Test some heavy duty midtechs. Medford. Strider. Hinderer. The ones that boast durability.

[@TheStratman007]

The Cold Steel price point is for a working man on a budget desiring a rugged EDC that withstands "most" encounters.

[@Amazing1h]

Strider is garbage

[@K5_Chris]

I never knew Chris Reeve's knives would take that little weight to break the lock! Thanks for the video!

[@philipdeppen8593]

Lol why because they are expensive. The sebanza is way way over priced for what it is. As is Chris Reeves knives period

[@brassnblades5211]

Wow. You can charge what ever you think your product is worth and what people are willing to pay.. the fact you are charging 410 dollars on a product that wont hold up to the basic test of a rival company witch produces far better quality products for a fraction of the cost is very very sad i am blown away ive spent 300 400 and 500 on knives and never used them but in the back of my mind always wondered what they could handle. Now i no! Thank you cold steel.

[@timpande6900]

I just want to let Cold Steel know that I have nothing but respect for this gentleman and the way he very easily made his comments about the competition making sure to respectfully let everybody know that hey this is still a fantastic and world-famous knife and I'm not saying it's no good I'm just saying it hasn't passed a couple tests that our knife past that's all. And I think that deserves nothing but respect. Thank you Andrew hats off to you. and so you know I buy Cold Steel and then love Cold Steel and that's due to people like you thank you sir.

[@drivingmuffin]

Wow, surprising results! Thanks for the video

[@dadandeka]

Sebezna knifes suck lol I can't believe what I just seen, a 400 dollar knife that's garbage, tried tested and true Cold Steel always come thru, Mr Lynn Thompson and the Cold Steel Crew know how to make tough and affordable knives that wont fail on you when you need it for defence, keep the awesome knifes, swords and weapons coming !!!

[@MyDaoust]

why is it garbage. do you regularly use your knife backwards?

[@sjoerdstok1]

+Josh Daoust I totally agree. Just because the CRK didn't pass this test, its still a good knife (as they said). We are comparing apples and oranges here... Cold steel is ment to last and endure heavier tasks than normal knives! I was shocked at these results myself to, but it doesnt make a knife garbage.

[@VanguardArmament]

+Josh Daoust Normally, I'd be among the first to join in on saying that these knives aren't meant to be used backwards; however, this isn't an example of that. Knives are definitely meant to be used for stabbing, and it's not uncommon to unintentionally leverage the blade one way or the other during the process of stabbing. If you can bypass the lock simply with the force of your hand pushing down on the handle, it's possible that it can disengage when used for stabbing.

[@davidsandlin9686]

+BotchedProjects yeah that is true. The fact that it disengaged with hand force means stabbing would probably end bad for you if you hit any resistance. I have held and played with sebenzas they feel like they are locked solid as a rock. This is eye opening as far as a lock being deceiving.

[@MyDaoust]

BotchedProjects omg, knives are not ment to be stabbed with. they are tools. You think cold steel is like our knives are the best at stabbing. If you need to "stab" something use a fixed blade.

[@eurohit]

It should be UK Sebenza with slip-joint. ))

[@bigbobg8091]

I frequently carry slip joint knives (no lock) and have never had one close on me by accident in sixty nine years. That's because I use them the way they were meant to be used.

[@thegeneral123]

I own three Sebenzas. Am I disappointed by this result? Of course. Very disappointed.

[@SailfishSoundSystem]

+thegeneral123 Return them and ask for your money back.

[@thegeneral123]

+SailfishSoundSystem Had them over 10 years, not happening.

[@TheScotchaholic]

+thegeneral123 I feel the same. Bought one over fourteen years ago. Casually used, but never heavily - thank god! Jeez, older liner lock knives from Cold Steel could beat this frame lock, with these pathetic test results!

[@spinewhacker7099]

Send them to me. I'll replace them with Cold Steels, since you bought into this marketing bullshit. First off none of this has anything to do with the actual functuality of the knives. Also, frame lock's work under hard use by applying pressure to the lock bar. Which occurs naturally with your hand.

[@anthonyb2990]

@@thegeneral123 You've had them 10 years and you're disappointed that they failed in ways they would never be used and ways you've never used them or ever will use them.. yeah ok boomer

[@anthonycastorena9873]

Oh my gosh that was pretty awesome. Thanks so much for finally making another CS Vs. video. Please keep them coming!!

[@Edgearoth]

Oh man I can hear it, the sound of a thousand fan boy tears hitting the ground all at once. Thank you Andrew! The ending was magical.

[@hivemind5137]

A titanium frame lock should always have a hardened steel lock bar insert to prevent deformation of the lockbar. If that was done the Sebenza would be a much greater value and withstand harder use. The fit and finish of a Sebenza is almost second to none.

[@ashbenet6594]

That is really disappointing to see something so wonderfully crafted, fail in epic proportions.

[@petermartin9494]

Especially in a test that has nothing to do with real world use.... Cry cry...

[@sneakypeaky6000]

@@petermartin9494 well you do seem to be crying...

[@knifeaddict1014]

I got one and it’s nothing like this, they had to do something to it!

[@hyssean12]

@@knifeaddict1014 you haven't tested yours though. Ya it feels solid until you actually apply some pressure to it.

[@knifeaddict1014]

@@hyssean12 iv applied a lot of pressure it’s a work horse!

[@ReclusiveMountainMan]

The lock-bar on a framelock is meant to be gripped--prevents the lockbar from slipping out. So the spinewhack test is pointless in this situation. That said, love that Cold Steel is engineered to withstand this abuse.

[@TheScotchaholic]

What do I fault Cold Steel for? *For not making this video fourteen years earlier and the Tri-Ad lock - it would have saved me money on my Sebenza 2000!* _Cold Steel: Destroying the competition, exposing the posers, creating buyer's remorse, and hurting resale values everywhere, since 1980_! At least I didn't have to do this test on my own blade...geez, now I just own a "purty" and smooth opening knife...thanks guys... Don't stop the tests!

[@jeanbabtisteclamence3018]

Demko is so respectful and I respect the hell out of that. Makes me proud to be a Cold Steel fan!

[@Torquemada71.]

because your gonna buy a 500$ knife to smash the back of it against stuff as hard as you can

[@itannerjh]

I have a sebenza and I love it! Obviously it may not be the most hard use knife, but there are lots of things that make it great. After watching this video it wouldn't be my first choice for anything super demanding, but for most people's uses(opening packages and mail and such), I think it does its job rather well.

[@themarcazard]

Test a Medford praetorian!!!

[@bwallis100]

Hey put the ad15 in that guarantee it fails! Lol

[@calebgoodrich9879]

YES, IVE BEEN WAITING MONTHS FOR THIS

[@SailfishSoundSystem]

+Caleb Goodrich Me as well.

[@Kevinclearysharpstuff]

Hey Great video totally worth sharing to my channel feed. Thanks for doing these vids I love watching how these turn out.

[@gastonwhite1]

Great video! However, I believe the theory behind a framlock is so that your grip would not allow the lock to slip under load. I believe that if you could somehow mimic the handle being griped, it would be a better comparison. The Code 4 would still win by a huge margin anyway though, just saying.

[@VanguardArmament]

+MotoNewb808 Now that's definitely something we would all like to see!

[@2adamast]

+MotoNewb808 9:25 the handle is gripped

[@ScottyBennitone]

dudeman is loving that action on the sebenza at 4:05 , tho...

[@justins4393]

You could tell Andrew was surprised as hell when that CRK fails, though, I would have expected more outta it too. But the Tri-Ad lock is unbeatable! How about an SMF?

[@nancyoffenhiser4916]

I have a Medium Voyager and Recon 1. I would stake my life on the performance of both of them if God forbid I ever needed them. Thank you Andrew and Lynn.

[@NinjaDeathtrap]

Holy fantastic failiure Batman! How the fuck?!? Thats the worst knife I've seen tested, not only here, but ever! Just lost ALL interest in thoose knives. Sick!

[@johnconnolly2079]

Best value for money folders on the market, I trust my life with some of these folders. They have never let me down. keep making them the way you do and keep testing them on camera. Every time I watch you test one I'm like a addict and need to buy another.

[@omarcorrea1996]

so many sebenza fanboys are going to hate this video and claim that cold steel sabotaged the knife.

[@kevinfitz3721]

Why did the video get blacked out?

[@obliviontactical7974]

Damn. That was surprising as hell! That was my Grail knife! Thanks Cold Steel! ( thanks for saving me $400 👍) hahaha.

[@gordonbombay6627]

Cold steel is no way close to a sebenza at all. They are completely different types of knives. And you should already know that the triad lock is stronger. It's a badass lock. But is it as nice of a knife overall.... Not even close. I have numerous cold steel knives but guess who never goes in my pocket when I pack up and leave for the day. Yep you guessed it. All of the cold steel knives stay home. If I wanted to take a knife that I want to beat around and not care because it only costs 130 then yeah I'd take a cold steel. Crk are much much much higher quality than cold steel. Not even comparable. Not by a mile.

[@kyleburton7394]

@@gordonbombay6627 by material standards and tolerance yes.. for lock strength and usability no.. cold steel can do it all... may not be the most beautiful knife ever but still. Spend money where it matters. Want Titanium and a high end steel?? Go with TwoSun. Chris Reeve knives are overrated for the materials used. Give credit to hi developing an iconic lock but come on. He's been beat by better knives now!

[@gordonbombay6627]

@@kyleburton7394 i disagree. People who buy a crk arent buying it to go beat it around. They are buying because they have money and want a great knife. Not every knife is meant for every job. Just like not every car is for street racing. Two totally different types of lock. That triad lock will beat every frame lock there is. Just physics. But cold steel is not a better company they do not have better materials and they do not have better quality control or customer service. When comparing cold steel to crk the only thing they have is that lock. In fact I'd even say cold steel only has that lock. Because using the logic in this video there are many knives that would beat out cold steel if they didn't use that lock. But their s35v isn't like other s35v steel. their heat treat is all over the place and I don't trust it. My recon one got all chipped on some plastic strap. Guess how many problems I've had with a crk. Zero. Absolutely none. Not only that what knife company sends a tool to take apart their product so you can do your own maintenance without voiding their amazing warranty. Give you a hint it's not cold steel. Cold steel is a great product for the money. But without Andrew demko they wouldnt be anything special. Crk knives are well put together with great materials and aren't meant for hard use. If you want a knife that you can rely on for day to day things that don't include slamming your knife around like a monkey than you can not do better than a crk. Everyone complains about their price but I have knives that cost 3 times as much or more and they aren't meant for hard use either. That's what a disposable cold steel is for. Or a full tang blade is for. Now im not saying cold steel is a bad product. They aren't. But to compare that cold steel knife with a sebenza is quite laughable. Also another thing to think about is how easy they are to work on. A crk is very easy to take apart and clean up whereas a cold steel with it's pins are not nearly as easy. I also don't see a well maintained cold steel knife lasting as long as a maintained crk. Apples and oranges all the way around. The take out here for you should be a 130 dollar cold steel is better at certain jobs than a crk where a crk is better in certain areas than a cold steel. Also if you damage or loose a cold steel no biggie just buy three more. A crk is a heirloom quality knife that isn't meant to be beat around. Not every knife is meant for that. Case and point a William Henry knife. They are pocket jewelry and heirloom pieces like a crk. Only in this instance a crk is much more usable than a William Henry. Apple and oranges. But I will never concede to saying that a cold steel knife is in anyway better than a crk. They just have a better lock. With shitty g10 or shitty aluminum scales. And some sketchy s35v. They serve a purpose I'll say that at least. I have too many. Knives to talk about from shitty beaters like ganzo or worse yet crkt all the way to William Henry knives and some custom bark rivers knives and some nice midtechs. And the knife I carry every single day is either my sebenza 21 or my pm2 or my alpha beast when I want to scare people. But I never carry my recon one or my American lawman or my 4 Maxx. I will say that I carry my demko knives sometimes tho. Not cold steel but demko customs. But I always come back to the sebenza

[@kyleburton7394]

@@gordonbombay6627 valid points. However isnt the sebenza is marked as a working man's knife? Shouldn't it be able to withstand all kinds of scenarios? Sure, if I were to buy one I'd treat it as a grail, but the fact in the way it is marketed makes it seem like a workhorse when in at least one key area, the lock.. it is not for every task. We may be nitpicking here but I just cant justify the price of a sebenza when their are other alternatives that imo are better. Not saying cold steel is better just the fact that their are better knives out there suited for hardwork or a tactical situation

[@gordonbombay6627]

@@kyleburton7394 hard-working for a folding pocket knife has a different meaning to knife makers than it does Joe schmo KZbinr knife tester. Batoning was never meant to be done by a folding knife. And sebenzas are not meant for that either. They are also not tactical or meant to be tactical. Hard use tasks for a pocket knife would be rope cutting and feather sticking things like that. Batoning and prying are not a folding knife job. So if you baton with any folding knife you're likely going to be overusing you're folder. Most KZbinrs do it to show people in a shtf situation. Which again knife makers don't make high end folders with a shtf scenario in mind. There are better options out there for that like full tang knives for that. Also when buying a sebenza or any crk it's not about getting the toughest most over built knife. It's about buying a knife with God like tolerances and built with an eye for detail. A knife that was built and designed with care and a person's everyday needs in mind. It's been brutalized in other videos doing hard everyday use tasks. And throwing it into a crude pendulum built in a garage meant to put a lock through it pases is not a test people should be taking seriously. Because that is more pressure than anyone is going to put on that knife. Great that the tri ad lock can do it but it's not something your knife will ever have to go through when using it for everyday tasks. Talon SEI puts into words that most people would understand. He brings up watches as a comparison. Like why would anyone buy a Rolex for 10k when a 100 dollar Casio g shock does the exact same thing. Because you're buying something high end and its nice to have and to show off and to boast a little. You're buying it for it's legendary technology and its tolerances. Not to go into a doomsday camping trip and to put it through a hell test. There are much better knives for that like full tang knives again. Or a 130 dollar knife no one cares about breaking because too much of this swinging death test will break any knife even ones with a triad lock Same with batoning. Too much batoning will destroy a folding knife. Including one with a triad lock.

[@NeilTheKnifeGuy]

Holy fuck some of these comment threads are hilarious to read. Buy whatever knife you want people and quit giving a shit what others think.

[@richardc1409]

Everyone realizes that every knife compared will fail this test? This test is directly related to how CS knives are built. Just saying. Don't be surprised people. It's a CS test.

[@richardc1409]

And I own CS knives and CRK knives just to dissuade some idiot calling me a fanboy lol.

[@stormsigma]

+Richard C This. I'd love to see them try to put a Cold Steel up against something like an Opinel in an actual slicing test. Or put their knives up against something from ZT or Spyderco for edge retention.

[@MichalBreslau]

+Richard C I saw other tests on yt with CS and CRK made by private people and CS were ok in 99% cases, some more CRK failed.

[@obliviontactical7974]

+stormsigma I'm sure the new steels would hang in edge retention. But Aus 8 vs ZDP or s90v, no way. That's not even a fair comparison we all know that.

[@ManS1ayr]

+Richard C I didn't expect the sebenza to win but it should hold at least 50lbs... that is not an unreasonable request

[@SailfishSoundSystem]

Finally! Thank you! Now be prepared for a cease and desist letter from Chris Reeve like he did to Butch Vallotton.

[@jojojaykay]

What? What’s the story here?

[@hpw8334]

Why is half of the video blackout??

[@reviewermax981]

Pls Test the Endura 4 ... Pls

[@jetwoo6889]

The thing is no whenever a crk fails, ppl would automatically claim that it is not done right, or it is only 1/1000 chance accident, while the truth is everytime someone tries to hardcore test a crk, it almost fails every time. How you like it now?

[@Kevinclearysharpstuff]

I would love to see a Strider next smf espcially

[@random_eskimo_in_the_rockies]

+Kevin cleary HELL no. That would seriously piss me off. Cold Steel is a quality company headed by a man who does a lot to promote military and LEO support, and pushes for individual liberty for us in this country. Strider is a dude who lied about military service to give him a Rambo-feel in a Ken-Doll package. Oh, and he's a felon, to boot. I would seriously hope that Cold Steel NEVER gives his stinking company a damned dime.

[@KatotownUSA]

+Rodger Pitts the point would be to show that he's charging too much for his knives..that video would take a chunk of his costumers away..

[@Kevinclearysharpstuff]

Rodger Pitts JR has it right

[@spinewhacker7099]

I thought you were a little brighter than that. Frame locks function under hard use by applying pressure to the lock bar. Which occurs naturally with the pressure from your hand. The triad lock is arguably the strongest, but it's unnecessary overkill. The test is marketing for overbuilt minded morons. Has no real effect on functuality of a knife. Triad locks are more of a pain in the ass. The action of CS knives suck overall & the action unlocking them is even worse. I'll take a axis, compression, frame, liner or traditional lock back any day over the triad.

[@KatotownUSA]

I've never understood that; these knife collectors that spend $400 on a CRK or $1600+ on a custom knife say that a lock doesn't matter, and that CS is only for "overbuilt minded morons." Yet they're most often concerned with the *smoothness* and ease of opening of a blade...? I understand why that's to be appreciated from an engineering standpoint, but it has no real value in function either. I have 0 issues flicking open a cold steel, benchmade, spyderco, or any brand name folder. CS knives are cheap, so it's ok to boast about the high quality features that they offer. Test them side by side with a CRK or any high dollar folder.. their lock strength, edge retention, cutting ability, ergonomics. You'll see that CS is just built for guy that isn't a moron, being sold on $300+ knives so their dainty soft hands don't have to work so hard to open them.

[@Owieczkin]

Is it just me, or is the video broken from 4:26 onward?

[@CorruptionManX]

yes...

[@zednotzee7]

That was a surprise I must say. All that money, and the things just broke likie an MTech folder. Or am I being unfair to MTech ?

[@pipboy3000PS3]

Yes, you are being unfair to M-tech. lol

[@messmeister92]

I see your point (and I like cold steel) but... This is like smashing a large pickup and a Ferrari into a wall and seeing which one comes out worse for wear. It's apples to oranges really.

[@danmartin4552]

+messmeister92 If I were in a car crash I much rather be in a Ferrari than a Pickup. Sports cars are some the safest on the road because they are designed to go fast, and thus are likely to crash much faster. The very wealthy customers expect safety. Since they are such high dollar, they can afford to use premium materials and cleaver safe designs, even the focus of the car is speed and luxury not safety. That is the problem with the Sebenza in this video. With a $400 price tag, I expect there to be all of the precision quality and refinement, but also it should be decent, if not excelling in all other areas as well. But it is even worse, the edge holding of the Sebenza is atrocious, since Reeve runs his s35vn so soft, for "Ease or sharpening" because apparently people who buy $400 knives have no means of having their knives sharpened.

[@messmeister92]

True; however you must admit they are built for two very different applications.

[@messmeister92]

Dan Martin I am well aware, but notice how I never said safety was an issue; the point is that you cannot compare the two. I'd be careful with your steels as well. The S35VN Reeve runs is "softer" than others; it is by no means soft. In doing some searching I have not found many reasonable complaints about Reeve's heat treatment. Additionally you'd find that Sebenzas are not always produced in S35VN, and there are little to no complaints with those steels as well. Reeve has built his reputation on quality and reliability; I would be careful in questioning it until you have something solid. But since you mentioned it, is $400 worth the money for a knife that's a) proven over the decades and known for it's quality b) made from excellent materials and c) manufactured in the USA? Depends on who you would ask. I'm perfectly happy with a $130 Paramilitary 2, but that's my opinion. It sounds like you disagree, and that's fine.

[@messmeister92]

+csknives +Dan Martin If you'll allow me to, I can clear up the point I was trying to make. Again, I would like to preface this by saying I appreciate/own/use Cold Steel knives. I just think this test was a waste. I'm sticking with cars/vehicles, but using a more potent example: The CS is kind of like an MRAP: Brutish, overkill, rather unrefined, but very much a "you-and-what-nuke-are-going-to-stop-me" kind of vehicle; it features unequaled performance * in its category. The Sebenza is like a Ferrari: Proven, reliable, refined, with a long pedigree, and unequaled performance *in its category* See where I'm going with this? I think we can all agree that these test are designed to favor the Tri-Ad Lock... I mean that's just Marketing 101. There are other test you can do to these knives where CS might possibly suffer compared to others: blade material/strength/heat treatment, edge retention, quality control (*ahem*), etc. Now that we've established that, we can move on. What you're doing here is placing an IED (or shooting it with an RPG, take your pick) under an MRAP and under a Ferrari and seeing which one fares better. Obviously it's going to be the MRAP; the Ferrari wasn't designed for that kind of role. In the same way that you can run a Ferrari and an MRAP around Monza and the obvious winner would be the Ferrari, because the MRAP *wasn't designed for that kind of role.* Point being, you're comparing apples to oranges/MRAPs to Ferraris.

[@messmeister92]

As I've said previously, on multiple points in this thread, I AM A COLD STEEL FAN. My only issues with quality control are minor. Lots of burs (my biggest pet peeve - I wish I could post a picture of the tang of my Code 4), centering is usually off, some knives are very poorly lubricated, etc. I get it - It can't always be 100% perfect, although a select group of manufactures (Reeve among them) make it so. If you don't like receiving feedback from your customers, then you're SOL my friend. Again, I just think that in this case the test in flawed. I am perfectly entitled to my opinion, regardless of whether or not I agree with the results.

[@BrothuhV84]

Truck yeah!! Keep doing these tests!!!! Do all of the over built folders please! Let's put them all to the test. Direware, Chaves, Hoback, ZT, etc. Run through them all. Let's see if the hype holds up!

[@tunturikuningas5393]

wtf? the video is broken or something. half of the video is just black and the sound doesn't match the visual

[@mdubb4855]

Same here, despite the passage of time and my efforts with iPad, Chromebook, etc. Lawsuit? Compromise?

[@Krysteal13]

So a 400$ knife is confirmed for garbage-tier.. sucks to be anyone who bought that shit

[@Vnbsm]

+BawZ Meliodas there will be some idiots trying to justify his purchase with dumb excuse

[@ajopasoij9d00]

+BawZ Meliodas there will be some sebenza fanboys butthurt with this and saying it was not intended to be used like this, lol

[@ajopasoij9d00]

***** Your butt hurts? :( I bet even my crappy $10 mtech knife sustained spine whacking without any problems and without failing, whereas CRK expensive as fuck useless paperweight took one and literally broke beyond repair. TOP LEL

[@Rebuswind]

+EvilBillRoasts that was not a race...this is more like a honda and a ferrari crash in to a wall in the same speed, the ferrari had more damage, so you think ferrari is carp....if the video was showing that a sebenza failed during cutting test, I would agree your point...

[@Rebuswind]

BawZ Meliodas I guess you never heard about the story about Volkswagen Phaeton, haven't you? showing off is not depend on what you have, it's depend on what audiences you get. will I show off the sebanza in front of a group of hunter? no,sir,no, because they use knife as tool and companion, I will show off my bark river instead. But with a group of elementary knife snobs, a rare inlaid sebanze will make them nut!

[@Briandavidedc]

I see people commenting.."here come the fan boys crying" and etc..but all I see are fan boys of cold steel. I'm not dissing cold steel either. I have one. One that would be made for this job. And I don't have a sebenza. Yet. Coming this week actually. These are folders. Good job on the triad showing strength though. But are you supposed to baton with a folder? No. Are you gonna stand on one? No. Pry? No. If you want to do any of the above.. use a good fixed blade. The right tool for the right job. Work smart and not hard people.

[@Jc625007]

No lock stick though 👍

[@jelteghtc]

everyone is hating on the sebenza I see. well, maybe a frame lock isn't made for these kinda tests. cold steel knives are made for hard tasks. a large sebenza 21 is a fine edc-knife with great craftsmanship.

[@GuyInAHotdogSuit69]

Wow, even before I saw this I had a low opinion of Sebenzas. Uninspired design, radically over-inflated price-tag, ridiculous amount of hype and fanboy-dom in the community, honestly it makes me laugh to see them fail so horrendously. I feel bad for everyone who thinks this is the pinnacle of production knives.

[@GunOwnerDan]

+Bullpup92 I second that.

[@dadandeka]

+GunOwnerDan I third that lol

[@Vnbsm]

+Bullpup92 i don't even know why they have fanboy the damn thing is fucking ugly and high price tag shitty design no were near to compared with Andrew design, but beside all those negative they have high quality but still just little bit more high quality doesn't justify the price tag

[@GunOwnerDan]

Nothing about the cost of a Sebenza is practical, if you want practical, simple, and effective, go with an Ontario Rat1 for $25, and I bet it can outperform a Sebenza too. I can buy a Sebenza, but I never had the desire too. I'f I'm going to spend $500 or more on a knife it's going to be something like an original WWI or WWII fighting knife. But to each his own.

[@gloomy5487]

+M3thodTSixshot are you implying that the cs knofe cant cut just as well as a sebenza? You buy sebenza for funzies and "I like" reason and not for the performance, that i understand. Havins said that, the cs is a better performing knife.

[@projectbryant4115]

WOW. holly shit!!! knife world is gonna start to go nuts when they see this!!!

[@VCBird6]

LOL and I was just thinking about this yesterday... That said, I'll carry the Sebenza at church and the office, and my Large Espada when I'm outdoors or working on cars ^^ Heh, you should destroy a Strider next. That'll REALLY make the fanboys squeal! :P

[@random_eskimo_in_the_rockies]

+V - Pony FUCK no. That would seriously piss me off. Cold Steel is a quality company headed by a man who does a lot to promote military and LEO support, and pushes for individual liberty for us in this country. Strider is a dude who lied about military service to give him a Rambo-feel in a Ken-Doll package. Oh, and he's a felon, to boot. I would seriously hope that Cold Steel NEVER gives his stinking company a damned dime.

[@VCBird6]

Rodger Pitts Whoa, hold on there. I'm not talking about either company's integrity or back story; I'm talking about these so called "overbuilt" knives claiming to be uber tough, either by the maker or their fans. And Andrew here is just proving them wrong. If you hate Strider so much, maybe you should convince someone to "donate" their Strider knife for Andrew to annihilate. Hrm...I also wonder how Lionsteel and their Rotoblock lock would hold up as well...

[@random_eskimo_in_the_rockies]

V - Pony I have to say, the Sebbie surprised me. I really liked mine, and I expected it would fare a lot better than it did. You're right about the Rotoblock knives, though. That would be a great challenge. I agree with you about Andrew, too. He's got nothing to hang his head about. The Tri-Ad is monstrously strong. I can't wait to get a 4-Max, that really looks like a BEAST.

[@VCBird6]

+Rodger Pitts I do wonder if the reason why the 21 kept slipping was because of the haredened lock face making it too hard for the blade tang to "bite" into it, especially right out of the box with no break in. I mean, I've torn through some pretty tough stuff like drywall with my 21 and have easily pulled more than 30 lbs on that blade without it closing...I got mine well broken in though... :/ Oh well, it's not really my first choice for heavy duty stuff anyways (that still goes to either my Cold Steels, my Microtechs or my Spyderco Military) ^^

[@habib530]

+Rodger Pitts cold steel builds his shit in Taiwan which does nothing for American jobs.

[@kxd2591]

Does a CR ever beat a CS? In any model that is comparable? I have seen too many CR knives fail while the CS sailed on. The first time I saw this was on "Knife Tests", and a CS Bushman (I had one, $17.95) beat a CR $200-$300 knife. This is sad . . . for the people who still believe CR is an honest knife maker. At one time I wanted a CR, no more.

[@mathewrculbertson]

Wow... Just wow

[@renaissanceman4267]

Try this test with a buck 110 "Lock back knife"....lets compare apples to apples guys...lol

[@drumgodtim]

EVERY cold steel folder that I have holds my complete confidence in the tasks and roles in which they are placed. Guess some of these other blades are really fancy window dressings. 😑😬

[@brandonwayne2343]

I don't know if it's just my KZbin for some reason or if it's everybody's but after a certain point it goes black with just the audio and I think it happened in another video too

[@ajvidman21]

Mine too

[@theshavingginger]

The Sebenza 21 is my grail knife. This is the first KZbin knife video I've seen that truly impacted my view of something I already held in high regard. I'm just dumbfounded

[@glytch5]

+Christopher Peace don't worry about it man, first off their not hard use knives, and second, there is no hand holding the lock bar... that is the intended purpose of the intergral/frame lock. The reason it failed is 2 fold. The number 1 point is, there is no hand to hold the knife under these hard uses, which will keep the lock from slipping out. Number 2, frame locks are built to break in, the lock up gets better as they go! So by all means, buy one, you won't regret it.

[@Cam._S]

Why does this test matter? Shouldn't you be testing it in the other direction? Who is putting pressure on the blade on the opposite side of the cutting edge?

[@dullbrass]

I'm so glad I bought an Opinel and not a Sebenza :)

[@stcredzero]

I'd bet that high resolution videos of close-up high-speed slow-motion video of the spine whack test would be highly instructional to knife designers. If someone published such things, I'd bet that the widespread availability of that information alone would cause a revolution in folding knife design.

[@DavyCrosier]

Well that's embarrassing for Chris Reeve...

[@DavyCrosier]

***** lol!

[@spinewhacker7099]

+csknives You do realize in a real world situation the frame lock's user would be applying pressure to the lock bar, with their hand? Your testing makes for sly marketing on your part. Kiddos to you.

[@reviewermax981]

+csknives That is Cold Steel, They Talk the Talk and Walk the Walk ! ... Pls Test the Endura 4 vs Code 4 .... pls

[@SLAMINIRC]

when are we breaking an adamas?

[@stefanwolf88]

Well - it is what it is - frame lock Titanium knives are just for playing it cool and to bring joy and satisfy the CNC porn addicted people... 21 is a cool knife.

[@darthvaper6745]

I used to own a sebenza and when the lock failed smirfs chewed my arm off! Since owning a code 4, I once defeated ISIS single handed!

[@22motto]

$400 worth of "you might lose your fingers" fun

[@randomweirdo2701]

but hey if you can drop $400 on a knife, you probably work in an office and have good insurance.

[@stalememe6407]

Bryce Kimball better than 400 dollar American shit

[@KimballPrecision]

jordan nazif except you know... americans use better materials and you are not supporting 10 year olds working in factories over there

[@stalememe6407]

Bryce Kimball except you know they DON'T and I rather support 10 year olds needing money than highschool shooters in need of a better gun

[@22motto]

Bryce Kimball CTS-XHP is some of the best steel in the knife market and Cold Steel has basically cornered the market on it. So no, their knives do not suck, and I would rather have one than a Sebenza. The most I've ever paid for a knife is $350, and that's because its a very large knife made from Elmax.

[@sheikyerbouti63]

Sebenza probably not designed to work but to impress in showcases.

[@lylesmith5079]

They advertise the Sebenza as a hard work knife.

[@kaziklu79]

Ha hahahahahahah Once more the fantasy world meets the reality and the result is not pretty.

[@wrjames38]

Anyone who actually thinks a Framelock is STRONG is an idiot.... There are so many ways for it to fail! And obviously. ..any TRUE knife nut knew the CRK would Fail instantly! The Sebenza is a great knife and a true standard of production quality and tolerances! They will work for their INTENDED purposes perfectly and under normal circumstances never have an issue. That being said...COLD STEEL knives are Frickin AWESOME! !!

[@djk721963]

Attention all who bash Cold Steel and disregard irrefutable proof.... I think this is a case of someone who is upset they paid $400 for an inferior lock design. As far as I am concerned it's a triad lock or nothing. Be it a $400 or $4000 knife, frame locks are prone to camming out of position and releasing. Period. There's a reason Cold Steel doesn't make a frame lock. FORTY FIVE POUNDS!!! really? If these manufacturers would quit milling away valuable material and design something that uses leverage (not a weak spot) to release the lock, maybe they could legitimately brag about their lock strength.

[@djk721963]

+M3thodTSixshot Not all doors have locks. Not all doors need them. But, when you lock your front door, would you want the lock to fail from a good hard push?

[@1snowreaper]

+djk721963 Dumbest most irrelevant answer ever.

[@djk721963]

+Evan Eriksen That would be an analogy, not an answer. Who's the dumbest?

[@no1up]

What exactly are you using your knife for? Enquiring minds want to know... Best lock in the game for me has to be the spyderco compression lock. Not because of how strong it is, but because how easy and safe it is to use. Followed closely by the axis lock. I cant remember the last time I required my knife handle to hold 45 pounds... or the last time I wacked a knife from behind with force? The test in-it-of-itself is flawed in that its not really realistic for real use. It would be like strapping some c4 to a knife, blowing it up and gloating that it can survive a bomb. Yes, thats cool.. but I dont need a bomb proof knife. I need something that cuts, would like something that is made well, and last forever since I get attached to my knives. My spydercos military and peramillitary 2 fit the bill. Now, if you will excuse me, I need to go wack my knife really hard for absolutely no reason.

[@majormassenspektrometer]

I know why I'm carrying my Cold Steel American Lawman. Sebenzas are good slicers. But I wouldn't call that a lock.# Thanks again for saving us the money and show what the knive can and cannot do. ^^

[@Knives4Days]

I'd be interested in seeing how the dpx hest and/or lionsteel sr1a with the roto-block engaged would do... comparable weight to some cold steel models.

[@guitarplayabreh9445]

I think flabbergasted, kind of describes it......

[@specopsbrat5130]

I wouldn't consider the Sabenza to be a hard use knife. It's more of a beefier gentleman's folder IMO.

[@tacticalalltheway]

From now on compare everything to the micro recon :)

[@PierreJeanLevy]

Well ...no point paying 400 plus for an aesthetic design which does hold the mark.

[@wolf5391]

I laughed my ass off when he said at the end "you wanna start with 25's". I would love to see Mr. Reeve watch this...See what B.S. he comes up with to defend himself here....... he'd probably say something to the extent of "the employees at cold steel messed with a brand new Sebenza to defame his knives legendary status" or that the "previous owner must have abused the knife" lol.... It Wouldn't even surprise me if he tried to threaten CS to take the video down. He is known for his temper... It wont even hold 45lbs! That is simple disgusting for a $400+ knife; hell even for a $100 knife I'd expect more. Fan boys Gonna love this video. Haha Love it

[@stevekushman3030]

I have 5 Cold Steel knives all of which have the original AUS8 steel. They have been good knives for what I have used them for. I removed all the finishes on the black coated blades as it was not holding up at all. Probably won't go out and buy the new ones just to change out the steel on the blade. I have owned a Sebenza 25 for about 1 1/2 yrs and it has been a very good knife for what I have used it for and will keep it. I never spine whack a folding knife nor do I baton a folding knife. I have other more appropriate knives that serve those purposes when I need it.

[@tumant]

Oh man, I feel sorry for Andrew. From the start he looked like he was made to kill his hero. But the end... just tragic he looked like he was about to start breaking in tears. Great test, though. Keep them up!

[@huejanus5505]

I think he was going to keep the second sebenza and didn't want to ruin it.

[@tumant]

or that :)

[@pissedoffwhiteguy6131]

Why did you all change the lock on the folding Tiger Claw?

[@pissedoffwhiteguy6131]

Awesome. I'm sure it will be a hit. Thanks for the response.

[@realUlfricStormcloak]

+PissedOff WhiteGuy calm down bro

[@clusterguard]

backlock (CSteel) is much superior than frame- or liner locks. period.

[@stalememe6407]

actually its because a frame lock and liner lock is cheaper to make

[@davidk9491]

why the testing the knife toward the folding side? Isn't the force during normal use goes the opposite direction?

[@Sunbear415]

Rolex vs Casio

[@MarshalNey13]

The stability of the Sebenza's frame lock is enhanced by the user's grip which keeps the blade from slipping. If you use a vice to pinch the surfaces of the frame together (mimicking a grip) I think you would see the Sebenza perform much better.

[@lenzielenski3276]

+MarshalNey13 Guess that means they should include a set of visegrips with every knife, huh. Bet a Triad will hold more if you put a C-clamp over the back spring, too, but that isn't the point. Personally I'd like to see both battoned to failure. Now that's a fair test.

[@MarshalNey13]

+Len Zielenski well,yes. Measure someone from the office's grip strength and just use that as a standard value. Then apply a C clamp to each knife to ensure that amount of pressure gets applied to the handle of each blade. I am not nut hugging the sebenza I want to know the chances of it failing in my hand more than it failing in a vacuum.

[@huejanus5505]

+MarshalNey13 it also failed when he had a grip on it. When a frame lock starts to cam out the layers of skin and fat in your hand are going to negate your point.

[@oromoto]

I would love to see a Cold Steel "frame lock" knife vs Reeve's frame lock knife...

[@peterisrael2012]

You're plain simple if you don't get how clearly Redundant that test would be as the test itself is to determine what lock in each knife can withstand sudden impact and yield testing better , it would defeat the purpose if the were both the same locks .

[@oromoto]

PeterPiperGamer YT This test is like comparing a Land Rover and a Ferrari off road. It has no point. If you want to compare the strength of the lock, you should compare it with the same mechanics. It is like comparing a toilet paper slicing ability with a plain edge and a serrated edge.

[@peterisrael2012]

***** You're very thick , As he said many times in the video he is testing the knife to "Cold steel's standard" . Clearly you have never made it past Primary School because your comprehension skills and Lack Luster .As for your absurd point that it would be like "comparing a Land Rover and a Ferrari off road" Chris Reeves is quoted as saying that his knife is the "yard stick that all knifes compare" or something to that effect and saying its "Built like a bank Vault " , clearly it was not built to anywhere close to the strength of a bank vault and as for being the Yard stick , that's what he was doing , Comparing .

[@peterisrael2012]

***** Not to mention the amounts of times people have compared the Cold Steel Knives to CRK and saying that cold steel falls short for making their knives in taiwan and not to high tolerances ,This is the same comparison as you said "comparing a Land Rover and a Ferrari off road " .

[@oromoto]

PeterPiperGamer YT Cold Steel standard? OH so if it is Cold Steel standard it is "correct" right? Do you even know how frame lock works? For a frame lock to fully function, you need to hold it. It was design to be in your hand. This is a bullshit test because this test is the same as testing the above knife with a fixed blade. It tells you NOTHING.

[@Ts_Evildroid]

I don't own a Sebenza, but if I did...... I would be wanting about $350 dollars back. Heck, one of those $4 Walmart knives would do better than that! Not saying the Sebenza isn't crafted with pride & looks great & made form premium materials, but wow, this test sure shows that there is a design flaw or manufacturing problem with some if not all of them. Not good.

[@GunOwnerDan]

Cris Reeve Sebenza is obviously WAY OVERRATED! But I already knew that just by looking at it, that's why I never got one.