Chris Roberts' Thoughts On NBC's Olympic Coverage & Women's Scoring In Skateboardings Debut

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[@aliveanew2272]

I'm with Crob on the announcers. We needed Chris Cole to MC. He's very good at explaining why tricks are difficult and the history behind the trick, quickly and efficiently.

[@DANYALLAYNAD]

Cole, Rowley, Zitzer. They are on the ball with everything

[@Red1676]

We got Craig mcmoris in Canada atleast, pro snowboarder can still do it better than the announcers from gymnastics lol.

[@alexandredoyen8227]

Chris Cole best commentator. Never again Garry ''IC Plug''

[@patrickhanlon932]

Cole over-explains tricks if any thing. They need Gary Rogers.

[@funkydankspliff]

FOR SURE Chris cole also Geoff rowley

[@MrJJbleeker]

Sewa was commentating on Dutch national television, and the paid Eurosport had two skaters commentating it was really good. I.e. did you know the Chinese girl in the final only skated for 2.5 years, and the gold medal winner only did one broadcasted contest before she won? Also really funny, to explain why the tricks are so hard, Sewa brought in a huge rail into the broadcast studio to show where you have to land your board. Good job to Dutch broadcasting!

[@henkforlife]

wanted to post the same, totally agree, both channels did a great job with enough respect to skateboarding! Curious for the park series

[@mauricio8778]

True. You need to skate at least for a year to know the rule of thumb: switch, nollie and heelflip tricks are harder than regular or fakie tricks.

[@Quesly1]

Nick Boserio (dude who skates for Polar) was doing the Aussie broadcast and I thought he did really well

[@julioangelico5333]

Bob burnquist commentated down here in Brazil, stoked for park to start soon

[@remcovanwinsen2701]

Still don't know how to watch it

[@julioangelico5333]

Luckily here in Brazil we had bob burnquist commentating, it was dope

[@TomTomTom87]

thats cool, he was speaking Portuguese yah?

[@philipdahl8767]

damn, we got darts announcers.

[@julioangelico5333]

@@TomTomTom87 yeaaa all in portuguese, I believe he's on schedule to commentate the park events as well

[@epocalypsefilms]

O Bob o fiz aí? Uau! Deixa me ouvir isso!

[@julioangelico5333]

@@epocalypsefilms só ver as competições pelo SporTV q quando for skate ele tá lá ué

[@jrb109kse]

You should DEFINITELY do Nine Club watch parties for Olympics and other skating events like X Games, SLS, Dew Tour, all that stuff! I would be stoked to have you guys chatting in the background while watching a competition.

[@ValleNation]

That would be siick!

[@yungcee321]

Yea fr better then the actual commentators at the events

[@chefchefchef]

True joe rogan does the same for ufc evebts he isnt commentating

[@BigFatCock0]

If there was a way to watch sporting events without commentators then this would already be a thing.

[@Blueissuperior]

They could still do it for Park and watch Andy Anderson

[@EmillionWayz]

Dude over here in Germany all the media coverage was literally ONLY about how the skaters dressed and how their smartphone apparently is their 'second most important tool' for their 'work'. Like wtf

[@memorysometimers3067]

Yikes. 98% of the worlds media is garbage. I agree what a negative approach to the skateboard family. No mention of how kids are able to escape life and do something on their own or with friends or meet new friends on a skateboard. Skateboarding goes deep for almost everyone into it. They think it’s another “sport”

[@SuperBlingCowboy]

@@memorysometimers3067 only thing that makes me think of skateboarding as a sport are the contest that are totally subjective to your type of skateboarding and how you enjoy it but is not at all how I think in my opinion how it should be represented :)

[@seife41]

Was will man machen, ich hab zum Glück nichts Gutes erwartet.^^

[@SuperBlingCowboy]

@@seife41 haha meine auch nicht

[@twotatanka5396]

Wtf haha

[@ogsxl]

Yuto does nollie 270 variations down the same handrail for those 9s. I think scoring has to do with stance, flip, spin, grind difficulty, obstacle and execution. So its just checkmarks of "did this happen yes or no"

[@tomtownsend5009]

Might push women's skating to the same level as the mens, which would be cool

[@i_have_a_coat]

Agreed they kept using "if nyjah did a front krook" as an example and its like, if he did a front krook in the best trick section it would score super low....

[@Xboxracer1]

The risk with this method is to turn the contests into math exams. I don't have the solution, I for one don't get how you rate a run on its own to be honest...

[@ogsxl]

@@Xboxracer1 the reason sls gets hate and nyjah and yuto dominate is actually precisely the fact that you can land 3-4 best tricks and have your run count for nothing whih is because it is literally a math exam. In tampa execution and flow count more than technicallity and the best trick contest is a free jam that has separate winners

[@Fenwickboy123]

I watched the golf in the Olympics and for each golfer the commentators knew everything about them. Their childhood town, how they got into the sport and their history in previous competitive games. They didn’t do any of that for skating.

[@DANYALLAYNAD]

Zitzer knows all that stuff about skaters in SLS. Iv seen people talk down on him but he knows even the smallest details

[@najtrows]

Swedish commentators were on point for that. And Katta Sterner one of the commentators knew a lot about the women since she has been involved in a lot of women's skating for many years. I was so happy to get Swedish commentators for the skateboarding :)

[@dustinmosley5965]

I think after this becomes more worked out people will see those smaller numbers as big deals. And look at it this way, one day you'll get a woman who breaks through and hits a crazy high score, it will push other women to progress even farther.

[@conradconrad24]

After watching this I said to my wife "I wonder if graffiti will ever be in the Olympics". She replied "No, graffiti is an art form, skateboarding is a sport". To me, skateboarding has always been an art form/creative outlet. Made me think...

[@MrFidofido]

It can be an art form, but you must have a decent level of athleticism for being able to skate, especially in comps. Graffiti does not require that.

[@najtrows]

Sports is art though, I mean Judo and Taekwondo are arts and sports at the same time. Diving too.. most sports could be considered art if you do it to express yourself in any way.

[@zumbie]

I would say the lesat coomon denominator for anything to be a sport is testing the body in any shape or form. I f you look at the least athletic sports like archey or shooting you're still testing the body, not much in terms of cardio or strength but you're testing vision, steady pulse and intuition idk things like that. There's arts that are sports, for example I wouldn't mind to have breakdancing in the olympics it would be like the more freestyle gymnastics but graffitti doesn't test your body, just your creativity. I can't conceive graffitti as sport unles you do a park where you have to do x tags in different surfaces in a fake street, then jump a tall fence to paint a throw up in a train and then run away from the police to the finish line or something, lol.

[@PHeMoX]

People need to refreshen their memory when it comes to the definition of 'sports', because skateboarding really always has been a physical activity that meets the definition of 'sports'. Even when just casually cruising around. It may be a way of life for some people or even an expression of creativity for all I care, but you can't deny it is a very physical activity with plenty of competitive elements in there. I also disagree that doing a tre flip is a 'creative expression of self' anyway. Millions of others have done the exact same trick. What's so special? Don't get me wrong, I understand there's an element of style and how people form their trick, but most of that isn't even truly a conscious effort.

[@PHeMoX]

@@najtrows The word 'arts' when it comes to 'martial arts' does not mean 'art' as in painting or drawing or an expression of creativity. The word 'arts' in 'martial arts' means 'way of doing', ie. a skill. Contrary to what you might think, martial arts is _not_ a dance of sorts. And in a general sense martial arts means 'to stop fighting' or ending conflict skill-fully. It has nothing to do with creativity or arts in terms of painting or drawing or freestyle dance.

[@aceonwheels2349]

It also pissed me off listening to the announcers who had absolutely no knowledge of skateboarding calling the tricks. So embarrassing.

[@jamesmotiv8989]

Yeah straight up it took me over an hour to find a working stream to watch the comp and still missed the men's. NBC botched it hard

[@jeffreysaito3813]

At least skateboarding got coverage. Surfing got close to nothing.

[@carterdrake6220]

The skateboarding announcers here in Canada were trash but on CBC there is a link to watch every event live or replay

[@DerrickDX]

@@jeffreysaito3813 they had a specific stream to watch surfing. NBC split their channels doing swapping coverages while their app had streams on exact events. That's how I watched surfing and whatever.

[@Fenwickboy123]

Get Chris Cole and Geoff Rowley to the commentary. They do a great job on street league.

[@chromebomb]

REMINDER: The Park comp is still yet to come!!! The world will see Oski and Pedro and they will love us!

[@Lilmax006]

Mannnn i was feeling the same about the announcers... the guy called 4 times in 5 minutes the number of IG followers Nyjah have, like we care.. And then Angelo from Peru did a Biggerflip fs board and the guy called it a ''kickflip boardslide'' 😒

[@user-oz5xb9ed3w]

yikes

[@jlad7745]

Bruh that shit pissed me off

[@diegop5572]

Yeah dude! I was telling my wife. That’s when I was like fuck this guy. He’s never watched a skate video.

[@Claire-ing]

yeah that was brutal

[@titancheat]

The skateboarding was awesome. I do wish they talked more about the skaters as individuals the way they do gymnasts, swimmers or runners etc.

[@downflatdown6604]

I was stoked, until I saw the women's point system. I agree with Chris.

[@JesusFriedChrist]

>equal treatment because they’re equal >being judged based on merit

[@JesusFriedChrist]

>special treatment because they’re not >artificially raised scores to cater to their feelings

[@seife41]

@@JesusFriedChrist right Mr. Fried $$

[@BigFatCock0]

@@JesusFriedChrist This isn't 4Chan. Your your thoughts like an adult.

[@stevenewton6776]

I don't understand why you feel that way. How else are you supposed to judge it? If nyjah did a kickflip 5050, it'd be a 4.0

[@pierswoo76]

Personally I'd have like to have heard Steve Olson, Grosso (RIP), Andy Roy and Jason Dills' commentary on the olympics - I'd actually pay for that

[@zeroireland]

The only person worth listening to from that list is dead.

[@rovingmauler7410]

@@zeroireland Yup

[@PHeMoX]

You seriously want a dead guy to be the commentator??

[@pierswoo76]

@@PHeMoX Im not sure its actually physically possible but who knows maybe with AI it will be possible for the next olympics

[@joaquinpanogarcia7441]

Yeah they kept cutting to commercials as the people were literally rolling up to do a trick.

[@supernewuser]

I got the same British guys announcing and they kept calling Felipe and Yuto by their last names like it was their first name because that's how it's written on the card which was just painful: "Wow Gustavo Felipe is really doing a great uh.... Well good going Gustavo..". One of the dudes probably did actually skate but was calling tricks incorrectly and using 80s names for them. He kept explaining every trick which was driving the other guy crazy. They would also hesitate and trail off midway through a sentence that didn't even involve calling a trick.

[@squashua7727]

At one point they called him Felipo Gustave 🤦🏻

[@mrfredo5069]

Yeah bro same here. I was getting so angry. Honestly did not think it was possible to do that bad a job. They called a biggerflip fs board a kickflip fs board 😑

[@jamesbest9806]

Every time they called a lipslide a boardslide I died a little bit inside

[@TwistedChaz]

Can’t have been the same guys doing the BBC coverage, Mark Churchill is a UK legend.

[@shutupcnt5222]

When he kept saying HORIGOME YOU TOE He couldn’t have made it any less Japanese sounding if he tried disgraceful to not even make an effort at the Japanese Pronunciation of his Japanese name. Also why with the surnames they might write the surname first but they don’t call you by your surname as a first name in Japan

[@mayra6vidrich]

Here in Brazil they had a lot of attention with the transmission and it was excellent. Bob Burnquist commented on open TV and on cable TV it was even better with Karen Jonz and Roni Gomes The whole country freaked out even more about skateboard

[@texastootin1628]

The girls were skating so good and even if theyre scoring it like its men vs women they were still getting robbed. They were doing hard tricks on the big rail. I forgot her name but she did a front crooks on the big rail and got a 4.4 like wtf? Judges need to try this shit it aint easy

[@me99826]

Also looking at their height compared to the guys, vs the height of the rail… its a lot higher to get up on.

[@seife41]

@@me99826 true, but Luan is pretty small too. It's more about the muscles I think

[@adriangodoy4610]

The scoring system was strange. But it recompensated body spins. The peruvian skater made a 540 flip lipslide and was rated mid 8s. And a 50/50 on the big rail was around a 2

[@Pishadoo42]

Everyone calls for equality for men and women sports. Ok we’ll use the same scoring system to keep everyone happy. Huh the scoring makes it seem like the women aren’t as good as the men. DEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRPPPP. Grow a fucking set of balls

[@owomuwu]

@@Pishadoo42 ur name is Devin

[@dnugz]

I would be all in for a Nine Club Olympics feed for next time. You could even charge for it just shut up and take my money!

[@davidarcher610]

The British guy we had commentating in Britain was a once professional skateboarder called Mark Churchill. He is more than an experienced skateboarder and tv presenter to do the job. Check out his Instagram. Not sure if you had the same commentary in the US but he did an awesome job.

[@spinyuk]

Churchill is the man :)

[@ianblackburn2645]

Apart form a few bit the British commentating from him and ed lee was surprisingly good especially since a lot of other sports had there feeds cut to other events and interview especially when there was not chance of a Brit winning

[@jlad7745]

Nah he called Tre flips "kickflips" 🤣

[@davidarcher610]

@@jlad7745 hahaha gutted.

[@livibam]

The ladies asked for the points system to be the same. End of discussion

[@ludooliver8728]

@@booboocachoo5090 so the fuck happens when a woman skater gets on the level of the Olympic men's? We give them 11s or some shit?

[@g.d.1215]

@@ludooliver8728 no, when the bar is raised the scoring gets adjusted accordingly just like in every sport with subjective scoring

[@eval7952]

@@ludooliver8728 more like 33, x3.

[@thenjr99jmod]

Equal rights equal pay equal scoring

[@PipsClips]

@@thenjr99jmod just run them all together women and men - score them the same - pay on performance - gets no more equal than that!

[@wutflex]

The coverage was trash! We missed whole runs!

[@christianramirez7885]

Dude it was a pain in the ass to watch the straight feed online and it still had ads and NBC was cutting away on every Nyjah attempt lol

[@stefanoservini3961]

BBC in the UK was good until we clearly did not have the right to the whole event as we were region blocked from heat 3 and 4, went to watch an American stream, and they were showing advert in the runs! Might as well not watch it at all, we did get the finals though which was awesome

[@wutflex]

@@stefanoservini3961 exactly! I love how Tony hawk called em out to their face at the end of mens park, he said it's like when snowboarding introduced olympics had shotty coverage and took it as a joke.

[@cdeppracing216]

That is exactly how podiums work lol. After the athletes step on their respective platforms and receive their medals they all gather on the top step for a photo.

[@stefanoservini3961]

They literally have no clue how organised sporting events work lol

[@Fake_Name12345]

The event was locked behind a paywall in the US.

[@dadude6619]

Yeah I wasn’t going to pay for it either

[@AlexNiedt]

Free trials 👍🏻

[@Quesly1]

nothign is behind a paywall if you're good enough at googling

[@DerrickDX]

I just got the free trial of FUBO.TV and then used the NBC Sports app to unlock ALL their Peacock shit for free with Fubo! So I got the Olympics AND cable free for a trial. 👀

[@RiverKinn]

i was super aggravated by the camera work. very obvious none of those camera operators had ever filmed skateboarding before.

[@AttilatheThrilla]

Well it’s live so of course they won’t get the perfect shot… Like in shooting a part you can get the perfect trick but if it’s not the perfect shot as well more than likely it will be edited out or they’ll try over until it all gels

[@MapleBar777]

You'd first have to admit there's a difference between men and women. But, I'll admit those women blow my skating out of the water soooooo. Never been a fan of "scoring" skateboarding or surfing anyway.

[@playcenter-band3994]

so you don't like competitions. that's fine, but then why comment?

[@MapleBar777]

@@playcenter-band3994 Competition is fine, it's what drives progression. But, it's subjective*. To ultimately judge what is better than something else is a matter of opinion.

[@MapleBar777]

@@eezz3597 Let me clarify; The way skaters judge each other is from a positive perspective. They see someone else doing something that ignites a passion and respect for what that person did and inspires them to improve their skill. That dynamic doesn't exist is organized competition. Edit* it only says what is valuable and what isn't. Skateboarding is an art. The beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

[@bigbrenis4582]

I was watching on usa and they showed the entire thing up until the last 2 or 3 best trick attempts for the men’s final. Literally missed the ending and all they were showing was an add for peacock premium. The fuck is the point of showing the entire thing if your not even gonna air the last 5 minutes.

[@bigbrenis4582]

Got to see the end on nbc at least fuck usa thou

[@Quesly1]

the rumor going around was that the women specifically requested that the scoring all to be the same for the womens and mens

[@jamesbest9806]

Very happy and impressed if this is the case. It’s a step in the right direction. Too many people cherry picking the benefits of equality and not wanting the downsides it comes with aswell

[@stefanoservini3961]

This is true reported before the competition started on the BBC

[@hufass]

We had nick boserio and another skater doing the commentary for the olympic skateboarding here in australia, they did fairly well

[@mehrito7586]

One of the commentators said "Alexis Sablone is 34 which is almost double the age of the youngest competitors, who are 13"… these dudes can’t even fuckin count!

[@nathandean8470]

Almost triple

[@jonathanlemus9321]

Lol. Makes comment about can’t count but the age difference is closer to TRIPLE.

[@mehrito7586]

@@jonathanlemus9321 i think you may have misunderstood my comment. i fully understand that its almost triple. the olympic commentators said everything up to the "..." and my comment is that these dudes cant fuckin count. ill try to use quotes next time.

[@djdubuque3369]

I thought the same as Chris when it came to the Ladies scores. That front crook was 9 club. A NBD for female skating and she gets shitted on

[@davidarcher610]

I'm with Chris, I watched the girls skateboarding and thought are they rated out of 5 and not 10!?! The audience namely the rest of the world would be thinking these girls/women are the best in world and getting 5 out of 10. Women's bodies are different to men's, this is a basic fact, it's not sexist, it's life. They should be scored appropriately and fairly based on their ability. Personally I was just happy to see skateboarding on the world stage. Unfortunately, our sport is highly misunderstood, we've got a way to go until the average Joe understands what we do. Peace.

[@jamesbest9806]

Completely disagree. Yes it may be anticlimactic if the girls don’t get a high score for their tricks. But if the main goal is equality, the best parts can’t be cherry picked to what works for the women and what isn’t ideal. It’s everything or nothing. The logic behind the judges scoring is that a trick that’s done will get the exact same score regardless of who’s doing it (taking into account the style and execution of course aswell). Once you start altering how you score a back lip based on whether the person who did the trick is a guy or a girl, things start to get messy and tricks start to get scored inconsistently. It’s the olympics and being impartial and scoring based purely by logic outweighs the importance of whether the girls get hyped or not when they get their score. All the judges should ask themselves is this. “If I didn’t know if this was then men’s or women’s event, and I couldn’t see the skaters face, what would I score this trick?” It should be the same across the board. This may sound harsh to some but it really is the fairest way to do things and when it’s an international competition being fair is more important than feelings.

[@kwes43]

@@jamesbest9806 Exactly. And if you know the top level of the current competitors you're skating with is 5 then effectively that 5 becomes a 10 anyway. So if all the girls are chasing a 5, then getting a 4.2 would be equally exhilarating as a 9.2. Keeping it even with the same score regardless of who is doing it is the only way to go. Anything else would be illogical at best and cause a barrage of future problems.

[@axleblaze123]

I was watching the discovery+ and they put advertisements during a run... and I paid $6 to watch this

[@FightFanGaming]

No way they should have separate scoring…

[@AttilatheThrilla]

Well no offence to the women but they don’t skate like the men so technically it is equal scoring 🤷‍♂️

[@ryanwhitacre773]

I agree with Chris, if there's a separate contest for men and women, they should adjust the scoring. Interested if it's the same for other sports?

[@OWLORDIE]

bet they stood together on the 1st place podium cuz they were like "we're the first skateboard Olympic medalists, we represent skateboarding around the world, as a sport here, first time in history", so in my opinion guys showed what skate community and skateboarding itself is like to the world

[@stefanoservini3961]

This is how all sport works, you have your standard podium ceremony then everyone gathers on the top step with the winner in the middle for the press photos.

[@OWLORDIE]

@@stefanoservini3961 oh I see now, thanx!

[@stefanoservini3961]

@@OWLORDIE tbh Im surprised it went as smoothy as it did! You know what skaters can be like 🤣

[@stefanoservini3961]

@@OWLORDIE and yeah it's a massive privilege to be the first to represent your sport in the olympics, never has our sport had such huge coverage

[@OWLORDIE]

@@stefanoservini3961 word.. recently Dale Decker and Dan Corrigan discussed it, was interesting to hear the street skaters out.. so, they said one phrase that got me, for real "why you wanna be exploited by the skate brands, but say it sucks to be sponsored by Nike or some big shit", so yeah, imho, its getting sk8brdng bigger, so there comes the big stacks and opportunities, why not to grab them to live a life they deserved, its life, something comes, something goes, the Earth's still spinning. do yo thang and everything will be okay I promise lol

[@stefanoservini3961]

A note on the scoring, according to BBC UK the woman asked to be scored the same as the men, they didn't want to be 'marked up' as they saw it as not being equal to everyone else.

[@felixdadeathcat]

Is he talking about Marc Churchill? He’s a legendary British skater, 100% knows his tricks.

[@matthewbenington7756]

Hi guys, just to say that Mark Churchill and Dan Cates were the UK commentators and both were UK pro's back in the day. Many thanks for all the amazing work you guys do, the show has kept me sane over various lockdowns here whilst working in isolation etc. Keep up the great work. Much love

[@fizzysh4rk]

i’ve heard some people say that an equal scoring curve would inspire women to progress. but here’s the thing, if there was a women’s curve, there would still be progression. i think it would have been great to judge women’s skating on where it is today. it’s already come so far. the men have had icons to look up to and cultural encouragement for decades. the women are still getting that. i think a curve for where their skating is at would possibly do more to inspire girls. like, if you get to the olympics and can only get a 5, then fuck it. but if you can get a 9 and make it a better 9 than ones in the past, i feel like that’s more encouraging. those girls are gonna inspire so much skating though. women’s skating is gonna be insane in 5, 10, 20 years. well, _more_ insane than it already is. so much respect.

[@imnotarob0t1984]

bring daniel more on the show, this line up was legendary

[@NinjaHuraku]

if they arent gonna judge the tricks for what they are instead of handicaping points for women then how can it be an olympic sport. a goal is a goal, high jump is a high jump, a front crook is a front crook. i think it is what it is.

[@Thedude897]

Exactly, this is equal opportunity.

[@lordzhangfei7534]

I agree and was happy with the scoring system alot.

[@lelandsevall7000]

agreed. same concept as changing physical requirements for the military. on another note, skateboarding is a finesse sport not a physical one with contact so in m y opinion it shouldn't be separated. women and men should skate together in comps. cuz tbh i think were all sick of seeing mediocre girls become pros while insane guys sit there being amatuer's.

[@MickyThunderV]

That 540 flip boardslide not even a nine... also kickflip front tailslide also not a nine. If anyone got robbed it's Angelo and Vincent^^

[@theezrabeast7590]

That 540 to grind was a 10. That was absolutely mental.

[@dl4274]

I think Chris was watching the CBC - Canadian Broadcast Company stream. They had 2 british announcers who sucked, they called a 360 flip 5050 attempt a hardflip and a varial heel boardslide attempt a nollie heel.

[@danteluna8322]

Even we in México had Sauro García commenting the group stage and the finals, he did a really great job.

[@rawxtir]

Crob is calling it! Straight up truth. Olympic programming and mgmt need to level up, yo

[@thethe3244]

I did not care about the scores. I was so stoked with how hard those girls were ripping, and how they were willing to take some big slams while going for it. What I am most excited about, is the progression in next few years for women in skateboarding

[@nicbrownable]

The fact that all the women’s medals were won by groms speaks to the leap in progression.

[@jamescat2386]

BBC had at least one commentator that skates and knows what they're talking about, explaining things like the difference between lipslide and boardslide, 5-0 and 50-50 to the audience, no cuts to other sports, no ads

[@mauricio8778]

I think Nyjah lost because he didn't have a game plan. His morale went down once he failed two times. All he needed to win was one 9 trick a bunch of 8.5 s.

[@ythan5245]

Yuto won and he got all 9s....

[@pnksmigge5324]

@Baja Malibu Surf Report he knew to have a chance at winning or even second place he needed a good 9 in the last 2 tries and he tried that instead of taking bronze. for all the people who think he's a robot, that is some raw fucking decision with his bag of safety tricks. put some respec on it.

[@fizzysh4rk]

@@pnksmigge5324 yeah that’s what i felt too. at that point he knew it wasn’t gold unless he did that and decided gold or bust. i do think he should have had a game plan, but still. like, he took chances. i respect that.

[@pnksmigge5324]

​@Baja Malibu Surf Report winners don't accept defeat like losers. I mean ofc I'm a fan but at the time I hoped he'd do exactly what he did to try and it failed, happens.

[@souluti0n]

He lost because the rail in Tokyo was a terrible mess. Check out Jenkem‘s coverage on this topic.

[@adrianosingolani6227]

in Brazil the announcers were Karen Jonz and Rony Gomes. Of course could be street skaters for the street competition but at least they were good skaters and know the name of the tricks. Karen rocked working on the men and women broadcasting. About the scoring, as far I know the women are fine with that (Karen talked about it during the competition), and yes, in the gymnastics the score for a "trick" is the same for both men and women, they don't judge it differently depending of the gender.

[@psyopskateboards5638]

Should get Duane Peters on the show to discuss the Olympics. Now that would be gold.

[@CatzHoek]

Kelly was in chat during that and said they can talk about that when he is back. So the T9CE in a couple of weeks will probably revisit the topic with his perspective, which will certainly be interesting.

[@sashapopove172]

Guys! Contact Tony Hawk (who is there, and is a huge respected ambassador of the sport) and see if he can get some things changed for the park events!! If anyone will be listened to, it will be him…

[@Elec3cal]

How is it going to push the women's progression if you given them a 9 for a basic trick? I wish we can see the girls flipping, spinning and everything in and out obstacles 🙌

[@tomcuddy]

exactly, in another ten years the level will be higher and the scores will rise with it.

[@i-never-look-at-replies-lol]

I mostly just wanna see more girls in the street. They really gravitate towards park & vert while I wanna see them out & about shredding.

[@Elec3cal]

@@tomcuddy 10 years 🙆🏽‍♂️😭

[@tomcuddy]

@@Elec3cal dont get me wrong these girls are amazing now, but the likes of Raissa and Sky Brown are going to be next level

[@vancouverbill]

I was stoked on the scoring, the women asked to be scored the same to have fair rating. Some of the tricks got 6+ because they were good on anyone's scale. The best girls in the world ten years ago were as good as best guys in a local skatepark, now the best girls are as good as the best guys in the world just a few years ago. In another four years and the current medalists come of age the difference will be neglible. Guys will always be able to jump off bigger drops but in terms of technicality and style it will be really close

[@geoffgreenwood6968]

Ya'll, I'm pretty sure they are straight up judged the same. Maybe not exactly, but that's what they try to do. If Nyjah did a front crook down the 12, it would be a 5. That Kickflip front board, for the top men, is a rather stock trick on most things, and would be a 5. But when a cab back lip down the 12, a trick none of the women can do, scores in the 7s, it makes sense. We are talking a regular trick, front board is the second most basic trick, and a kickflip, the safest trick to do into something. You also come out regular. Cab backlip is fakie, 270 degrees into the trick, gotta get that back truck over which is scary af, and you're landing fakie, which is harder. it's all level in the judging, and that makes more sense than adjusting. If this chicks keep it up, they WILL be at the same level, so they SHOULD be judged the same. It would be sick to watch the men and women compete at that level in 10 years, who knows.

[@tonycruise]

i agree with everything except women ever being on the same level on men, but true, also girls are given low scores because girls skateboarding is evolving way faster then mans skateboarding because the girls have a lot of catching up to do. even still the tricks girls are doing now, pro men were barely doing 20 years ago on street parts

[@dont-feed-ben4833]

I'm not a score person, but the fact that "women are constantly improving so we have to keep a high score ceiling" is not really an argument because 20 years ago the men would surely have gotten higher scores for less advanced tricks but as they improve so do the standards of what they can achieve. I agree with you though that the men and women were scored on (more or less) exactly the same basis, I don't think the judges were bias to underscore the women like the said on the pod

[@tonycruise]

@@dont-feed-ben4833 another difference is nobody knew where skateboarding was going or how fast it would evolve, now we know because we have experienced it and we know that 10 years from now even skaters that are not sponsored will be doing crazy things that pros are doing now. i get what he means though but at the end of the day the judges probably have a system that they use to prevent bias and subjectivity. if its one thing we can agree on is that skating is really hard to judge.

[@0justBETHANY]

I just watched BMX freestyle and they were scoring men's and women's differenty. The winner in women's was a 97ish and men's was a 93ish doing bigger tricks but the women's was still crazy good too

[@stefanoservini3961]

The woman in skateboard street asked to be judged to the same value as the men,it was their decision, so I was seeing it as a 5 was a 9

[@kronickruesader]

DUDE I literally just pointed this out to my friends the other day. The last qualifiers or whatever was going on at the berrics the scores were the same. The girls highest score was about the same as the dude in last place's score on the mens side.

[@luisbarvalopez]

You guys had no idea the impact the olympics made outside USA, I live in colombia and these days skating in my regular curb, 3 people has stopped to talk to me about Rayssa and legitimely asking about how hard it is, and that we need more places to have a chance to get a medalist. And they didn't even know we have 1 colombian there representig us.

[@GoodMorningJoel]

To be honest I don't think there really was a discrepancy in the scoring between men and women. I think the clearest example was that Gustavo Ribeiro did a normal 50-50 down the 12 stair rail as his last trick and scored a 2. From what I can tell, the playing field was even. I think the judges had criteria for what trick variations scored what range of points and just followed it: - What stance was the trick? - What was the flip in/flip out variation? - What obstacle was the trick on? The tricks the women did were overwhelmingly in their natural stances, and the few (basic) flip + grind/slide tricks we saw were on the smaller rails

[@trsctr]

You would have loved the Finnish commentators. Calling the tricks, opening up the lingo, telling background of the skaters and also on the tricks. Or so it seemed to for a non-skater like me. And they really enjoyed watching the contests and that vibe was contagious.

[@misled1664]

100% agree Crob. The scoring should be scaled for men and women separately and here's why; progression. Mens skating has obviously progressed in difficulty over the years and scoring has adapted according. Something that was a nine score ten years ago would not be the same score today. Same applies for vert skating and the same applies for Women. Women's skating will progress like crazy in years to come and they need to scale the scoring to the level that they are currently at. A trick that is top of the pack should be in the 9's. Progression will happen and nobody is be gonna be getting 12's obviously. Something that is in the 9's represents a trick that is top of progression at a given point in time.

[@logarhythmic6859]

Diving is scored as a scale of 0-10, 10 being "excellent", 9 being "very good" etc, and 0 is a failed dive. Then each dive has a pre-determined degree of difficulty. Each judge's score is added together (throwing out the top and bottom score), and then that's multiplied by the degree of difficulty for the final score for each dive. That might work in skating for a best trick, but idk how it could work for a full run. But there are way more tricks you can do skateboarding than there are dives. Gymnastics is scored based on a hypothetically perfect routine, and then any time you break form, you get points deducted. That wouldn't work well for skating since it doesn't allow for style.

[@stefanoservini3961]

Also they have to lock in their dives and routine before the contest starts so they are judged by their execution,skateboarding is to free flow for that

[@logarhythmic6859]

@@stefanoservini3961 Yeah, I don't think skateboarding should require sending a pre-determined run to the judges in advance. But they can get an overall "scale of 1-10" for the run, or sections of the run, then afterwards add in the multiplication factor based on the tricks that were done.

[@LifeRuiner59]

As Chris stated, they fucked up the debut of skateboarding in the olympics, the announcers didn’t know the tricks as they were being done! It was pathetic!

[@Alessio-Zinna]

The BBC coverage in the UK was amazing they were on point

[@DANYALLAYNAD]

I don’t know if BBC was the same as Eurosport but they were two English dudes and they made it so much worse to watch. I could tell from how long they paused after a trick that they had little clue what they were seeing

[@stefanoservini3961]

@@DANYALLAYNAD different presenting team, but BBC missed out on heat 3/4 on the mens

[@DANYALLAYNAD]

@@stefanoservini3961 whoever is commentating on Eurosport right now in women’s park literally has no clue. It’s just one dude and he’s said he’s not a skater. Not calling any tricks or anything

[@bransolo11]

“The nine club at the olympics” this should’ve already happened dude

[@christianramirez7885]

AS A FAN OF SKATEBOARDING!! it was a pain in the ass to watch the straight feed online and it still had ads and NBC was cutting away on every Nyjah attempt lol

[@christianramirez7885]

Also dont get me started on the fact that none of the heats for women were shown and women final was still shown super shitty and kept being cut away

[@xacob3]

I watch the South American broadcast and the same happend, many announcers couldnt call tricks. In bmx also couldnt call regular rotation from opposite rotation

[@Jmack7861]

When it comes to the IOC, the more objective the better, wouldn’t be surprised if it had to be like this for them to get into the Olympics. The fact that it’s the same scoring metrics across all genders is something that all Olympic sports have. The closest thing in terms of scoring in the Olympics to skateboarding is diving, but the male to female skill level ratio is closer than in skateboarding

[@Unemployedrobots]

You guys should get Garrett hill on here when it’s all done and hear his perspective 🤙🏽

[@chromebomb]

the coffee slam is fake

[@PatPrika42]

There was literally 5-10 mins left in the final for the gold medal and they switch to the beginning of an 85 mile race for cycling. Who gives a shit finish the last 10 minutes of the sport that’s in the Olympics for the first time and then show whatever you want.

[@owenwibberley692]

it is odd. The BBC commentators (obvs two british guys) clearly knew what they were talking about. They were calling the tricks correctly as they happened.

[@Bog2901]

The issue imo wasn't that the scoring system was the same between men and women, the issue was scores fell off a huge cliff for not being the most crazy insane trick variations, and also that guy's were getting higher scores than the average woman on failed runs with like 3-4 bails. Honestly I'd love to hear from someone with more insight as to how the tricks were judged and maybe break down a few runs with specifics, the judging didn't make a lot of sense to me even for the men. Like why was Milou's pressure flip off the bump to the 12 stair rail a 9.23 but Yuto's nollie 270 was a 9.50? I don't think Yuto did a single flip trick in any of his scores that counted.

[@brendonmasters]

No mention of the filming? The camera changes as the trick was popped the way out of focus panning shots

[@beaverr7230]

i had those same announcers and half the time i was like thats not that trick

[@danrushmerskates6625]

I was saying the same thing!! Those commentators didnt know anything!! Thank you for saying this thought i was going crazy

[@ShinyHubCaps]

On the bright side, the video and camera angles for the broadcast were flipping magnificent

[@bigalbbq8483]

The way diving scoring works is that each trick is given a multiplier. Then you get a score out of ten on how well you performed that trick. I believe for men and women the multipliers are the same(its how it was when i was a kid). This is actually a better system in my opinion because it seperates quality of trick with difficulty. A woman who performs an easier trick can get a 10 which is then multiplied by its difficulty, and be proud the trick she was doing received a 10. The problem is that trick difficulty is way more linear in diving, so Im not sure how it could be balanced for skating (maybe a score for quality, multiplied by some multiplier for difficulty that is determined?)

[@ntnnot]

:D Chris' comments about Roos Zwetsloot's pants. Caught my eye as well. Nice outfit. And she was killing it as well. Came close.

[@Mark_GL]

Bring Yuto on the show!

[@louisbell9041]

100% agreed! the announcing was horrific! I had to watch it on mute.

[@MisterIsme]

I get what crob was saying. Like, a chick doing a front cook down 12 is massive in terms of the current skill level in women's skating. It's bs that since it is a rather "common" trick for men it seen as like less challenging in the realm of women's skating.

[@JesusFriedChrist]

>equal treatment because they’re equal >being judged based on merit

[@JesusFriedChrist]

>special treatment because they’re not >artificially raised scores to cater to their feelings

[@homogenizeme]

front crook on a 12 stair is NOT a common trick for men, even olympic competitor men.

[@MisterIsme]

@@homogenizeme it's one of those things thats hard to explain without someone making it out like I'm downplaying one or the others abilities, which I'm not. I'm just saying in the current state of skateboarding there is definitely a skill gap, and something that may be a 4 in men's could very well be an 8 in women's events.

[@culpablecruz]

“They need to say stuff like ‘he’s never climbed Mount-Whatever or whatever” 🤣🤣😂

[@dillingerdan]

Here in the UK the BBC commentators mentioned that the women opted to use the same scoring as the men. Which empowers them to compare their score and get better, which I personally thought was just plain awesome. I get that it looks worse seeing low scores, but that’s the risk of the drive to move the sport forward.

[@BlueHoundDog]

Diving is like that, there is 0-10 multiplied by the degree of difficulty which is the same for men and women. Snowboarding is like you are describing though, and I think I agree it's more exciting that way.

[@drewphifer4684]

Should the same difficulty tricks not receive the same score? Are we really suggesting some sort of handicap? Like if a guy does a 360 flip down a ten stair he gets 5 points but if a girl does it give her 9 points?

[@isee7668]

Yes, a handicap, like other womens sports. In other sports there's the "open" category ie open for everyone, basically ruled by men, and then there's a special category just for women, (or at least it used to be.)

[@jamiethompson9705]

The presenters who Chris was talking about were Ed Leigh and Marc Churchill. Ed Leigh is a British presenter that mainly does sailing I think. But Marc still skates and definitely knows what he is talking about in regard to skating. Bit weird they got Ed Leigh in presume he was contracted in because he works for the BBC alot.

[@seckswrecks9435]

Didn't even have a single vx1000 in the camera crew, smdh

[@timc-m7306]

yall need to do a live stream/commentary for the next Olympic skate event!

[@h.c4898]

Paris 2024, L.A 2028.

[@ouzei]

On our TV on annoucers was a croos country skiing dude and the other announcer was a snowboard pro and a good skater and he was calling many many tricks with snowboarding terms, but they were hyped so it didnt really matter. + learned a bit bout snowboarding too

[@jayse324]

that facebook ad with the longboards is the worst

[@DANYALLAYNAD]

Something sucked was I couldn’t find a live chat when the Olympics was going on. I don’t use discord but I’m thinking now there’s probably one on there? Would like for the next one on Wednesday

[@Flip4910]

I completely understand this. If there judges for skateboarding they should have a pretty good idea of where the level is for women and judge accordingly

[@atbta]

The announcers sounded like they might have been Japanese and learned English through a British/Australian broadcasting school. Also, I think it's amazing that skaters actually are fans of Yuto and back him super hard and he won, that was a win for skateboarding.

[@garthschneider7363]

The " is diving the same" is so spot on..well done all

[@matttmallow3460]

Why does Crob don’t watch SLS

[@diegop5572]

It totally makes sense what Crob is saying. They watch the qualifiers. You get a sense of what the level is.