How NOT to Make a Sequel | Deus Ex: Invisible War Retrospective

[@ChrisDavis_Games]

Timestamps for you: Intro - 0:00 Making of - 4:00 Gameplay - 6:05 Level design - 22:30 Story - 28:35 Side content - 42:09 Bugs - 44:55 Conclusion - 46:38

[@Cainite]

You know, up to this point I tryed to ignore the insertion of your own political agenda into your videos but this time you really took the cookie... You do know that the _"people"_ responsible for those _"few broken windows"_ are also responsible for up to 36 dead since the riots startet, including David Dorn and Jessica Doty-Whitaker? Not to mention that these _"few broken windows"_ in Minneapolis alone accumulated *500 million dollar* in property damage and I don't even want to know the numbers from NY, Seattle, Portland ect.

[@darknessviking]

hey its the guy who complained about witcher wasnt diverse enough xD

[@BigC60]

@@darknessviking haha. I too noticed he was a sjw, and I'm not even american or english.

[@blondemaverick]

Thanks Chris D. Great video as always!

[@alexscriabin]

@@aweigh1010 even with all the "white Latinos for Trump", Trump still lost in 2020.

[@ВладимирКоролёв-х1м]

I like how the difference in style of covers tells all you need to know about the difference between these 2 games.

[@mmdrezakh]

Sad

[@curly-d23]

What a shame.

[@joeytunney5476]

One correction to make that I noticed, in the first Deus Ex, it actually is possible to have both Cloak types since there were two slots for Subdermal augs, not just one. It was much harder to do though because you had to locate two aug canisters that had the cloaks in them, as opposed to this game where you can get them whenever you find a canister.

[@LetsPlayPC]

I remember this fiasco unfolding in real time, as the developers announced one Godawful design decision after another and the fans got on their knees and begged them not to do it. They didn't listen to the fans. At all.

[@thecoolestfool7688]

as an aspiring game dev who's one of his favorite games were deux ex, this video was really helpful, thank you.

[@Sean_Callahan]

9:36 I look at this a bit differently. The swimming skill and aqualung aug synergize to make you a SUPER SWIMMER. (One wiki claims that maxing out both gives you *ten minutes* of breath meter) The mistake was making swimming matter so rarely in play that most players hesitate to put skill points into it, let alone skill points *and* upgrade canisters.

[@MrFreshBanana]

a little trivia for 15:53 : in Mass Effect, the weapons are ballistic based (except for those that aren't). The projectile comes from a block of solid metal inside your weapon. The exact mass is calculated and taken from the block trough computer processing and miniature mass effect generators and shot at the target. Which is why you had infinite ammo in the first game and only cooling clips in the second (and third, I think). The more you know

[@saintallison]

One of my favorite lore tidbits from the series! :D

[@MrFreshBanana]

@@saintallison have you read the books? If you like the world building the codex and planet descriptions provide, then you'll love the books. The original three, by Drew Karpyshyn, of course. Not the Andromeda disasters...

[@saintallison]

@@MrFreshBanana I read Revelation before playing the first game in 2012, and I absolutely loved it! To be completely honest I've never played 2, but if Karpyshyn wrote tie-in novels I'll definitely check them out! I was cautious about continuing the series after hearing so many complaints about 3 since I didn't want be disappointed, but being much older now I think I could appreciate the good in the series even if it doesn't end as well as it should have.

[@MrFreshBanana]

@@saintallison To be honest, I don't remember the state 2 and 3 were in on release, but with all the DLCs and updates they are absolutely worth your time. I vaguely remember being disappointed by 3s ending. But on my recent play through I wasn't. Don't know if I've grown up a bit or they really fixed the ending. Best, if you start with 1 again, to refresh yourself, and also to import the same character into all three games

[@jamesserrano5619]

With that Bioware clearly didn't care all that much about the combat to add a reload button, and just made a semi-scientific lore reason to justify it. Not that I'm complaining, but it is a pretty clear case of the lore justifying the gameplay as opposed to vice versa.

[@zer00rdie]

I had completly suppresed the memory of this game.

[@huismands]

It did have ragdoll physics though. So there's that...

[@pud354]

Ragdoll physics are awesome! I'm following the Deus Ex: Reborn+ project with hopes of replaying Deus Ex 1 with body ragdoll physics one day

[@ethan8804]

Lol I remember sending people flying with the smg & sniper as a kid

[@shadowslayer205]

Funny thing about you poking holes in the Helios ending: Ion Storm knew it wasn't the perfect plan either. One of their scrapped game ideas was a sequel to invisible war taking place after the Helios merger, which would've shown that JC's posthuman civilization didn't go as perfectly as he'd advertised, and there were multiple factions resisting his leadership. [One of which was led by Paul Denton himself, who believed JC and Helios were becoming corrupt.]

[@leinadreign3510]

The coffe shop quests are the only thing I can remember of this game ^^

[@geegee1014]

I never noticed the Moby Dick reference in the coffee shop names before! Clearly a nod to another famous coffee chain that goes by the name of the first mate.

[@Unatcowomensbathroom]

Love that coffee shop music too

[@peppermillers8361]

The one in Seattle where the VOX club owner asks you to kill an arms dealer is fun too, mostly because you can fuck over everyone involved.

[@zakarymoninger7845]

I have a few memories of the things I did playing this game between 6-12 y/o. 1. Playing basketball in the first area. 2. Getting lost/running out of ammo in the Germany level because kids are dumb. 3. Attempting to kill a penguin with a guided missile (in my dad's save file, because like I said, I got lost and never made it that far). 4. Throwing a gas grenade into a room full of children because they actually let you attack kids in this game.

[@dbstop9194]

44:55 the reason for the Order to kill you in the tarsus assault is because they were actually under Saman´s orders. Lin-May Chen was completely unaware of it.

[@kaptenteo]

Suffered from the same consolitis as the third Thief game. That game still had an interesting story, though.

[@joeytunney5476]

In my opinion, Thief Deadly Shadows still turned out very good, it was the limitations that kept it from reaching its full potential. Whereas this game was deliberately overly simplified in addition to the hardware limitations.

[@SaturnineXTS]

Actually in Deus Ex 1 you very well could have both cloaking augmentations if you wanted to. You had three torso slots, and that was the only thing that limited you. That and the contents of augmentation canisters. But if you found two cloak/radar transparency canisters and had two free subdermal aug slots, you could install them both with no problems. You'd of course miss out on a slot to use for a defensive aug like ballistic protection that way, but otherwise it's open season bro

[@AlexJonesGaming]

I'm not gonna sit here and pretend Invisible War is by any means as good as the original Deus Ex it's still a lot of fun and a lot of the issues most people have I find to be kind of nitpicking

[@peppermillers8361]

I won't call it nitpicking when you can literally knock out _everything_ in this game with a baton just by maxing out strength and EMP melee damage. It's fun but it also makes the experience really numb and unintentionally hilarious because no one bothered to fix this. Not even DX1 gotten this bad.

[@michimatsch5862]

When he said „Invisible war“ at 45:28 I legit understood „Miserable war“ and I thought he sung a pun in there. I watched too much Joseph Anderson man.

[@axey7476]

I had Invisible War on original Xbox and me and my brother would play it for HOURS on end just using the pick up random item and throw it at people. As we never played Half Life so this was our fight experience with a "grav gun" controllable environment type of play. Still have memories of the Egypt level and running around the class room vents or w/e they were.

[@admiraltonydawning3847]

I hope that EYE: Divine Cybermancy will get a retrospective.

[@Ashkimbo]

Mandalore gaming already did a great video about it: kzbin.info/www/bejne/d4TGdImwerOWoNU

[@fourlamb1]

I loved this game, so very much.

[@maltsutty]

I’d love to see a review of this game by someone who ACTUALLY loved it instead of legit everyone hating on it lol

[@HappyZavulon]

The only thing I actually appreciated is being proficient with all weapons without having to use skill points. The original Deus Ex was just not fun at the start when your gun was as accurate as a musket prototype.

[@BigPuddin]

Yeah. You have to close enough to see someone's pores to guarantee a hit with a firearm even with decent points in that weapon's proficiency. I just sneak around cattle prodding people instead.

[@Wintd1]

Weapon mods did speed this process up though, so if there was a particular weapon you really liked using, you could just invest most of your mods into that weapon and pretty quickly turn it into a laser. I was already able to play it like a shooter before leaving New York.

[@SmallLegacy]

Well if you like run and gun games then yea, though I liked the way Deus Ex forced you to think of other ways to deal with enemies, you could go non lethal or avoid conflict entirely, and over time when you accumulate weapon mods and skill points you can run and gun as much as you wanted.

[@HappyZavulon]

@@SmallLegacy Honestly I justify didn't like how a a cyber cop has worse aim than my grandma. It's good to have options and I've played HR mostly in stealth and using non lethals, but it was fun to have an option to just blast someone.

[@peppermillers8361]

@@HappyZavulon I Personally disagree, I think the system works quite well. The problem is that the hit registration for enemies, sound design, and animation doesn't make it feel like you're hitting anything. Hell, the 10mm pistol in DX1 is fairly broken if you invest into it and can down most enemies with a headshot.

[@Duchess_Van_Hoof]

The grenade/mines, the lockpicks, the multitools, the hacking, the armour suits and such are the things that make me actually play Deus Ex past the first level. I love all these weird utility items and that I can specialize in them. They are amazing!

[@Veganarchy666]

(0:00-4:00) That thesis could apply to all of the Deus Ex games after the original by those standards.

[@clone796]

Mankind Divided is really good though, but they never get the gunplay quite right tbh. that's the price we pay

[@brodriguez11000]

@@clone796 : The complaint about keycodes is interesting because in later Deus Ex if one knew the code it was revealed at entry, otherwise one had to hack.

[@StevenGarcia-im8rr]

I still hold this as my favorite game of all time, and I know how much others hate it. But to be fair, it was the first game that I played that had a story beyond "kill everything because you have a gun" and I'm sure if I were on PC instead of console and had the first game that would be above this, but it remains so to me and apparently only me.

[@papalegba6759]

yeah i played it after the original deus ex & really enjoyed it. the first 1 was more immersive imo but this had some great missions, like rescuing the kids in the tarsus academy & the abandoned antarctic base. very atmospheric.

[@chrismurphy4398]

It's my favorite of the bunch

[@gotd4m]

Invisible war was my introduction to the immersive sim genre. Not the best example of the style, but I'll always have a special place in my heart for it. I had consoles at the time.

[@SoftAsABaboonAss]

Same for me, I was on the og Xbox back then. Both Invisible War and Chronicles of Riddick blew my mind with their worlds. Maybe IW is a step down from the original but it was great in its own way. Someone who starts playing Deus Ex with it will like it more. I did.

[@ThatTravGuy]

Damn, sounds like you're having the same problem I had running IW. Even with Visible Upgrade and setting the game to run off of a single core, I still get those black screens on loading zones. Though I didn't think to kill the processes in hopes that it eventually works out. I'll remember that.

[@kova1711]

All you need is to turn off nvidia overlay, that causes the issue

[@OnafetsEnovap]

@@kova1711 You know what's weird? The Visible Upgrade changes the in-game font to OCR A (which I'm a big fan of), but i's harder to read than Handel Gothic (for me, at least).

[@wildestcatever]

I like this game back then. The gameplay is more streamlined compared to the first game, but its still an enjoyable game on its own right. The lighting back then is sublime.

[@zenhendershott7907]

I turned the game on and the UI immediately made me nauseous, it's like Alex runs iPod arkanoid as his main OS

[@MICKEYrenraw]

8:28 DX:II doesn't have locational damage, so a head shot deals as much damage as a foot shot, another thing dumbed down because it was incorrectly believed console players couldn't manage head shots to take advantage of them ... although that's not the whole truth, locational damage DID exist, but it would only apply when using a scoped weapon... so yes II DID have locational damage but it was removed unless shooting through a scope :C what were they thinking :/

[@Texelion]

Me : Oh cool, Invisible WAr, I always wanted to play it, wonder if it's worth it Chris : the good thing about Invisible War is that you really don't need to play it

[@alessandromorelli5866]

I played it eh there are worst ways to spend your time, you can give it a shot lol

[@etherweb6796]

I second Alessandro's comment - I played it when it originally came out - It was alright - I played all of the different endings, and yes - the game is a lot smaller / shorter, but still fun. Although Human Revolution or Mankind Divided are both better.

[@feetpics3785]

It is a waste of time, if a game is bad, let it be entertainingly so, this game is boring.

[@mrbouncelol]

If you like the Deus Ex world then it's worth playing. It's not that bad

[@crazyrabbits]

You _really_ don't need to play it. There's nothing that's so groundbreaking that it requires you to invest the time. The "big twists" (WTO and Order being the same, JC Denton being alive, Paul somehow(?) being alive) are either given short-shift or don't really mean anything until it's too late to care. The gameplay is so ho-hum that i found it to be a chore.

[@sothatsdevintart2562]

I honestly think that Deus Ex 2 could make a really interesting reimagining, keep some plot points and characters like Alex and J.C. Denton, but change the gameplay and setting to something that feels like a true sequel to Deus Ex.

[@rabbyd542]

I have a lot of good memories playing this for real. Never played he original.

[@tyskbulle]

"That definitely got my attention given how some people in the real world, are more concerned with a few broken windows then the lives of black people". Billions in property damage, millions out of city budgets, disruption of peace, law and order. The cost of the lives of over 20 people. Either you care for law & order and be a racist, or you support black people. Polarization... Its FANTASTIC!

[@BobExcalibur]

He's being intentionally stupid to provoke arguments in the comment section and drive the meta to future videos. Stop falling for it; he doesn't engage in discussion, just hurls abuse. There's no point in responding.

[@Schurfable]

Things are just things, the worth of dollars is arbitrary. Unarmed people shouldn't be killed by police in the first place

[@-pressxtostart-]

@@BobExcalibur and you are still here! STILL!

[@BobExcalibur]

@@-pressxtostart- I'm part of the highly profitable "point and laugh" audience.

[@Dennis-nc3vw]

If they broke his window he would feel very differently.

[@JP-kp3uv]

I love it when i see a new Chris Davis video in my youtube recommendations. He is my favorite game-talky person.

[@tristancollins-pellington9382]

It wasn't "a few broken windows". It was people's lively hoods. These small (mostly black owned) businesses will never recover.

[@DrDaveDavington]

He's not here for a debate. He just wants to bate you and mock you in the next video. You're just an “internet baby” to people like him just let it go

[@humidsnake1291]

He always at least puts one virtue signal in his videos

[@megamike15]

@@humidsnake1291 this one comes out of nowhere to.

[@Gungrave123]

Ah, so he snuck a pro-BrunLootMurder rant in this one. Good to know that i can skip this video as well.

[@mcteethinator]

ok internet baby

[@ikymetaverse2377]

damn in USA, 1 billion dollars in damages for broken windows, those are some damn expensive windows

[@oliverf.4235]

Just because people disagree with you, that doesn't make them 'angry internet babies'. That kind of argument makes yourself look bad.

[@BobExcalibur]

It almost looks like intentional irony. He used the "tapestries of ignorance" line from JC as well as his criticisms of how the protagonist takes the Denton's ideas as gospel without answering back... That sounds like a person frustrated with dealing with people who assume their moral and intellectual superiority over you, and irritation at having to deal with them. Either its irony or a critical failure of self-awareness.

[@-pressxtostart-]

Have you read their comments? I could hear them crying and stomping their feet from here.

[@clevelandbrown4571]

39:51 Yeah, you should tell that to the family of David Dorn and others who lost their lives during the summer of love.

[@B-26354]

He's an overeducated, middle class, English man with alot of self loathing in regards to his own ethnicity... The types of circles he hangs around in on Reddit etc has conditioned him to think and speak a certain way. As a Brit I've met countless middle class students and graduates who speak and act out just like him, they all think a certain way and generally are so entrenched in their socialist mindsets nothing can shake them out of it. He is a walking, talking stereotype at this point with little ability to truly think for himself.

[@foxglove65]

You came all the way to Paris to tell me that?

[@gaiusfulmen]

39:28 Dismissing anyone who disagrees with you as "angry internet babies" is (ironically enough) quite childish. I read the comments you refer to and, far from being angry or accusatory, they were for the most part simply sharing a different perspective on the game's story. Explaining why one disagrees with a certain conclusion does not make one an "angry internet baby", and it is perfectly fine to express such an opinion. While I'm sure there were a handful of comments that provided nothing other than hate, such comments are par for the course on KZbin. If those hateful comments, assuming they do or did exist, are what you were specifically referring to, you should have stated as much out of respect for your audience. Name-calling communicates little but insecurity and immaturity on your part.

[@SNESfan8]

This was one of my all time favorite games

[@TactDB]

The worst part of the Xbox was how ALL PC games started to be like this. That's why that argument resonates so well. FPS games went from 90 FOV to default 45-60 (for consoles). They went from large maps and levels to bite sized ones (for consoles limited ram). Controls used to be all encompassing to limited (for console controllers; no F-keys for your augments on a controller).

[@megabyte01]

In an admittedly weak defense of the game, I think it's technical graphics were fairly impressive for the time. The models had high poly counts and the light and shadow effects were eye-catching. That being said, good graphics alone do not make a good game. They should have just finished making thief 3 first and then worked on the deus ex sequel.

[@maltsutty]

I remember playing on the original Xbox and being blown away by the ragdoll physics . Tossing bodies over fences never got old to a young naive me lol

[@megabyte01]

Coming back to this game a couple years later, I think the main reason I wanted to enjoy it (keyword wanted) was because I enjoyed the first game so much and I wanted to experience more of its world and the consequences of my decisions as a player. It was interesting to see how the story acknowledged each of the different endings and allowed you to made a more final choice this time, including the semi-secret Omar ending.

[@jaredburton1300]

I love this game, warts and all. But the most memorable part for me, and something I found very pertinent in 2022, was the part in Cairo where you can prevent a school shooting planned by Templars targeting kids for being modified. I still think that was an underrated and ballsy addition by the writers.

[@robertforster8984]

Deus Ex Invisible War is a good game. It is way better than Human Revolution. HR was not even an immersive sim.

[@Xertaron.]

Feels like Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance next to the original - it's Baldur's Gate, but not really.

[@megamike15]

thats a bad example. da was not pretending to be a sequel. if anything baldurs gate 3 fits more.

[@Xertaron.]

@@megamike15 Invisible War doesn't call itself "Deus Ex 2" either. From the name it sounds more like a spin off, rather than a sequel. As for bg3 i do admit i'm not a fan of the direction it's going for, but we'll see when it's released.

[@video_ouija7114]

My buddy just brought this over and we played it. My first time seeing it

[@OTElron]

Today the augmentation system would have also 3, the third one would do the same thing as 1 and 2 combined and could eihter be acquired by 30 hour grind or be bought in the ingame shop for fantasy money.

[@kaleidoscopickait]

I can’t wait for your critique of the newest deus ex!!

[@Nineteenfivepointfive]

Well it's not a bad game. But it is not the game we expected to get after the hype around it

[@FainDAFT]

Just picked up human Revolution. The lore is dope and I’m digging the gameplay. Might check the older ones out eventually

[@julianbell9161]

You gotta play the original

[@J7041-u7m]

2:46 - I suggest we go with "Disney Live Action" as the code for this situation... :D

[@Salt-Upon-Woundss]

I feel like this game was held back by the hardware of the era more than anything.

[@AlfredoHernandez-vu1ft]

I like your content man but there is a lot more nuance to the broken windows comment I saw multiple business owned by colored people in my city of Chicago burned to the ground and it was something really sad to see man. The truth is that situation shouldn’t have never happened in the first place. I remember fearing my place of work (a small business) was going to get burnt to the ground and I think had you experienced something like that you think twice about that comment and I’m saying this as a colored person

[@release2]

Agree, it was more than just a few broken windows. It's also kind of offensive to me to have someone who has probably never even visited the country but making comments like that.

[@LetsPlayPC]

In retrospect, this game was the advanced herald of the Dark Ages of PC gaming. It was the first in a series of games that signalled the destruction of the platform, which was only revived thanks to Steam and crowd funding.

[@thesii213]

I remember modifying the UI on this and wound up really enjoying it. I still remember the last snow levels and the sound of the arctic snow underfoot. I have no idea why this stands out to me after such a long time.

[@sebastiansochanski]

Is it only this game in particular or any snow level in any game? Cause for some reason I enjoy them a lot,games, films, books whatever is set in harsh, snowy environment I love it.

[@thesii213]

@@sebastiansochanski Good question. I think this one seemed to do it best relative to other games I'd played at the time? The crunch of the snow underfoot sounded different... like a superfrozen arctic snow that felt more like styrofoam than anything else. I really liked it. I also had all the speed upgrades and a sword, so I felt like a predator racing over the open environments.

[@Dennis-nc3vw]

One thing I loved about IW is every level has its own atmosphere. The eerie, cold arctic. The sterile, soulless (in a good way), modern Upper Seattle. The sinister, gothic Templar hideout. Etc. It's the opposite of Deus Ex: Human Revolution where everything just blends together into one yellow meh.

[@gustavonovakoski4867]

The problem of playing this game on pc is that EVERY LOADING SCREEN goes to your desktop it's sooo annoying

[@cowboycave5071]

Keep up the good work! I’m lookin forward to the next CRPG vid. It’s been great to watch you take that journey through them.

[@griimae8022]

Ok, I’ll bite: Broken windows of black people’s businesses do negatively affect their lives; more so, if they are set on fire afterwards; and the lives and well-being of people, who put a lot of hard work, made something of themselves, and helped their communities, objectively matter more than whatever is that sad existence of the drags doing the breaking and arson in the name of some dragon-chasing gang-banger, who posthumously became a millionaire, literally proving that he’s worth more dead than alive. I’m looking forward to the continuation of your analysis of the current sociopolitical climate in the next video! Just don’t bury the lead - your videos usually knock me out after 20 minutes or so. It’s a miracle I got that far in this one!

[@saisameer8771]

His game analyses are really good but he is one hell of a champagne socialist with a tendency to lecture people on what is good for them.

[@mcteethinator]

hey bro, have you heard of "insurance".

[@TheDeadfast]

@@mcteethinator Yes, because insurance companies are universally known for immediately paying you the full sum required to make you whole, no questions asked.

[@kurtchristel4035]

I loved this game as a kid. Also I had NOT played the original so there was no expectations going in. And the demo was interesting enough.

[@GuyIncognitoIV]

I played this when quite young and before the original, so I was able to enjoy it a lot as I’d not played anything quite like it at that point Then I played the original, which I realised was better in almost every way (save rag doll physics!) Playing as a more analytic adult nowadays, the almost insulting simplicity of the game and even its worldbuilding finally ended my rosy nostalgia for it Btw, in regards to the Order attack at the start being dismissed as an ‘overzealous captain’, there actually is a reason for it and not just an excuse for target practice. In the Order’s mission in Seattle you’ll encounter that captain, Lamar, and learn that he’s working with the Templars

[@Adamnme01]

It should have been titled Deus ex : visible loading

[@independentthought3390]

Invisible War was one of the first PC games, ported from xbox to PC. It basically started the consolization era, which eventually ended the single player first person shooters and rts games, while dumbing down all other genres.

[@dranyth]

Chrono Cross is the only 'false sequel' I really consider legit. I mean, the game has interesting mechanics, amazing soundtrack, great graphics as a late era PSX game, and the story is intriguing... up until near the end they go 'Oh yeah, this is a sequel to Chrono Trigger', and completely shit all over the characters from Chrono Trigger. So it's a fine game on its own, but I really hate it as a sequel to Chrono Trigger.

[@megamike15]

you can't be a false sequel when the events of trigger are why cross even happened.

[@JonathanPaspula]

Resident Evil 4? Metal Gear Rising Revengeance?

[@megamike15]

@@JonathanPaspula re 4 is still connected to the rest of the series. mgrr is a spin off not a sequel.

[@casanovafunkenstein5090]

This story summary immediately becomes far more compelling if, like me, you accidentally mishear 'JC' as 'Jay Z'

[@JonathanPaspula]

Deus Ex IS ONLY ENTERTAINMENT

[@theimperialcanis3111]

I was able to acquire a dual pack of this and DX1 for cheap on Ebay. To run them smoothly, especially DX2, I went into my bios and disabled multi-core computing and turbo boost. Then I set the ATA mode to IDE and enabled full legacy support, in order to install Windows XP on my second hard drive. Between Windows XP and CPU limitations at the bios level, my DX2 gameplay seems to be running fairly smoothly. It's definitely a ridiculous setup, but I enjoy using older OSes from time to time.

[@brodriguez11000]

Virtualization sounds like it would be an easier path unless one needs hardware accuracy.

[@dingbatfpv]

I liked this game, it was the first immersive sim I played, I rinsed the demo and bought it as soon as it came out. Something about the hard shadow and ultra harsh normal maps aesthetic is cool as fuck. It's not realistic but it's rad.

[@ageoflove1980]

Trier is pronounced as Treer (more or less).

[@andrewstencel]

Deus Ex had a 40 hours campaign? I finished it in about 16 hours, while taking my time and exploring the maps quite a bit...

[@MiguelXisto1]

Let me just disagree on one thing. The original Deus Ex was head of its time regarding to the story. It predicted a terrorist attack that changed the world. It predicted a pandemic that its starting to change the world. And seeing pharmaceuticals companies who hold the covid vaccines starting to hold countries that need their vacjnes in their hands seems very Deus Ex 1 to me. Other then that, I loved your video and now going to watch the Human Revolution critique. Invisible War was probably my very big gaming disappointment ever. Deus Ex 1 was and stil is one of top 5 games ever and my only two memories of the sequel was installing it and beeing hyper excited for playing Deus Ex 2, then having the game crashing over and over and when I got it to work thinking: "where's the skills???" Great video mate.

[@stephenwalker1984]

The protagonist is called Alex D as in Alexander/Alexandra Denton. What the developers failed to understand is that ‘Dee’ is an actual surname. While this is still on the nose, isn’t as obvious to what the “shock horror” reveal that they were going for. Kind of like Homer J Simpson’s full name is Homer Jay Simpson but obviously the other way around.

[@ArtofWEZ]

This was my first deus ex, I was so disappointed playing the first one after and it not having ragdoll lol I remember much more and have more fond memories of this one than the original.

[@peppermillers8361]

Ragdoll physics were fun to mess around with in IW.

[@DynamixWarePro]

I liked Invisible War but it was nowhere near as good as the original Deus Ex and it didn't feel like the original much. I liked the music and the improved graphics/physics. With the original Deus Ex, there were many ways to play through the game from killing everyone who could be killed, not harming anyone except MIchael Hammer who had to be killed to progress the game past the Silo mission, using only non lethal force and knocking out enemies' instead of killing them, only finding codes for keypads, and username/passwords for computers with no hacking allowed and more. There is a few things about Invisible war I didn't like: 1) Universal ammo. Why would every weapon use the same ammo? A pistol and a rocket launcher use the same ammo? How is that fair if the only ammo you have is tired to every ranged weapon and using one weapon effects how much ammo you have left for the other weapons? I often ran out of ammo by the time I got to the Antarctica missions and got in trouble, especially if one of the Greasels saw me and or one of the Knights Templar saw me and shot at me with rockets. 2) You had to find the code for keypads or hack, you couldn't just type in a code like you could in the original which I preferred. 3) Invisible War felt more like a shooter with nowhere near the amount of choices you had in the original to playthrough it such as I mentioned above. 4) In Deus Ex you had Augmentations and skills you were locked into once you choose them which did have an effect on the game later on. In Invisible war, you could just replace Biomods with another one when you found it, making your choices felt less of an importance and there was too many Bio mod canisters . 5) Your loyalty choices and ending choices. In the original Deus Ex, you had a choice at the end of which ending to go for, Tracer Tong, Illuminati or Helios but up to then you were mostly on the side of good after finding out about UNATCO with little to no deviation from that until the end game missions in Area 51. In Invisible War, you had a few choices and up to a point you could choose between them then if you didn't like that, choose a different faction at the end to align yourself with, or none at all. At leas to me, as you could switch back and forth between loyalties at different parts of the game and become allies or enemies of them at different times, so it felt less important which ending you went for and if you didn't like the idea of JC Denton, Illuminati or the Templars being in control and you instead went with Leo and took them all out, rather than being a better solution, the Earth becomes unlivable and only the Omar can survive on it, which seems like a big letdown. 6) No skills system just as you mentioned. 7) Levels are a bit small. I even found the 5th hidden ending a little disappointing too as they just reused the nightclub instead of making a new level that felt worth finding out.

[@vrapbrap]

You give a good reminder that sometimes we all enjoy a good old mediocre game. Sometimes I've enjoyed some really horrible ones because they went to the "it's so bad it's good" Territory. Games like enemy front. Most games at least do something right to keep me playing them. This game however I can never forgive for being average or slightly below it. This holds a special place in my heart as the first game that felt like a betrayal. The first game that taught me that sometimes, money and creativity do not find a good compromise. Games are a business, but it's at it best when the developers and the publishers find some common ground. This felt like a mess on all sides and the end result should have been just cancelled.

[@nerodelacroix9281]

Can't wait to hear you opinions on Resident Evil 6!

[@camillewhite1055]

great vid, you got a sub! Can you do human revolution next? I got the deluxe edition a few weeks ago on sale for $5 on xbox one x

[@glb1993]

I enjoyed this game a lot as a kid but guess I had rose tinted goggles at the time because I'd forgotten about alot of the issues this game had in it. I know I absolutely loved the first game as well when I played I on ps2 but yeah I realize now that the first was quite a lot better than invisible war. I still found it to be a fun time although no where near as much as the first game.

[@stevenyukabacera160]

Wonderful video as always. May the algorithm smile on you

[@vgiannis1]

>dismisses livelihoods being destroyed as "a few broken windows" while posing a false dilemma between vandalism and black lives "the best bad guys think they are the good guys" Still doesn't see the irony

[@saisameer8771]

This guy is basically a left wing Alex Jones who happens to review games. I watch his videos partly to laugh at those insane biased political takes.

[@Horvath_Gabor]

@@saisameer8771 You really think that? This guy is ridiculously tame. Watch a Bob Chipman video or two where he will straight up says things like how concentration camps are bad, unless it's for nazis and the alt-right (which, for him, is everyone right of the virtue-signaling SJWs), and this guy's takes are going to look cute in comparison.

[@draugnaustaunikunhymnphoo6978]

I always used a Baton for attacking. Electrical baton.

[@dannydelicious]

This was my introduction to Deus Ex and my favourite of the series.. I know it's trash but I love it

[@moonmessiah9368]

I genuinely think it could have been a good game if it wasn't trying to be a deus ex sequel

[@kacperprzysiezny3185]

About JC Plan, it was stated, that Helios would be like Living Wikipedia steering Humanity, so they would propably choose which thing is good, and which isn't. That's the biggest problem, that it would be just controlling Humanity.

[@BobExcalibur]

With every human being essentially acting as a data gathering node in a mass nano-augmented synaptic network, every human from the poorest imbecile to the wealthiest genius would be part of the Denton's described consensus. The suffering and starvation of any given human would be understood and felt as implicitly as by the human inflicting it as by the human enduring it. The issue is the death of individuality. Chris is wrong in his assertion that the Dentons just want wireless voting. Then again he misses the point on anything political.

[@crazyrabbits]

@@BobExcalibur - Basically, this. The ending is similar to ME3's "Synthesis" ending, which was criticized for similar reasons (i.e. how do you integrate biomods into every single person and have them willingly accept it? Does nobody complain? Wouldn't there be people who would go mad from the procedure, particularly the militant Order or Templars?)

[@geegee1014]

At least they gave it a proper ending. I'm looking at you mankind divided.

[@MisterAAnderson]

Not sure I understand the blank slate PC argument. JC Denton in Deus Ex 1 was also a blank slate. He was literally cloned and modified not to have any emotions. It was other characters that were cool in Deus Ex 1. After merging with Helios JC Denton is really cool. The female PC in Invisible War seems better IMHO.

[@BobExcalibur]

JC's personality allows him to be adversarial and sardonic toward every character he meets, and especially the highly opinionated ones. He can even insult an insane drug addict for threatening to blow him up with a grenade right to his face. Replay the game.

[@MisterAAnderson]

@@BobExcalibur Most of those remarks seem to be a byproduct of an accident, on the borderline of amateurish voice acting from a B rated movie. Example: killing Chad Dumier and making that funny "He was a good man *tsk* What a rotten way to die." That was not intentional, though very entertaining. Don't get me wrong. I loved both games. I'm just saying that it won't win any Oscars or anything. My guess is that J.C. Denton was supposed to sound like Neo from the Matrix or something. Paul Denton, the terrorists, Manderley, Tong and nearly everyone else has much more character, emotion, interest in what's going on around them. J.C. is made to be an emotionless killing machine. It's part of the plot too.

[@BobExcalibur]

@@MisterAAnderson You're getting the voice acting confused with the script. A character who is no more than an emotionless killing machine would not contest the nationalistic rhetoric of the bar tender in Hong Kong, or criticise the Morpheus AI for its insistence that humans place no value in freedom.

[@MisterAAnderson]

@@BobExcalibur Do you need emotions to question things?

[@BobExcalibur]

@@MisterAAnderson No, and your point initially was that JC was a "blank slate" and "emotionless". I've pointed out that he was neither of these things. This is tiresome.

[@benoakes01]

I actually loved this game and thief 3. I hadn't played the originals, but these were not poor games

[@yan-amar]

So, is the game a big project gone bad, a quick cash-in, or a big project gone into a quick cash-in ?

[@megamike15]

it suffered from being a console game sequel to a successful pc only game. so a mix of all 3?

[@mranderson380]

39:53 The few broken windows: kzbin.info/www/bejne/boayaaOmosedgZo

[@kikrinman1450]

Yeah, this dudes perspective is asinine. He should just stick to video games.

[@dennissinned6299]

Limited inventory too. It wasn't all bad once you got deeper in the story but a far cry from the original game.

[@richardellis8193]

I think it's a good game, but massively overshadowed by the mastery of the original. Well designed in the sense of the mission structure. I remember managing to work out a perfect order of accomplishing every single overlapping mission with conflicting objectives for each of the completing factions without firing a single shot. Very satisfying or at least, very effective at make me feel like I was the smartest man in the room. All what you say is certainly valid, but I still think the 'problem solving over puzzle solving' ethos of its design philosophy remained fundamentally intact, however broadly.

[@zoltanz288]

It wasnt just overshadowed by the OG, it was overshadowed by like every other game in the genre too. Like System Shock and the like. They were all better games in everything but graphics.

[@richardellis8193]

@@zoltanz288 I agree, but saying system shock is better is like saying Godfather 1 & 2 are better than 3. It's so obvious it's redundant to say. But even so, the wider point still stands. Almost every other game made since then falls way short of those early immersive sims, including the new Jensen games. Does that mean that any imperfect game made is devoid of any merit? I don't think so. IW was very ambitious and brave in some areas, even to a fault, but it still has value. I don't think it's bad on it's own terms, let alone being Godfather 3 bad. And if this isn't the case, are you not then saying that any game not as good as system shock, thief or dx are automatically bad games? Really? If so 99% of all things everywhere - art, literature, music, films, are shit because they fell short of the genius 1% apex of their respective artistic areas. Rolling Stones or the Beach Boys are not the Beatles, ergo disappointing. Bioshock? Not System Shock 2 = bad game. Skyrim? Not Morrowind = bad game. Thief: Deadly Shadows? Not Thief 2 = bad game.

[@Konski82]

I played this mess purely on the greatest of the previous Dues Ex but it completely stained the series. Thanks for this video.

[@Micke12312]

Same here. Awful experience.

[@davidriley8316]

I actually like this game. I still remember my endings, almost 20 years later. I also remember it's wonderful music. But I will say it's flawed, but it's a great game, but not amazing.

[@davidriley8316]

@GiRayne It was my first, too. Although I quite like Adam Jensen's adventures for what they are. But music and tone, IW is my favorite. Even the black market was cool. Although my favorite will always be the "you can kill everyone ending." I actually think it being shorter is good, cause you can see the different endings. Instead of 60 hours where the ending you get is your ending.

[@davidriley8316]

@GiRayne I remember trying Morrowind, but I could never get into it. I do like things streamlined, which is not the same as dumbed down. You could say my first RPG was KOTOR, but I liked IW because Alex was actual person. We take for granted now, but I do think I play games for different reasons than a lot of KZbinrs. I play for story first, and only enjoy difficult modes every so often. I have no shame on playing on easy. The only type of game I like to be a hit harder is Ghost Recon.

[@stevenyukabacera160]

I feel like Invisible War would've gotten a much warmer reception if it was just a random cyberpunk FPS without ties to a larger franchise - it was never going to live up to the legacy of Deus Ex

[@geegee1014]

Does anyone else remember betting on fights between those green mutant chicken things?

[@davidriley8316]

@@geegee1014 Yes, I do. You could rigged it and it was a nice way to get some easy early money for that nice black market bloke down the street.

[@Faoulon]

algorithm comment, hyped to watch it!

[@SiManRevolution]

Can't wait for the Mankind Divided video, I keep bouncing off that game and I can't tell why it doesn't engage me at all.

[@raresmacovei8382]

I was vastly more engaged by Mankind Divided than Human Revolution personally. I felt more freedom in MD in the levels and choices. HR felt like a linear game to me with a conversation here and there

[@Texelion]

Same, I started 3 times already and find it boring after a few hours. Dunno why, I liked HR and the first Deus Ex is one of the best game ever, even if I never took the time to finish it.

[@BobExcalibur]

Mankind Divided, where the plot and world building make no sense, and the dominant strategy is to break into every house in the game and rob the occupants blind, thus completely justifying the anti-aug prejudice that the game is meant to be about opposing.

[@megamike15]

his human revolution review :" this black woman shows up and i'm sure the manbabies in the comments would have shot her on sight given the chance."

[@dongvermine]

Great video! Love the coverage

[@tequilawhiskey]

Even aa my first DX i knew it couldnt have been living up to the hype.

[@SmittyDealio]

My uncle had a homosexual relationship with Guillermo Del Toro's father

[@DaboooogA]

I actually love the visual style of this game

[@YourOwnDa]

this is the first deus ex game i ever played as a kid lmao

[@castrochris94]

Great video from an extremely handsome sounding man

[@caleg2256]

Deus Ex: Invisible War is one of my favorite games. I still have an OG Xbox just so I can play it. It’s so disappointing that no one else likes it. I would love a remaster. I tried to play the first game but the graphics were so bad that I couldn’t get into it.

[@caleg2256]

@Lassi Kinnunen I have had back luck trying to run pc games in the past. Invisible War repeatedly got stuck while starting from Steam. Eventually my laptop refused to even open it. Paired with the lack of controller support, I’m unmotivated to play it on pc.

[@Ashkimbo]

the only guy on the planet that has ever said this

[@caleg2256]

@Bionic Man at this point I’ve grown use to having unpopular opinions. Halo 4 is one of my favorite Halos and I enjoyed Mass Effect Andromeda.

[@marbl3d45]

@@caleg2256 you must be fun at parties

[@DanMcLeodNeptuneUK]

"Some people are more worried about broken windows than black people" - fuckin' 'A'