"The Secret Behind Elite Group Rides REVEALED!"

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Pace-lines, Chain Gangs, Drop Rides, Chop Offs, Training Races... call them what you want but they are the lifeblood of road cycling ... oh and they are damn good fun.
So let's jump inside a Sydney version and see if we can spot any unwritten rules that might help have a more enjoyable session ... you never know, you might even make a few friends.
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[@gvs7630]

‘I am desperate to get back to his wheel for absolutely no particular reason’ - this is why clandestine paceline is so fun, anyone can lay down the gauntlet at any point and everyone with the legs to grab it will kick for it. Our Saturday morning paceline goes 4x around a 7k loop that has two really short but punchy ramps so the attacks always fly

[@DomH1994]

From the perspective of a Perth cyclist it's weird that pacelines/rolling could be considered novel in any way. Pretty much every ride above an intermediate level the group rolls turns albeit a lot neater and less surgy than this.

[@danielgentili1320]

Domenic not sure who you ride with in Perth, but I find that unless you are in the top third of the group ride it is choppy and churning the whole time. People over estimate their ability.

[@DomH1994]

@@danielgentili1320 Some of the weekend warrior groups aren't crash hot but I find the faster and stronger the group the smoother it is for sure (faster SPR, PCITP and Swans groups are usually pretty good) . Unless its a Papas dick swinging showdown which you can get on occasion.

[@robertlight2370]

I’ve done pretty basic group rides here in Brisbane where the group has competently settled into a rolling paceline. I’ve also done handicap races where we’ve had to coach guys in what to do because they didn’t have a clue.

[@Requiredfields2]

I think that's why he calls it an "elite" bunch ride. He's describing a hammerfest style of paceline that's half ride, half race. So, it's all fair. Riders attack, sandbag, whatever, all part of the fun. Don't think of it as no-drop group ride. It's controlled chaos. As far as I'm concerned, everything is acceptable as long as it's legal and doesn't endanger others.

[@marianocohen14]

Here in Argentina, we do some pacelining on wednesdays, but it´s on a stretch of road (around 25 kms long) and there is a defined finish line, so at one point it turns into a bit of a race simulation, where attacks come from everywhere .Basically the one rule is there are no rules, except keeping it safe, so no swerving, no guttering on the wrong side of the road and stuff like that.

[@GeneVilleneuve]

That road is sketchy with moving cars, pedestrians and slower cyclists. 😱 but good chatting about pace-lines and echelons.

[@diccram]

Very good video Chris and extremely informative. Awesome work. It's not a race it's a paceline with etiquette and informative information. This will help me out a lot this coming summer. Thank you.

[@andrewhickie1400]

Great clip chris - quality bit of filming, editing and commentary, thank you

[@matchinu]

Here I was thinking where I lived was bad.. but this makes me feel lucky. Up in Darwin Tuesday or Thursday morning we have the Hour of Power. We generally grade ourselves with the higher grades leaving first if you think you can hang on do so, if not the next group will catch you when you drop off and so on. The roads here are wide enough to accommodate us safely and generally just ride single file doing as hard a turn as we can without blowing up. No one attacks per se. Just a sprint at the end. You lead everyone else out if you happen to be unlucky enough to be on the front at the end. Better than doing laps in the park like that imo. If you drop the wheel in front of you then it's the same as down there. Definitely got to keep your ego in check and try not to drop people who have just done their turn by accelerating tol quickly when you get on the front.

[@danielgentili1320]

Keep hearing about the hour of power. Never get to Darwin at the right time. Dave Dann keeps telling to get into it… I think the heat and humidity will kill me…

[@bleigh6562]

Thanks it reminded me of a great group ride and a lot of old friends. If everyone is having fun it's all good.

[@jackofharts94]

Must be a lot of dentists in Sydney with all those Cervelos

[@mitchlabrador]

Love these. More of them please 👍👍

[@outdoor75]

Nice to watch centennial, brought back great cycling memories, countless laps on many different road bikes there in the late 80s to late 90s. Looks like the days of the early 90s when huge A grade bunches are gone. Rules rules rules. Moved to Taiwan many years ago now and the riding is amazing here!

[@onenotesolo256]

Love this, and your commentary is great. I like the fact that you deliberately pivoted the discussion away from, “These are the RULES THAT YOU MUST FOLLOW IF YOU WANT TO RIDE WITH THE BIG BOYS” to “You can do what you want, just don’t expect to be the most popular dude in the park if you do [x, y, z]”. I’m sure it differs per country as well, this social-based etiquette. Between this stuff and the show with Jesse, your channel is crushing it.

[@johnblogs5732]

Top stuff, great insights, can learn a lot from your experience and know how

[@nationsnumber1chump]

its always that way at our Wednesday night worlds training race, but it is for training so the cat 2 and 3's are always trying to drop everybody and usually works because 1 or 2 of them are way stronger than everybody else. In the other group rides, we ride together and have a set route around a lake where we go hard (mostly the younger guys) and just re-meet at the store that way everybody can ride back together or go farther if they need more of a workout. our numbers are limited around here so we make do with what we got. recently i've stopped going to group rides cause I never get enough workout and its always the older guys showing up so its slower and my time is valuable. i don't want to go slower and finish in the dark when i can go a little harder and have time to do things while the sunlight is out after work.

[@SamuelBlackMetalRider]

We’ve got 2 exact same Paceline/Fast Pack loops in PARIS! We actually have the most cycled segment in the world with the LONGCHAMP ring of 3,5km! (According to Strava) there are 4 sessions every week, Tue & Thu evenings and Sat & Sun mornings. Ours last for 2 hours. The FAST PACK rides at 46-48km/h in Summer.

[@bossthefluff]

Easy. Move slightly to the side. Keep line position but off to the side. Signal to close the gap. Hand down slightly waving it forward. Then accelerate gently to about half bike overlap or better & then move just a smidgeon more to the side before slowing down. Now you’ve carried the guy behind you into the slip of the line without a gap to bridge. This move is surefire to make friends & I’ve received many thanx doing this when riding as a guest. Sometimes as a guest I’m hesitant to ride on the front and do this at 4th wheel on every rotation to make sure I don’t keep a pace that’s too fast or slow for what they’ve planned. More than once I misjudged and thought it was a “spirited ride” and found myself unwittingly riding off the front and when I waved my elbow for relief and looked back there were no riders to be seen.

[@TriathlonDan]

Wicked video Chris! We have our chaingang on a Friday "Fast Friday, so any questionable behaviour is easily justified with "well it's fast friday" :D

[@57ebartley]

Oh ya! I love this stuff. Im 66 and just retired last year. back to road riding after 10 years off. I still love it. Im just finding out about Strava segments and just ordered a Wahoo so I know when they come up. I only get PR’S By accident.

[@ianboltron]

Love this kind of content!

[@jamessound]

If you're going to drop the wheel in the middle of a paceline then you should first pull all the way past the wheel of the rider in front (either left or right of his hips) then flick the elbow and pull off.

[@mrm95]

If the wind is coming from the left shouldn't the rider on the front be on the far left so those moving up are sheltered while those dropping back who are off the power are doing the sheltering? Basically the exact opposite of what you were saying. 🤷‍♂

[@ridley8340]

Yes

[@RimBrakeKing]

Great video with good advice but in reality, the chop has a toxic reputation for treating everyone poorly unless you’re in the coluzzi clique. Regularly see newcomers (with ability) abused by the blokes up the front. Super unwelcoming group of people and is giving the Sydney cycling scene a bad image. Watch the cycling tattooist video when he visited Sydney…

[@unclespliff_productions]

that's kinda anywhere where fast group rides exist, until you either give it right back or show them you're not messing around, the same nonsense will always occur....again, my .02 and experience

[@wolf.himmler]

European cyclist here: I literally did a full loop around Centennial Park parallel to the paceline on a rented endurance road bike when riding the chop for the first time, because people wouldn't let me slot in because they "didn't know me". Which was quite frustrating as the only guy really riding safe and smooth was Chris's and Jesse's teammate, who's name I forgot (yikes!) who invited me to join that day after I had matched his intervals in centennial park two days beforehand :D. How much of a proof for my capabilities as a cyclist does one need in a city with 5 mil inhabitants?

[@chrisjie2127]

My guess is for every capable person there's 10 idiots who are putting people at risk or have bad etiquette. I guess that sucks for the one capable person but you can understand why they are defensive.

[@wolf.himmler]

@@chrisjie2127 I sort of get that, however, as someone racing here, I also know how to force a wheel if I am stronger that the guy on it. I guess, most of the guys around here do. If they had encountered someone more reckless with that attitude, he'd probably just made those people crash on his back wheel by forcing his way into the rotation.

[@stevevarga8621]

Wow, to me what’s questionable is where you’re riding. Going full throttle in an area with such traffic, parked cars, slow moving cyclists and pedestrians is pretty dangerous. The traffic and speed differentials out there are huge. You’ve got to have some accidents happening on occasion. We have group rides like that too but we wait until we’re in the country side on quiet roads. We don’t do it within a city. No problems with the police? They don’t mind? No citizens complaining?

[@tyler5246]

looks like a park loop, so not a ton of through traffic

[@elee3273]

In western psrt of Sydney here. Paceline I follow is a lot more mellow but still fast. We do attack but it would be either in the last few kms or last lap before finishing the ride. You will know when someone from the rear starts sprinting. Pretty fun and hard to keep up. The worst part is when some cyclist joins the paceline but have no idea what to do and disrupts the paceline so its best for them to sit at the rear until they understand the etiquette.

[@Mikeatcitycycle]

Great summation that applies worldwide, and with a great variation of rider ages/generations. To drive home your first point even more than you already have..........do not sit 2-10th wheel if you do not have the fitness or craft to not lose the wheel in front. There is no situation where you should be there. Ride mid-pack or even the rear if you have any reason to believe you may not be able to hold a wheel.

[@hotclubsrq]

Regarding wind direction, Earlier you say that "as that rider moves across" (3:20) assuming the lead rider pulls off into the wind and paceline "rolls through" on the right. We have ton's of wind here in FL and was told by a former pro that you should always pull off into the wind which naturally protects the paceline riders a bit as they roll through on the protected side. Your comments at 4:00 seem to contradict that? The gutter from my perspective would be exactly where he was riding if indeed the wind was coming from red shirt guys left? Is it possible that the wind was actually coming from his right side? That would make more sense. Love your videos, keep up the great work!

[@mikewikstrom3416]

Agree. You are supposed to pull off into the wind. I’m wondering if Chris just had the wind direction wrong there.

[@ridley8340]

Yep, the paceline should be moving up protected from the wind by the riders who have pulled off, at least I have never know it any other way.

[@savagepro9060]

8:54 thanks for the shoutout!

[@bikenliftdad9983]

Our local panelines always have specific strava segments we will smash, then regroup and paceline after the segment ends

[@RichieStanaway]

Love the skin suits and seat post race numbers for a bunch ride

[@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed]

At the park it's game on at all times ha ha ha it's more of a race than a group ride. On a real group ride traveling through the country, road signs and making turns I think it's best to keep it at a more chill pace with a few digs here and there on the straight away. Nice to see you having fun.

[@lilth501]

That look like a bit of fun around Centennial with some the regular fellas.

[@brizziefritz4794]

At 4:08 you give the wrong advice. The wind is coming from the left, so the guy in the gutter was positioned correctly. You telling him to move right was a mistake on your part. He gave everyone shelter from the wind as they would all sit on the right hand side of the wheel in front of them. This also allowed for safely dropping back after his turn.

[@aymtb]

He needed to move over so Chris could roll through left to right with wind on the left as the video evidences.

[@BevandEdMusic]

@@aymtb The way we always do it is that you move up on the non wind side, that way you save energy for when you're on the front, then being in the wind doesn't matter because you're drifting back then anyway.

[@aymtb]

I believe your describing and echelon and yes that is correct. This at the time appears to have been a single file pace line. How would you describe Chris’s comment in your context?

[@KO47893]

I really like the look of your telemetry overlay. What software do you use?

[@rodforney7184]

Great content Chris, think pace-line might be over used in your presentation, seems more like your title - elite bunch ride to me than what some may call a pace-line. Sure there is some pace-line happening here, but mostly its a lot of flexing going on. Also why its okay to do something a little douche to your training partners 1. if its in good fun, 2. you know each other, because 3. the goal is to make it difficult/get a workout in. The rules mostly apply to the new riders that seem to be in the way or not paying attention to wind, Although I have been known to gutter everyone while picking up the pace just for giggles, which usually resulted in an attack directly after my pull.

[@wendysuperfan1014]

Thanks Chris. Interesting.

[@OVOCNYCHECK]

It seems hard to make Chris your friend if you are not on your best behaviour

[@MaximilianSterlingTv]

Such a good video and that low heart rate is so damn envious

[@ChrisMillerCycling]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@haaamey]

Love a bit of CP

[@shawnsmith7009]

Chris, where did get the gauges from?

[@stevem3797]

at those speeds, in that park, a serious mashup looks inevitable... what has been the damage (or near misses) so far?

[@raanyroad9110]

Cool video. Are you able to display speed? I think it’s acceptable to let the wheel go if someone surges, especially if it’s a drop ride or they are riding faster than the typical/posted speed for the ride. Sometimes riders pull at whatever speed they want instead of the typical/posted speed for the pace line. I’m not a fast rider, so I need/do best when the pace line has a lot of structure/consistent speed.

[@petermorris3060]

No speed shown as CP has a 30km/h speed limit. Let's assume they were travelling below that

[@J_MARAu]

How much money is that Cervello bike the black and white, here in AUS?

[@pano360]

Nice park, smooth tarmac, bluebird skies! What is all the talk about an "unsanctioned paceline"? Do you need an organizer, license, street closure, motorcade cops and event insurance to ride together serendipitously? 🤣

[@geoffnash2609]

It's Centennial Park in Sydney. 30kph speed limit. The ride is known locally as "the chop". It does cause problems with other park users because of the speed of the group.

[@zeuszuki6698]

Note; Zero friends were made in Centennial Park this day 🙄 I like the content but come on mate, there's a time and place ..... cycling gets a bad enough rap already in the public eye 😒

[@wayne_b9311]

Yeah looking at the level of chopping the social riders with some close passes and under cutting cars, you’d think “how can we look like bigger douches?” And this video is a great representation of it. 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@IMAPUGFAN205]

What’s the velominati rules on wearing race numbers to a group ride? 😅🤨

[@stephenmorris6202]

Actually, found it fascinating and useful.

[@onetwo352]

whats with all the S5's and SL7's??

[@jamesrandles4725]

Is this a random group or an organised group ride? Attacking a group ride other than to crest a climb would be strange AF! Pull hard turns and keep the pace high, but work together, that’s when it’s most enjoyable!

[@SamuelBlackMetalRider]

We have the same issues in our Parisian Fast Packs, some blokes ATTACKING rather than taking proper turns at the adequate pace. These attacks potentially destroy the Fast Pack as some will drop. Unless you let the moron do his thing all alone! Let him go & catch him 500m later

[@SH-mu9qm]

It's a sort of half race / half group ride - hence the surging.

[@ryanspivey2453]

TBH this seems like a wildly dysfunctional group. Maybe worth clarifying that this is a lot of how not to do a well-oiled pace line. A ton of massive digs with guys wildly accelerating harder rather than longer. Also when you mentioned the wind direction change now coming from the left, shouldn’t your group be pulling off into the wind, allowing the riders dropping back to eat the wind while the riders moving forward on the protected right hand side get the better draft? This seems like a brilliant video on how to make others work harder in a pace line where you want to pretend to still be working together but really just want to tire their legs out for the finish to come. Perhaps a video on productive and cohesive pace line habits vs. sneaky underhanded tactics you might play when either sitting in for a teammate who’s behind or when you don’t have the bigger sprint? This one seems like the latter.

[@reflectionsdetail]

He did flick his left elbow just before he pulled off. I would venture to say you needed to watch up a few rider anyhow. Of course he could have telegraphed his intentions more. I see you pull off into the wind, I've been with groups that like to pull off into the draft. I'm sure their is a scientific reasoning that would indicate a faster paceline if you did one or the other. Our rule is don't attack the paceline if the line is conhesive and working well, save the attacks for the last 3km if you have a gap. We also don't like it when someone surges on the front. A fast paceline is a smooth line, the second position from the front should HOLD the pace, and move over when the natural gap of the falling line opens up. If the person on the front wants to lift the pace then do it over a long period of time while on the front, then pull off.

[@leedorney]

I used to ride these in my locality for years and they are beautiful to ride, but the idea is to give more than you take. Don't be selfish...think of your man/group and it'll be one of the best experiences of your life.. 👌😎

[@Omnis2]

4:54 Man, that was too close for my level of comfort. At what point does "slotting in" become chopping the wheel?

[@MrBusunglueck]

4:00 is wrong isnt it? He should swing of left if the wind is coming from the left.

[@apit_zixxer]

@0:46 180-190w at 102bpm? Sheessh The moment I clip in my pedals, I'm already at 12+bpm 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@SuperYobo]

110 bpm just to balance :P

[@user-yn5sk5ru5g]

Paceline or drop ride?

[@jasonjohnson9072]

Maybe the drinking game should be every time Chris says “that’s not gonna make you too many friends” From a S5 owner😂 yes I’ve drunk the cool aid. Yes they do make you a better person.

[@Omeiden]

as a danish rider this dont seem safe. You've got a group of strong riders with their heads down in a pace line, in what looks like a public park.

[@jonathanfattori2396]

I say NOT a douche move (purple bib bloke). I hear you on folks sitting in, and waiting till the end of the ride to put in a big effort, but I’d like to think there is some empathy in these sorts of rides for people trying to level up, and perhaps that was the only way he could input a big effort for the day - we don’t know, but to me the smile says, maybe I’m not able to contribute (at a high level) throughout the ride like others, but I’d #1 like to have some fun and #2 this is the fullest extent of my contribution, without blowing up before the finish. If I were the strongest, or one of the strongest guys in the group, I wouldn’t give two shits about a last minute attack out of nowhere, and I would want everyone to feel like they can give it something when they feel comfortable to do so. Obviously, if you’re way out of your league, there are Bs and Cs you can ride with…

[@jesselove6989]

Cool video

[@ahmu.k6282]

loved the graphics. if you can, would've loved the speed as well.

[@robt8042]

That would be incriminating yourself.

[@ahmu.k6282]

@@robt8042 hahhaha

[@daviddjerassi]

First im crazy about your weather and roads coming from Ireland enough said we encourage younger riders to join in as and when they can yes they can potentially cause a problem however we ride along side give advice and it seems to work 90% + of the time looking back that's how we all started as smart ass kids going to show these old guys how its done now .😊

[@DanTuber]

Is it safe (and legal) to be racing around that park like that? I see lots of walkers crossing the road, not to mention the casual cyclists and cars. Bit sketchy IMHO.

[@carloscastro8390]

It's sketchy as and illegal, they are doing 45kph average where the limit is 30kph (which is why hes not showing speed). Chris is a great guy but when they get together like this and ride this fast, they make it less enjoyable (and safe) for the rest of us Centennial Park users!

[@DanTuber]

@@carloscastro8390 I was wondering why speed wasn't listed. Cheers!

[@andrewdeck7945]

Love the videos, please don't use that bell sound

[@adamweb]

I never realized you're the exact same weight as me... I would get dropped in the first 5 minutes with those power numbers!

[@damodamo7219]

am I mistaken but don’t you roll turns into the wind??

[@ezquiel700c]

If the wind is coming from your left the side moving up will be on the right, the sheltered side

[@damodamo7219]

@@ezquiel700c and you roll left into the wind on doing your turn

[@tilbyliddell1762]

Nope, move up on windward side, recover on leeward

[@ezquiel700c]

@@damodamo7219 The people moving up should be on the sheltered side. If you have to tackle the wind resistance from higher speed and extra from wind direction then it makes it a lot harder and more ineficient.

[@ezquiel700c]

@@tilbyliddell1762 not the fastest way as then you have to battle air resistance and extra from the wind. makes more sense if one is reduced

[@ymyk86]

I've got what pace line is. But what is "unsanctioned" pace line?

[@robertlight2370]

Not set up and supervised by a club. So there is nobody with authority to set rules, and the group has to make its own.

[@dsonyay]

No issues except (maybe ) very first rider you talked a out coulda gave you a quick wave. But he pulled off to the right without slowing so not too big a deal. Nothing else was a big deal. If an attacker cant handle the lead, so be it.

[@benbwaite9858]

am i correct in seeing no speed fields in all those data overlays?

[@jacklalalaful]

This means they were "speeding" when you don't see it in vids. You don't want to give the Sydney Karen's proof

[@czeckson74]

St. Denniels Park looks like a dangerous place for Pedestrians or Rollerbladers ;-)

[@robt8042]

Centennial Park

[@czeckson74]

@@robt8042 OK, whatever

[@Carftymk]

why cover the speed gauge? :(

[@footballjamiemack]

You can't keep everyone happy. Only the strong survive. Chop or be chopped!

[@pakelly99]

that bell is for some reason redolent in many ways of waynos fotos

[@uzi17]

where does it show the speed?

[@frhill1504]

I think that has been intentionally omitted

[@davidnicholson6680]

Hilariously recognizable willy-waving, surge-tastic, Accordian City shenanigans aplenty here. People who have been sitting in all day attacking at the end. The guy in blue sending it for ten seconds and then completely blowing up. People who have no business being in the group gapping wheels with no warning. Wild surging as people send it up the sides. I've definitely seen all of this before, it's classic group behavior. We do two attacking drop rides a week in season and all of this is fairly typical. Dropping the wheel halfway down the line will earn you some jeers as will allowing too big a speed differential while falling back.

[@OliverCrowhurst]

good video, would just like to point out that kph isn't visible anywhere

[@RimBrakeKing]

He didn’t include it on purpose. Centennial park has a 30kph speed limit and many people trying to shut down rides like this.

[@OliverCrowhurst]

@@RimBrakeKing oh that's unfortunate

[@bitminerbob6731]

Nice transitions but damn that "metropolitan furniture" looks a bit dodgy!!

[@adambuttenshaw]

Diff perspective - but surely there’s too many unknown rules bro! Surely if old mate rolls an 800W turn and blows up he’s done! If you’re good enough, close the gap and keep rolling. Old mate might have had a blast for his 20 mins 😄🤣. On a ride like this (it ain’t a pace line), surely it’s Belgian rules….? Ie. There aren’t any and it’s survive if ya can.

[@davehogan6401]

@05:51 a Glory pull!

[@MS-bw7yt]

Maybe it's because I am from Germany, but I would feel safer going +250 km/h on the Autobahn than doing a fast pace line on this road. Seems very sketchy with the mix of cars, pedestrian and slower cyclist. Can't imagine road cyclist are making many friends in general there doing +40 in a 30 zone

[@robt8042]

I'm guessing they are doing at least 50km/h around most of that loop.

[@spencer1803]

why does he cover the speed?

[@eduardootje]

Strange video. Seems like a way to busy area to go full blast here? Surely there's some roads with way less pedestrians etc to go fast? Not really a great way to improve the already crappy public image of cyclist not giving a flying **** about other road users. Also; the last guy that attacked the group that was pacelining... Why even bother chasing him as he's not part of your groupride anyway?

[@pisto777shamgod3]

Sorry, but your sounding more like Durian here!

[@Jarek.]

Awesome 👍 And probably illegal 🤣

[@craiggruber3024]

Think I spotted more egos' than cervelos'

[@marxcanlas2845]

Why no speed data 😭

[@sds1605]

Trek isn't dead 😂

[@TheCyclingCardio]

Sorry but this bunch ride is a total mess 😂

[@BevandEdMusic]

So it's alright for you and others to attack off the front and disrupt the rhythm for no reason, forcing others to close pointless gaps, but the second someone else struggles to hold the wheel 'you won't make many friends' - got it!

[@andrewdeck7945]

You missed the point

[@SCWgreg]

Man you guys are all over the place. Of course you’re riding through urban environment with as you say “metro furniture” to avoid. We have country roads with much less obstacles. A recent pace line of 7, we’ll each spend about 1/4 to 1/2 mile pulling before dropping back. Each person making an effort to pull equally. It’s really quite the machine.

[@christoerasmus7994]

There is nothing more frustrating than people sitting in a group ride, hiding at the back and never taking a turn, then close to the end when the majority is tired they scoot around and demolish what is left. Suddenly you find that group ride invites fade to those guys.

[@Ponder_lust]

I think you are just being a little sensitive . I don't really care if someone drops the wheel with no warning, Id just close the gap if I can and if I can't it just means Im too weak. If someone wants to conserve his tank till the final sprint so be it, I either make it work by attacking earlier or have a bigger sprint than him. Its all fun and games. If it was a real race, and you wanted to win then it would be in your best interest to pull as little as possible anyway. All these impromptu fast rides are good practice for that imo

[@MikeStarr1000]

Paceline rides can become aggravating w/o a coach, or team dictating the goal. If it's just a bunch of random dudes, then may as well have a start and finish line and let the guys race it out

[@dominikjukic8725]

if it's a chop. once the first attack goes, that's it, no rules except one, keep it safe.

[@user-yn5sk5ru5g]

Argh. This looks so unsafe. And i live in the netherlands, so used to trafic. Also, how low is your heartrate for those power numbers 🤷

[@chadat23]

If someone who's done their share of the work attacks then you go after them, but if some rando wants to take a flyer, you let them, and you probably laugh as they completely blown up, likely never to be seen again.

[@SR-fm1ft]

Half wheel, attack constantly for ego points, never fenders when wet, don’t pull through. All is forgiven if you buy everyone a good coffee before and or after.

[@maxxyhobson]

It’s your time to get an S5

[@andrewgordon6179]

Yes, but you have to go hard for at least 6min with no help and try to stay away from bunch to the end

[@ratbones86]

It’s laughable that people watching this believe the intent is some sort of cohesive group training ride. The chop is very specifically a place to meet after work and try to survive / grind your fellow attendees into dust.

[@adammillsindustries.]

On our group we have a strong guy who’s always shouting don’t pull too hard. Then on his turn pulls hard to drop the weaker riders. Hypocrites on the pace line totally suck. Then same guy orders you to let dropped people slot back into their original placement of order. So a few idiots pull too hard then we end up slowing down to wait up for people. A lot of total shit shows.