Kawasaki Ninja 1000SX VS Suzuki GSXS 1000 Dyno Battle

[@6tdegrees]

Having ridden both the gsxs1000 and the ninja 1000sx (both tuned).. hands down the ninja is a better setup and better overall performer. Yeah the gsxs1000 has a little more peak power up top BUT you need to look at the over all picture. The ninja has more torque and horsepower from the start of its rev range to its peak power. Having dragged both bikes the ninja takes off quicker and maintains a good position. At top end theres really not that much difference as they both perform well. Also for the mountain riders out their, the ninja is far superior, better brake feel, torquier and much better suspension especially going over bumpy surface. Im not saying the gsxs1000 is rubbish but in comparison ninja is more refined. Peak power isnt everything, its how its delivered

[@6tdegrees]

Also managed 141hp on the ninja 1000sx full arrow exhaust system and dna airfilter

[@ehiggins7476]

Great observation, how much time do we spend at top HP and RPM?. Most of us ride in that sweet spot around 4-9K rpm where all that power is manageable.

[@clayharrison8889]

I just got a ninja1000sx 2024 model and I love it

[@davidmandell9909]

Chris, your work and knowledge is impeccable. My 1000sx after this tune is, well shall we say, a game changer. Thank you!!

[@ehiggins7476]

I have a 2022 N1K SX, how did the tune change the performance of the bike specifically. The hp gain isn't very big. I'm interested to hear how the decel mod works on your bike, mine has a noticeable jerk on deceleration. All and all I really like the way my Ninja delivers power on the road, very manageable for how I use it (lots of commuting and weekend 2-300 mile rides). Anyways I was debating whether or not the tune was worth it for how I ride. Cheers

[@davidmandell9909]

@@ehiggins7476 The tune completely changed the character of the revs and power. Power happens everywhere vs at high rpm the power fell off a cliff. No more, you get power all the way to redline. The bike just simply has better power delivery all through the rev range. Hard to describe but wonderful….

[@jayjay5586]

Besides removing the o2 sensor do you have to do anything else to the bike after installing the flashed ECU?

[@everythingmotorcyclesevery3376]

​@@jayjay5586likely clear codes or maybe just ride it to get them to go away

[@ninji5226]

This will be my next bike and im prop going to get it tuned. Have you had any issues since?

[@poppat4403]

The type of exhaust systems has alot to do with the power curves and where their making their power. Both are great bikes and make plenty of street power. Most people want utilize power of either. The GSX-S1000 is quite a bit lighter (better power to weight ratio). It's really according to what your type riding you do as to which bike works better for you. I have ridden the GSX-S1000 in the mountains. It handled unbelievably well and can't imagine needing or using anymore power on the road. I was riding with my friends we all been riding Supersport for 20 plus years. Each of us took our turn on my buddies new 2022 GSX-S1000 and where quite impressed in the twisties. For me it be the GSX-S1000 for my aggressive riding style. I loved the straight up sitting position. After all day with it I got used to the looks. It actually looks awesome from the side view. I believe I'm going sale my gsxr 750. My aging body fell in love with the comfort losing very little in handling departments in the twisties.

[@JRDNGIXX]

Yup the same exact reason why I bought one of these. ECU's off the bike as we speak and getting ready to ship it to Chris. Bike was already a beast can't wait to see what its going to do with the mods I've done and this flash 🤞 Get it you won't regret it!

[@jeremiahbruce2961]

2023 gsxs1000 best bike I've ridden ever.. need to get Ecu flashed soon !

[@bruceesterline3170]

Thank you Moore Mafia for all you do for your fan's it is appreciated.

[@powamoto]

Chris congratulations on the 100k subscribers You Deserve it 👊✌🚀🤟😇☝🙏🤘😎👉

[@ZacSquatch]

Agreed 🍻🍻🍻

[@lanceb3547]

To answer your question, I rode the GSXS 1000 before buying the N1K, and the Kawasaki feels faster in everyday riding. The fatter torque curve makes shifting to pass optional, and ridden in isolation I do not feel like the N1K is lacking much on the top end, but I'm shifting at 10k during a hard pull. I did not take the GSXS to redline, but the relative weakness down low was enough that my test ride was over 5 minutes in. N1K all the way. Also, the N1K is seriously more comfortable for my 6'1" 230lb self.

[@rm25088]

Can't complain about the price of the GSX though.

[@CC-xu2yz]

@@rm25088 They all have enough motor. My 2001 FZ1 has enough motor. Improving the Suzuki's drivability is more important than power.

[@yomamaa13]

The GSX all day. I don't regret buying the S1000 and I did ride the Kawi, which was super boring, especially that handicapped top-end. Feels more restricted. Power wise, it feels like a much smaller displacement bike. The GSXS mid and top end power are amazing. Sounds and looks much better too. ;)

[@mozeby1975]

Super helpful feedback. We’re literally the same size and being comfortable is right at the top of my priorities.

[@thadiuswilliams3410]

Thanks for supplying us with awesome content😎

[@KXLIFEFL]

Congrats on the 100K. I’ll take the Ninja 1000 SX. Seems more useable out on the real world. Great bikes either way. Love your videos. Definitely will send my ECU once I get my bike.

[@ericshaffer7112]

M4 sounds awesome!!! I am looking to buy a GSXS

[@JRDNGIXX]

Chris thank you so much for this my friend. You listened to your audience asking over and over about another '22 gsxs tune video and you delivered. Hats off to you good sir!

[@phase3ute]

Ikoiooo. 😅 is. Ok ok kn👌 op khas n ✅ o

[@frankzamperini]

I cannot wait to decide on one of these 2 machines and set an appointment with you. Take a nice ride from VA to your shop.

[@alexandermcdole8464]

I like the top end HP

[@SlingKing2015]

Subscribed..... Full disclosure, I already own a Ninja 1000 and a Z900. I like the Suzuki for what it is but I just can't get behind the looks even if it does have more top end. That headlight and display/turn signals just kill it for me. Looks like I need to send my ECU's in for a tune though at some point. Congrats on the growth of the channel.

[@skywatch4639]

If you like the Suzuki, there's also the Gsx-s1000gt with fairing and different (better?) looks.

[@Texas_Cuh]

Thanks for the video Chris! Made my day man! Much love brother

[@jamesbrutsche202]

Chris, I love watching what you can do with these bikes. I would much prefer the Suzuki. You are a wizard. Congratulations on your 100k subscribers 👏. Take care.

[@electroevolution5777]

Can you do a video explaining how you flash ecu's off the bike? Congrats on 100k man! its been exciting being subscribed to you!

[@nickrider5220]

Suzuki have tuned their 999cc engine for a more spirited ride and Kawasaki have tuned their 1043cc engine for sport touring and 2 up stuff - two nicely developed engines, I like a spirited ride......so Suzuki for me, in the black and with an Akra system (carbon can) !!!

[@blakepullen6982]

Would have been cool to have my GSXS 1000 GT to battle with that 1000 SX!

[@jamesaquino9341]

Chris, Congratulations on 100k !!!! On these bikes I preferred the Zuke. Better sound and better top end although I would not purchase either bike. Just not my cup. Im still killin the game on my MooreMafia tuned bikes! 19Busa and 04ZX10r. Thanks to you Chris , I stay out front!

[@papamichailang]

another very informative video! I was searching everywhere for this one. Greetings from Greece

[@lanceb3547]

Congrats! Even better for me, you finally got a 3rd gen N1K on the dyno! My 2021 needs that tune. Will get you my ECM asap! Love your channel my friend, congrats again on your success!

[@ronniewelch7817]

101k subs yes sir Moore mafia blowing up and its about time you deserve much Moore brother 🙌 #toptuner #mooremafia

[@Stclairm1]

Gotta get my GSX-S1000GT tuned soon. Still deciding on exhaust. Don’t love the M4 slip on. Gotta get one with a low mount like the M4 though.

[@castpro3494]

Same here brother.

[@JDeezle21]

GSXS sounds so good 👍

[@mrmatt7210]

Yes, the Suzuki is down on Hp and Tq in the midrange, but how much of this is due to the choice of exhaust.

[@noelnilannyatmin4764]

Love your videos bro. I enjoy watching it. Especially Dyno videos🤩🤩👍👍👍 GSX S1000 looks gorgeous😍😍😍❤️❤️

[@harryvalentin8462]

Moore Mafia 4 the 🌎... congrats 🤝

[@georgeweeks3554]

Awesome video. Shoot out video very fun to watch. Zuk sounds great. Straight line beast, kawasaki lays down better road course lap time

[@rony3646]

I highly doubt the Kaw sport tourer is beating the Zuk on a road course. Zuk has higher HP, better brakes, less weight and a chassis and engine with a GSXR bloodline. Kaw is nice, but was purpose built with the geometry of a sport touring bike. Get real.

[@michaelcooper10]

Great job Chris, rock an roll. I am one of your biggest fans. My only problem is that I don't have a bike anymore.

[@Gassed_up93]

Congrats on the 1k!!! Well deserved. Great channel!!!

[@sleeper.simulant7327]

For my 50 mile one way commute that’s mostly highway, I’d take the bike with fairings. Especially in the shoulder months with those super brisk 20°F or 30°F mornings

[@tox5543]

I've been waiting for him to Dyno the new gsxs for a long time, since I got mine I've been dying to see how it did on the dyno

[@mattsloop2736]

For daily rides and playing on the streets I'll take the low end torque. You don't always have room to let a bike loose. Especially a litre bike. But you can always have fun from light to light with more torque.

[@donaldwiggins7740]

Both bikes have enough torque and hp for the road. Both can bring front wheel up, so honestly I think it’s purely down to aesthetic preference.

[@monkmoto1887]

I have a 2010 z1000 basically the same engine with a more aggressive intake cam and different velocity stacks and it takes really really well to tuning, it’s not as powerful as the gsxs but it actually does a lot better than the new ninja1000 on the dyno, and my bike weighs 453 lbs on a floor scale at work basically as fully fueled as it can be

[@usbsol]

There was a cut in the timelapse - what happened? 😉 Would also be interesting to see a dyno of gsxs 1000 GT 🤞

[@jorgemarques8708]

super interesting...i was waiting for this one, thank you mister moore! but i thing we have to remember that the suzuki GT (the true rival to de SX) is 10kg lighter, so, would that compensate on the streets for the lower power numbers comparing to the SX? Cheers

[@worldsnomad]

As far as I'm aware suzuki has more power than kawasaki, so there is no need to compensate for anything

[@Big_DT]

Congrats Chris on the 100k subscribers!

[@Zekenificent]

Congrats Chris 👏🏿

[@TheNovascotia1]

Great video! I would like to know how much power the 1000SX would make with the quiet insert removed? or without the Akrapovic muffler? Still love the Kawasaki for the midrange torque. I sold my Ninja for a 2022 Kawasaki KLR 650. I grew up on dirt bikes, and missed going offroad with my motorbikes. I would love to see a video of a reflashed 2022 KLR 650? I noticed a difference by just opening up the intake and a Lex slip on exhaust. You the man! and will send my ECU's to More Mafia exclusively to get reflashed.

[@YoungMulahBB]

thanks for the vid's on the gsxs1000. Currently looking for one for my next bike (first naked bike) heard great things about the smoothness and quickshifter. Coming from Honda 954rr and 929rr and R6. Deff will be sending ECU into you for a tune with either M4 or Yoshi full system.

[@leviefrauim1425]

Outside of my current FJR, the N1K & GSX1000GT are two of my favorite currently available bikes. I'd love one or the other in my garage. Both great bikes, for sure. I previously owned a modded '11 N1K and it was a fantastic bike for a solo rider, not so much 2 up, ergo the FJR in my garage now. The latter is also a fantastic bike, just 150 lbs too heavy. But for longer rides or two up? Hands down the winner. Given my druthers, I prefer lower end power so the N1K for the win but I could easily 'settle' for the GSX too! Not the M4 muffler, tho- too loud. I prefer the quietude of the OE exhaust. The M4 is obnoxious.

[@michaelcooper10]

Great job buddy keep up the good work

[@billysharp2242]

I'm a pops and crackle guy all day.. they both look good but I like the sound the Suzuki makes better.. I own a couple Kawasakis that pop too.. I love these dyno tests

[@MrLilredmachine]

The power curves on these bikes reflect the character of each when you ride them. The SX has more torque, but needs it as it's all around more doughy (214 wet vs 235 wet) and generally softer to ride. The power curve of the suzuki reflects a more focused, sharper bike, which the GSX is.

[@ehiggins7476]

Exactly. The audience for N1K is probably the weekend tourer, so guys with a pillion or loaded cases. Makes sense to have power available down low. GSX is more of sporty bike. Both awesome machines

[@Rickmac22]

Sport-TOURING = Ninja 1000SX, SPORT-Touring = GSXS 1000! Great review, great content, I’m subscribed!

[@mozeby1975]

I’m sure both are quick enough but it’s the other parts of the bike like comfort, controls, display and styling that would influence my decision more so. I could be happy with either but those other factors are more important than which one is slightly quicker.

[@centripetal25]

Suzuki S1000 has that gixxer K5 engine heritage. Detuned and revised. Probably more bulletproof than even the already reliable Kawasaki.

[@davidmandell9909]

Both engines are bulletproof.....

[@centripetal25]

@@davidmandell9909 there's always gonna be one that's better even if slightly. I put my money on track record.

[@JIMMER15]

Excellent video!! My 2021 Ninja 1000sx sounds way better with Delkevic headers+decat+GR moto end can (that Akrapovic exhaust is too quiet with the baffel in). I definitely appreciate more low down torque verses the over 10,000 rpm gains for real world riding. Both bikes a brilliant!

[@TK-cl1jm]

Any idea which would be more restricted, full Akro vs your option? I have a '22 N1K and want to do a full system and this tune. I just haven't decided on which to go with. I tour, that Zuke would be WAY too loud, but I could handle a bit more than that baffled Akro. TIA for a reply, and cheers from the frigid northeast!

[@JIMMER15]

@@TK-cl1jm I would go with a Delkevic/Black Widow/Lextek headers and then an end can with a removable baffle (most Akra end cans have a fixed baffle and almost no noise) that way you can quiet it down for long journeys or take the baffle out and wake the dead 😁😁😁

[@dsevwrh]

Love ur vids 👌👌👌 but I have a Q if I put on a full exhaust do I need a tune or can I run it annyway?

[@S1000CITY]

Top top top

[@TK-cl1jm]

Once I settle on an exhaust system, I'll be knocking on your door! For me it is a no-brainer that the Kawi numbers are superior for everywhere other than the track, perhaps, where I don't ride it. I would, however, be curious what true wet weights are of these 2 bikes, both with full aftermarket exhaust systems.

[@-22766]

Like button smashed 👊 congratulations on 100k keep up the good work!!!!

[@Calam1ty08]

hey bud what are those bar end mirrors on the suzuki? :O those are SWEET!

[@Mr09busa]

I’ll be sending you my ECU for my 2022 gsxs with full arrow exhaust… That FI light annoys me.

[@gapplebees9295]

I got a 21 ninja 1k, really like the bike! I definitely need to send you the ecu lol

[@Rickmac22]

1000sx all day!

[@chad111275]

You just answered all my questions on my 2021 Ninja 1000SX. I’m ready to send it in! Any promo code for us po folks in Louisiana? 😂 I got no mods on my bike. No real mods to get for it since it’s the SX. 😞

[@amirnazir3132]

Great job done on both bikes. 👍

[@jfarlandutube]

Congratulations on 100k!!! Great content as always. I would have one of each.

[@SOLOMOTOUK]

Hi got recommended this video I own a 2022 ninja 1000 sx touer Very impressive results I’d stick to the Kawasaki 👍😎🏍️

[@Lifeinthecountryfamilyislife]

Will a tune mess up my warranty? My 1000sx is super quiet and Id like to make it a touch louder with a exhaust but dont think a slip on is going to do it. But its literally a week old and I paid for the 5 yr warranty

[@ecc5119]

The S bend in the exhaust on the Kawa looks like it cost some power. I like the 2018 gsx1000f at 154hp.

[@jeffh278]

The kiddies are morons

[@addij3689]

I have a soft spot for the Ninja 1000, I started riding on a Ninja 650, then went with a Ninja 1000, now after 7 years of riding I am on my dream bike, a Ninja ZX10R KRT edition.

[@danielmanzano4627]

Same exact road trip here. Hated the 650 performance, vibrations, brakes, suspensions, everything, lol. Loved the 2018 Ninja1000. My 2021 zx10 is a different world after being tuned by Chris. Still miss a little the Ninja1000

[@TheBigTizzie]

M4 loves Suzuki !!

[@hdjdjfjfjdkwkwiwiidkfk3059]

Did you tune the ninja our just remove restrictions? Seems a bit down on power for a bike that is rated at 150hp.

[@amirnazir3132]

Congrats Bro. for 100k subscriber. 👍

[@woooster17]

The Suzuki sounds awesome, but so does the Kawasaki in a more subtle way.. My choice.. would be the Kawasaki, just for that extra punch on the road 👏🏼🔥

[@cmbiker]

Congratulations on 101K now!!! BTW what part number would I look up for that full M4 exhaust for the 2022 GSX-S1000?

[@castpro3494]

I am looking for this exact one as well. If you find out would you share?

[@daz13200]

More than likely the same part# as a 2020

[@daveyt4802]

Need to hop up the S GT next!

[@motorjack141]

I hope you can flash the 2022 mt10 and compare it to the previous gen.

[@gixxerboyroyluvdrumswaters9023]

Congratulations on 100k.subs.

[@robertct06]

2 things I wanted to see. Chris hit 100k and both these bikes tested together lol

[@zonta71]

I choose the gsx s1000 coming from 2x naked Rf900. Straight pipes, ex valve delete and ecu mod. Saving for the Woolwich kit for full ecu control. With standard tune, it wasn't pleasant on or off throttle. I prefer power top end and grunt low down. City riding is pleasant, it's 1000cc and light so the torque difference isn't really an issue until you start wide open pulls on dual carriageways which tends to be high revs. I need to ride a Saki again. Any offers in Yorkshire area, UK. And you can ride me Zuki

[@Sam.Eliæson]

Hi Chris, great job as always ! Don’t you think the Kawa would gain some peak power if one removes the Dbkiller ? I would love to see this as a cool pre flash/ post flash comparison: Max throttle in Fifth gear from 3000rpm to redline and measure the time gains ! That’s a pretty fun way to see real world driveability performance.

[@forrysc]

They are welded in now. I suspect you might eek another 1-2 hp peak but it's not worth it.

@@forrysc more, dB killer is a hp killer, on my bike a dB killer robs more power than oem silencer.

[@edwardwheeler5879]

What did they do to the new gsxs 1000, older ones were making 10 to 20 more hp???

[@bibhabbag1]

So the m4 is just the end can? Wonder how much more its gonna gain over the kawa with a tune for a full exhaust system like the kawa.

[@GingerMoto]

I guess this voids any warranty you have or does it just void the ecu warrenty?

[@elgar6743]

Another interesting vid !! Finessing already very healthy motors to realise all the 'locked in' potential. Both great bikes...toss a coin!

[@LarPone2012]

Any mt07 tuned video?

[@lovmyevox]

Congratulations bro 🎉 I want cruising power so I choose you kawasaki

[@graemegoode4696]

I have a 2023 Ninja 1000sx and was curious why you do not dyno in 6th gear?

[@jrbeaudoin11]

Any vids on taking the ECU out of the ninja?

[@James-jy2lg]

Looks like the front tire (s22) on the 1000sx might be mounted the wrong way. Please double check with your client, might hinder wet weather performance.

[@bobby6925]

I’d go with the ninja….would feel quicker in the pants for what most people’s riding style but if you’re drag racing maybe that gsxs top end but I prefer the harder pull but I’m sure both are insane for the average person

[@S.T.-015]

This is sooo satisfying M4 al the way

[@arielmejias8359]

What would you say is the best full exhaust available for a 2022 gsx-s1000…. Can’t seem to find many full exhausts for them yet

[@philrc1]

You never mentioned if they have any Air intake mods or filter upgrades?

[@S1000CITY]

A Gsx-S1000 2024 original 251km na rodovia não passa disso decepcionante Suzuki

[@CorvusHyperion]

Isn't the reduction in throttle opening at high rpm part of a soft limiter? I figure the factory is doing this for a reason?

[@famousj6]

What kind of air filter did the suzuki have?

[@shanecornell]

Hey Mr. Moore. I have a 2016 Ninja 1000 ABS, would you think we would see similar output gains if I went with the Akra Header and kept the stock cans? (call me lame but I really like the OEM cannon looking mufflers).

[@jeffestrada6857]

Thanks for the video. I was suprised that the Suzuki had more power on top. In general I always thought Kawasaki to have the power on top and had its power in the higher revs. How things have changed. Have you found this trend too these days? Thanks Jeff

[@MalShakur]

I was surprised too. That's the way it's always been. You typically had to downshift to find the power on a Kawi and that was the fun part!

[@MassiveBlockheadRottweiler]

Hey Chris is there any possible way you a Ricky Gadson can do another battle of brands race again ?

[@jaybavis5896]

Yes yes yes Chris 🙌. I was send your videos to family and friends ❤️ loll yes

[@graham20008]

Just brought a gsxs1000 23 model here in Australia, would I be able to send the ecu to you?

[@markwatkins6882]

Ninja,daily driver...Suzuki,weekend warrior !!!

[@markwatkins6882]

@Text👉Mooremafia👈on Telegram Thanks Man !!! Thanks for all the informative videos !!!

[@robbieproductions9504]

I've learned so much aboug fine tuning my K3 GSXR 1000 from u ' all the way from South Africa

[@steves2092]

I'd take the older version Ninja for the street, the newer is down on power and fatter. Bottom line for 2023 models the tuned Suzuki is probably better. I'll keep my 192 HP 2009 Busa though! Good Job & like you comments

[@Tony-yl1yo]

Late to this video, but I am glad I saw it. Confirms I made the right choice as I sold my 2022 GSX-S 1000 GT+ and picked up a 2024 Ninja 1000SX. Overall, the Ninja suits me much better than the Suzuki did. KQS is smoother by far, all gears. Low down grunt gives bigger smiles and just more fun to ride(as I rarely run it over 10000 rpms! No more cruise control issues which my Suzuki was plagued with. Both are great bikes no doubt, just more win columns for the Ninja imho. Great video and thanks for sharing!

[@yomamaa13]

If you like slow bikes disguised as liter bikes then the Kawi is truly for you.

[@czierwo]

Ninja 1000 over GSXS without giving it a second thought. Besides the advantage almost everywhere in the rev range, Ninja looks so much better too!