Kawasaki Ninja 1000SX VS Suzuki GSXS 1000 Dyno Battle

Both bikes have exhaust are the same CC's. But what do you think about the power level differences in the mid and high ranges?
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[@davidmandell9909]

Chris, your work and knowledge is impeccable. My 1000sx after this tune is, well shall we say, a game changer. Thank you!!

[@ehiggins7476]

I have a 2022 N1K SX, how did the tune change the performance of the bike specifically. The hp gain isn't very big. I'm interested to hear how the decel mod works on your bike, mine has a noticeable jerk on deceleration. All and all I really like the way my Ninja delivers power on the road, very manageable for how I use it (lots of commuting and weekend 2-300 mile rides). Anyways I was debating whether or not the tune was worth it for how I ride. Cheers

[@davidmandell9909]

@@ehiggins7476 The tune completely changed the character of the revs and power. Power happens everywhere vs at high rpm the power fell off a cliff. No more, you get power all the way to redline. The bike just simply has better power delivery all through the rev range. Hard to describe but wonderful….

[@jayjay5586]

Besides removing the o2 sensor do you have to do anything else to the bike after installing the flashed ECU?

[@everythingmotorcyclesevery3376]

​@@jayjay5586likely clear codes or maybe just ride it to get them to go away

[@ninji5226]

This will be my next bike and im prop going to get it tuned. Have you had any issues since?

[@6tdegrees]

Having ridden both the gsxs1000 and the ninja 1000sx (both tuned).. hands down the ninja is a better setup and better overall performer. Yeah the gsxs1000 has a little more peak power up top BUT you need to look at the over all picture. The ninja has more torque and horsepower from the start of its rev range to its peak power. Having dragged both bikes the ninja takes off quicker and maintains a good position. At top end theres really not that much difference as they both perform well. Also for the mountain riders out their, the ninja is far superior, better brake feel, torquier and much better suspension especially going over bumpy surface. Im not saying the gsxs1000 is rubbish but in comparison ninja is more refined. Peak power isnt everything, its how its delivered

[@6tdegrees]

Also managed 141hp on the ninja 1000sx full arrow exhaust system and dna airfilter

[@ehiggins7476]

Great observation, how much time do we spend at top HP and RPM?. Most of us ride in that sweet spot around 4-9K rpm where all that power is manageable.

[@powamoto]

Chris congratulations on the 100k subscribers You Deserve it 👊✌🚀🤟😇☝🙏🤘😎👉

[@ZacSquatch]

Agreed 🍻🍻🍻

[@poppat4403]

The type of exhaust systems has alot to do with the power curves and where their making their power. Both are great bikes and make plenty of street power. Most people want utilize power of either. The GSX-S1000 is quite a bit lighter (better power to weight ratio). It's really according to what your type riding you do as to which bike works better for you. I have ridden the GSX-S1000 in the mountains. It handled unbelievably well and can't imagine needing or using anymore power on the road. I was riding with my friends we all been riding Supersport for 20 plus years. Each of us took our turn on my buddies new 2022 GSX-S1000 and where quite impressed in the twisties. For me it be the GSX-S1000 for my aggressive riding style. I loved the straight up sitting position. After all day with it I got used to the looks. It actually looks awesome from the side view. I believe I'm going sale my gsxr 750. My aging body fell in love with the comfort losing very little in handling departments in the twisties.

[@JRDNGIXX]

Yup the same exact reason why I bought one of these. ECU's off the bike as we speak and getting ready to ship it to Chris. Bike was already a beast can't wait to see what its going to do with the mods I've done and this flash 🤞 Get it you won't regret it!

[@jeremiahbruce2961]

2023 gsxs1000 best bike I've ridden ever.. need to get Ecu flashed soon !

[@Texas_Cuh]

Thanks for the video Chris! Made my day man! Much love brother

[@lanceb3547]

To answer your question, I rode the GSXS 1000 before buying the N1K, and the Kawasaki feels faster in everyday riding. The fatter torque curve makes shifting to pass optional, and ridden in isolation I do not feel like the N1K is lacking much on the top end, but I'm shifting at 10k during a hard pull. I did not take the GSXS to redline, but the relative weakness down low was enough that my test ride was over 5 minutes in. N1K all the way. Also, the N1K is seriously more comfortable for my 6'1" 230lb self.

[@rm25088]

Can't complain about the price of the GSX though.

[@CC-xu2yz]

@@rm25088 They all have enough motor. My 2001 FZ1 has enough motor. Improving the Suzuki's drivability is more important than power.

[@yomamaa13]

The GSX all day. I don't regret buying the S1000 and I did ride the Kawi, which was super boring, especially that handicapped top-end. Feels more restricted. Power wise, it feels like a much smaller displacement bike. The GSXS mid and top end power are amazing. Sounds and looks much better too. ;)

[@mozeby1975]

Super helpful feedback. We’re literally the same size and being comfortable is right at the top of my priorities.

[@blakepullen6982]

Would have been cool to have my GSXS 1000 GT to battle with that 1000 SX!

[@JRDNGIXX]

Chris thank you so much for this my friend. You listened to your audience asking over and over about another '22 gsxs tune video and you delivered. Hats off to you good sir!

[@phase3ute]

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[@bruceesterline3170]

Thank you Moore Mafia for all you do for your fan's it is appreciated.

[@thadiuswilliams3410]

Thanks for supplying us with awesome content😎

[@lanceb3547]

Congrats! Even better for me, you finally got a 3rd gen N1K on the dyno! My 2021 needs that tune. Will get you my ECM asap! Love your channel my friend, congrats again on your success!

[@alexandermcdole8464]

I like the top end HP

[@KXLIFEFL]

Congrats on the 100K. I’ll take the Ninja 1000 SX. Seems more useable out on the real world. Great bikes either way. Love your videos. Definitely will send my ECU once I get my bike.

[@electroevolution5777]

Can you do a video explaining how you flash ecu's off the bike? Congrats on 100k man! its been exciting being subscribed to you!

[@SlingKing2015]

Subscribed..... Full disclosure, I already own a Ninja 1000 and a Z900. I like the Suzuki for what it is but I just can't get behind the looks even if it does have more top end. That headlight and display/turn signals just kill it for me. Looks like I need to send my ECU's in for a tune though at some point. Congrats on the growth of the channel.

[@skywatch4639]

If you like the Suzuki, there's also the Gsx-s1000gt with fairing and different (better?) looks.

[@ericshaffer7112]

M4 sounds awesome!!! I am looking to buy a GSXS

[@jamesbrutsche202]

Chris, I love watching what you can do with these bikes. I would much prefer the Suzuki. You are a wizard. Congratulations on your 100k subscribers 👏. Take care.

[@mrmatt7210]

Yes, the Suzuki is down on Hp and Tq in the midrange, but how much of this is due to the choice of exhaust.

[@centripetal25]

Suzuki S1000 has that gixxer K5 engine heritage. Detuned and revised. Probably more bulletproof than even the already reliable Kawasaki.

[@davidmandell9909]

Both engines are bulletproof.....

[@centripetal25]

@@davidmandell9909 there's always gonna be one that's better even if slightly. I put my money on track record.

[@frankzamperini]

I cannot wait to decide on one of these 2 machines and set an appointment with you. Take a nice ride from VA to your shop.

[@JDeezle21]

GSXS sounds so good 👍

[@Rickmac22]

1000sx all day!

[@mattsloop2736]

For daily rides and playing on the streets I'll take the low end torque. You don't always have room to let a bike loose. Especially a litre bike. But you can always have fun from light to light with more torque.

[@donaldwiggins7740]

Both bikes have enough torque and hp for the road. Both can bring front wheel up, so honestly I think it’s purely down to aesthetic preference.

[@monkmoto1887]

I have a 2010 z1000 basically the same engine with a more aggressive intake cam and different velocity stacks and it takes really really well to tuning, it’s not as powerful as the gsxs but it actually does a lot better than the new ninja1000 on the dyno, and my bike weighs 453 lbs on a floor scale at work basically as fully fueled as it can be

[@jamesaquino9341]

Chris, Congratulations on 100k !!!! On these bikes I preferred the Zuke. Better sound and better top end although I would not purchase either bike. Just not my cup. Im still killin the game on my MooreMafia tuned bikes! 19Busa and 04ZX10r. Thanks to you Chris , I stay out front!

[@papamichailang]

another very informative video! I was searching everywhere for this one. Greetings from Greece

[@nickrider5220]

Suzuki have tuned their 999cc engine for a more spirited ride and Kawasaki have tuned their 1043cc engine for sport touring and 2 up stuff - two nicely developed engines, I like a spirited ride......so Suzuki for me, in the black and with an Akra system (carbon can) !!!

[@tox5543]

I've been waiting for him to Dyno the new gsxs for a long time, since I got mine I've been dying to see how it did on the dyno

[@Stclairm1]

Gotta get my GSX-S1000GT tuned soon. Still deciding on exhaust. Don’t love the M4 slip on. Gotta get one with a low mount like the M4 though.

[@castpro3494]

Same here brother.

[@ronniewelch7817]

101k subs yes sir Moore mafia blowing up and its about time you deserve much Moore brother 🙌 #toptuner #mooremafia

[@michaelcooper10]

Great job Chris, rock an roll. I am one of your biggest fans. My only problem is that I don't have a bike anymore.

[@TheBigTizzie]

M4 loves Suzuki !!

[@mozeby1975]

I’m sure both are quick enough but it’s the other parts of the bike like comfort, controls, display and styling that would influence my decision more so. I could be happy with either but those other factors are more important than which one is slightly quicker.

[@noelnilannyatmin4764]

Love your videos bro. I enjoy watching it. Especially Dyno videos🤩🤩👍👍👍 GSX S1000 looks gorgeous😍😍😍❤️❤️

[@usbsol]

There was a cut in the timelapse - what happened? 😉 Would also be interesting to see a dyno of gsxs 1000 GT 🤞

[@exothermal.sprocket]

Back in 2011 when Kawasaki first released this bike, it was then called Ninja1000. Insurance companies couldn't figure out what it was for years. Anyway, originally after a ECU flash, exhaust, filter and tune it made 146 hp and 85 ft-lb at Ivan's Performance Products dyno. It also weighed less. Fast forward 11 years, it now weighs exactly 10 pounds more and makes 10 less horsepower and 6 less ft-lb torque. I mean, let's just celebrate the progress we've made on this model. And Suzuki, you used to make north of 150 wheel HP and more than 80 ft-lb. Now you make less power. That's also a progress. Yay. And just FYI, I'm not talking about a few horsepower difference between one dyno and the next, I've compared at least a dozen graphs of both models over the years because these kinds of bikes are my jam. They are comfortable sportsbikes that can tour.

[@randyheiser5367]

I had a 2010 z1000 with Ivan's flash and power commander. It totally changed the bike. Smoother on/off and some low end torque.

[@exothermal.sprocket]

@@randyheiser5367 I tuned a 2011 FZ1 with his recommendations, it was very transformative.

[@randyheiser5367]

@@exothermal.sprocket it's like a totally different bike.

[@exothermal.sprocket]

@@randyheiser5367 I don't have that FZ1 any more, but when I did, I noticed engine vibrations dropped at least 70%, all the torque flat spots and lack of throttle precision went away. Engine never heated up into the 200's. Gained a lot of peak power. Never affected fuel economy.

[@randyheiser5367]

@@exothermal.sprocket i don't have my z any more either. 2019 Supertorque R.

[@Gassed_up93]

Congrats on the 1k!!! Well deserved. Great channel!!!

[@addij3689]

I have a soft spot for the Ninja 1000, I started riding on a Ninja 650, then went with a Ninja 1000, now after 7 years of riding I am on my dream bike, a Ninja ZX10R KRT edition.

[@danielmanzano4627]

Same exact road trip here. Hated the 650 performance, vibrations, brakes, suspensions, everything, lol. Loved the 2018 Ninja1000. My 2021 zx10 is a different world after being tuned by Chris. Still miss a little the Ninja1000

[@georgeweeks3554]

Awesome video. Shoot out video very fun to watch. Zuk sounds great. Straight line beast, kawasaki lays down better road course lap time

[@rony3646]

I highly doubt the Kaw sport tourer is beating the Zuk on a road course. Zuk has higher HP, better brakes, less weight and a chassis and engine with a GSXR bloodline. Kaw is nice, but was purpose built with the geometry of a sport touring bike. Get real.

[@Rickmac22]

Sport-TOURING = Ninja 1000SX, SPORT-Touring = GSXS 1000! Great review, great content, I’m subscribed!

[@jorgemarques8708]

super interesting...i was waiting for this one, thank you mister moore! but i thing we have to remember that the suzuki GT (the true rival to de SX) is 10kg lighter, so, would that compensate on the streets for the lower power numbers comparing to the SX? Cheers

[@worldsnomad]

As far as I'm aware suzuki has more power than kawasaki, so there is no need to compensate for anything

[@robertct06]

2 things I wanted to see. Chris hit 100k and both these bikes tested together lol

[@woooster17]

The Suzuki sounds awesome, but so does the Kawasaki in a more subtle way.. My choice.. would be the Kawasaki, just for that extra punch on the road 👏🏼🔥

[@MrLilredmachine]

The power curves on these bikes reflect the character of each when you ride them. The SX has more torque, but needs it as it's all around more doughy (214 wet vs 235 wet) and generally softer to ride. The power curve of the suzuki reflects a more focused, sharper bike, which the GSX is.

[@ehiggins7476]

Exactly. The audience for N1K is probably the weekend tourer, so guys with a pillion or loaded cases. Makes sense to have power available down low. GSX is more of sporty bike. Both awesome machines

[@tomg6284]

You cowboy the transmission and engine, be smooth.. I will never let you do that to my bike!

[@flamintasty]

What an a55hole 🙄

[@TheNovascotia1]

Great video! I would like to know how much power the 1000SX would make with the quiet insert removed? or without the Akrapovic muffler? Still love the Kawasaki for the midrange torque. I sold my Ninja for a 2022 Kawasaki KLR 650. I grew up on dirt bikes, and missed going offroad with my motorbikes. I would love to see a video of a reflashed 2022 KLR 650? I noticed a difference by just opening up the intake and a Lex slip on exhaust. You the man! and will send my ECU's to More Mafia exclusively to get reflashed.

[@Big_DT]

Congrats Chris on the 100k subscribers!

[@Mr09busa]

I’ll be sending you my ECU for my 2022 gsxs with full arrow exhaust… That FI light annoys me.

[@ljoelmchanley3676]

Kawasaki is 1043 cc vs 999 cc for the Zuk. ...not much difference but doesn't hurt when Kaw is tuning the engine for sport touring. Kaw also weighs about 50 lbs. more

[@SOLOMOTOUK]

Hi got recommended this video I own a 2022 ninja 1000 sx touer Very impressive results I’d stick to the Kawasaki 👍😎🏍️

[@markwatkins6882]

Ninja,daily driver...Suzuki,weekend warrior !!!

[@markwatkins6882]

@Text👉Mooremafia👈on Telegram Thanks Man !!! Thanks for all the informative videos !!!

[@JIMMER15]

Excellent video!! My 2021 Ninja 1000sx sounds way better with Delkevic headers+decat+GR moto end can (that Akrapovic exhaust is too quiet with the baffel in). I definitely appreciate more low down torque verses the over 10,000 rpm gains for real world riding. Both bikes a brilliant!

[@TK-cl1jm]

Any idea which would be more restricted, full Akro vs your option? I have a '22 N1K and want to do a full system and this tune. I just haven't decided on which to go with. I tour, that Zuke would be WAY too loud, but I could handle a bit more than that baffled Akro. TIA for a reply, and cheers from the frigid northeast!

[@JIMMER15]

@@TK-cl1jm I would go with a Delkevic/Black Widow/Lextek headers and then an end can with a removable baffle (most Akra end cans have a fixed baffle and almost no noise) that way you can quiet it down for long journeys or take the baffle out and wake the dead 😁😁😁

[@-22766]

Like button smashed 👊 congratulations on 100k keep up the good work!!!!

[@robbieproductions9504]

I've learned so much aboug fine tuning my K3 GSXR 1000 from u ' all the way from South Africa

[@YoungMulahBB]

thanks for the vid's on the gsxs1000. Currently looking for one for my next bike (first naked bike) heard great things about the smoothness and quickshifter. Coming from Honda 954rr and 929rr and R6. Deff will be sending ECU into you for a tune with either M4 or Yoshi full system.

[@jfarlandutube]

Congratulations on 100k!!! Great content as always. I would have one of each.

[@harryvalentin8462]

Moore Mafia 4 the 🌎... congrats 🤝

[@michaelcooper10]

Great job buddy keep up the good work

[@Bisse_Elison]

Hi Chris, great job as always ! Don’t you think the Kawa would gain some peak power if one removes the Dbkiller ? I would love to see this as a cool pre flash/ post flash comparison: Max throttle in Fifth gear from 3000rpm to redline and measure the time gains ! That’s a pretty fun way to see real world driveability performance.

[@forrysc]

They are welded in now. I suspect you might eek another 1-2 hp peak but it's not worth it.

@@forrysc more, dB killer is a hp killer, on my bike a dB killer robs more power than oem silencer.

[@S.T.-015]

This is sooo satisfying M4 al the way

[@leviefrauim1425]

Outside of my current FJR, the N1K & GSX1000GT are two of my favorite currently available bikes. I'd love one or the other in my garage. Both great bikes, for sure. I previously owned a modded '11 N1K and it was a fantastic bike for a solo rider, not so much 2 up, ergo the FJR in my garage now. The latter is also a fantastic bike, just 150 lbs too heavy. But for longer rides or two up? Hands down the winner. Given my druthers, I prefer lower end power so the N1K for the win but I could easily 'settle' for the GSX too! Not the M4 muffler, tho- too loud. I prefer the quietude of the OE exhaust. The M4 is obnoxious.

[@douglasgrosch228]

KAW better for hills/twists better low tourqe not have to ring it out like zuk !

[@Calam1ty08]

hey bud what are those bar end mirrors on the suzuki? :O those are SWEET!

[@acuracy00]

This is more like it for the Zuke this time around

[@TK-cl1jm]

Once I settle on an exhaust system, I'll be knocking on your door! For me it is a no-brainer that the Kawi numbers are superior for everywhere other than the track, perhaps, where I don't ride it. I would, however, be curious what true wet weights are of these 2 bikes, both with full aftermarket exhaust systems.

[@ecc5119]

The S bend in the exhaust on the Kawa looks like it cost some power. I like the 2018 gsx1000f at 154hp.

[@exothermal.sprocket]

Both models have been docked 10 horsepower and a corresponding 5 ft-lb since they were first released to market. And they both weigh more. But all the kiddies are screaming YAY FOR TFT!!!

[@jeffh278]

The kiddies are morons

[@bobby6925]

I’d go with the ninja….would feel quicker in the pants for what most people’s riding style but if you’re drag racing maybe that gsxs top end but I prefer the harder pull but I’m sure both are insane for the average person

[@Zekenificent]

Congrats Chris 👏🏿

[@PipeWagonTV]

The m4 did pretty good on there

[@gapplebees9295]

I got a 21 ninja 1k, really like the bike! I definitely need to send you the ecu lol

[@rwd323]

Suzukis have always had a distinct sound

[@Lifeinthecountryfamilyislife]

Will a tune mess up my warranty? My 1000sx is super quiet and Id like to make it a touch louder with a exhaust but dont think a slip on is going to do it. But its literally a week old and I paid for the 5 yr warranty

[@amirnazir3132]

Great job done on both bikes. 👍

[@steves2092]

I'd take the older version Ninja for the street, the newer is down on power and fatter. Bottom line for 2023 models the tuned Suzuki is probably better. I'll keep my 192 HP 2009 Busa though! Good Job & like you comments

[@czierwo]

Ninja 1000 over GSXS without giving it a second thought. Besides the advantage almost everywhere in the rev range, Ninja looks so much better too!

[@zonta71]

I choose the gsx s1000 coming from 2x naked Rf900. Straight pipes, ex valve delete and ecu mod. Saving for the Woolwich kit for full ecu control. With standard tune, it wasn't pleasant on or off throttle. I prefer power top end and grunt low down. City riding is pleasant, it's 1000cc and light so the torque difference isn't really an issue until you start wide open pulls on dual carriageways which tends to be high revs. I need to ride a Saki again. Any offers in Yorkshire area, UK. And you can ride me Zuki

[@edwardwheeler5879]

What did they do to the new gsxs 1000, older ones were making 10 to 20 more hp???

[@James-jy2lg]

Looks like the front tire (s22) on the 1000sx might be mounted the wrong way. Please double check with your client, might hinder wet weather performance.

[@cmbiker]

Congratulations on 101K now!!! BTW what part number would I look up for that full M4 exhaust for the 2022 GSX-S1000?

[@castpro3494]

I am looking for this exact one as well. If you find out would you share?

[@daz13200]

More than likely the same part# as a 2020

[@danielbaez1728]

Kawasaki 100 %

[@raymondwinans978]

Would a different muffler or with baffle removed out of the Kawasaki make any difference in top end HP ? Seems if the baffle has a little more back pressure so I'm thinking would that increase torque and low rpm HP but sacrifice top end HP . So I'm wondering with baffle out would you loose some torque and in low RPM but gain HP at top ?I'm also wondering if a different air filter could be used or a air box mod could be used to gain an edge and push that Kawasaki numbers up . Or is it just the cam profile?

[@user-gt3xx6lc1o]

I have a 2011 sx1000 with same pipe and a power commander with a Ivan's tune. I'd kinda like to get rid of power commander and go with a flash. Can you do that and do you think power gains could be had,?

[@lovmyevox]

Congratulations bro 🎉 I want cruising power so I choose you kawasaki

[@carlosjanones8090]

Both bike have enough power for me. I hope get my Suzuki GSXS 1000 soon.

[@amirnazir3132]

Congrats Bro. for 100k subscriber. 👍

[@scotty2221]

Thinking about getting the 2024 Kawasaki Ninja 1000SX. Do I have to dyno it to tune it or, can someone like you send me a tune that's already been setup? Plug and play I'd love to do if that's even an option unless all of these "restrictions" are made/setup different. Please let me know for education purposes please.

[@elgar6743]

Another interesting vid !! Finessing already very healthy motors to realise all the 'locked in' potential. Both great bikes...toss a coin!

[@famousj6]

What kind of air filter did the suzuki have?

[@KoreyByrne]

Suzuki all day

[@GingerMoto]

I guess this voids any warranty you have or does it just void the ecu warrenty?

[@sophonchan4402]

I’ll choose the Grom

[@gixxerboyroyluvdrumswaters9023]

Congratulations on 100k.subs.

[@chad111275]

You just answered all my questions on my 2021 Ninja 1000SX. I’m ready to send it in! Any promo code for us po folks in Louisiana? 😂 I got no mods on my bike. No real mods to get for it since it’s the SX. 😞

[@mammasquid]

Congrats on 100k!! BUT... IT'S NOT JUST THE BOYS THAT HELPED YOU!🤣 I BET THERE'S A LOT OF LADIES OUT THERE WHO HELPED TOO!!!🤣🤣💙

[@thiagogimenes5500]

Suzuki

[@LarPone2012]

Any mt07 tuned video?

[@sypherian1982]

Man that exhaust on the GSX-S love the rumble/growling in the lower rpms and nice screaming sound in the top as well :-D I'm actually contemplating getting the 1000 GSXS 2023 and if that is the case I will be aiming for that M4 exhaust unfortunately bikes are insanely expensive here in Denmark so Financing is a must, for comparison a bone stock GSXS 1000 2023 rolled out of the store costs almost 21K dollars in danish currency ofc. 😲

[@prndownload]

I always wanted an exhaust on my street triple 675 but in the end I never committed because I liked being able to always ride it hard without everyone else noticing. I feel like maybe if you have a show bike you only ride on a Sunday after lunch during good weather for an hour then it'd be epic. For regular riding/commuting I'm not so sure it's the best idea.

[@rm25088]

this GSXS is much better than the first one with the CS.

[@motorjack141]

I hope you can flash the 2022 mt10 and compare it to the previous gen.

[@daveyt4802]

Need to hop up the S GT next!