Make Money from Landscape Photography | My Plan to Earn a Living

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Following feedback regarding Patreon I have decided not to proceed with my plans and to focus my attention else where. Cheers, Chris

[@wascallywabbet]

Chris Sale will look forward to new ways to qualify for said calendar. ;)

[@mujahidurrehman]

Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I went the through similar phases. By the way, new video is up, thank you for the motivation 😊👍

[@craigfouche]

@@mujahidurrehman , nice to see you here too 😊

[@hughwolfe1176]

Chris I’m finding your videos very helpful as I’m in the same situation of trying to start a photography business although on a part time basis. I’ve taken my Social Security retirement but I’m still working full time for an airline (flight benefits) so not a lot of time for shooting.

[@martintaylor4620]

Can't give any photography advice but I've been self employed in the building game on and off for nearly 40 years. Please get an accountant. Sooner rather than later. They will help set you up, plan and maintain your books. This is vital and will save you a great deal of blundering about at the end of your first year. Talk to them about setting yourself up as a company. Pay yourself no more than a minimum wage and add bonuses when you can afford it. The object being - don't pay tax. Make a loss in you first year by leasing your equipment/car/anything else you can think of to your company and bare in mind that there's a big difference between turn over and profit. Finally, think like a boxer. Just when you're doing your best work someone or something is going to hit you where it hurts. Ignore it. It doesn't matter. Carry on regardless. The prize is worth fighting for. Good luck.

[@RobOutenPhotography]

Great sound advice Martin,👍📸

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Thanks Martin for this excellent advice. I am in the process of sorting out an accountant. I have a little time as I do not intend on drawing a salary for the first year or buying anymore equipment (on strict instructions from Mrs Sale). That aside I will appoint an accountant very soon. I like the boxer analogy, it felt a bit like that at times last week.

[@martintaylor4620]

@@ChrisSalePhoto Tell me about it LOL. There's lots of tricks to learn though. £5 a day subsistence allowance for people who work in a different place every day. That adds up over a year. Keep your shopping receipts as of now. Phone, fuel, using you home as a place of work. Loads of things like that. Got to hit the ground running. When you see the man in the suit take a print with you and hang it near the secretary. If she sells one give her a commission.

[@luisponspuiggros6222]

The main ingredient (I can see from your stance) is joy and passion, then money comes with value. You have all ingredients. Also financial wisdom makes self support possible: first income then expenses. I appreciate your art, thanks and all the best. I am retired/amateur and will share with people that are beginning in the profession in Catalonia your vision.

[@dasp125]

I like the way you are keeping your images very natural looking, not over edited in saturation and not too much detail visible in the shadows. I think you would like Joe Cornish's work, a fantastic landscape photographer from North Yorkshire. Keep it up!

[@EdenAudio]

I'm surprised you put youtube income stream down so lowly as you are a natural presenter, the image, sound quality and production are superb, good job.

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Thanks very much, that is very kind of you to say. Since putting together this series of videos I have seen a rise in my KZbin earnings. It could be really helpful in the short term while I am working to set up my business.

[@chrisfir]

True Chris. You should look at KZbin defo. You are a very good presenter, see if someone on somewhere like the legitt (seo) website can help you with reach and audience targeting. I dont use KZbin much because we are a local service but you have a skill with this presenting so exploit it and good luck

[@SuperGarethb]

Only just started watching your KZbin videos following on from your critique of one of my own shots on iPhotography and the Q&A you did. Have to say so far I’m loving the videos and the humour... I doubt I know the Lake District even half as well as you but I grew up visiting there regularly and seeing some of the shots in your videos brings back some amazing memories of a place I too genuinely love and now regret living so far away from. Thank you for bringing my passion back to life and giving my head a wobble to get back to what I love... nature and landscape photography.

[@ianspicer1529]

Chris, I’d like you to know how enormously proud I am of you and how honoured I feel to call you my friend. Although you’re following a path less well trodden, if you keep on being your authentic self you will surely go far and thrive. There is a gentle calmness about you and great sincerity in your humour……live long and prosper my friend!

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Thanks Ian and thanks for the encouragement and support. Look forward to seeing you next month.

[@jamesparker9312]

Chris - I too became a full time professional this year after working on it for the last 15. I really appreciate you sharing the same concerns and thoughts as I have on a daily basis. We are on a similar journey and it's nice to have a distant partner in this. Thanks for a great channel - I look forward to seeing what's next!

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Hi James - I am just working through my backlog of comments. Sorry it has taken me so long to respond. How are you finding the move into professional photography?

[@jamesparker9312]

Chris Sale - I just moved to a new state - over 2,500 miles. So am having to find all new clients. It’s a slow start, as I expected. I’ve decided to do real estate photography for one cash flow and even though it’s my least favorite, it’s pulling in the most work. I love automotive photography and have been at it for over 10 years but since moving I’ve struggled to get work in it. I did quite well where I lived previously. I also love landscape photography. And I love teaching. I’m setting up workshops for 2020 and I’m involved in my local professional photography groups. Slow but steady!

[@bobkennedy621]

While being off work sick and sitting on my settee searching you tube I came across your channel and am glad I did,have been binge watching to catch up and have found the videos enjoyable and informative, have subscribed and wish you the best for your future as a professional photographer

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Thanks very much Bob. Sorry to hear you have not been well. Nothing serious I hope.

[@Gazzab6]

Not watched one of your videos for a while Chris because I've recently retired and we're catching up with the DIY on the house and also experienced a family bereavement. So it was a shock to me when I started catching up with your channel to find you have gone professional. It takes a lot of guts to pack your well paid salary in and go to being a full time Landscape Photographer. Even at this stage of your new journey, I can see an improvement in some of your images. I think the reason is now you are able to get out more often and you're catching the best light and conditions. I am a member of a local photographic society in Lancaster and I will have a chat with our Program Secretary to see if we can arrange something with you for a talk. Good luck for the future and I'm looking forward to watching your new journey.

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Hi Gary - I am so sorry to hear that you have suffered a bereavement in you family and hope that things are beginning to return to some form of normality for you (if that is even possible). I'd hope my images are improving, a big part of my decision to leave my old job was to give myself more time to work on my photography, 1 day a week just wasn't cutting it any more. I'd be delighted to speak at your photography club so if your program secretary is interested please ask them to get in touch via my website. In the meantime I wish you all the best mate.

[@Gazzab6]

Chris Sale Thanks for your kind words Chris and yes we're getting back to some normality. It will probably be next season (from September to May) for your talk and I believe the current Program Secretary will be standing down this year so as soon as we know what is happening, we'll sort something out.

[@markhazelton3627]

Another great vlog. I had a great time at Buttermere, even with the gale force winds. Glad those mad headbutting sheep made the final cut. Some great shots, particularly the cloud inversions.

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Thanks Mark, I really enjoyed our time at Buttermere. I learned a lot and I really appreciate you taking the time so that I could 'practice'. The good news is that I have two 1-2-1s in diary for a couple of weeks time. Happy days!

[@MiguelACoronaDM]

Hola Chris. Enjoyed the next chapter in your journey along with the images you shared. Such a stunning place. Not if, but when I get to the UK, I'll be there. Seems there's no shortage of advice regarding your strategies in the comments. The challenge will be how you integrate these well-intentioned bits of advice without drifting too far off from your plan. In any business endeavor, strategies will always need to change based on the external environment. I'm sure when you watch this video a year from now, your strategies might look much different. What I think shouldn't change is your vision. I think you have a solid one so I'd encourage you to keep that in focus and allow it to drive your decisions. Also, I applaud your transparency and willingness to share your efforts with us. Onward!

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Hey Miguel! How are you. Sorry it has taken me so long to reply. I have been rushed off my feet! You are so right about changing strategies. I have already learnt so much and am considering at least partially rethinking my approach. Your right though, my vision won't change. I still want to live and work full-time in the Lake District as a landscape photographer. Thanks as always for your encouragement and guidance. I really appreciate it.

[@orfmad459]

Good luck m8 ! The most important thing is to get better and better . Money is something is going to come afterwards!

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

You are bang on there mate. My priority is to get out as often as possible to practice. Cheers!

[@JohnHPettigrewFujishooter67]

Looks like you are heading in the right direction, But i have to agree its a bit of a mine field out there and not easy, I find myself unemployed at 56 and i too am looking to make money from my photography so i am following your story with interest. Best of luck.

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

And good luck to you too John, I hope everything works out. And they do say "nothing in life worth having came easy"!

[@SimonBurnCreative]

I'm noticing you're starting to add a little more subtle humour into these videos, I like that 😀

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

All completely unintentional mate I can assure you!

[@butterflycam1052]

Brilliant Chris! You will get there. Passion, Focus, and a clear path.Well, what can possibly go wrong?

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Absolutely. However, I have to constantly remind myself that having a plan is all good and well but you need to execute it! That is going to be the tough bit. And reacting and adapting when the plan doesn't work out as I would like.

[@GPYCROFT]

Keep it up, I'm sure there's many people considering following you into going full time and learning from your process.

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

I will try Garry. I am sure there are. I hope that I don't end up proving to them that it is not possible!

[@thevalleywalker]

16.38... a limited edition print right there ! Good luck with the venture Chris., I have watched your 1st couple of vlogs since your announcement but thought I would wait to make comment on to see how things are progressing with your plans. Some great thoughts and the fact that you intend to go forward as a stand alone LANDSCAPE photographer is a very brave decision and I admire your guts to do that . As you was ticking off the things going forward I was thinking of talks to camera clubs as I could see you in this environment and I think this would be a steady little earner for you. If you ever venture this way I know a few clubs who might like to put your on their guest list. Not sure how the patreon thing works but my immediate thought of £10 pm to get a free calendar seemed very steep? Love the idea of working with brands and methinks you need to start touting yourself towards camera equipment brands etc - brand ambassadors seem ten a penny these days but at least it would be a way of getting some chepaer gear (if thats how it works?) to work with. Going back to the talks thing, why don't you get a talk togther and see if you can get an alliance with one of the stands at TPS a little like Julian did, just a thought? Anyway, I could waffle all night with ideas... probably done best over a pint if I visit the lake district :)

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Thanks Alan, some excellent ideas here well worth thinking about. On the Patreon thing you are absolutely right but for $15 (now that I have done the maths) you get a calendar and a limited edition A3 print. I have tried hard to make it as fair a possible but if you have any other ideas of things that I could offer I am all ears.

[@andrewlunn]

Good insight Chris. i'd say figure out your most profitable and accessible revenues streams and maximise them and let the others fill in and grow over time. Regarding the Calendar i think a lot of people buy a calendar to help support a photographers journey as an annual gesture, so you may loose a lot of potential sales if you insist that they sign up to Patreon - think about local companies, they may want to order higher volumes as gifts to their customers but not want to sign upto an subscription. Good luck for the year ahead in Photography

[@andrewlunn]

Hi Chris - I watched this video last night as I popped up and I was wondering if it was an old video as I think I remember leaving a similar comment a year or so ago haha! Apologies if I duplicated a comment. It would be interesting if you did a video now looking back at this video and your goals and how the last year actually compared with it etc. Keep up the good work

[@MaliDaviesPhotography]

Left the add running, always do but for that title thumbnail you deserves it! Well that’s 3 minutes of a fitness watch I’ll never buy. Time to sit back and see you get a suitcase of money. Really enjoying the series, and I’m making notes! Hopefully, finally my website should be completed ish by next week. So a vlog on your website and the shop you have may tick a box and it’s free advertising. Great to hear you thoughts especially about youtube, completely agree! It’s great fun. Shoot shoot shoot, great watch as always Chris 👍 looking forward to the book 📖 SITHEE soon

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Cheers mate and thanks for Saturday. A great day out and just what I needed after a tough week. Just starting to work my way through the comments. There are a few salty ones. Ouch! Looking forward to seeing the website when it is done.

[@Bigbuurdconox]

Dude you're the best! Whether you acknowledge it or not you are! Keep up the great work! Just started watching some of your videos and they've been very helpful 😊 learning is the journey! Thank you so much!

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Hi Carlos, that is very kind of you to say. Thank you very much! Glad you are enjoying the videos.

[@davidburn9472]

That cloud inversion looked spectacular! Another great informative look into your plans 👍

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

It certainly was mate, you would have loved it!

[@Rossturnerphoto]

Your videos have a very peaceful vibe. The Lake District looks like a place I would love to visit someday. I'm looking forward to going on this journey with you as I myself am a fairly new Pro. I'm also working a job though so I'm trying to do this in my spare time. Enjoy the videos.

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Go for it Ross! Yeah, the Lake District is a wonderful place to work as a photographer. Where are you based? I hope you get to go full-time as soon as possible.

[@owlsbeale5888]

Hi Chris. I watch a lot of how to videos on specific things I want to learn. But your videos is a refreshing and interesting change and to how you progress is well worth a watch. You now have a short term business plan with some great ideas for the long term. Things are falling into place. Social media is a great way of communicating with your public. The advice given about getting an accountants is sound. Start off how you aim to go on with the finances. Getting that correct from the beginning with save time and money. Keep all those receipts. ps remember friends names. (Hilarious) lol. Good Luck Alan. 😎

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Thanks Alan, it is starting to come together. I now have a few 1-2-1s booked and am trying to fill the last place for my workshop on Holme Fell. So far so good!

[@AlexMcDougallPhotography]

Another excellent video Chris. I wouldn’t want to shoot weddings either, I think the stress would kill you. A lot of top images on show, the one at 16:28 I think it was is stunning. Hoping to get in touch about a one to one session. Keep it up mate.

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Aye, it's not a bad one that one Alex. I can see it as the cover image on my first book. What do you think?

[@AlexMcDougallPhotography]

@@ChrisSalePhoto The life and times of Chris the Landscape Photographer.

[@NaturePhotoStudios]

I’ll be joining your ranks in 708 days. Will be following your journey to help me prepare for mine

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

That's good to hear. 708 days, that is very specific. What's happening then?

[@NaturePhotoStudios]

@@ChrisSalePhoto I'll be 59 1/2 so I can start drawing from my 401k without a penalty. Plus two years will give me an opportunity to get all of my ducks in a row

[@GarethDanks]

Very excited for you mate. Some great ideas there I’m sure you’ll do fantastic! Loving the humour! You always were a funny fish! 😂 can’t wait to head up for another wild camp mate 😂

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Cheers matey, Another wild camp? Now who's being funny! :)

[@GarethDanks]

@@ChrisSalePhoto haha you loved it!! low level and youll be fine!!

[@maurice.meerten]

Another interesting video in your journey to make a living from photography.... I wish you lots of success!...

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Thanks very much Maurice.

[@JeffCreates]

Best of luck Chris. I'm looking at using a similar mindset to you at the moment...although not as a landscape photographer. I think magazine writing might be a challenge - it's very much a dwindling market and it's got a load of people already trying to survive in that arena who previously had solid jobs doing the same thing but have had to become multi-taskers. Standing head and shoulders above them may prove tricky, but is anyone can it's you. I think hooking up with higher end B&Bs and hotels to provide half-day "here's what you can do when you're here" workshops.

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Thanks Jeff, there is a new market opening up for Airbnb experiences which I shall definitely be looking into. There are so many things that i could try the trick if figuring out what to go for first!

[@wilsonwhanau5618]

Would love to know your thoughts on: 1. Submitting for Stock Photography. 2. Having a Digital Download Store on your website rather than just selling prints. Love your videos...as an amateur Photographer on the Gold Coast, Australia, I am also looking to become full time and would like to hear more about income streams that you are considering and your thoughts on them.

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Hi Wilson, very briefly... - I feel that stock photography is a numbers game, it takes a lot of effort to get up and running these days and you can expect very little in return in the short term. However, if you are willing to put in the time and effort and play the long game there is money to be made if you can get the right images. - I am not sure about digital downloads. I have never given them any thought. I can't think of any circumstances when anyone would want to download one of my images but I might be being a little short sighted. I hope that helps - good luck with going full-time.

[@garystone6583]

That inversion looks stunning Chris, I think you will prosper and grow your profession

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Thanks Gary, that inversion was something else. Wonderful experience that will live long in the memory.

[@JamieOverland]

Was chatting with Gaz on Saturday and we both remarked on how much your work is improving since you've been focussed more on the photography and getting out much more (not that it wasn't great before mate of course!) Getting the brands involved is a great idea - product/brand placement in your videos is noticeable ;-) I'm involved with a guy now (sorry just re-read and that sounds very wrong!) as retained landscape guru and he runs a VIP facebook group where he shares photography videos, tutorials, 1:1 mentoring and is available for advice & support on tap. He charges a monthly subscription to the group which is aimed at beginners and intermediates. The subscription model gives him the regular income to pay the bills, then the workshops and other stuff supplements this

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Cheers Jamie - that's interesting to hear about the VIP Facebook group. Not something that I have considered. I am so pleased to hear that you think that my work is improving. That gives me a much needed boost! :)

[@rosssayer6524]

Best of luck with your new venture, really enjoy your videos. From Australia

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Thanks very much Ross, glad you enjoy the videos. Not everyone does it seems! :)

[@bri3fcas3]

Thanks for sharing your journey. Starting a business isn't easy and I hope success finds you one day.

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Thanks very much Ivan and thank you for the encouragement. I have needed some this week! :)

[@AlanMETALMAN]

Good idea with the limited edition prints, I bought one from a friend years ago, which I still have and that was 1 of only 10 prints, all individually signed. You are in the crowded market but you seems to have some great ideas that makes me so grateful that I got in first with a freebie! It sounds like you were out on the same day as I was at Dale Head, last Saturday, looking down on Buttermire about 08.00, what a blowy old day that was! Some really good images and a very interesting listen/watch and ideas. Cheers Alan

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Cheers Alan. Saturday was a tough day for photography. Blue skies and strong winds, not my favourite. Hope you are well mate.

[@fbass2003]

I so appreciate your open and honest conversations and sharing. Following and wishing you the very best!!!!

[@iaincphotography6051]

Glad to see you up on the Hill photographing across rather them rather than up at them.

[@alanstanway6118]

Personal recommendations? 1 Guiding. I think you'll get strong responses from experienced photographers, but ones who don't know which location to visit at a particular time. Your local knowledge is key. 2 Brands. Having done a lot of this work in the golf industry I can tell you that brands aimed at the outdoor market will provide income, once again local knowledge is key (golf courses so easy compared to the fells!). Think outside the box too, caravans/stoves/weather vanes/compasses... You know better than I..!

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Thanks Alan, I am really excited about trying my hand at the commercial stuff. Not just photography but video as well.

[@tompetersphotography]

Brilliant vlog mate👍🏻 go for it buddy I’m sure you can do it! I will be right behind you haha 😂

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Cheers mate.

[@fitguy6288]

Amazing shots at the end of the video, many congratulations

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Thanks very much, very kind of you to say.

[@allanthompson9695]

All sounds great Chris. Good luck with it going as smoothly as possible. I'll check out your workshops. All the best

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Hi Allan, thanks very much mate. The workshops are something that I am keen to grow. I really enjoy working with other photographers. I am working with a couple of other photographers that are on KZbin to put together a programme. There will be details on my website once we know what we are doing.

[@jefffiles9209]

Love the sound of your own voice, bet you've also got one of those vlogging cameras with a flip-out screen so you can admire yourself and keep that hair in place. Love your work, Good Luck with the future. Got to be in it to win it!

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

I do have one of those flip out screens Jeff, how else could I check that my quiff was looking perfect! You are spot on mate - you've got to be in it to win it! You don't get anywhere if you don't at least try. Thanks for the encouragement, I really appreciate it.

[@ryanperringphotography7701]

Yes Chris, come to Cornwall!! Same as I imagine it is in the Lakes, there's endless opportunities down here! Wherever you look is just stunning!! Be good to know when you're about! :)

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Hi Ryan, heading to Cornwall tomorrow. My mum lives in Boscastle so it is like a second home to me. I shall be there all week trying my hand at seascapes.

[@ryanperringphotography7701]

@@ChrisSalePhoto Fingers crossed for some breaks in the weather! We do get loads of little micro climates on our north coast though, it's where I'm based too :)

[@oddbjrnaustevikfoto]

I can see that not being restricted to weekend photography is already paying off with some fantastic conditions. Keep the momentum going Chris, and good luck responding to all these comments on this video, hehe :) Wonderful images of that inversion.

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Hi mate, I am struggling to keep up with comments already. Need to work harder! Glad you liked the cloud inversion images, it was a wonderful thing to witness.

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Hi mate, I am struggling to keep up with comments already. Need to work harder! Glad you liked the cloud inversion images, it was a wonderful thing to witness.

[@Westmoreland348]

Dear Chris, that was a really inspirational exciting video, I think like all the people have watched this I really admire your bravery in doing what many photographers would love to do but haven't got the nerve to. The photography in the past three videos has simply got stronger and stronger which shows how practice and also your chance now to choose weekdays to go out (which as you rightly said are invariably better than weekends!) has given you some excellent images. I love the photograph from Loughrigg Brow and painted a panorama from that that viewpoint for an exhibition in Keswick recently. The cloud inversion over Ullswater was fantastic. Were you perhaps there same morning as me on Friday last week? Good luck and I hope you have lots of success with your new career!

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Hi Simon, you painted the scene from Loughrigg Brow? Really? Are you local? I would love to see it, is the exhibition still running? Yeah, this would have been the same cloud inversion. I was something to be seen wasn't it.

[@Westmoreland348]

Thanks Chris, I love Gowbarrow, it’s a great viewpoint, although your shot from Bonscale might be a close second! Loughrigg brow makes a brilliant panorama and I hope to get there in the autumn again. This was the painting in my summer exhibition: www.simon-whitfield-artist.com/gallery/solo-exhibition-at--northern-lights-gallery-keswick--june-july-2019-29894/photo/windermere-from-loughrigg-fell--110x50cm-framed--1629496/large it’s sadly gone but look out for another version soon. I haven’t photographed the famous stile yet, someone said it’s been dismantled? Keep up the inspirational work Chris, Best wishes Simon

[@chrisseveris5126]

Chris, I really hope and wish you a successful career as a Landscape photographer. If you are ever in Dorset give me a shout.

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Thanks very much Chris. I might be in Dorset in December. Hoping to photograph Hambledon Hill for a friend.

[@mikemolloy625]

Another idea Chris might be to pre print and frame some 1 off shots and have cafes and coffee shops display them. Tourists will go for that as long as they can take it away. So not having them as A2 but a manageable size.

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

That is a great idea Mike. There are certainly a few coffee shops in the Lake District! And pubs!

[@mikemolloy625]

@@ChrisSalePhoto just a few.! It would mean an up front expense with no guarantee of a sale and the shop would want a couple of quid but it might be worth a few hundred quid a year once the season starts again in spring.?

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Excellent idea Mike, fancy visiting a few of the pubs with me? :)

[@mikemolloy625]

@@ChrisSalePhoto Mate, let's put something in the diary for early next year?

[@neile3035]

Good series of videos. Very intrigued to see how you get on. Good look 👍

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Cheers Neil, so far so good (sort of).

[@GingerPhotographer]

Been here from the start and I'll be here through to the end! You're getting off to a fantastic start Chris, definitely know which direction you're going! - Great video and images to boot - Kudos!

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Thanks mate, I appreciate the support. But with your background you know better than most the a plan without the right execution is nothing.

[@JohnDrummondPhoto]

Re selling prints: you yourself noted that most serious photographers don't buy other people's prints. Social media and KZbin are going to draw colleagues, but not buyers (except maybe calendars). You want to target non-photographers who lives be the Lake District and would like unique mementoes of the area on their wall. That, to me, means art enthusiasts, either local or tourists. How about working with one of the many art galleries in the area that display and sell local artists' paintings and photos? Yes, they take a commission. But consider yourself as a professional artist and market yourself accordingly. Check art magazines that review Lake District artists and you'll get an idea of which galleries may have an interest in showing your work, and which ones sell prints for good prices. Get known in the general art community and make connections. At some point a gallery may offer you, or accept your proposal, for inclusion in a limited group exhibition or even a solo show. Who knows, after that?

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

There is some excellent advice there John. I will not be targeting other photographers for my print sales, did you see my video on social media. In it I discussed how I was going to target non-photographers with a love of the Lake District. I have already started researching magazines, particularly with a Lake District connection. Lots of opportunities there. I have to be honest I am very wary of galleries. I have not had the best experience dealing with them. Maybe one day I will set up my own. How about that!?

[@summitpaul]

Great video Chris. Such a well thought out plan can’t fail! Thanks again for organising the cloud inversions.

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

It's no problem Paul - just let me know the next time you are in the area and I will arrange another one for you! :)

[@kicknadeadcat]

I shot weddings for a few years and I hated it. Long hours and lots of pressure is all I remember. With landscape photography the mountain isn’t going nowhere it’ll be there tomorrow and next year and a 1000 years from now.

[@sander5086]

That shot at 16:30 is well worth printing, great image. I have just opened a shop on my website, to sell limited edition prints. I will be selling 30 prints on A3 and 15 on A2 paper, started of with 5 photo's. Will be in the Lake district next month, would be great to have you as a location guide for a day!!

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Hi, I like that shot too. I will be looking at getting it printed at some point to hang in my office. I hope you enjoy your trip to the Lake District, there is so much to photograph. Check out the location guide on my website and if you decide you need a guide drop me a line. If I am not available I have a number of contacts who might be able to help you out. Sorry it has taken me so long to respond. I have been so busy and have fallen behind responding to comments.

[@sander5086]

@@ChrisSalePhoto will send you a email!!

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

@@sander5086 - It might be better to DM me on either Twitter or Instagram. I have concerns that my response to people's emails are going straight to their spam folder. :(

[@sander5086]

@@ChrisSalePhoto send you a DM on Instagram 👍

[@richardturner81]

Must say your videos are very enjoyable (beats watching EastEnders with the wife). The photos you are knocking out all look the part as well. If I lived closer to the Lake District and didn’t have 2 young daughters I’d be up for 1 to 1 or workshop. Keep up the good work Chris 👍🏻

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Thanks Richard, that's good to hear. EastEnders? Are they still making that? Crikey!

[@DS-cf1zc]

I am enjoying this series, and seeing how this pans out - you have some good ideas Chris, and its good to see you thinking broadly about how to maximise your income. If you want to expand your repertoire pass over the M6 from Shap and seek out some opportunities in the Howgills - even Wainwright went there and wrote books, so why not have a week over the motorway beyond Tebay?

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

I have definitely considered it Dave. I think there is a limited market for images from the Howgills (compared with the Lake District) but if I can find somewhere like a gallery or even a coffee shop I would definitely be up for it.

[@DS-cf1zc]

@@ChrisSalePhoto If you hooked a decent one in to your calendar, or even as a limited print - it brings some attention to this lesser known area. Yes I accept it may have a smaller audience, but also your wider audience might think - oh its only just over the motorway, perhaps we should pop over and see what the fuss is about.

[@kevinpepper7414]

Hi Chris, Tried your web site but cannot connect due to security issue. Our systems says it is not a secure connection. You may want to consider SSL certificate.

[@huwalban]

Superb video Chris, and really interesting to follow your professional journey. Don't discount the value that camera clubs can bring to you. Pull some talks together and get them out there by directly contacting local clubs. Also find out whether there is a regional camera club federation in your area too, and see if they publish a list of lecturers. Camera Club competition judging is also a good way to get a foot in the door of clubs. I know that club photography sometimes has a bad name for itself, but I've found camera clubs to be a good source for workshop participants. I myself offer camera club days out (for a fee of course), as well as 121s and group events. The camera club days are also a good source for additional participants. In my opinion be wary of galleries - they can be a great advert for your work but are often very expensive to exhibit in and then there is the cost of the printing, framing, greetings cards, and advertising to be added in as well. I've done a few, and very often come home with a lot of the framed prints which I then have to store. Some areas do open studio weeks which are worth doing if you have a lot of stock to shift, but price based on what people are likely to have in their pockets. Wish you all the best sir, and looking forward to hearing more about your journey.

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Excellent advice Huw after all, I do love the sound of my own voice! :) I will start approaching clubs in the local area soon with a talk about my journey as a photographer and the impact that KZbin has had on my photography. I had never considered offering courses specifically for clubs, that is an excellent idea, thank you very much.

[@huwalban]

Most welcome Chris. I've only dipped a toe into the journey that you are taking, but more than happy to share so that you may benefit from my mistakes. All the best fella.

[@DiegoMcCartney]

Some great ideas here Chris! I’m digging those more creative ideas. Patreon too sounds good. I hope you were able to use your 70-200mm on that cloud inversion morning for some more up close shots!!!

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Cheers Diego, I got a few shots using the telephoto - I have pulled my plans for Patreon following some negative comments in response to this video.

[@jcben]

I'd happily hire you as a location guide or for "one to one" workshop, that's a great idea.

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Thanks Jean-Claude, the next time you are in the Lake District you will have to look me up! :)

[@pjf7943]

But, will you..????

[@neklamp2431]

Great ideas! Good luck to you! Those photos were excellent!

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Thanks Nek, I appreciate that. Glad you liked the photos, I thought they were good too but have mostly been overlooked sadly.

[@duckscrossingtheroad]

I've been doing motorsport photography at an amateur level for over a year now. I would love to do it as a profession on the weekends at races. But being able to acquire a media license and then network with race teams is quite a challenge. It's good in a way that there is a very defined market but trying to access it is the biggest challenge. I'd love to do a motorsport calendar but I've no idea if I need permission and from who. Landscape you can do your own thing so make the best of it.

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

That is a very good point, I never thought of it. I know that in order to sell images commercially you have to have the permission of the landowner where the images were taken so that is your starting point.

[@danielgonzales2047]

Love your videos man! Would you mind sharing some of how you got the photographer connections that you got?

[@strote]

Very nice vlog, as usual. I agree with one of the other comments and think that the audience for your prints will be people who love the Lake District. Not photographers, but rather tourists. Think about different price points, and where and how you would make them available. As for talks.... people who are about to retire or have the same urge to make a change in their career. You have a few of them commenting here already.

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Agreed Andy - did you see my video on social media? In it I discuss my intentions to use Facebook to target non-photographers with a love for the Lake District. I am in the process of sorting out which prints I am going to put up for sale. Once that is done I will put together a few videos specifically for Facebook in order to market them. Well, that is the plan anyway!

[@dozerjohn]

I am sort of over landscape photography youtube but this, this is fascinating to see, subscribed my man.

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Thanks John, I hear you on the landscape photography thing. There are so many more channels than there were when I started. But there is a really great community that has sprung up around amateur photography on KZbin - I am really proud to be a part of it (unless they've kicked me out because I want to go pro)! Without the support of the other KZbinrs I don't think I would have been prepared to make the jump.

[@Prashant.Khapane]

Keenly following your journey. From all my discussions I gather the market is extremely saturated and you need to be very good at marketing. Good luck

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

This is what everyone keeps telling me. I dunno if I am stubborn or stupid but I am determined to find out for myself. I see other people making a living as a landscape photographer and I keep asking myself the same question "why not me?" Sure I am going to have to work hard but when you are doing something that you love is it really 'work'?

[@Prashant.Khapane]

You have to “stay hungry and stay foolish”. Have you read that book? I’m quite sure you will come out a better artist and success given you have already put so much thought into it.

[@paulhinchliffe7601]

Great vlog Chris I’m interested in the patrions page and looking forward to what it is all about hope your having a great week 👍🤓

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Hi Paul - following the feedback that I received I have decided not to go ahead with the Patreon.

[@royhall415]

hi chris I see that you use a small canon camera can you tell me what it is I have a canon 60d which I like and does my job well. A few months back I bought a panasonic compact but not to keen on would u recommend any please like your videos.

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Hi Roy, I am not sure which camera you are talking about. My main camera is a Canon ESO 6D. That is the one that appears most often in my videos. I also use a Canon ESO M50 to film my videos. That is a superb little camera! Finally I used a Canon EOS M100 in my video on social media and when I broke my main lens at the beginning of the year. It is OK but a little basic and lacks some of the features I use a lot such as exposure bracketing and bulb mode.

[@kicknadeadcat]

How far are these places that you photograph from where you live? I live in a nice section of Pennsylvania but it’s quite boring as far as landscapes. So I have to settle for macro photography and creative type photos. I’ve only got back into it since I’ve retired. I have one photo that I think is quite sellable but I don’t know how to go about and do that. Any ideas for me.

[@gfxmaniac]

Your photos are great.

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Thanks very much.

[@jamesrobinson1182]

Keep it up Chris! Great work

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Cheers James, I will try!

[@Elysianplains]

Excellent 👍🏻

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Cheers Jamie

[@Midnight_Rambler]

Best of luck in your new venture Chris although I would say that £10 per month (£120) quite expensive for a Calendar and a print.

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

I have decided not to progress with Patreon following the feedback that I have.

[@allandavies1187]

Hello Chris, stunning photographs, surely, you must think of doing book!

[@farsawreylandscape7049]

That inversion time lapse was fantastic 👍👍

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Thanks very much.

[@desgardner7169]

There's another guy on here who said being a pro gives you very little time to take pictures! he also said why should I go out and buy a picture who someone else has taken, there are loads of really good photographers on here and that is what you are up against, I have to admit I have never wanted to be a pro of anything lets put that straight and say I always had a good job which I loved and it paid more than photography could ever earn me, I am long retired now and receiving the benefits of a good job and my photography and watching photographers on here is my relaxation in my senior years, personaly I think you could sell some of your pictures but I think you could make a living being a photo guide to the Lake District because you love it there, another sorce of income is being a lecture photographer at the many clubs that are around but that is a evening thing that can be hard work but enjoyable, you will still need to advertise your self more because not everybody uses social media, which ever way and what you decide to do I would like to wish you all the best on a very brave decision that you have taken.........

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Cheers Des, it is interesting to see how things are starting move forward. I am getting a feel for what will work and what will not. It is still early days but I think I am moving in the right direction.

[@desgardner7169]

@@ChrisSalePhoto yes you are right Chris its surprising how much advise you can pick by just talking to people, and at the end of the day you can pick and choose the advise that will help you...

[@hoodoo_taco]

Funny on the no weddings. That, I agree with you! I recently did a family reunion gig, and that will not ever happen again! Those comments afterwards, mostly negative (like made me fat, or you caught me eating) swore me off of those ever again!!

[@theresarice7289]

Looking forward to that patreon account. I'll probably stay at the lower level since I've a limited income, but definitely want to help out.

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Hi Theresa - thanks so much and thank you for the idea to set up the Patreon account. You really don't need to sign up you know, you have already given me so much support over the years! xx

[@earavichandran]

All I need to say is all the best. I am to professional to give suggestions. Congratulations for your passionating career.

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Cheers Ravi, that is very kind of you.

[@earavichandran]

@@ChrisSalePhoto I am sorry. Typing error. I am not a professional. I am beginner learning from you. ( Not is typed as to - dictionary error in android keyboard) sorry. I am always support you. Thank you very much.

[@andyarcher2029]

Another great vlog Chris. The cloud inversion at the end was amazing and hope to get a shot like that one day. As for revenue, I agree the Patreon idea has mileage, but may need a little rethink. I look forward to seeing more videos and your journey into full time professional photographer. 😁😁

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Thanks Andy - I doubt I will ever forget that cloud inversion, fabulous experience. I will see if I can arrange one for our up and coming workshop! :)

[@andyarcher2029]

Chris Sale I’ll hold you to that 😁

[@jeteli74]

Great vlog...briliant pictures...👌

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Thanks very much, it is so kind of you to say. :)

[@FabrizioZago]

Interesting vlog, thanks for sharing your thoughts.

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Thanks very much! It's my pleasure.

[@craigchuck4247]

Was thinking about walking the Cumbria way next year and *cough* wild camping. After seeing your scornful frown I may not 😂

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

It's all good Craig, just don't pitch your tent in the middle of Castlerigg Stone Circle mate, that's all I ask! :)

[@rmnds]

I think the second image would have been a success if you just zoomed in on the mountains. You know it's not always about the crazy wide angles. ;) Just my two cents. I've been a self employed photographer (not landscape) for nearly 10 years now and it's going to be super interesting for me to follow your journey. Especially as I'm feeling I'm starting to stagnate a bit already. :) Keep up the good work!

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

The image of the Jaws of Borrowdale was taken at about 170mm. I didn't have much more reach with my 70-200. I am not allow to by any more kit (by order of Mrs Sale) but I have been having a cheeky look at the 100-400. That might have helped in this situation.

[@rmnds]

@@ChrisSalePhoto My bad! I should have noticed the compression.

[@michaelpatterson9448]

Have you looked at the Amazon affiliate program where you can link to products (photography gear in your case) and get a kickback if people click the links or purchase the items? You won’t make millions off it but every little bit helps.

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

I used to do it Michael but I never really made much money from it. I doesn't help that I use and old camera which is not longer for sale on Amazon. I will definitely look into doing it again. Cheers.

[@andychattaway5620]

Exciting times mate ✌️

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

They certainly are mate. I am loving it so far.

[@andychattaway5620]

@@ChrisSalePhoto I bet you are mate. And you'll enjoy being a Pro even more as your confidence grows. Because you still keep putting yourself down - a little - with regular comments such as "When I improve." So Chris two points to note from Uncle Andy; 1. You are better than you think you are. 2. All photographers never stop learning and improving.

[@EwanDunsmuirImages]

Hey Chris. "of 8" is still considered fine art exclusive prints and additionally, appeals to the Chinese consumer market, 8 being a lucky number. Something to consider. All of my stuff is "of10" and clients are quite content with this level of exclusivity - clearly each image having to generate a particular revenue, having to effectively double your profit margin for runs of 5.

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Thanks Ewan, definitely something to think about there. You are probably right, limited run of 10 probably makes more sense.

[@EwanDunsmuirImages]

@@ChrisSalePhoto - the of 5 collections are sold to true collectors and consequently the ticket price is on the region of 3-5000GBP each minimum, but that said - thats a fickle market. My stuff sells for around 1200GBP behind glass and those who tell you its too expensive - probably arent your market. Those who think 1200bgp is too cheap... probably are, but price point run and marketing is key. Hope your doing well mate! Ewan

[@MioMyDog]

Love your ideas! Especially the brand deals and the exclusive calendar sound great! Are you also considering stock photography? Like, not for the top notch photos that are limited edition prints, but for others, that you don't plan to sell as prints? And what about webinars? If you're planning on teaching people locally, maybe you can do that on internet too? Anyway - I'm really rooting for you and I hope you succeed at your plans!

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

A couple of interesting ideas. I am not going to do stock photography, I think over the years that has become a volume game and it does take a long time before you see any return. I have considered to teaching over the internet. I even considered running weekly class room lessons over the internet. I will certainly give it some thought, anything that allows me to reach more people can only be a good thing.

[@vargavideo]

16:30 - splendid shot!

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Thank you very much.

[@RobOutenPhotography]

Fantastic cloud inversion, if you can order that for every workshop and 1:1 your on to a winner Mate. I'm definitely up to hiring you for a location guide, but can you write me a note to give to the Mrs so I'm allowed to go???? 🤣🤣. Thanks for sharing Mate, 👍📸

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Hi Rob, how are you mate? Sorry I have taken so long to respond, things have been very busy this end. How about this as a note to your Mrs... Dear Mrs Outen, how are you? You look nice today, have you had your hair done? Regards Chris P.S. Can Rob come out to play 'cameras' with me?

[@RobOutenPhotography]

@@ChrisSalePhoto 😂😂😂😂😂, fantastic Mate, 🤣🤣🤣. Who knows that might work, I'll keep u posted!! I'm good mate, hope the same for you? Looking forward to your next vlog. 👍📸

[@stockimage4893]

Good plan You can do also stock photography

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Do you think? From the outside that looks like a hard way to make a living. More a long term investment and at the moment I need to start working on something that start to return in the short to medium term. Or have I judged that wrong?

[@stockimage4893]

Yes agree Impossible with stock Photography kind of full time Stock platforms have now 80% images Garbage and most top photographers don’t sell images there But there is way to sell images in your own website but again that will take huge time make money from your website I don’t want you to Disappoint you but the way you are try to make money with landscape photography please me that is much long way to make money I do products photography and make good money it is hard to money but better then landscape photography I done landscape for 3 years unfortunately for it was super hard to make money from it Good luck to you and you Success with it

[@efferoconsultingabprojects3500]

Hmm, how do you define success? I myself are in the process of getting out of professional photography so that I can enjoy photography again. Doing more stuff just because I want to is success for me. But ofcourse that is only my own personal view. Getting into workshops you will probably find that it has very little to do with photography. However it might be a recipe for success.

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Thanks very much, certainly there has been a lot of interest in my workshops and 1-2-1s. The diary is starting to fill up.

[@jas9922]

Think about creating a calendar and selling it every year.

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

I think that almost every photographer on KZbin is doing a calendar this year has put me off the idea.

[@ashstubbings2603]

I'd buy the Borrowdale shot! I think it's wonderful!

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Really Ashley? Thank you so much, that is so kind of you to say. I might put it up on my shop as a single edition.

[@ashstubbings2603]

@@ChrisSalePhoto I would if I were you. I'm not really a Landscape Photographer per se, so (and I don't mean this to sound insulting) I wouldn't really be able to tell a bad photograph from a good one, in terms of 'how it's supposed to look' if you understand what I mean, I just like what I like! Keep up the good work! You're doing great! (in my humble opinion!)

[@JeremiahL]

Great video!

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Thanks Jeremiah, very kind of you to say.

[@Brock_in_the_North]

£10 a month is a bit strong for a first level on patreon. Just as an example most start with just a couple of pounds and then as the levels go up so too do the bonuses. £120 a year and you give away a calander is a tad harsh. Thats just my opinion though to some it may be a great deal. Think of it this way, you have 8k+ subscribers. If say 2000 of those give £1 a month thats £2000 a month income. My point is you sometimes are best asking for very little to make a lot :)

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Thanks Ross - regarding Patreon as I said you get a calendar and a limited edition (A3) print. I might not have made that clear enough as you are not the first to have mention it. I get what you are saying about asking for a little but £1 a month would barely cover the cost of producing the calendar. By asking for a tenner I hope to give people the opportunity to invest in my photography in return for a calendar and a print every 12 months.

[@Brock_in_the_North]

@@ChrisSalePhoto oh i see sorry every 12 months a patreon would recieve the calander and A3 print :) i miss heard. But i think as well as the £10 option you should also include a low payment option that doesnt include the bonus and gives people the option of supporting your channel as well. Maybe even £5 a month just to support your content. It is for you to decide anyway its your business i was just throwing ideas around. I hope you succeed

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Absolutely Ross, I shall definitely look into it. I would like to offer something to the lower tier, maybe some exclusive content or behind the scenes stuff but at the moment I am not sure what would be best.

[@DS-cf1zc]

@@ChrisSalePhoto Ross has a valid point, and perhaps - you have a lower entry point Patreon that doesnt come with a bonus of the calendar and a print. Other youtubers have tiered Patreon payment options, and give different benefits dependent on the tier paid. So you could go: Bronze - £1 Silver -£5 Gold - £10 Bronze get a Chris Sale keyring (you can get these made cheaply, I just did a run of 400 at around £1.5 each, good quality) - so not a bank killer. Silver - could get a unique Silver only print, of an image that doesnt make the main gallery. Gold - well they get the calendar, and the superior A3 print. My Advice would be don't rush to set it up, unless you are sure what you are a pitching for. Ross's idea has mileage, and with a sprinkling of creativity, perhaps you could find a unique strategic angle on getting this bit correct. Sorry Ross (I tried adding you to the discussion and it just won't have it).

[@sshahrooz]

Your strength is video and narrating on those videos. Focus on that. Create videos of guided tours of the Lake District and talk about best photo spots, best times of the day and year for those spots and also focus on guided tours. Combine that with photography tours of that region.

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Good idea! Location guides don't generally do very well here on KZbin but there are other outlets for that sort of thing. I have just started writing for a new website as their Lake District expert.

[@colindixonphoto]

No Weddings!!!! I agree LOL ;) no weddings or babies is my moto

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Never work with animals, children or angry brides. That's my rule!

[@acmdv]

Chris Sale Hi Chris, I'm new to you channel, if you aren't already you need to follow these guys on here:- Brendan van Son, Thomas Heaton & Andy Mumford. They have tons of advice on their channels. Also I think it would be a mistake not to use KZbin to promote your business, it's the second biggest search engine after Google. There were a few of things I think you should also consider in your career as a Landscape Photographer - Video tutorials on your channel (this could help bring in more subscribers to your channel), books (there are a number of online sites you can use to make your own books with the bonus being they are virtual books until ordered by your customer's), licencing your images - 500px is part of Getty Images so with the right key works you could get some income from that as well, video footage - if you don't have one already then I would advise getting a drone (4k video) & a camera that records 4K video ( a Fujifilm X-T3 would be a good fit - cheap & very good specs for the money ).

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Thanks Anthony, some excellent advice here, I shall make certain to look into the things that you mention. On the books could you recommend a site that allow you to make books?

[@acmdv]

@@ChrisSalePhoto Blurb is what I have used to make photo books with, you download their FREE design software & away you go.

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Thank you Anthony, I have looked at Blurb in the past. I will have another look. Cheers mate.

[@acmdv]

@@ChrisSalePhoto Also The Printspace has its own platform for selling print-on-demand prints (you have your own store) it's called a "Hub" account.

[@hartsphotography]

Hello Chris another interesting video and enjoying the series so far, best of luck to you. That having been said ive seen a number of photographers go down the Patreon route and it then seems that every video they make becomes more about them pushing Patreon and forgetting why people followed them in the first place. at that point i hit the unsubscribe button, so i hioe that doesnt happen with you.

[@DeltaDgtlAnimation]

Same goes for me. I completely agree.

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

Hi Anthony - following the feedback I have had in response to this video I have decided not to progress with Patreon. I will be focusing on building my teaching business centred around group workshops and 1-2-1 tuition. Thanks for your input, it was very helpful.

[@GaryNormanPhoto]

Without doubt your photography is improving already mate! I may well be in contact about booking a talk for next year :-) Will you travel as far as Bedfordshire?

[@ChrisSalePhoto]

What do you mean improving? Surely I've always been brilliant! I will travel anywhere in the country for you Gaz, you know that! 🙂