Christian Atheism (Ft.

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[@kegels4hegel]

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[@theswoletariat3479]

Greay chat

[@sugarhigh4242]

When ive seen Zizek refer to "christian atheism", it is NOT privileging Christianity as a philosophically special doctrine/tradition. It is merely to say that his atheism is infused with the christian sociality of his upbringing. Likewise there are muslim and jewish atheists with their own distinct characteristics.

[@YoungGirlz8463]

You can take the man out of the cult but you can't take the culture out of the man.

[@sugarhigh4242]

​@@YoungGirlz8463Maybe, but I definitely don't think it means that the Christian trinity is some qualitative ideological breakthrough that provides for atheism, science, rationality, etc.

[@YoungGirlz8463]

@@sugarhigh4242 I cant take it serious either. 🤣🤣✌

[@1DimeRadio]

Im not exactly sure about that. Would be a good question to ask Zizek. Hegel was pretty clear in thinking that Christianity was unique in this atheistic component

[@mcosu1]

You are right about him not privileging it as a doctrine, but he privileges it as an epistemology ​@sugarhigh4242

[@hyperontic]

"Christian Atheism" was great. Zizek hasn't released anything this good since Sex and the Failed Absolute (like 6 years ago) Some good stuff about QM in there too

[@mcosu1]

Yeah, I was worried he would just be rehashing old stuff, but it was really fresh and enjoyable

[@delusi0n]

I'm currently engaging in a sort of Christianized Pantheism based on Heraclitus so I'm very interested to see this one.

[@bryanutility9609]

Been checking out Gnosticism. Reminds me of wasting time learning details of Marxism. The world = evil therefore escaping = goal. What a terrible world view 😂

[@iachtulhu1420]

Can you possible elaborate? Sounds very interesting.

[@nowaout8014]

two very smart young men..stay the path

[@turner373]

It would be interesting to hear from actual theologians what they think about these theories or if they’d feel you’re using the terms coherently. Recently, Zizek has been talking about quantum physics, he has no training on the subject. Stephen Hawking had no philosophical training and declared philosophy as a dead end. Jordan Peterson is giving seminars about Nietzsche with no real expertise. Why not invite a dialogue with someone with relevant knowledge on the subject to join your conversation?

[@YoungGirlz8463]

You might be a sociopath.

[@chosenpawn9368]

I think it would be really interesting for him to have a theologian on the podcast. However I don't see the problem with people speaking on things outside their formal training. Maybe that could lead to a perspective that the "experts" didn't think of. Now if you're going to speak on something outside your training you absolutely must do your homework and If it turns out they're stepping outside their lane and not bringing forth anything substantial, then time will bear that out.

[@bryanutility9609]

I think Johnathan Pageau does good work.

[@turner373]

@@chosenpawn9368I agree. It would be a nice addition.

[@turner373]

@@bryanutility9609Pageau isn’t a theologian and is an example of someone who projects an expertise outside his field. It would be interesting for him to speak to an actual theologian.

[@EramisGoodspiel]

Keep wrestling between the two universes Tony! 🎉

[@satyasyasatyasya5746]

In the wasteland of late capitalism of course people will cling to some kind of something 'beyond' or 'larger' than themselves. We are all lost and wandering, but my issue is not just with the things people will cling to, or even that they often claim that its "good actually," but this almost always comes at the cost of clinging to eachother; real things that might just re-green the wasteland. I'm so tired of watching my fellow humans falling to their knees to dust their brows with sand making gods of the grains. Can we please just build a shelter from the sandstorm please?

[@jimmytimmy3680]

Religion is the opium of the masses. Meanwhile capitalism keeps destroying society.

[@jimmytimmy3680]

Religion is the opium of the masses.

[@Erosistheonlyreal]

Really beautiful comment. I would like to say though, I think part of it is that a lot of us feel they kind of have to pass through the "metaphysical/religious" phase before we can cling to other people, because we are afraid other people will not let us cling to them and that we can't justify our own clinging without a transcendent set of values that says that's exactly what we should be doing.

[@satyasyasatyasya5746]

@@Erosistheonlyreal aww thankyou. hmm perhaps, though i'd say its not our 'clinging' that needs justification, but our desire to do so that needs understanding and contexualising and discussion. Once people understand themselves and others better it won't even be clinging, but consential and welcome association with intimacy but most vitally, solidarity.

[@cmaslan]

I think someone called Jonathan pageou has made Christianity redeemable or at least haveing a significant strides on that... He(Jonathan) also hates the fundamentalist christianity too... He seems to be using a symbolic reading rather than the litteral reading that caused all the troble in the first place too... He isn't just relying on the scripture eighter...

[@jimmytimmy3680]

It's interesting how people transitioned from Spiritual but not religious to Christian Atheism.

[@badlula17]

And why Christianism of all things? If you’re just looking for aesthetics there’s so much better stuff

[@YoungGirlz8463]

@@badlula17 peer pressure

[@bryanutility9609]

@@badlula17because our liberal society is implicitly Christian. Exhaling CO2 = “original sin”. Organic food = “purity” etc..

[@ihavenojawandimustscream4681]

@@bryanutility9609 you're out of your mind. Climate change is an actual observable reality, unlike original sin which is a philosophical concept. Anti climate people are more religious in the sense that they immortalize the present and thinks that there is no alternative to oil

[@badlula17]

@@bryanutility9609 if you assign symbols to any object of our society you could say it’s implicitly anything. And even if it were Christian you have no obligation to follow the main current of thought of your age, in fact the opposite is often what leads to progress.

[@BrickGriff]

"If one takes the atheist position, one may forget one's human religious inclination. Not me though. I was raised Catholic." Nothing says "humanly inclined" quite like parochial school indoctrination.

[@theswoletariat3479]

I think youre confusing the role of 1776 analysis plays in platypus. Its not their means of appealing to the masses. I see it more of an extension of their emphasis on the difference between industrial capitalism and Bourgeois society - correcting a key and persistent mistake on the marxist Left

[@delly2088]

This is only somewhat related, I'd like to mention what I call "true religion" or "ur-religion". What is ur-religion? It's the total belief in religion, without any outside influences. Let's leave a pin on definitions for now. From my personal experience, people raised under religion early don't think enough about religion's contradictions to have to come to solutions to it (children aren't exactly pondering the paradox of evil) but how come they could be counted as religious and not just following orders? How could something as grand, complicated and all encompassing as a god or gods, deity, even the universe itself in like Buddhism for example, be even distinguished from the great blue sky? Especially without the tool of philosophy to zoom out and look at the greater picture? By the worship of arbitrary authority as a value in and of itself. Thru --and forgive me for such a crude oversimplification-- "lmao God said so" as the highest moral, philosophical, politiconomic argument, even above observable reality. This isn't to say the r/atheist argument that gOdS DiE wHeN MiNdS tRy or whatever, quite the contrary. *Any and all arguments, besides the most circular and incoherent, for or against the existence of any god(s), is itself the death of ur-religion.* It's the introduction of material reality as a mitigating factor aside from the metaphysical texts, bringing an outside influence to compensate for the inner inadequacies which brought about such influence in the 1st place. Ask someone of any faith or lack there of about their position about gun control, socialism or capitalism, etc. they can't just respond "my economic policy? Christianity. Legalise or ban guns? Atheism. Climate change? Islam." The closest you'll get is ppl claiming "I'm a [religion]" as a suble appeal to its socially conservative values, but even then, they have more than "lmao God said so" as an argument in and of itself. Ironically, the most fundamentalist views on religion are the greatest killers of ur-religion, because they're ultimately a response to the anxiety of having to contend with the contradictions of the material world. These types claim to return to the 4th century but they're often pretty influenced by 20th century fascism which is a VERY modernist take. I heard an apologist once say that "these things aren't irrational, they are extrarational, beyond the rationality of our limited minds" and that's ultimately what I'm trying to get at with the "ur-religion" concept, it's more of a "pre-rationality" or "proto-irrationality". Once you start thinking about it, it stops being pre-rational because you're trying to rationalise it. Whether you succeed to or not is what makes or breaks the religion but regardless of outcome, the very process itself is the death of ur-religion. When Nietzsche said "God is dead" he obviously wasn't talking about religion because that's very much alive to this day. What he meant was ur-religion, which had been a rotting corpse by that point. God only died when the ppl realized that ur-religion is dead and thus dumped its body in the ocean so to speak, thus the falling rate of religiosity and the integration of philosophy/ideology in the place of ur-religion. *TL;DR the protestant reformation and Islamic Golden age were cognito hazards that killed ur-religion and you will come across their influence in your lifetime sooner or later. Religion or lack thereof comes and goes but once ur-religion is taken, it can NEVER be brought back.*

[@Parsons4Geist]

Jesus died, christ raised

[@bliss9595]

Love this channel for posting about what comes on my mind lol

[@KULTOFKYLE]

I heard Contrapoints speak on New Atheism in a Patreon video. Did every leftist have a new atheist phase 😂 Christopher Hitchens was really my shit back in the day

[@connerblank5069]

So what you're telling me is, PhilosophyPortal believes in the Santa Claus model of social integration and cohesion: an ideal society is one where all the kids believe in Santa Claus, all the adults know he's a lie but don't disabuse them of that notion, and nonetheless, we all recieve presents as we celebrate Christmas together.

[@indi_prime]

Due to the life of Saint Nicholas parents across the world are presented with a spirit of selfless giving love which reproduces itself in children who come to learn not that the spell was false but that its their turn to cast it. If you want to banish greed a spirit of giving love is a much better ally than cynical materialism which simply masks the greed lurking in your own heart that only caritas can cure.

[@squintsyadams8463]

I mainly left the RCA because of how they dump on Christians.

[@YoungGirlz8463]

You dont know what a Christian is.

[@williambranch4283]

Dry holy water

[@Parsons4Geist]

william i didn't know you traveled these waters😊

[@zainmudassir2964]

Hope you make Video on Islamic socialism

[@1DimeRadio]

Any good guests you recommend for that subject?

[@florasonata]

​@@1DimeRadio Lady Izdihar is one that comes to mind

[@smail6865]

What do you mean by Islamic socialism ? are you talking about history of socialism in recent Muslim history ? or how could Sharia be interpreted to further socialist ideals ?

[@theresevoerman7109]

Yep, makes perfect sense. Another classic of Zizek neo-Hegelian tomfoolery.

[@tangerinesarebetterthanora-v8k]

Atheist Christianity is humanism.

[@bryanutility9609]

Yes. That’s why it’s an insane death cult. Humanists generally don’t have an above replacement birth rate. They are giving up their future to a “humanity” that disagrees 😂

[@fonroo0000]

Absolute gibberish wtf

[@Parsons4Geist]

God I pray you rid me of god

[@YoungGirlz8463]

Anytime I mention another channel on youtube my comment gets auto-deleted so Ill say it a little different this time. If you cant read ancient Greek you have never read the bible. It rhymes with Bady Labylon if you're trying to git gud. ✌

[@ai_serf]

I'm confused as to why you claim that political institutions based on religion are more successful. What's your metric? Simple power grabs, temporary necropolitics, and creating CP factories until a government or local culture collapses? Why can't success be defined by human health, both domestically and internationally (not killing or sexually assaulting humans here or abroad), and by the sustainability of an institution that doesn't inevitably crumble from rot due to its bad foundations: Religious rules and communities. People are spiritual because they like religion's metaphysics(eternal life, forgiveness, justice, reason for lil timmy getting cancer)[superstitions and myths], but the actual rules of any religion inevitably result in horror and terror that overpower the institution and harm many humans.

[@1DimeRadio]

When did I say that political institutions based on religion are more successful? I didn't say that lol

[@ai_serf]

Also, capitalism/neoliberalism takes a lot from Protestants... Thanks, Protestants! I love working/studying 19 hours a day and never seeing my family! Woohoo, religious morals and values. /s

[@tangerinesarebetterthanora-v8k]

They were more successful until recent times since the "eye of God was always on you" you were less likely to commit crimes when surveillance was minimal.

[@ChristosBeest]

Magick is real

[@YoungGirlz8463]

Its not magic its virtual reality. Consciousness is fundamental and attention creates quantum events that make it more likely you will experience the things you think about.

[@merlynstorm4850]

@@YoungGirlz8463 That's not how quantum theory works. You're just falling into confirmation bias, How many times a day do you think of/wish for something and it never happens that you don't include in your calculus?

[@ChristosBeest]

@@merlynstorm4850 I've summoned a demon. He has shown me that he is real.

[@YoungGirlz8463]

@@merlynstorm4850 Everything is manmade.

[@merlynstorm4850]

@@YoungGirlz8463 everything? I’m pretty sure there’s an entire natural world around us that existed long before humans ever did.

[@indi_prime]

Read Aquinas on subsidiarity