Sure it’s not personal experience. But it’s participant-observer in the most authentic sense. If you don’t understand this, what’s the point of dialogue and listening anyway?

You both getting to the real questions. It's refreshing.

I won’t say its my wheelhouse but I have read Dubois, Huey Newton, Asada Shakur and various other radical black American radicals and I don’t think “wokeism” applies to them at all. They were not “woke” because unlike the PMC types who claim to stand for Z or Y oppressed group despite speaking a language foreign to them, groups like The Panthers actually lived in and understood the working class communities that they fought for. Regardless if the word “woke” itself later became popularized in black circles, when people on the left critique wokeism, they are more critiquing a set of particular tendencies that have become associated under that umbrella (some of which were discussed in this episode). There are various black intellectuals well-informed on the black radical tradition who are in fact critical of the tendencies often associated with “Wokeism.” Adolph Reed is one such example. A socialist emancipatory politics need not abandon black people or any minority in order to reject wokeism, and an emancipatory politics that benefits the have-nots of society as a whole need not be woke.

It’s no different than supporting the ccp and everything being about the ccp

Absolutely true, however, the reality is that most of the people that call themselves “The Left “ in America primarily serve as a more radical Bloc of the Democratic Party and only began to break with them a bit after the Gaza situation.

Woke does not mean the same to the people who invented the word, and the people who appropriated and weaponized it. I agree that it's clumsy to not just state if one is talking about the one or the other kind.

@Grogeous_Maximus I don't really care who invented it or why. All that matters is it is now part of common vocabulary and everyone knows what it refers to. If someone is clinging to its outdated academic meaning, that is their problem. Whether it is weaponized or not is irrelevant - it's just a word and it's perfectly descriptive. The liberal/woke project of prohibiting words or playing semantic games is first of all dishonest and second is part of the mechanism by which the PMC enforces cultural hegemony. Words are just words.

@@benomkarababa "now part of common vocabulary and everyone knows what it refers to" Objectively not true and that's literally what the first comment already said so your whole argument falls apart.Sorry!

@@airliners321 everyone knows what it means except for people who are too smart and want to argue about semantics. For common, normal people, we know exactly what wokeness refers to. Just like p*rn.

@@benomkarababa That's not true, the reason the term is being criticized is precisely because it lacks the supposed power your implicitly attributing to it. "We all know what it means, while simultaneously we must kind of talk about how many people don't actually know what it means or what it's supposed to be referring to." Hasan Piker even said this, people LOVE Leftist policies, until you call them something defamatory. "Guys we all know what Obamacare refers to." No, yet another case where people can be stupid and don't realize that "universal health care" is something they like, but saying something might be "Socialism" triggers some part of their brain primed to reject it. Irony here also being we know that Obamacare inevitably wasn't that, but just the idea of introducing what could have potentially have been that had to be stopped in its tracks. How that was achieved relied on the power of, yes, words. Liu doesn't "not have an argument", it's that she's acknowledging that words have some level of power and being constrained by people's current understanding of the term means that her criticism gets disarmed purely because some people may be engaging in being simpletons. We should not embolden that behavior.

for real though her explanation of the current political landscape in academia at least in the anglo portion of North America is pretty accurate. I just don't know how one would broach the topic about victimized people holding backwards views and that a universalist message is needed. 47:25 is very accurate but I don't know would you raise this with a first nations person without sounding like a "Eurocentric chauvinist" or something along those lines.

@@MrJfergs They are able to think critically too. Just because someone is Native American doesn’t mean they automatically fall for the same ideology as other people of their race!

People arguing against politicians always should refocus to the economics and the structural economical implications of the elected person they speak with. This is the core of everything and they'll do everything to get away from it and not answer or change the subject. It's better to give the people around a simple and clear picture in theirs head of how they are misleading bye refocusing again and again to the economics question so they understand... OH this guy won't do anything for us... this guy plan is trash for us, he's left with nothing, no explanations. You just take the whole working behaviour of this person in charge and show structurally the consequences of it taking no sides and picture it simply to the people and focus back to the economic result and questions ; present, past, future. They're left with nothing to defend themselves.

The thing is, we can’t just keep blaming this on liberals. The fact is that much of this liberal PMC progressivism has bled into the left. How do you explain Jeremy Corbyn’s wipeout against Boris Johnson, losing even the working class vote to the Conservatives. Brexit was a huge factor, but Corbyn’s hesitation to take a strong position on the matter (despite being a Lexit proponent) was partly due to all of the PMC types around him giving him advice, and while Corbyn has always been a strong DemSoc who stands for working class, much of the Labor Party membership snd the left wing media complex who were supposed to be propping him up come out of academia and speak in terms that are totally out pf touch with people not educated in the social sciences. Its a quite deep routed problem. Im not saying to purge all the PMCs (im also of a PMC background), but people who have were socialized around that milieu need to at least become self aware

@@1DimeRadio Oh I blame the entire upper class. I don't see red and blue left and right. As I see it we got so much disconnection with the 1 % upper class that we can't even figure it out what it is. And under this there's the political class that is pretty much just a show off to hide the 1 % and even there at the diplomatic class they are dirt poor and just beggers wannabe. Then, we got the little entrepreneurial class who wannabe like the political/global entrepreneur class but don't even imagine them and think they are the 1% and then you get the REAL popular classes who can'T pay theirs rent, on the street, working disgracious job and get not pension, and are poured into the street more and more with the fentanyl/crack issues that is just a never ending meat grinder. As I see it there's almost not people into the political spectrum who are even close enough in touch with the reality of the population... and they are pushing the interest rates... That's going to blow off my friend and we all know that another economic crisis is close or on the rise... People in any spectrum aren't ready anymore for that because of the BRICS. It's going to be a full on wake up and rise or a nightmare. Imagine... There's just one CEO that got killed... but the frustration under that to go top that point 60 to 70 % of people got it in them... When they'll realize that Trump is just a funny clown making it worst they going to face the fact that both sides aren'T connected with them and that the only thing that can save them is themselves... (And let me tell you that there's no left in the US. There's no labour movement anymore like in the 20's 30's that are organized, that are emporing themselves together...we're in an era of individualism... )People don'T even know theirs neighbour and no ''filet social'' so... that's gonna hit hard on people and can blow into fascism full gear pretty fast and they got the guy that can just feed it and promote it but 50% of the population hate him too so he can't canalize it really. these 10 next years it'S going to be exiting(in the wrong way). I think American people down there need to socialize and organize FAST or that will be ugly. and by organization I mean economically. COOP, labour movements, pushing to tax the real richs, putting pressure against ''paradis ficaux'', Putting pressure on the politic side or even take it, organize free education together, building communities. There's no left and right anymore to me there's just the bottom who are totally disorganized to push up and reconstruct the whole thing.

@@1DimeRadio These people who are elected, they aren't connected to any of the bottom classes. They don't care they can't imagine the struggle at all. They still defending themselves while they should get some insights and change the faster they can but they're totally disconnected.

@@1DimeRadio You're totally right.

I regard them as a social category rather than a class in the old Marxist sense. The PMC has a different relationship to power (they have a certain prestige and cultural capital that makes them feel and act distinct from workers) and PMC aspirants (Students looking to become PMCs) adopt much of the "Habitus" of the PMC's as a result of their education and career pathways. There is a Right, Center, and a Left PMC Imo. (The Right PMC is mostly in the Finance and advertising/FIRE industry, The Left PMC is more in Universities and NGOs, and the Center/soft liberal PMC is in the Media industry and the PR industries.

If you like this for those reasons, you might find the 1986 essay by a Princeton philosopher, “On Bullshit” to be a similarly edifying experience.

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The vast majority of people consider AOC Left because she IS objectively one of the most left politicians in the American Mainstream. In a country without a major organized socialist, communist, and anarchist left, AOC and Sanders are the furthest left. And although hey are not “far-left” as they appear in today’s Overton window, they are still Centre-Left (Dem-Socs) at the very least in virtually any context

@@1DimeRadio, agents of the capitalist US empire, who dedicate their lives to preserving that same capitalist US empire, are categorically not left-wing, not even in comparison to other agents of that same capitalist US empire. You can twist meaning to suit your idealist notions all you want, but doing so does not alter material reality. AOC is a right-winger from top to bottom, inside and out. Would you argue that Trump is on the left because he's not as right wing as Hirohito? Evidently, you would.

@@elonmusksellssnakeoil1744 You are the one defining things in idealist terms that explain reality so that it accords with your own worldview. I am defining the Left how most people define it, which is as a relational concept. What is seen as"The Left" and "the Right" shifts depending on the socio-political context and the Overton Window of the times? If you don't think that AOC is center-left, at the very least in today's day and age in America's political context, then you are simply just denying reality so you can shift the goalpost and not confront the problems.

@@1DimeRadio, the Overton Window does not reflect reality, and in fact exists to prove exactly that. Just because the capitalist US empire defines Democrats as left-wing does not mean the material actions they undertake are in opposition of capitalism. categorically, they are not. This is incontrovertible, and no amount of wordplay and self-gaslighting will change that. This is my last reply to you, because you are not capable of changing your mind on this issue - your idealism won't allow it. And if your position was not developed based on reality, then nothing I can say to you regarding reality can change it. Maybe try listening to people for once instead of existing online exclusively to instruct everyone how and what to think, which just so happens to coincide with your idealist beliefs.

I made them available to Members only for certain reasons.

@1DimeRadio that's a damn shame. Hope circumstances allow you to make new ones public in the future since they were pretty good