Christian & Mormon Debate (Incredible)

[@DakotaBeh90]

We're saved by grace through faith, our works can't save us. But our works are a demonstration of our faith because faith without works is dead.

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[@johnthemessnger]

We work from salvation, not for salvation

[@BigVK19]

no matter how you spin in, no work= no salvation.

[@AD-sx7ix]

“You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone” James 2:24

[@freightshayker]

@John Richardson So, you thought about the cross and now conclude you are "saved." From what are you "saved" ? ... from committing more sin ? ... hardly.

[@deadeyeridge]

@@freightshayker AMEN

[@washburnbilly]

Yes our works are a result of Faith, not a cause for it! Because you could never earn a free gift!

[@venus4100]

I love the level of respect is kept during this debate. So many can’t do it

[@natashamiller4860]

Through Christ we all can do it...and we all should do it.

[@jonathanhurtado6625]

Yes but pastor durbin talks a bit too much and doesn’t listen well. We have to allow the person to speak in order to allow understanding .

[@MrBiggharv]

Kill that background music please!

[@ApologiaStudios]

J sav That's not possible. This is outside of the Mormon Easter Pageant in Mesa. There are about 15,000 people watching a public play.

[@MrBiggharv]

Apologia Studios understood. Thanks for being out there on the front lines. Speaking the truth in Love, and giving us an opportunity to learn from these conversations. Love the channel: God bless

[@atlantean1209]

Apologia Studios you labeled your own video “Incredible” 🙄 This debate is irritating, it’s basically just a battle over semantics.

[@YAHOOISNOTG]

@@atlantean1209 No not really, he really believed that to be saved you needed works also apart from faith.

[@scottb4509]

@@YAHOOISNOTG That is not true. Jeff often uses this idea to misrepresent the churches position on Faith and works. but it is a misrepresentation plain and simple. The LDS Church does not at all teach that we as sinners can work our way into Heaven, or that it is by any merit or deeds of our own that we gain more likelihood of being granted access into Heaven. The church affirms and reaffirms often that it is only through the power and grace of the atonement of Jesus Christ that we have any hope of entering Heaven. In 2 Nephi 25:23 we read, “for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do.” This passage has been twisted and manipulated and used as ammo against the truthfulness of the Church because at first glance it may seem to contradict the passage in Romans 3:28, which states, “we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law”, the scripture in Ephesians 2:8-9 reading, “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. However, upon closer reflection it is made more apparent that there is in fact no contradiction. In comparing Nephi’s words to that of His brother Jacob who said something very similar to Nephi, we find a key element that is often overlooked when comparing Nephi’s words to those of Paul. Jacob says in 2 Nephi 10:24 that, “after ye are reconciled unto God, that it is only in and through the grace of God that ye are saved”. The two statements, “after all we can do”, and “after ye are reconciled unto God”, indicate that all we can do is be reconciled to God, which is a reference to repentance. So all we can do in order to receive that Grace of God is to repent and have that repentance accepted by God. This concept is reaffirmed in Alma 24:11 when king of the Anti-Nephi-Lehies proclaimed, “it was all we could do to repent sufficiently before God that he would take away our stain.” Talking passed each other is a common thread i see through these conversations Jeff has with Mormons. and it is because they view doctrines and teachings on different levels of understanding. From an LDS perspective the Mainstream Christian level of understanding, of which Jeff would hold to is that from the Terrestrial perspective. it's limited and vague and doesn't ever seem to present any real detail of the how or why. the LDS level of understanding would be that from the Celestial perspective. it seeks to answer the questions and put all the pieces together about the details of how it all works and why the Lord would implement such an idea into His gospel. knowing this we can better see that there are essentially two different levels of understanding about what constitutes being saved. To a Mormon, to be truly saved is more than just admittance into Heaven, but is to have eternal life or life in the presence of God, which can only take place in the Higher level (Sun, 1 Corinthians 15:40). This is a level that can only be attained through works on top of the grace of Christ's atonement, but to many mainstream Christians, to be saved merely means, to simply receive admittance into the kingdom of heaven, not differentiating between the different degrees or levels in any way. This level of understanding doesn't necessarily include inheriting eternal life, or exaltation, or God's presence, and all that the Father has, just entrance into Heaven. That doesn't mean the mainstream Christian is wrong, it just means that their analysis is shallow and vague, while the Mormons have analyzed it on a deeper, more comprehensive level and worked out the nitty gritty details of the plan, rather than just accepting the surface idea of 'salvation equaling Heaven' and then arguing that any concept more or less detailed than that must be wrong as many mainstream Christians often do. Main stream Christians tend to lump salvation, and exaltation, and eternal life, and heaven, and God's presence, and inheriting all that the Father has into one definition, as if there is no differentiation or distinguishing details between any of them or distinguishing between the requirements to receive any of those extra things. So, while most mainstream Christians focus only on the boundary between Heaven and Outer Darkness (Hell), Mormons, who have broken down the different degrees and levels of Heaven into their different brackets according to the requirements of attaining to those different levels, are focused on all of the details of Heaven, for the purpose of working toward the highest degree of God’s kingdom possible, or a life like unto that of God’s. knowhy.bookofmormoncentral.org/knowhy/why-does-nephi-state-that-we-are-saved-by-grace-after-all-we-can-do

[@aloe83]

Yes ! I’ve been waiting for a long time for a new video like this to come out !! Great stuff 😁

[@mcdr15]

Ezequiel Ramirez right?!

[@aloe83]

Sir Alfred Lawrence this is with a lot of respect and love but I 100% disagree with you. If you’ve seen any of Jeff’s videos then you’d see just how much of a wolf Joseph Smith was

[@jonny-fi4us]

Ezequiel Ramirez Yea.....pretty sad though. God is fake and christianity is a man made religion.

[@JakeAlazoo1]

Sir Alfred Lawrence heresy.

[@JakeAlazoo1]

jonny 123 God is fake? How so.

[@nickjaramillo8005]

The bible says the works are a result of our salvation not what saves us and our salvation is secure through jesus and what he alone did this guy is lost keeps referring. To the Mormon doctrine

[@ZeroFloat.]

Works are not part of the gospel message. If you don't have works then the answer is not to produce them in order to show yourself that you are saved, the answer is to getting saved which produces works. *The work of God is this: to believe in the One He has sent.* So salvation is not something in us but outside of us. David produced wicked works, he was a murderer and fornicator, yet he was saved. Ananias and Sapphira produced bad works, yet they died as saved. The guy who fornicated with his stepmother in 1Cor5, he produced works such were unseen to the Gentiles, yet he was counted as part of the body of believers.

[@ZeroFloat.]

tim spangler, yes you are right, that is why I quoted Bible: "The work of God is this: to believe in the One He has sent." I rely on God's work not my own. I believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and I am totally satisfied what God has done. If you watch your works in order to find assurance, this is the goal you never meet. You never get to the point that you can say I am totally satisfied, my works meets the salvation I hold. So assurance and clear conscious come if you look what Christ has done for us on the cross, not our works. So Christ is my works. Abraham believed God and God counted him to be righteous. It was 25 years before Isaac. Abraham lived 25 years before he produced works. So I guess during before Isaac you can say that his faith was dead? God did not think so. Faith without works is dead faith in the eyes of men because God sees in the heart but men see only physical action/works. *No man could justify himself before God by his works* Job 25:4, Gal 3:11, Rom 3:20 etc.

[@joshlawrence8405]

Jim Caponzi the church of christ is Christianity itself, not any lone sect of Christianity

[@joshlawrence8405]

Jim Caponzi neither Mormonism or the catholic church is, the Catholic Church is part of it. When the Bible speaks of a church it's not speaking of a church denomination. It's talking to the whole body of believers.

[@joshlawrence8405]

Jim Caponzi what I'm saying is, catholics, Baptists, Anglicans, pentecostals are all part of the true church of Jesus christ, actually I would go so far as to say it comes down to the individuals not to the church they attend at all. In every denomination there are people who are true followers, and there are people who are not. If the Roman Catholic Church itself was the true church of Jesus Christ, there wouldn't be such rampant pedophilia. As well as baptisms for babies. Baptism is a choice we have to make as sinners moving on past sin by choosing life, which is God. A baby can't make that choice. Also first communion and confirmation, I went to catholic school and I wasn't allowed to take communion because I didn't do first communion through the Catholic church, even though I had been doing communion since I was a child. Jesus christ himself said if we aren't thinking of him while we are doing communion we are sinning against him. I'm not saying catholicism is evil, I'm saying Christians themselves, true Christians, are the TRUE church of Jesus christ. And they can come from any church, not Mormonism or Jehovah though.

[@westernriteorthodox8719]

May he come to the True Christ.

[@joeyfeliciano9199]

apologia men cannot convince that man for sure. apologia's sucks they don't know what they are saying

[@Cincy_Kid]

I hope you picked the true christ to follow!

[@danielc.3725]

The Apologia Men : Are trying there best, they planted a seed, now it's up to GOD to make it grow, & for us to - " PRAY, PRAY,"!! 👍, The power of PRAYER changes things.....

[@bisratamare3265]

@@joeyfeliciano9199 they arent supposed to be some intelligent History knowing scholars or anything of the sort, if you try to share the faith by your own personal knowledge its going to be a mess, you can simply tell the truth being led by the Holy Spirit. 1 Corinthians 2

[@truthgiverandfinder3246]

@@joeyfeliciano9199 how do you know that generally he's correct is a few points like the Colts that he's exposing some things that he too says that are wrong like Trinity cuz true Christians are unitary suppose both Trinity and Colts Fitbit Christianity and don't know what they're talking about and lie all the time and deceive others like Mormonism and JW's true Christians expose that as fraud just as much if not more so they also expose Trinity errors to not nearly as false but quite false enough.

[@MansterBear]

He’s technically right saying we “show it by works” but then he seems to incorporate that into justification. We “show it” after we are saved, not in order to be saved. We aren’t justified by works, we just have works afterwards, after we are justified, as an evidence of having already been granted repentance and been saved.

[@BaBumz]

That's a excuse to be evil and do whatever you want. Not what the Lord wants

[@IZZY404_]

@@BaBumz You dont understand salvation. When you get saved you lose the WANT to do evil. Thats the transformation. And if you do not have this loss of doing evil as a RESULT, Id question your repentance.

[@danielmeakin]

Not sure losing WANT for evil is exactly right. Losing identity with evil and gaining identity with Christ Jesus is closer to right I think. 23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. 24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? 25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

[@danielmeakin]

The flesh will always want evil and we do not leave the flesh until we die physically. But when we believe in Christ Jesus as our savior we are born anew in Chirst and our soul is secured in Him. According to God's will we can experience changes in our desires but I would not say that if someone still has carnal wants they are not saved as that contradicts above relation of Paul in Romans 7

[@ApolloTheGodGaming]

Wrong. Everything we do requires work. Having faith is works in itself self. It’s just not viewed that way. Turning to Christ requires faith.

[@ThomB50]

I was raised in the Mormon church. We stopped going when I was 9 years old or so. I received salvation a 6 years ago at the age of 22. It was infuriating when I would talk the Bible with fellow saints because things that I thought were part of the Bible were actually from the Book of Mormon. No worries though, through study and prayer for knowledge, I got it straightened out. Thank you Brother Jeff for these videos. My parents say they believe(I don’t think they do)and I have trouble getting through to them. Your videos really help

[@fayelewis5476]

God bless you!

[@Earl-wg1wx]

Nothing in the Book of Mormon is correct.

[@davec8117]

Imagine growing up in an openly atheist family and being a born-again Christian. It's akin to telling your family you're gay.

[@ramadossc]

Faith alone saves! But Faith that saves is not alone! It produces good work!! - Martin Luther

[@amp7816]

That is partially incorrect.

[@nw1858]

Yes, we are known by our fruit.

[@ileiniofahengaue6821]

Work is just the result of faith. We're not forced to do work to back up faith. Faith leads us to do work. If we dont do work that doesnt stop us from receiving God's Grace.

[@cripsician]

Nini Ofahengaue But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, Romans 4:5 NKJV

[@cripsician]

Yet we should be compelled, and convicted to go, share, and do good, because we love God and are grateful for His grace.

[@lionofthecherubim4486]

Nini Ofahengaue Works are necessary for salvation from the point you receive the initial Grace of God which brings you into Christ. Our works are not our own. James 2:24 King James Version (KJV) 24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

[@lionofthecherubim4486]

--__ Yes, and if one has no inkling of that compulsion he is not saved. Works are necessary for salvation post entry into Christ. Our works are not however, our own. James 2:24 King James Version (KJV) 24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

[@ileiniofahengaue6821]

--__ exactly. We are compelled to do so because our faith urges us to do so. We aren't told by God, if we don't follow up our faith with action, we dont love him.

[@shanedaroowala7139]

Please keep positing these videos! They are super helpful for those of us wanting more info on how to refute other gospels and affirm the one true gospel! God bless you!

[@jonmoonswesternnyoutdoorad5750]

Thank you apologia! My family left LDS church last June. Your videoes helped me so much to understand who God really is, how we can know Him and how we are really saved. God has opened my eyes through prayer and reading the bible. Please keep up the good work!

[@jayboaz1915]

That's awesome bro

[@fayelewis5476]

Praise the Lord!

[@jb512]

I’m sorry that u left. I hope that your heart and mind can be opened to hear the loving message of the restored gospel in the future

[@fayelewis5476]

The gospel is the same as it was in the New Testament. There is nothing that you can do to earn your salvation. Jesus Christ paid the penalty for all your sins when he died on the cross. All you need to do is humble yourself, repent of your sin and put your faith in Jesus Christ.

[@jonmoonswesternnyoutdoorad5750]

Justin Burt I can sense your genuine care. I appreciate that. I am not sorry though, the new testament teachings of Jesus Christ refutes the necessity of a restoration of the gospel. The gospel is God's power to save which is accessed by faith in Christ alone. If you read the wheat and tares, you can see the kingdom Christ brought grew from its inception until the end of the world, even amongst the tares. Jesus taught the kingdom is like a mustard seed which started as a small seed and branched out to be the largest in the garden. He said the gates of hell would not prevail against it. There is no teaching of Jesus in proper context which shows his church would fall away and need to be restored. But I do appreciate your genuine regard for me. You are a good man brother

[@mmoorrlloocckk1]

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[@repentorperish1386]

This is utter gold

[@MiguelA.Zapata]

W comment

[@TheZymbo]

We're saved by grace through faith and it is not of works, lest no man boast. I'm paraphrasing. If you live beyond your conversion, you will produce works out of unending gratitude. Some tenfold. Some twenty. Some fifty. The thief on the cross produced zero works, yet he is with our Lord Jesus Christ today. Let that sink in, legalists. Happy Passover everyone. Christ is risen!!! Jesus is Lord.

[@aliveinchrist137]

zymbo Ephesians 2:8‭-‬9 ESV: For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

[@AndrewS174]

you still need to follow the commandment of God, .john 14;15 if you love me, keep my cammnds

[@knowgodobeygod9572]

zymbo With all due respect, the letter that Paul the Apostle wrote to Ephesians are to those who have obeyed the gospel of Jesus Christ and are saved, it is not addressed for those who are sinners or to the world. You must look back at Acts 19 and see how the Church at Ephesians we’re established and were saved by grace through *faith,* by obeying the gospel of Jesus Christ. Because the bible says, "But wilt thou know, O vain man, that *faith without works is dead?"* - ‭‭James‬ ‭2:20‬‬ "And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to *Ephesus:* and finding certain disciples,...When they heard this, they were *baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus."* - ‭‭Acts‬ ‭19:-1-5‬‬ The New Testament began on the day of Pentecost (50 days after the resurrection of Jesus Christ) and Peter stood up and said, “Repent, and be baptized, every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost”. - Acts 2:38 "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned." - ‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:16‬‬ This is how one is saved from their sins, by hearing the gospel and obeying. Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God, and obeying it (Romans 10:17). The Thief on the cross died in the Old Testament, and he was saved of course. Because at that time, only the Jews were saved, for those who believed on their Messiah. "But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." - ‭‭Matthew‬ ‭10:6‬‬ "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." - ‭‭John‬ ‭3:16‬‬ When you stand before the Lord Jesus Christ on the day of Judgement and say to him, “But aren’t we saved by grace through faith and it is not of works?” He will say to you, “I gave you that faith, but you didn’t obey my gospel, so depart from me ye that work iniquity.” May the Lord open your eyes to see the truth of his Words neighbour.

[@aesir2738]

zymbo "faith without works is dead" thats in James

[@EagleZtoTheGrave]

To much is given much is expected. The thief on the cross lacked something we don't... Time. Because we know more, we have more account and are expected to do more with what we know. We have more to believe on, so based on our faith we live accordingly, but salvation is the starting point for our race, your works don't save you before then but they get taken into account AFTER salvation, which are reflection of faith, run the race.

[@Smartalec1201]

Jeff: “Do you read koine Greek?” Mormon: “who?” Is it bad that I laughed at that?

[@freightshayker]

No. It's bad that you don't recognize that Jeff Durbin and his friend are trying to sell the idea that justification is the entirety of salvation. When's the last time you heard Jeff Durbin say salvation is: justification, sanctification and glorification ? As well. When's the last time you heard Jeff Durbin talk about the difference between titles baptism and baptism in the name of Jesus ? When's the last time you heard Jeff Durbin talk about foot washing ? And you wonder why the passage says: My people perish for lack of knowledge.

[@mykidsfather6112]

Alec T Gibson no it’s only bad if you believe either one of then....if you do, is it bad that I’d laugh at you?

[@heatherl4013]

@@freightshayker foot washing?? What about choking on a gnat and swallowing a camel?

[@freightshayker]

@@heatherl4013 Matthew 23: v24 thru v26 ... Ye blind guides which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel. Woe unto you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites ! For ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess. Thou blind Pharisee cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter that the outside of them may be clean also. Teaching one thing yet doing another thing in one's own life, that's bad leaven. Lord Jesus says beware leaven of the Pharisees in Matthew 16. Luke 18: v9 thru v14 has Lord Jesus warning with a parable about a Pharisee which exhalted himself fasting from food twice per week. Lord Jesus says in Matthew 6: v31 not to worry about food, drink or clothing. Fasting only twice per week compared to living on faith that Lord Jesus will give you food when He is ready. That is living on faith, a difference between holiness and righteousness. Remember. Lord Jesus fasted forty-days in the wilderness after demonstrating how to be born again of water and Spirit. Moses fasted forty-days twice in Deuteronomy 9: v9 an v18 each time before going up to the Lord on Mt. Horeb. And Lord Jesus reminds His disciples that a certain demon cannot come out but by prayer and fasting in Matthew 17: v21. No question, the importance of fasting. Mark 12: v41 thru v44 ... Lord Jesus says giving all of one's money compared to being able to easily give ten-percent out of the abundance. That is a difference between holiness and righteousness. Lord Jesus says be holy because He is holy in Leviticus 11: v45 Lord Jesus says to John the Baptist: Permitted at this time to fulfill all righteousness in Matthew 3: v15 Paul rebaptizes the twelve in Ephesus in Acts 19: v1 thru v7. Why would Paul rebaptize those twelve in Ephesus who were already water baptized in John the Baptist's baptism ? ... why wouldn't Paul just lay hands on them so they would receive the Holy Spirit ? Answer: John the Baptist's baptism can be considered simple righteousness in comparison to the holiness of being water baptized in the name of Jesus. Be born again of water and Spirit: Man of God. Not woman of God but a man of God who dunks you under water completely declaring exactly, "I baptize you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins." Titles baptism: "I baptize you in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit/Ghost for the remission of sins." Titles baptism is incomplete because it does not use the name of Jesus. Titles baptism is a modern day equivalent to John the Baptist's baptism. John The Baptist did not baptize using the name of Jesus, so we look to Acts 19: v1 thru v7 to see Paul completing our understanding that water baptism must be performed using the name of Lord Jesus. All the Apostles went out and performed miracles and water-baptisms using the name of Jesus Christ as well. The only way Matthew 28: v19 and Acts 19: v1 thru v7 and Acts 2: v38 can be reconciled is with the understanding Lord Jesus is Father Jesus. Lord Jesus is Father, Son, and Spirit. Lord Jesus has hundreds of titles, more titles than any other leader in history. Father, Son, and Spirit are just three of Jesus' titles. Before you go to that man of God, ask him if he knows the difference between titles baptism and baptism in the name of Jesus. If he doesn't then find someone who does. Apostolic Pentecostals know what is proper water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ. You don't have to consider yourself an Apostolic Pentacostal just because you were water baptized by an Apostolic Pentacostal minister. You are being born again into Lord Jesus and His church, and Apostolic Pentacostal ministers are the few men of God who understand the importance of using the name of Jesus. Lord Jesus was, is and will always be a Jew Who said follow Him. Lord Jesus never talked about groups or denominations. And it was people in Antioch who first called Lord Jesus' followers Christians. So the first Christians were Jews. And we gentiles who are born again of water and Spirit are grafted into the Jewish faith and can just as easily be broken off and cast into the fire if we don't produce good works. And if the only good work a person can do is pray ? ... then that is indeed a righteous work which is commanded by Lord Jesus. So, after you are born again of water and Spirit, and you want to call yourself a Messianic-Jew, or an Apostolic Pentacostal, or a Christian ... so be it. I choose to call myself a born again believer in Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth Who is the one and only Lord God of Heaven. Remember, the oldest doctrine in the Holy Bible: God is one. Amen. And either before [Acts 10: v44] or after [Acts 19: v6] your water baptism of repentance, you will receive a second and separate Spiritual baptism. Once you have both water and Spiritual baptisms ... Congratulations, consider yourself born-again of water and Spirit. But that is just a beginning, it's not a guaranteed ticket to heaven because a person can always walk away from their faith by their own free will. Or just as tragic, a person's free will can let them backslide into sin and lukewarm-ness. To avoid those dangers believers must be in an ongoing relationship with Lord Jesus, meaning a cooperation. Among other things, believers must study and share His truth of the Holy Bible with others. When we sin after being water baptized we are to have our feet washed as commanded and demonstrated by Lord Jesus at the Lord's Supper. As well. Fasting from food and other things along with prayer is a must. As singers would say, in harmony. Amen. Don't tell people you're "saved." Instead tell people you began-to-be-saved, are being-saved, and will-be-saved as when Lord Jesus returns in glory or He calls one home before that incredible event.

[@symbol__]

@Wong Washer chapter and verse?

[@jamespboykin]

Simple question I asked morman missionaries... what works did the thief nailed to the cross do? But Jesus told him today you will be with me in paradise! Its not about what you do...It is about what he has done... I live in the valley and would love to join you guys one day!

[@scottmccaig6185]

that was the same question I was hoping would be asked.

[@Rammy42069]

James Boykin you should keep reading the bible because when Jesus died he went and preached to the dead who hadn't learned about the word of God. That thief yes accepted Jesus but when he died obviously had to be taught the gospel and then if accepted he then had to do some work. Jesus said we have to be baptized in order to enter into heaven So yes there are things you need to do

[@jamespboykin]

Rsmdizz Dunski cite scriptural reference please

[@morondefender84]

I like to ask retarded religious fuckwits why I should listen to what they say God or the Bible says. Then I inform them that I am God's only chosen spokesperson, but for some reason, I'm supposed to believe the bullshit they spew when they won't even entertain the bullshit I spew. Weird how that works.

[@Rammy42069]

James Boykin paradise isn't heaven dude. If you would keep reading your bible You would read that after Jesus died he went to teach to the spirits in PRISON. So yeah when the thief died he went to paradise cause he believed in Jesus. There is a place where all the spirits go to wait for the resurrection and the final judgment. There is paradise for the good and prison for the bad.

[@michaelserour1359]

Im so happy these videos are back!

[@evelynjenkins9204]

That music is stressing me out

[@sarahd5341]

Me too 🙉

[@alexandralaye41]

Me three!

[@kit3423]

Me 4

[@zertmcdirt7843]

Me 5

[@aaronraynor7703]

Me 6

[@jordanmarshall8397]

When you hear Jeff say under his breath "that's a false gospel"... you know he's about to go in deep with this guy. XD

[@vanessaparvin3295]

I love Jeff Durbin!

[@truthgiverandfinder3246]

And they don't even have a gospel at all. When Jeff preaches them he's actually giving them a gospel with the word actually has a meaning and if the word actually exists the word gospel actually exist. And he also gives them theology basic theology christian wise which suffice es but yes that basic God belief that which their satanic cult leader Smith rejected at the end of his life amazingly another words he went atheist.

[@geoffreypalmer2661]

when he says thats a false gospel he is a stupid asshole

[@Scheese09]

That crescendo of music as Jeff is going over Abraham is timed perfectly!!!

[@cheerfulmouse]

Yep! Glad I finally saw a comment on the most obvious thing of the video to me!! Maybe I've been watching too much Ray Comfort just witnessing channel lately 😂

[@macattack2554]

Awesome dialogue. Wish that annoying religious music wasn't in the background. Bible twisting is hard and sad to hear coming out of a Mormons mouth. They are blindly passionate people , pray for them church.

[@BigVK19]

As a Jewish Rabbi said (Rabbi Tovia Singer), God created Mormons so that Christians can understand how the Orthodox Jews feel.

[@ThomB50]

Salvation begins before works.

[@stevenagood1159]

I know Christ saved all of us from Physical death but what about spiritual death? Are all murderers saved too?

[@washburnbilly]

@@stevenagood1159 You have been misled, God is willing that non should perish but have everlasting life. But in that you must have faith in His life, death and ressurection!

[@stevenagood1159]

@@washburnbilly So basically I can kill all I want and not worry about going to hell?

[@washburnbilly]

@@stevenagood1159 not at all! You have been led down a path of deceit to even think this my friend! We gotta stick to what is actually said in the actual Bible. There's a huge difference between that church and the word of the Bible!

[@washburnbilly]

@@stevenagood1159 kzbin.info/www/bejne/pIWTZKpvr9uhqdk

[@makarapullen3487]

brother thank you for standing your ground in JESUS CHRIST! ALONE AND NONE OTHER! THE BOOK OF MORMON HAS CHANGE EVERYTHING THE BIBLE SAYS

[@JohnSon-ug6or]

The Book of Mormon is a book of scripture that teaches about Jesus Christ and tells of His visit to the ancient Americas over 2000 years ago. Jesus Christ in fact built a boat, walked on water, walked on the ocean floor, flew in spirit throught the clouds and then teleported to America over 2000 years ago. Superior Mormon Jesus Christ was the first white guy to discover America over 2000 years ago. Christian and Catholic Jesus Christ couldn't do all of that.

[@makarapullen3487]

the book of Mormon is not from GOD for the very fact that they teach that black people are the curse from GOD this is a lie from satan! false teaching, Jesus warn us if any men come after if and say he is a prophet of GOD do not follow him!

[@CommandoJenkins]

@@JohnSon-ug6or You believe that crap? It's so far fetched, and delusional. The true Christ is Jesus, the son of Yahweh.

[@kelletttothechad]

Love the climax of the music in the background was in sync with Jeff’s ultimate point of Abraham’s faith being prior to circumcision! As a Reformed Believer, I know God pre-ordained that timing! :P

[@BrianKTran]

@chad Kellett This is the comment everyone looks for after watching this debate💯🎼📖💯🎼📖💯🎼📖

[@cheerfulmouse]

Absolutely beautiful ❤️

[@michaelgonzales1365]

Mormons are often very sweet people. Just hope their scales fall from their eyes

[@Datrebor]

@Jim Caponzi I have just watched a video about the end times the current Pope and Roman Catholic Church. kzbin.info/www/bejne/ooCVfKmngNJ5qcU You might want to check it out. I myself don't know enough to really argue about it. I believe that because of the Grace of God through the Blood of Jesus Christ that I am saved.

[@grandpaje4734]

You can see that Jim Caponzy is very immature. His mouth make comment as a Catholic, but his action is far from it. Hey Jim, I hope you read my comment. You are giving Catholic bad name! I doubt that you are Catholic. Your strategy is trying both Mormons and Catholic hating each other. Nice try huh? But it won't work dude.. So don't be deceived by Jim Caponzi 😈👿👿

[@restfulsounds3992]

@@Datrebor do ye suppose that mercy can rob justice? I say unto you, nay; not one whit. If so, God would cease to be God.

[@Datrebor]

@@restfulsounds3992 Do you even know the Bible? That was the only reason that Jesus came to earth was to save Sinners. By the Grace from God and the Blood of Jesus we are saved. By accepting Jesus Christ in our lives our sins are forgiven and when God looks at us He does not see our Unrighteousness but the Righteousness of Jesus.

[@gabrielgarcia367]

That was a good discussion. Even as Christians, we should be asking questions like this man.

[@gc1599]

I love these debates!! Please do more, more often!

[@damianbennett5329]

so do I , proves all religions are man made, no one can agree ....no evidence, just claim after claim from a horrible book, mass murder, killing babies and mothers in Noah's flood, slavery condoned; all religions just cherry pick the nice bits in their made up book

[@TheNextPolamalu]

Love the illustration Jeff creates when talking about Abraham having faith before ever doing any type of work. Never thought about it like that, great way to explain that to Mormons

[@el3389]

At the start of the video I could see this man's heart. It's so pure and justified in Christ. Awesome viedo.

[@fringelife2613]

"It was his voice that saved me". AMEN-

[@luvmorrisey20]

I believe in Christ and I’m a post-Mormon.

[@sabcam2000]

Well done. God bless you.

[@BigVK19]

Well, good for you. But I would submit that post Christ is even better.

[@rachelmarks6806]

Me too

[@truthgiverandfinder3246]

Now you really do believe in him

[@braedanmitchell3794]

Could you give me your story? I wanna know what changed in your mind to help me better talk to Mormons!

[@truthgodson2990]

Faith without works is dead

[@dyerseve07]

And you are dead if you work but have no faith.

[@missminti]

Faith is pointless if you had actual evidence of god. But you don’t. No one does.

[@WondurLand64s]

@@missminti God says the fact that you are alive witnessing creation is proof of his glory. We just choose to deny him. When we are judged we will be without excuse.

[@Bibliotechno]

Yes there is a false extreme of say the sinners prayer and all will be well. That's a faith that does not work!

[@protruth1]

A. Minty I have all kinds of evidence of God what do you mean? i’ve been born again by his spirit, baptized in the Holy Spirit, i have cast out devils, I have been healed, saved and delivered, what do you mean no evidence lol

[@Jay-nf1yi]

I've been obsessed with this channel lately and this content. It's going through my homepage getting it recommended and shocked I haven't watched this yet.

[@KJB-fw4si]

“But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.” ‭‭Romans‬ ‭4:5‬ ‭ It’s that simple? All you have to do is believe on the Lord Jesus Christ! Acts 16:31

[@gogmarinov]

And when you receive mercy and the Spirit, you also receive the responsibility to be faithful. If you continue willfully in sin after the knowledge of the Truth, there remains no more sacrifice to cover your sin.

[@todd3502]

Law of obedience to God to enter into the kingdom of heaven. Stop cuting out scriptures. Heb 5:8-9 - Obedience required for salvation Phil 2:12 - Work out your own salvation Heb 11:1 - Faith is substance, evidence Luke 10:27 - Love God with all your strength John 17:3 - Know God to gain eternal life 1 John 2:3-6 - How do we know him? Mark 16:16 - Must be baptized to be saved Rom 6:22 - Become servants, then gift James 2:14-17 - Can faith alone save? John 14:15 - Love me? Keep commandments John 15:10 - Conditional promise Jude 1:21 - Keep yourself in the love of God Luke 18:18,22,27 - Follow Him 2 Peter 1:1-11 Add to your faith 2 Tim 4:7 - Paul fought the good fight Mark 13:13 - Endure and be saved Matt 5:48 - Be perfect like Heavenly Father Matt 22: 36-40 - Love God and neighbor Matt 11:28-30 - Take yoke, burden is light Matt 16:24 - Take up cross and follow Matt 5:14-16 - Let your light so shine John 8:12 - Follow Him John 14:6 - The way Matt 19:16-22 - Follow Him for eternal life Matt 25:1-12 - 5 virgins didn’t prepare/work

[@KJB-fw4si]

todd stadel Not cutting out any scripture either the whole Bible is true or it’s all a lie..... explain Romans 4:5 you fool stop trying to work your way to heaven Ephesians 2:8-9 literally says “NOT OF WORKS” you need help Acts 16:31 Paul says all we have to do is “BELIEVE ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AND WE WILL BE SAVED” if your saying we must work our way to heaven you disagree with the apostle Paul Explain to me Romans 4:5 “To him that worketh NOT” please explain are you calling Paul a liar? Remember Paul is the apostle to the GENTILES! Jesus only came to the lost sheep of the house of Israel (Matthew 15:24) But please explain Romans 4:5

[@todd3502]

Who's working there way to heaven. We do because we believe. We hope because we have faith in Jesus. We work by picking up our own crosses and following Christ. He is the mediator between us and the Father.

[@KJB-fw4si]

todd stadel Yes correct we do because we believe and are saved once you are saved you want to do those works! But the works don’t save you! Ephesians 2:8-9 we are saved by grace through faith! NOT OF WORKS! Paul says in Acts 16:31 all you have to do is believe on the Lord Jesus Christ to be saved! Again I’ll ask you please explain Romans 4:5!

[@davec8117]

NIV Study Bible: James 2:14 "to use John Calvins words...'People are declared richeous before God by faith alone.' Genuine faith in Christ produces good deeds."

[@jameswheat4225]

Jeff's gifted by God to build the kingdom, beautiful to watch God work through him

[@vanessaparvin3295]

Perfectly said. He's been anointed!

[@ronburhans5788]

We are saved by faith alone And Justified by faith alone. After we are saved we show our faith and the evidence of our faith by works, Works shows we have faith. We will be judged by our worksBut not saved by them. Like the body without breath is dead so faith without evidence is dead also.

[@AMDpc067]

You do have works, we have more works than we know

[@GaryThomsonJoinery]

Thank you Lord, This Guy is very close to the penny dropping,

[@cripsician]

Gary Thomson Joinery Magical moron underwear.. craziness! As man is, God once was, and God is, man can become.. “You are My witnesses,” says the Lord , “And My servant whom I have chosen, That you may know and believe Me, And understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, Nor shall there be after Me. Isaiah 43:10 NKJV

[@GaryThomsonJoinery]

--__ Yes that’s beautiful, Amen to that.

[@jonmoonswesternnyoutdoorad5750]

Thats weird. He said he has thrown everythung the lds church taught him, but the says he believes the book of Mormon and in joseph smith. Dont get that

[@octanemain7627]

If ur not .ormon u won't understand it

[@alfredomoreno301]

He is an apostate according to our mormon language. He has made himself a light above the light he has received. he is like a candle mocking the sun. LOL

[@Empridon]

WOOOHOOO love these type of apologetic type videos especially from you guys jeff durbin your awesome!

[@LiquidTree555]

Empridon agreed!

[@familyfun2147]

I really wanted to hear why this gentleman still believes in Joseph Smith…he started to explain that his belief was based upon Smith being murdered by his brethren (and then the video ends). I am curious to hear the rest…

[@jonahatch]

Really good conversation. I pray the Lord will change his heart to repentance.

[@cdaprice3416]

This is awesome. Trying to witness to a young woman who lives in a Mormon home with a very strict and religion devoted mother who loves her and truly believes she’s doing the best for her. Im trying to show her the truth from Scripture about Jesus Christ. It’s hard because she claims that she’s already saved but I can tell she isn’t. Has that ‘works’ mentality so deeply ingrained in her and her works are beautiful and generous, but they’re just that - works

[@rogersalcedo5638]

John 14:15, John 3:16 Basically is this if we choose to fallow Our Lord we have to keep his commandments ( this mean to do something right) Gods Faith is active meaning do Acts of and through Faith

[@johnw1255]

God bless you all Jesus Christ loves you all my prayers are with you brothers and sisters Jesus is the messiah

[@Lucas-td7jc]

Much respect to you Jeff. Keep up the good work.

[@erickcocks265]

I would be curious to know why he still believes in Joseph Smith, and the book of Mormon. A curious thing I always welcomed jw, and lds groups into my home when they would stop by. Once they asked me to pray if Joseph Smith was really a prophet. The LORD told me it didn't matter. What matters is who is your savior.

[@marybarratt9321]

EVEN our choice to accept Christ as personal Lord & Savior comes from him, we don't activate ANYTHING! The only thing we bring to our salvation is the sin that facilitated the cross! PERIOD!

[@jehanmartinez868]

So he's a self proclaimed ex mormon who left the church but still holds on to the teachings of mormonism and Joseph Smith?

[@yodasoja2011]

The way I think he means it is that he believes the true teachings of Joseph Smith, but doesn't identify with the Mormon church because he believes them to be corrupt

[@heresmytake2782]

yeah , that was weird...

[@sigguy1361]

I see where the young man is coming from on this, though he isn't explaining himself well. He's saying that we are called to do work for the Lord once we are saved, and I agree with that. We should receive the gift of salvation, and we should then go out into the world and spread the Good News (works) but still keeping in mind that we are saved by our faith, not by works alone (Romans 3)

[@alfredomoreno301]

the works that you are speaking should be the ones of ordinances of salvation, like baptism and receiving the gift of the holy ghost under the hands of melquisedec priesthood that these young men have. when you say that only thru your faith, you on purpose are teaching or asking people to ignore that the ordinances of salvation where instituted by the lord himself. You also must be send with authority to preach and not take it upon yourself to do it. and if you did not receive authority from one holding it, why are you sending yourself.

[@Jay-sg2ko]

How is this a debate with a Mormon if he says he isn’t LDS ?

[@anthonyb.2876]

I apologize if it's been mentioned or if I'm being insensitive, but the music makes it impossible for me to concentrate. Was it in the background or was it added later?

[@fayelewis5476]

in the background

[@smakinem7792]

Loved the Facebook live! God bless you guys!

[@richardwest6593]

Jesus said; "which is easier to say? Your sins are forgiven, or rise up, pick up your bed and walk?"

[@nuttybangerz]

Really great interaction between two different testimonies. Love to see it.

[@Rinebo]

So glad I watched this! What a great guy to witness to!

[@LegacyInBlood]

Awesome!!! Keep uploading!!

[@AshGeo]

Grace literally means God’s love in action towards men who merited the opposite of love

[@joshuaperry2388]

Question? At the end he says God bless you. Is this correct to say even though he is coming with a different gospel. And if we are not suppose to say God bless you then what is something we should say?

[@blake9908]

The blessing given is a call to repentance probably.

[@JiroAKA]

I'm trying to turn my gf into a Christian please pray for her

[@Michael-vr3xn]

GamingBeast try fasting and praying.

[@robertrosskopf4641]

Is she not saved by grace?

[@JiroAKA]

@@andrewblack5791 what r u talking about.... im a boy!

[@JiroAKA]

@@andrewblack5791 :(

[@snicfeelthelove2069]

sir, if you try to turn your gf to Christian you won't succeed, but if you let Lord Jesus Christ work through you, He will succeed. Root in God Word - the Bible and pray, lot's of praying. Show her LOVE like Lord Jesus Christ showed the LOVE to us. we are to love one another, not to convert people.

[@lawrtimle6689]

Hi.. How do i receive training? Pretty interested here,, Thanks

[@fayelewis5476]

Watch Ray Comfort.

[@hotwaterintub1]

My brother is a Mormon and said I WILL accept Joseph Smith. No way will I ever. I go with Jesus by faith. And not his Jesus.

[@ugochukwuifezulumba4136]

Just to clarify as the video showed Faith without works is dead was referring to believers who thought they were saved but they weren’t because they were living in sin

[@nicolacooke7681]

It says in the bible, to be a Christ follower we be a Christian. Not a catholic, Mormon, Muslim, Jew. We follow Christ, he is the only way. Through him he is my saviour xxxxx ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

[@aaronraynor7703]

Where does it say that?

[@nicolacooke7681]

1 Peter 4:16 Yet if anyone suffers as a CHRISTIAN, let him not be ashamed, but let him glorify God in that name Acts 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him to Antioch. For a whole year they met with the church and taught a great many people. And in Antioch the disciples were first called CHRISTIANS.

[@sonsofthunderd.p7401]

God bless you jeff and your ministry

[@minnie8996]

I'm mormon, and I don't go to church due to time issues. I of course live in Utah but I am only am watching these types of videos so I can see other sides of things. And I dont know why I'm writing this comment at this point!! xD

[@soullessmeatpuppet7840]

It's probably because you're questioning your Mormon beliefs and are reaching out to find another way. That way is through Christ the LIVING God. ♥️🙏♥️

[@alexc.7245]

Galatians 1:6-8 CJB translation: 6 I am astounded that you are so quick to remove yourselves from me, the one who called you by the Messiah’s grace, and turn to some other supposedly “Good News,” 7 which is not good news at all! What is really happening is that certain people are pestering you and trying to pervert the genuine Good News of the Messiah. 8 But even if we - or, for that matter, an angel from heaven! - were to announce to you some so-called “Good News” contrary to the Good News we did announce to you, let him be under a curse forever!

[@ThistlesJones]

Hats off to the team working with this gentleman. He was kind of hard to follow. Thank you Jeff for being able to sharpshoot his statements to get to the real point of consternation and putting things into the proper context. It is obvious that this gentleman is still at heart a Mormon.

[@lunaquinn8804]

"so we're getting old testament" Sure; Job was both faithful and did his duty

[@Ankita-vr8ri]

but then Job never talked that i am good he said its God who has given him prosperity and its ok he can take it

[@thenowchurch6419]

That guy is fighting tooth and nail for works salvation. He does not know the real Christ who provides real salvation by our genuine faith because he grew up in a legalistic culture that is outer directed. Just like Seventh Day Adventists insisting on obedience to the letter of the Sabbath Law as the ultimate seal of Salvation.

[@SupremeOverkill]

Works don't beget faith. Faith begets works.

[@mitchellkarl6382]

We are saved by Faith alone, but the kind of faith James speaks of always yields good works.

[@othnielhinckson1058]

Jeff is arguing works of the law. Abraham was not justified by works of law, but by faith in God. But his faith was proven by works. There is no arguing that reality. Sometimes I think we get settled on trying to disprove a certain theology that it is easy to miss even what Jesus is saying. Then Jesus said to His disciples, "If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me. - Matthew 16:24 I am hearing works right there. Three things that we are asked to do in order to come after Jesus. Now after John was put in prison, Jesus came to Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand. Repent, and believe in the gospel." - Mark 1:14-15 Two more thing that Jesus requires of us. Jesus clearly called people to do things, and this was before He shed His blood for sins. He called people to believe, but he also called them to do. Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works and glorify your Father in heaven. - Matthew 5:16 James 2:17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead. Jas 2:20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead? Jas 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? Jas 2:22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? Jas 2:23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, "ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS ACCOUNTED TO HIM FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS." And he was called the friend of God. Jas 2:24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only. oops The hang up here is that works of law does not produce justification. Which is what Paul said. Works of law. A work of obedience to Christ Jesus well that is a work of the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus, Romans 8. Revelation 2 and 3 shows us that obedience to Christ is important. He pronounced judgment on these Christians if they did not repent. Obedience is better than sacrifice. Peace!

[@lalumierehuguenote]

Othniel Hinckson no...

[@othnielhinckson1058]

Kendhal you make a great point?????????

[@lalumierehuguenote]

my pleasure

[@TheSmackdwn]

On point!!

[@swamislocal1]

The simplest and best way I've heard this cleared up is by letting telling people not to confuse the "root" (faith) of salvation with the "fruit' (works) of salvation. The parable of the sower is applicable here since the word is considered a seed.

[@julieclemons6701]

Stunning package! Thunder rumbles in beginning: a bunch of well-catechised bearded guys talk grace on the street to temple tunes!

[@arnoldbetancourt6887]

Thank you for the teaching, reaching, and leaning to Christ with these videos!!!

[@themcooke1477]

On the contrary, I think the music is just right for this conversation haha.

[@josephbowman9504]

Meg lol I thought it made it more exciting myself.

[@omarsharif927]

Meg it's just too loud at points I couldn't hear

[@nickbarillamusic2566]

Meg glad someone else has some taste too! Lol

[@ubersane9090]

I think they should have made the music louder.

[@elayneblystone7889]

Please help me out. Is John Dehlin a believer in Jesus as His personal Saviour? He seems to have so many issues with Mormonism but yet is stil considers himself l a member although ex- communicated? Have you ever debated with him? I thought he was working to help ex Mormons find faith in the real Jesus. But now I think not. Is he a reformer of LDS doctrine?

[@alfredomoreno301]

Reformer? not even close to historian or writer of anything that has a sound foundation of truth. He is like millions a believer in Christ. but one that makes it easier for him to bearly touch water but not fully engage in it.

[@chrise.2666]

Romans 4:5 but to him that worketh not but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly his faith is counted for righteousness

[@BigVK19]

I'm an ex Christian, now an unbeliever, but what did me in, among other things, is realization that God changes his mind according to the Bible. And his promises could have a hidden condition, sometimes not so hidden. For instance, what was the prophet Jonah supposed to preach to Nineveh? that in 40 days they will be destroyed. But prophet Jonah, as the story goes, did not want to preach that because he realized Nineveh won't be destroyed IF they repented. Ultimately, he was right. So, what ended up happening is the opposite of what he was told to preach to them. Look at a similar thing in Ezekiel 33:13 When I say to the righteous he will **surely live**, and he so trusts in his righteousness that he commits iniquity, none of his righteous deeds will be remembered; but in that same iniquity of his which he has committed **he will die.** Your comment is akin to this righteous man running around and telling others that he has a word from the Lord himself that he will SURELY live. He can look up and debate the meaning of the words surely and live until he is blue in the face, but the problem is there is a condition that he must follow or will NOT surely live.

[@darrinpenner758]

Thanks for the video Jeff, just a quick question. What about James 2:24? "You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone" I believe we are saved by grace through faith but how do you explain what James is saying?

[@ChristsArmoredSoldier]

Beautifully done. God bless Apologia Church!

[@ballardfx1140]

endlesselders.blogspot.com/2018/01/evidence-of-true-church-of-jesus-christ.html

[@averyhappywoman]

Love you Mandon! Wish more people would be open to hear the words of The Living God, and about ALL His words, as have been written by All the Prophets and Servants of All ages. Sad to see people in the comments here (and even in the video) judging a man for believing the Book of Mormon, as if Christians didn't believe the Apocrypha or other para-biblical texts. Love the knuckle-bump!!!

[@suzicares2721]

Paula Norris I've been a Christian, saved by grace, for 50 years & have never heard of an acrocrypha.

[@adamflake3276]

I have a genuine question I hope can be answered with genuine answers: What do christians (or at least those similar to the ones in this video) believe allows someone into heaven? As someone who has just left the mormon church (part of the reason I've come upon this video) I think the "faith without works is dead" is a pretty much a no brainer still. I believe that people should still be judged by their actions, as well as their faith. Do they believe so long as you have faith you can act as you will, but because you have faith you deserve heaven? I'm not trying to slander I just want a straightforward answer so I know.

[@unfinishedgenius3791]

Hello friend. Thank you for asking this. Ephesians 2:8‭-‬9 ESV says "For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast." Romans 3:23-25a says "...for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith..." Romans 3:28 "For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law." Romans 10:8‭-‬11 says the following But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith that we proclaim); because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved. For the Scripture says, “Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame.” Also, here is another similar video. I think it discusses the "faith without works is dead" topic. kzbin.info/www/bejne/mH_cZqyLiq-kiqc Please reach out if anyone has questions. Trust in Jesus for His gift of grace. :) 1-405-445-8569 bible.com/bible/59/rom.3.28.ESV

[@Sundayschoolnetwork]

Spend some time reading the book of Galatians. We trust in Jesus and his work on the cross to pay our sin debt. Someone who places his or her faith in Christ receives the Holy Spirit. The Lord then begins changing your desires to want to obey. If someone doesn't seek to obey, he or she should examine their faith. True faith, produces good works.

[@1977Jackofalltrades]

Hey Adam, good question and congratulations on stepping away from LDS theology. Works absolutely matter as they bear witness to the gift we have received. They are the fruit of regeneration, but not the cause of it. We, as sinful humans who are born into sin and at enmity with God will never “deserve” Heaven. To deserve something is to merit it, to earn it. The only way we could do that is to live a life of perfect obedience, which we have not and can not do. Christ did that for us, and through His obedience and His sacrifice we can be reconciled to God. A genuine saving faith is accompanied by good works, and we are still held accountable for our actions. But it is Christ’s righteousness that is imputed to us and our sin that is imputed to Him, that satisfies the righteous wrath of God. He is the propitiation for our sins. We are saved by works, but it’s the work of Christ, not us, that saved us. You can’t earn a gift, but you can show gratitude afterwards.

[@rustyshackleford2410]

Christ tells us: pick up your cross and follow me. The reformed say to Christ … works based false gospel! I’m going to listen to Christ not these guys that made up their own church w few centuries back.

[@gladiator8324]

We work because we are saved not to be saved

[@tinkrbelle9]

gladiator8324 being saved is not a one time event but a way of living, I was saved yesterday, I am being saved today in this moment and I hope to be saved tomorrow

[@jacobmartinez9671]

@@tinkrbelle9 That makes no sense. Just by your saying "I hope to be saved tomorrow" begs the question if you really are "saved", that are you justified before God.

[@andys3035]

@@tinkrbelle9 that's not biblical salvation. You are given the guarantee of salvation through the finished work of the cross but we are called to a life of devotion and service. You don't need to get saved everyday. That makes God wishy washy.

[@Leoji67]

Jeff, any follow up from him?

[@zertmcdirt7843]

No.

[@TacticallyFitOfficial]

From what I take away the big guy is saying we must believe and do works to be saved. Jeff is saying we are saved by grace and believing THEREFOR we do good works. The Gospel is about us being saved SO IN RESPONSE we do good works and walk away from our sin.

[@veronicaortiz1343]

I would like to ask what is the book you are always carrying around beside the Bible pastor Jeff ? I am curious

[@jlfcpa]

Probably a tract or Greek bible.

[@sealedsecure3754]

If only Jeff realized that a changed life is not proof of being saved...this is where calvinists error and soil the gospel of grace alone..non the less, love Jeff and the dialogs👍

[@protruth1]

sealed secure I also don’t believe in Calvinism but I disagree with you that a changed life is not proof of salvation, when that change comes through becoming born again and having your nature changed by God.

[@sealedsecure3754]

@@protruth1 A changed life can be and should be a RESULT of salvation, but it is not the proof of salvation. Example, a saved person can get into a car accident, and get prescribed pain meds. This saved person could end up addicted to these pain meds and get to a point where they aren't serving the Lord because they are constantly withdrawing from opiates and wanting to feel better. They desire to serve the Lord like they use to but fell into a big struggle and picked up other worldly behaviors . Other Christians see this person and and have no idea that this person is a christian outwardly. We all fall short in our behavior in some way, so to say that an outward changed life is the proof of salvation is silly. If you ask me for proof of my salvation, I'll explain to you the gospel msg that saved me. Period. Proof is in what you believe, who your trusting in. You ,or Him alone?

[@protruth1]

sealed secure it’s a good tree bears good fruit. No such thing as a Christian tree not bearing fruit.

[@sealedsecure3754]

@@protruth1 Also, I do believe that once you are born again you have a new nature👍 in this sense , yes, your inward life is changed. You are now spiritually alive and changed forever. This is separate from what Calvinists teach. They teach that your outward changed life is proof of salvation. I disagree because of the gospel and my first comment explanation.

[@sealedsecure3754]

@@protruth1 Remember, all good works done , are not us but Christs through us Galatians 2:20-21. All glory goes to Him and His work through us. If a person gets saved and for whatever reason doesn't do good works, they will reap the consequences, and correction, but in no way does that mean they aren't saved. Salvation is by God's grace in the first place. Grace is a gift, grace is unmerited favor. Ephesians 2:8-9. We should walk in the works we were appointed to walk in but we fail a lot. Also remember, every believer weather faithful in works or not, still brought fourth good fruit the moment they believed. Every saved person already did the will of the Father before they went on to outwardly do works.what is the will of the Father for you and me?to believe on the Son, and that Jesus loses none of us😊... "And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day." John 6:39 KJV "And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day." John 6:40‭, ‬44 KJV

[@darkmephilez]

Glad you guys helped this homeless man express his beliefs

[@keroy4588]

You are saved by Grace through Faith, if You truly appreciate that I dont think you won't do the Great Commission. Correct me if im wrong.

[@keroy4588]

Jim Caponzi no sir, im a disciple.

[@keroy4588]

Jim Caponzi how bout you sir?

[@fayelewis5476]

How do you reconcile your filthy language? Is that how Jesus would talk?

[@scottdfsaf4997]

I'm a Mormon, what of it? Faith without works is dead. What does that mean to you? Good luck explaining that to fit your theology that doing good works denies the grace of God. Do no works and you show no faith in your savior. I'm a Mormon and I'm grateful I found the Lord's restored church with temples to do saving work for the dead. 1 Corinthians 15:29. You all hate Mormons but while you sit on your couch boasting you are saved because you believe Christ saved you regardless of your deeds, Morman teenagers are traveling the globe to bring souls to Christ, and to baptize in his name, while also serving the temporal needs of those in the communities they are guests.

[@CommandoJenkins]

@@fayelewis5476 How do you look at the speck in your brothers eye but disregard the beam in your own eye.

[@mandonf]

By the way, where is the rest of the conversation? I talked about a lot of other things with you guys. Why did you exclude all that from the video?

[@OceanMikey]

A Mormon here😀 I have read the New Testament about 30ish times and the Book of Mormon about 28 times, I heard every argument against the church (I may have missed 1 or 2 but am willing to listen) and I still believe 100% that the church is true. When Jesus was here the Sadducees and Pharisees and many of the priests did not care to hear what Jesus had to say, they just wanted try and prove him wrong because they did not understand and would not listen. It seems now days that most people look to prove the Book of Mormon wrong by using the Bible in the same manner the Jews used the Old Testament against Jesus. It is fascinating the parallels between the 2 types of people. If you read the Book of Mormon it says that 2 Nephi 25:26 and we talk of Christ we rejoice in Christ, and we write according to our prophecies, that our children may know to what source they may look for a remission of their sins. Does that not teach about Jesus Christ? I know your rebuttal will sound something like this, “what about in the Book of Mormon where is says we are saved after all we can do, does that not mean you don’t need Christ?” Well what about in James where is says faith with out works is dead? The Bible and the Book of Mormon go together wonderfully if you will read both of them. I would love to hear your thoughts and have a friendly discussion. 😀

[@therushyc108]

Mikey J First things first. The LDS church teaches that Jesus is a separate god, apart from the Father. John 1:1 says "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." John 1:14, same chapter, says, "And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us." John Chapter 1 speaks of Jesus, and says that He is the Word of God. Take notice, that in the first verse it says that the Word WAS God. Not A god, but God Himself, and it says that ALL things were made by Him and for Him. Do you believe that Jesus is God in the flesh? Because the LDS claim otherwise. How would you then explain these Scriptures?

[@OceanMikey]

The Rush YC John 6: 38-39 38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. 39 And this is the Father’s will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. Jesus is saying that he came down here to do his fathers will and not his own. This verse and many others I could quote tell us the Jesus and God are 2 separate beings. Jesus’s words were literally Gods words that he spoke to his son. How do you explain while on the cross Jesus say “my God, my God why hast though forsaken me”? Was he talking about forsaking himself while on the cross or was he talking about his father, a separate being?

[@davect01]

Amen Mikey J....I have some powerful testimonies of this church....I am a convert after searching for truth....I will never deny the feelings that have come over me....I cannot make them happen...it is the power of the Holy Spirit....these people who easily leave do not have a testimony.....I have visited and went to other christian churches....I just recently gave my testimony in church that the peace love and power I have felt from Christ has ONLY been in the LDS church....I could not and have not found this same pure Love of Christ in any Christian Church...yes I love the praise and worship, bands , bible preaching but same spirit is not there....so those christians who say LDS have a different Jesus, I say No they have the real Jesus, the one who saves! I was actually praying the Lord save my Husband family etc into Christians....He answered the prayer and brought me back to the Church! I have seen both worlds, have read every anti, non biblical ex mormon stuff out there.....I know the bible....I have read book of mormon all the way through only once but there is so much power and love coming off those pages that I just can't deny it!

[@will9579]

@Stevie Kajeevie Hi Stevie, I hope you don’t mind me interjecting here, but I was a little confused by your post. Mickey’s point was that God the Father and Jesus Christ are two separate beings. He backed that up by showing biblically that The Father sent the Son and that Jesus was there to do his Father’s will. John 1:1 does not refute this… “1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God.” The belief is that Jesus is separate from God the Father, yet he is still a God. Hence, In the beginning was the Word (Jesus). The Word (Jesus) was with God (The Father). The Word (Jesus) was made flesh. This does not refute the evidence that they are separate and if anything it further backs up that claim. You used John 10:30 and 10:33 to show that Jesus is God. No argument there. Remember, the discussion is whether Jesus and God the Father are separate. Now you jumped to the conclusion that because Jesus said “I and the Father are one”, this somehow means that they are of one nature and essence. I think John 17: 20-24 clearly shows what Jesus meant when he says that He is one with the Father. “20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; 21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. 22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: 23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me. 24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.” Notice that Jesus prays that they (speaking of his disciples and those that believe on their word) may be one with Him and the Father. This oneness comes by (verse 22) the glory that the Father gave Jesus and that he gave them. To believe that this oneness has to do with being one in essence would mean that you also believe that the disciples and all who believe on their word will be of the same essence or substance has both God the Father and Jesus Christ. Also, notice verse 24 that takes us back to John 1:1. For God the Father loved Jesus (The Word) before the foundation of the earth because the Word was with God. Once again, this all only shows that they are indeed separate, which is what Mickey was pointing out. (and sorry Mickey if I'm butting into your conversation) Let me know what you think, Will

[@juke1225]

The Bible states that a true prophet never makes a prophecy or claim that is not true. Right there, you have many by Joseph Smith and he was a false prophet. The Book of Abraham claims are just one of many. He was a great deceiver and it is sad.

[@russelledwards1560]

So how many times can a man contradict him self untill he relises he has?

[@sipo70]

The guy knows his stuff too.

[@zertmcdirt7843]

😆😄😁😃😀😅😂🤣

[@elijahjohnson5282]

Not really 😂

[@I.am.Vunderful]

As a lifelong and currently active LDS Member, I loved this discussion. One, because it was absolutely respectful. But I want to clarify something: Having been raised and educated in the Mormon faith, I have never been taught that we are saved ONLY through our works. I don't know, maybe I missed something in the conversation, but our Heavenly Father is not giving us commandments and such to give us a "test" to show who is worthy of heaven and who isn't, but rather to prepare us to enter into the glory of heaven. What Mormons believe however, is that faith without works is meaningless. That doesn't equate to faith without works means you can never get into heaven. That is contrary to Jesus' teachings. Christ healed and blessed so many people even without them exercising any works on their faith. We are actively striving to show our faith to our heavenly father to receive an abundance of blessings, but just because we sin (the absence of faith and works in that moment) that doesn't mean that we are stripped of his grace completely, but that sinning prevents us from accepting his grace. That is completely different than what Mandon was saying. When we are working according to our faith we are better able to accept his grace, guidance and constant companionship, versus when we are sinning. Faith combined with works helps us progress closer to that of Christ, and we should all strive for such.

[@fayelewis5476]

Grace is unmerited favor. It is not something you accept.

[@hannahcronk7630]

Mormons are good people, but I'm so sad that they are so lost

[@EmzDiary]

Yes amen to that! It’s very difficult debating with one unless you have studied theology or you have another person with you.

[@woolenslippers4124]

This is so cool! Thank you!

[@kevingomez8735]

We are not saved by works but unto good works

[@dyerseve07]

No, by faith. You can work and have no faith.

[@CommandoJenkins]

@@dyerseve07 FAITH AND WORKS why is it so hard to understand?

[@dyerseve07]

@@CommandoJenkins you need to reread my comment.

[@nickolasg6537]

So my question is am I saved by God’s Grace as soon as I accept Jesus as my Savior or am I only saved by God’s Grace after demonstrating my Faith is still alive through my imperfect ‘works’?