Christian Presuppositionalist (Faceofyah) Breaks Down And Gets Destroyed By Pagan (Nyklot)

Faceofyah (Christian Presuppositionalist) starts to have a breakdown and then manages to compose himself with Nyklot (Pagan) for a really long time and then further breaks down.
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[@DumbleDad]

The refusal to define terms is in itself an admission of the intent to baffle with bullshit.

[@realBreakfasttacos]

Great point!

[@DumbleDad]

Something went terribly wrong in the Darth cloning machine. This one's broken.

[@piage84]

It's broken? Do you mean this clone makes sense?

[@Qzopr1]

How would we know?

[@joshridinger3407]

it's not broken, it's just australian

[@realBreakfasttacos]

MALFUNCTION!

[@piage84]

@@joshridinger3407 I'm Australian toooooo

[@DumbleDad]

"yes its a circle; but its a SPECIAL circle so its ok."

[@andreaskarlsson5251]

Unlike many religious people, at least he's honest about that circular reasoning. xD

[@realBreakfasttacos]

ULTIMATE CIRCLE!

[@autarken]

@@realBreakfasttacos more circle than circle!

[@realBreakfasttacos]

@@autarken MORE CIRCLE THAN CIRCLE YES

[@eatsbugs4577]

He has literally reduced darth to “it is cause it is”

[@cseggerman]

"Because I said do, that's why!" Probably echoes in his memories from childhood.

[@realBreakfasttacos]

That was faceofyah lol

[@beedub_]

In these conversations there always seems to be one side who's goal is understanding and clarity... and then there's also a theist.

[@DumbleDad]

This!

[@realBreakfasttacos]

LOL

[@beedub_]

That whole "this question is a true dichotomy, therefore you can't question anything about it and only give a one word answer" thing is weird

[@alexritchie4586]

It's also just trivially true and nothing turns on it. The pressups make such a big deal about it being a 'tRuE dIcHoToMy!' but that's hardly impressive. 'Either it is the case that toast exists or it is the case that toast does not exist'. See, seems silly when you substitute in literally anything else, huh?

[@realBreakfasttacos]

Great point!

[@aosidh]

Aw his Darth impression is so cuuuute

[@realBreakfasttacos]

Yes it is!

[@alexanderingraham8255]

I feel like telling them their DD impressions are “so cuuuuute” should become the common response to them when they start that bs.

[@sneedmcfeed001]

This guy sounds like if GradeUnderA became a Darth Dawkins clone

[@realBreakfasttacos]

LOL

[@RealJiffyCones]

Wow, I've not heard a Christian Presupper get so angry and emotional during what should be a calm, even discussion about his magic sky daddy since the last time you posted.

[@realBreakfasttacos]

LOL

[@drg8687]

Why even talk to this guy? A newborn baby's brain is more developed.

[@Boneworm852]

I think presuppers are the internet debate version of a speed bag, once you get used to them they're just practice.

[@realBreakfasttacos]

Interesting thought.

[@jacksybia7625]

Poor Face, he does a Darth and gets surprised when nobody wants to play with him

[@realBreakfasttacos]

Right, surprise surprise!

[@asadr9794]

Minor correction here but it's important, Muslims don't call Allah Al-Makkar (the decietful one) because they don't derive a name of God from every action he does. This is basically a cope rule so they'd avoid calling their God less savory names like the Deceitful One. It should be noted that nowhere in Quran is Allah named al-Makkar, even though he is described as deceiving peoples and "the best of decievers".

[@DiscernibleInferences]

I think this is more meme than true.

[@realBreakfasttacos]

Interesting point!

[@Boneworm852]

I can't believe Face just got forcibly converted to panentheism in his own room, brutal.

[@realBreakfasttacos]

That was pretty funny.

[@Dizerner]

You're DONE.

[@realBreakfasttacos]

I love that phrase so much lol.

[@BarrySchanz]

😂😂

[@BarrySchanz]

​@@realBreakfasttacosPlease do a short with a counter for that phrase

[@alexanderingraham8255]

Why does FOY sound like he’s either eating and talking at the same time or got beaten up? I don’t remember him sounding so… slurry?? Might just be me.

[@guitarista67]

He says in the video he drank two bottles of wine.

[@alexanderingraham8255]

Ok

[@realBreakfasttacos]

What he said

[@EclecticOmnivore]

Here's a shortcut that I think would have simplified this discussion *somewhat*. (Though an honest discussion with a dogmatic/strident/fervent/uninterested/... presuppositionalist is unlikely to actually happen.) Point: Things like the 'true dichotomy' claim don't work outside of abstractions. Reason: Law of identity: A thing is itself and not another thing. * The formula "A = A" is correct, and the claim "This apple is this apple." is correct. * "This apple is an apple." is dealing with two different things. In that case, "This apple" is either an actual single apple or a placeholder (abstraction) of a unique apple. Yet, "is an apple" is a generic abstraction; it is an abstraction containing the set of all apples where "This apple" must be in. Even at the level of abstractions, the single abstract "This apple" isn't equal to the set of apples in "is an apple.".

[@realBreakfasttacos]

Interesting

[@jettythesunfish]

It got to the point, where I couldn't tell if his Darth impression was satire or serious.....either way, it got old very quickly 😑

[@realBreakfasttacos]

That is funny. I still can't tell lol

[@sticks1990]

Who’s the woman who keeps screaming over the convo? “Prove it, that’s a direct question!” It’s sounds like she doesn’t want the conversation to co time so she tries to end it like darth with constant over talking.

[@realBreakfasttacos]

LOL

[@tysongalloway5700]

Yeah, I may be special pleading, but I have a special reason that I’m allowed to use special pleading.

[@realBreakfasttacos]

I would say something like 99% of the theistic arguments I have encountered end in special pleading.

[@tysongalloway5700]

@@realBreakfasttacos I agree!

[@coreygossman6243]

Around 19:00 it seems like the caller understood exactly what was signified by ultimate, because he went on to explain several different examples of things that are ultimate. Its definitely a debate bro tactic. Certainly there were things that could have been defined better, but the caller decided to hone in on the one term that he *didnt* need defined

[@realBreakfasttacos]

That was a fair term to ask to be defined.

[@coreygossman6243]

@@realBreakfasttacos But not if you go on to define it perfectly well by your own examples. He knew exactly what was meant by ultimate and he demonstrated it. You can feel the shift where he tries to turn it into a rhetorical point and it just grinds everything to a halt. FOY didn't really help the issue himself either.

[@DiscernibleInferences]

True.

[@lordlaughypants5889]

My ultimate is more ultimate than your ultimate.

[@realBreakfasttacos]

Mine too!

[@piage84]

Presups are hilarious, they think they can shut atheists down immediately with their beautiful argument. However, i found a way to shut down quicker. As soon as they start their "act" you tell them you want to learn more about TAG, and you ask them to defend P1. Guys..... It's absolutely insane! The things they said and the questions they ask to deflect and not answer that simple question, you have no idea. They run faster than Bolt! It's like when you spray cockroaches.... They start running for their life! Wherever you deal a presup, tell them you are not sure about what they are talking about but you would like to learn and that you are keen to understand how they can defend P1. Then make yourself some popcorn.

[@realBreakfasttacos]

Great point!

[@johnr3882]

I really get the impression that FofY has learned some philosophical nomenclature but without understanding what it means. He trots out terms he thinks are a gotcha in a desperate attempt to get back on the DD script. Not a bright lad.

[@realBreakfasttacos]

Great point!

[@racuncai]

Do those guys know the fact an idea doesn't have a contradiction doesn't mean is not fiction?

[@realBreakfasttacos]

Who even knows anymore

[@ChristerAnd]

So FOY is basically a troll? How disturbing. I thought all those presups were honest and sincere people....a little behind maybe, but sincere in their behindness, so to speak.

[@realBreakfasttacos]

He is a legit presupper. Not sure what was going on there though.

[@derkylos]

Presup is a troll argument. It's designed to shut people up, not convert them, win the argument, or convince anyone that you're right.

[@mrscience1409]

I hope you get so many subscribers that you don't respond to commenters anymore. Good luck, looking forward to more stuff.

[@realBreakfasttacos]

It is already getting very difficult to keep up with lol

[@mrscience1409]

@@realBreakfasttacos I watch videos a lot. Golf, presup and creationism mostly. And being totally honest, all three can leave me a little depressed.

[@realBreakfasttacos]

@@mrscience1409 I think seeing the way that some people respond to arguments is definitely depressing lol.

[@sticks1990]

Bros mic is necessarily waterproof 👄 💦 🎙️

[@realBreakfasttacos]

YEs!

[@johnr3882]

And eating while talking didn't help matters at all...

[@skynet3d]

Does Face have his own soundboard?

[@realBreakfasttacos]

It is definitely possible

[@cseggerman]

Is the high-pitched voice that follows FOY him, mocking by repeating questions he's been pinned by?

[@realBreakfasttacos]

What?

[@cseggerman]

@realBreakfasttacos I can usually hear when it's him but sometimes there's a voice about four octaves higher spewing the same retort.

[@Ryansghost]

Who should I be keeping an eye on in the contest to replace Darth. Who are the front-runners?

[@realBreakfasttacos]

Bach took darths spot. He is the new leader.

[@DumbleDad]

FOY differentiates himself from "debate bros" how?

[@realBreakfasttacos]

In his head he isn't a debate bro.

[@ianchisholm5756]

Dictionarily.

[@realBreakfasttacos]

Emphatically

[@joshridinger3407]

these guys bring up the al-makkar thing as if yahweh doesn't also claim to be a deceiver in the hible

[@realBreakfasttacos]

Right!

[@peterwyetzner5276]

What a consistently unpleasant person; what could justify that; or does he have a different definition of unpleasantness than I do, or maybe he doesn't recognize that there is such a thing as unpleasantness at all?

[@realBreakfasttacos]

Interesting observation for sure.

[@snaptrap5558]

Surely this is a skit

[@realBreakfasttacos]

This is real

[@davewaring73]

Oh, from listening to this i just thought he was joking.

[@realBreakfasttacos]

He might have been pulling a darth lol who knows anymore

[@gryph01]

Lol. Face is grouchy today.

[@realBreakfasttacos]

He's a goober.

[@piage84]

Yeah it's all well and good guys, but unfortunately it's strike 3 for all of you, all at once! You are all effing done!

[@realBreakfasttacos]

LOL

[@piage84]

@@realBreakfasttacos strike 4 for you sir!

[@DumbleDad]

Tautologys be aboundin' bro.

[@realBreakfasttacos]

Always!

[@benduhova1643]

Howdy

[@realBreakfasttacos]

Hey there! Thank you for always commenting!

[@benduhova1643]

@@realBreakfasttacos my pleasure

[@Logistikon11]

This one is a potato

[@realBreakfasttacos]

Always!