Christians and the Tolerance Paradox | Belief It Or Not

[@Emymagdalena]

Will never forget when my youth pastor said “you don’t tolerate a tumor” when talking about homosexuality the morning after the pulse club massacre

[@jacobstinson4863]

Sounds like your youth pastor deserves his imaginary hell

[@moonblaze2713]

Thanks for identifying yourself as a cancer, mister youth pastor.

[@phillyphakename1255]

Tumors fucking kill people. Being queer doesn't, as long as you have access to high quality sex ed and healthcare.

[@tc-tm1my]

Please tell me he refused the vaccine and is no longer among us.

[@HarryNicNicholas]

well the upside is people who say and believe crap like that are responsible for the church's demise, no one wants to be part of that bigotry anymore and the numbers reflect that (pew polls and gallup) in fact the numbers are starting to snowball, each poll shows a faster decline in christianity than predicted by the last.

[@01Aigul]

When your complaint is that "removing protections for religiously inspired hate speech is banning my religion", you're telling on yourself.

[@onedaya_martian1238]

Bingo !!

[@Flemrora]

I am always reminded of the multitudes of times when apologists talk about how god HAD to command a genocide, because the people were killing babies for their god. They understand that the excuse is BS, but dont have the self awareness to see that they are arguing against themselves...or are dishonest hacks who prey on peoples ignorance and lack of self awareness.

[@neigeepierrot4694]

😂 yes it’s sad they don’t see this

[@rachelthompson7487]

Yes true.

[@lovelylesbian5135]

​@@neigeepierrot4694They do, they just hope you won't

[@Goomzz]

“I do not like -blank- people.” Okay, fine, we don’t need to like each other. “My religion says -blank- is bad.” Okay, fine, then don’t do -blank- “Im going to remove the rights of -blank- and say they should be hurt.” This is where the line is.

[@SteepWriter]

I think all of these examples cross the line. As soon as I hear bigotry I’m out, regardless of if it’s “just words”.

[@lucidragon5260]

I think the line is when it starts to impact other people. It's fine if people think drinking is bad. It's fine if people don't drink. What's not okay is telling people that drinking is wrong and trying to make it impossible to buy alcohol. I think the first commenter was getting at that idea. It's fine to have your own views and avoid certain things yourself, just don't try to dictate how other people should live their lives

[@phillyphakename1255]

​@@SteepWriterthose first "just words" can be really harmful, better if they weren't said at all, but the actions are obviously 1000 times worse. That culture of word hate is what drove me to a mental health crisis. I absolutely get it. I'm really not diminishing it. But in terms of legal protections? I'm a lot more willing to let "I don't like you" slide than "you don't have the right to obtain healthcare or government services". One is good to avoid, one is a no fly zone.

[@Goomzz]

@@SteepWriter oh I get you I’m out too! What I mean is, the first two don’t cross any legal lines for me, just personal ones. I just won’t want to be around that person. The last one is where I think free speech should draw limits.

[@aaronpolichar7936]

@@lucidragon5260 I have no problem with tolerating local ordinances against buying and selling alcohol, even if I think they are misguided.

[@abidenizart]

as a lesbian raised in the church, the palpable rage in your voice at this behavior is so cathartic and affirming. it reminds me that people do truly care, thank you for your video

[@unwrittenpaige7791]

I felt the same thing

[@vivianriver6450]

I am out as transgender as of five years ago and I am angry and terrified by the recent "Cass Report" that the UK is proposing to use to cut off young people from gender affirming care. The way they couch their bigotry in concern for the wellbeing of children is just rage-inducing, and the worst part is that the puppet-masters know exactly what they are doing.

[@jimmysuros6302]

Blame the protestants. All they do is bible thump. martin luther and john calvin are to blame

[@J3nJ3nl0llip0p]

I see You, Survivor! ❤

[@jimmysuros6302]

Wait did my reply about how protestants are the ones to be hateful get deleted?

[@coyotedelamancha]

The very fact that Conversion Therapy is not already considered illegal under child abuse laws speaks tragically of the power and influence that Fundamentalist Christianity still maintains in American government.

[@blademasterzero]

Indeed it should be, that shit is sick

[@cedaremberr]

Most therapist licensing boards and professional organizations do consider it unethical and grounds for losing your license, but that can't stop non-licensed religious counselors/pastors. More and more states and countries are outlawing it. All of this is only for children, though. Pretty much all psychological associations agree that there is at best no evidence for efficacy (and in reality high risk for harm) in adults and children alike. There's pretty much no other therapeutic treatment that's given this kind of leeway given the evidence for catastrophic harm, regardless of whether the patient consents to it.

[@pcoleman1971]

It's no coincidence that the proposed Bill C-367 noted in this video to remove the religious exemption from hate speech laws is in Canada, and put forward by the leader of the Bloc Quebecois. Conversion therapy is now illegal in Canada. The irony is that it was proposed in response to a rise in anti-Jewish hatred, and thus, was targeting the Muslim community. Quebec already has a law banning public officials from wearing religious symbols at work. Again, it is mostly targeting Muslims.

[@jimmysuros6302]

Even the Catholic church have denounced conversion therapy so you know its bad

[@tomdonald2495]

I don't have any problem with people who want to change their gender. But I don't think children should be able to have any procedures or medication for it until they are an adult. My daughter at age 10 thought she was supposed to be a boy. It lasted for about a year. I took her to cut her hair and she even had a girlfriend. I said you'll grow out of it. My wife and other daughters said I was wrong and being ignorant. She's 14 now and no longer feels that way. What if I had put her on medication. It's not every case but it can happen. Just let it play out naturally. Don't force it either way

[@dotsdot5608]

lgbt folks in different parts of the world are either being criminalized, lynched, marginalized and they have the gull to act like theyre the ones persecuted? weird.

[@supermariosubpoena8793]

It's a feature of cults and abusive relationships. Introduce an us vs. then mentality. If the world hates you for being Christian you have no where else to go.

[@mrwensveen]

Gulls aren't the easiest birds so kudos for that, I guess.

[@1MarkKeller]

gall

[@neigeepierrot4694]

Yes it’s the most disgusting thing ever those kinds of Christians have no class

[@hydraph4843]

Don't you know only America exists? Those darn LGBT folks are all over the place acting like they have basic rights

[@CitizenOfPoland]

I find it interesting that christian fundamentalits (regardless of ther denomination) often says ”well me saying horrible things is okay because my religion says so” because in reality, I don’t think that any of them would be okay with people of different religions than them saying anti christian stuff and then justifying saying them by saying “well my religion says so”.

[@fifilapoof7490]

Amen

[@DadamWrites]

They aren't even ok with small Satanic Temple displays in the public square. They're the worst "snowflakes" of all.

[@katarinatibai8396]

Yes. They are such poor victims, all these extremists, just because they are not legally elawed to opress others.

[@1MarkKeller]

Yes, it's part of the reason they hate Islam/Muslims.

[@MugenHeadNinja]

Ofc not, because their religion mandates that every other religion is incorrect and evil and people worshipping “false idol” are condemned to hell.

[@MednaTheFox]

The classic. "The actual bigots are the people calling me a bigot because I was being a bigot."

[@sparrowthesissy2186]

Conservative Post-Modernism at its finest.

[@Lily-xl4hg]

Believe it or not this is a classic symptom of narcissism aka Projection stemming from believing you cannot be wrong

[@mariaquiet6211]

You need to tolerate my awful beliefs by silencing your own!

[@waffles3629]

Yep. I had someone call me rude and [redacted] because I called them an asshole in reply to them accusing me of CSA. Their "proof" was that I'm asexual. Some people really don't understand basic logic.

[@Mrpersonman0]

​@@waffles3629 Community Supported Agriculture?

[@mikaylamast4695]

“If you’re worried that hate speech laws might make it possible that what you believe could be illegal, maybe you should look inward” mic drop moment

[@phi4721]

or there shouldn't be hate speech laws because that's forcing your morals on others...

[@danger4066]

@@phi4721no there should be hate speech laws, because of people who exist solely to cause hate or harm. Such as racists, sexist, homophobes, and others exc. if people want the right to hate, to cause harm, they are the problem

[@OnionyCabbage]

@@phi4721 “I should bully the people I want…”

[@princegobi5992]

@@phi4721what’s strange is I’m sure you don’t complain about other laws that explicitly force “morality” on others, but you seem to have an issue with this one particularly. You want to be able to oppress others based on immutable characteristics and the fact that you can’t upsets you.

[@Amanda-j3y]

Nawh hate speech laws are bs. Freedom of speech is important. Thinking christianity will become illegal is stupid as hell.

[@alexrempel12390]

My sister has a MASTERS in protestant theology, and when asked what is immoral or wrong about homosexuality, she had no answer. Her and others like her are the ones making it a 'cultural' issue. It's disgusting.

[@maythesciencebewithyou]

I'll never understand how that nonsense is still something you can study at universities as if it was a real. I'd be totally fine with ancient mythology studies that include Christianity, but theology should have no place at a university. The fact that you can study that shit and even get a phd in it, makes some people think it gives credibility to that nonsense.

[@alexrempel12390]

@@maythesciencebewithyou I totally agree. I don't think Christian schools should carry the same accreditation as typical schools. Biblical Ed is an incestuous relationship between different levels, all educating each other and never interacting with social sciences or history faculties.

[@RazgrizXMG0079]

I always make it a point to ask people during debates/arguments now what about being gay is so evil besides because god said so. They really are never able to make a good response

[@maythesciencebewithyou]

@@RazgrizXMG0079 If they were directly honest they would say "Because they make me feel yucky" and "I'm afraid a gay person might try to fuck me". They are just disgusted by gay people, and that's because they see it as not normal. Because it's not normal, that means they are not like them. And in the black and white world they live in, they themselves are always the good people, that means those that aren't like them must be the ones following evil.

[@allanmason3201]

I haven't investigated how true it is, but I have heard that many (or most) of those who study Christian theology at graduate level end up concluding that it's all a load of crap. Of course, once you've invested a large chunk of your life and a lot of money in a theology degree, the best way you can recoup that investment is by finding a job where you can spew stuff you _know to be nonsense_ at the rubes. That must do a number of your self-respect, and the dishonesty must result in some of those in that position ending up filled with self-loathing. And I'm sure that sometimes that self-hatred transmutes into hatred for those who are more honest and true to themselves.

[@Commanderziff]

"You won't let me oppress the groups that I hate! Making you just as intolerant as me!" I am so bored with this bullshit. I always feel like I'm insulting their intelligence by taking it seriously.

[@nondescriptcat5620]

they're already insulting our intelligence by expecting us to take them seriously.

[@Colddirector]

It reminds me of a bit in a History Oversimplified video "Aw cmon guys, stop messing around. Let us kill you already :("

[@_tripalong]

I wish I was just bored. My blood boils with pure rage when I hear all this bullsh*t.

[@suzbone]

​@butt317don't forget they've been conditioned to be terrified of eternal torture, too.

[@giannaleng1897]

It genuinely sometimes feels like it’s ableist to make fun of christian nationalists bcs they’re so brain broken 🫤

[@evilandproud]

We can't spread hate? The religion is dying!

[@OnCoated]

Christianity doesnt spread hatred. We are not allowed to hate

[@valinrandall9090]

@@OnCoatedjust like how the department of defense doesn't make war, just defend freedom, I mean it's in the name of

[@Rawnblade13]

​@@OnCoatedWell Christians call it 'love' and 'tolerance', while saying people deserve to be tortured for all eternity if they're not a Christian and don't deserve equal rights. Totally not hate though.

[@sentientnatalie]

As the saying goes: "There's no hate like Christian love."

[@LordTonzilla]

​@@OnCoatedI wish you were right

[@zachio69]

I have 0 sympathy for people complaining their hate speech could become illegal

[@zachio69]

@@gregsanich5183 It was my narrative but I changed my perspective since then.

[@anthonygroenewold]

@@gregsanich5183 Christians have the right to practice their faith, they don’t have the right to violate OUR rights to not practice their religion. Your religion is homophobic - CONGRATS! 🙄

[@josephb511]

You're no better than a religious fanatics when you're a bootlicker who wants to make thoughtcrime a reality

[@aaronmatzkin7966]

I have 0 sympathy for people delivering hate speech, but hate speech is free speech. Canada can do what it wants, but as soon as the US outlaws hate speech, we lose one of our most "sacred" freedoms.

[@phillyphakename1255]

​@@gregsanich5183hate speech: discrimination on the basis of race, sex, religion, disability, age, etc. What are you talking about?

[@Jaclyn25]

They WANT to be hated to fullfill the prophecy about being hated! 😅😅😅

[@sentientnatalie]

I mean, what good is making predictions and prophecies if you can't hedge your bets and ensure that they're fulfilled, right?

[@obsidianstar9089]

Well seems they are doing a great job making themselfs the most unlikable creatures on the face of the earth :3

[@Indira-minuaga]

Omahgad ur right they read that those historic Israelites were hated and they wanna cosplay them 😂

[@suicune2001]

LOL! Yep! Pretty much anything will be attributed to, "See? See?! The bible said there would be unbelievers!!" No duh. Because what your believe is fanfiction. lol

[@abiliv-lf9tz]

Istgoodness their tryna recreate the bible 💀

[@FeministCatLadySpinster]

My mom asked me in 2016 if I would turn her and dad in for being Christian. It's been, what, 8 years now? and she's still thinking Christianity is going to become illegal. I'm reading "The Power Worshippers" by Katherine Stewart, and it's really informative about how the littlest thing, the most common sense thing (like non-Christians not being forced to pray) has been turned into an attack on "religious liberty".

[@Mangaka-ml6xo]

The book sounds interesting, if you finished it since your message, was there other neat things that you could tell us please? Thanks! 👍

[@RedNymph234]

Christian persecution complex is a hell of a drug

[@OnCoated]

Ever heard of the Christian slaughter under sharia law?

[@LouieLouie505]

“Frank Turek should just shut up.” I’m not sure that I have ever agreed with you any stronger, Trevor. The constant nonstop word games that religionists use is exhausting and infuriating. I want them out of the law and policy arena. Leave people alone, and stop thinking that you know better than they themselves what they need or who they are. In short, go away.

[@WillowT442]

I wish I could give this comment more than one thumbs up!!! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@stevenbatke2475]

What do you mean by “shut up”? ;)

[@mariaquiet6211]

Trevor momentarily being a mean teenager made me happy

[@pufffincrazy5275]

What’s worse is that Turek‘s idea that being trans or gay is caused by abuse/communicable is just parroting old *Nazi* ideas, but he dresses it up in his whole nice guy routine. He’s not a nice guy. He’s a monster.

[@zackarycarpenter757]

As a gay person, I also think tolerance is a ludicrous word. Why? Because to “tolerate” me insinuates I am “a belief” or a “viewpoint.” Don’t tolerate me. Accept me as you would your own. Im willing to return the favor.

[@CBusCP]

❤I've always wondered why it was tolerance and not acceptance. Tolerance, for me, means putting up with something you don't like. Like this 17:27

[@falcon_arkaig]

Real. Like in Japan people just "tolerate" gay people, doesn't mean they accept them at all (not yet anyway, it's getting better with the younger generation). I hope these Christians wake up and realize that the bigoted things they're saying is wrong.

[@ravwoofles3858]

I think it's more because there's people who you're never going to get to actually accept any particular thing; that thing can be anything, rather than because of tolerance being the actual ideal. Since change and acceptance are things you're not going to be able to; nor should you, force on someone, the bar is being put as "ideally you'll accept people for being different in ways that aren't inherently harmful or detrimental, but the least you're expected to do is not go out and try to even threaten to take away their basic rights, freedoms, nor try to harm them in any way. Even if you cus and curse them, do it in the solitude of your home." So I agree it would be nice, but in order to not become thought police ourselves, tolerance is where the bar has to be placed for some. For people who aren't going to even be tolerant, well considering they're likely going to actively cause harm to others there's more reason to not tolerate them without being thought police.

[@adamplentl5588]

There is no such thing as sin. Grow up.​@@ColinWrubleski-eq5sh

[@adamplentl5588]

Again, this was explained in the video. Words can have several meanings.

[@ethnekerickson]

I was kicked out of my house because I’m nonbinary. My parents church cheered them on. They are “tolerant” in only their own eyes

[@darlalathan6143]

That's horrible! And intolerant!

[@sephiroth900000]

So sorry that happened to you. I wouldn't even be sad about it, if it was me I disown them and never acknowledge them again.

[@M_MTsc]

That's so sad. Lack of acceptance, understanding and empathy was one of the reasons why I left the church.

[@murilo7794]

You think you're not a man or a woman? 😂. Please, explain that to me.

[@monochromicornthetuna4256]

@@murilo7794how about you Google it, read a few books and inform yourself? Would do you a lot of good. Hope this helps!

[@zenkresnik]

If you don't tell people that option B is called "fascism'", you'd be surprised how many people would choose it.

[@glitteryvieweraltray4369]

I forgot, what’s option b?

[@harrogeorge7878]

@@glitteryvieweraltray4369option b is actively trying to turn people into something they aren’t because an ancient book says you should

[@June_The_Goon]

​@@glitteryvieweraltray4369 Fascism

[@zenkresnik]

@@glitteryvieweraltray4369 Watch the video....?

[@glitteryvieweraltray4369]

@@zenkresnik I did… and forgot when I got to the end. XD

[@JJ-qo7th]

When you recognize tolerance as a social contract rather than a moral precept, the paradox vanishes. They are in violation of the social contract and so are not protected by it.

[@nondescriptcat5620]

yes.

[@crimsonfox87fluxule62]

Very well said, it was like a canted magic spell.

[@cedaremberr]

I think this is part of why these assholes will never get it- their worldview doesn't have any room for anything outside of moral precepts handed down from on high

[@SonsOfLorgar]

And when you recognise that the same condition applies to the contract of human and political rights, the cognitive dissonance about crushing political hate groups instead of treating them as legitimate political parties also vanishes.

[@marcomoreno6748]

Insightful

[@talkwith_Lina]

The freedom of religion is a lot like "state's rights." It's the right to oppress others, the "freedom" of tyranny.

[@jeffersonclippership2588]

"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition: that there must be in-groups, whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups, whom the law binds but does not protect."

[@mizuki3183]

A saying I like to think of is "when you're used to privilege, equality feels like oppression". It very much fits those Christians and their persecution complex

[@nondescriptcat5620]

this is why the puritans came to America when they already had actual freedom of religion in the Netherlands. they wanted freedom to oppress.

[@CBROrchestra]

​@@jeffersonclippership2588 "Your freedom to swing your fist ends at the tip of my nose" type of deal

[@unyu-cyberstorm64]

@@jeffersonclippership2588 it’s also powered by ignorance and isolation.

[@ChimeraFreak69]

Being excited to go to prison is so insanely privileged

[@pufffincrazy5275]

wait till they get to American prison, oh boy, „home of the free“ with the largest prison population and prisons where you have to pay for your stay and food…

[@vintagearisen]

You'd think if they honestly thought they'd end up in prison some day they'd work on prison reform to make the system as humane as possible

[@TheDerpyDeed]

@@vintagearisen they very clearly think that they'll be treated like royalty in prison because according to them they'll convert the guards and get favors instead of meeting the people they oppress in there and getting "a Glasgow Handshake" (shanked)

[@AuraHero]

@@TheDerpyDeed They also don't seem to realize that there are many Christians in prison already. In fact, many folks convert to Christianity in prison. Surely, their fantasy would have already happened by now.

[@SecretMagician]

"Truly this is the most first world of first world problems." - The Critical Drinker

[@lawncrow]

Things are getting so ridiculous these days, you can't even yell "FIRE" in a crowded building when there is no fire anymore. What's next? You can't even say you have a bomb in an airport? So much for the "tolerant" left 😔 (comment filter please let this one through)

[@cedaremberr]

Good job! It did go through!

[@Colddirector]

Yeah the comment filter has gotten insanely aggressive recently. I've had numerous completely polite comments removed because they were ever so slightly snarky or they mentioned something the algorithm doesn't like.

[@waffles3629]

​@@Colddirector yeah, I've had the most obviously non-offensive comments removed. I can compliment artwork or say a cat is cute and my comment disappears.

[@normanclatcher]

So 'tolerant' that I 'left,' yep.

[@moshpitsandbongrips6998]

Trans woman who grew up Christian here. My dad actually took the “crack that wrist” advice. He kicked my ass when he found out I was trans. He’s still fully convinced that I don’t talk to him because I’m a big meanie

[@BeliefItOrNot]

I’m so sorry

[@costelinha1867]

I'm so sorry that you went trough this. I hope you're ok.

[@michaelodonnell824]

I wonder how some of these "Christian Preachers" would react if someone were to use EXACTLY the same language against them as they seem delighted to use against others?

[@karelfinn2343]

I do want to ask them what THEIR "objective standard of morality" is, since "what God thinks" is by definition subjective.

[@matthewhorrigan5848]

They would be appalled and offended, because they believe they are God's special boys and obviously are the ones who are right and everyone else is full of devils.

[@falcon_arkaig]

Hate them, obviously. That already happens. I say I don't like Christians and they yell at me for being "intolerant" then the next second they start hating on Transgender people (what I am), Gay people, Muslims, Jewish people, etc. Like okay dude you're being sooo tolerate too. Okay.

[@swanamaidenpsyche]

They'd probably be happy because the they could funnel it into their persecution complex.

[@ravwoofles3858]

Both Matthew and Swan are correct, it could go either they are angry, or are happy to be prosecuted and have a way to try and guilt you. Sometimes a mix. Which is why I try not to unless they clearly don't need the help in feeding their ego, then I'll happily put a mirror up and let them argue against themselves.

[@phillyphakename1255]

How does this guy always call me out about 3/4 of the way through? When you are taught to hate yourself, and then pray and pray and pray, and still can't change, you head towards suicide. I know I did. And then I realized that I would be spreading the pain. I embraced myself the way I am, and I flourished. I felt comfortable, I felt like me, a first in over a decade, maybe ever. So many of us are going through this same thing, it isn't just words, it's hurting people. It's driving people to suicide, it's causing people to languish, praying for better days instead of making them better through acceptance.

[@normanclatcher]

Bingo. A little verse like "for me to live is Christ, to die is gain," _wellll..._ ...I don't think we need to live _explicitly_ by Paul's example there, right? _. . . right?_

[@Singer6171]

It's so great to listen to pastors walk right up to the point yet miss it entirely.

[@nerdypsychology]

As a mental health professional that works in religious trauma, you did a wonderful job with this video. The trauma that comes from this hate is so deep. Keep spreading your message!

[@ChristianCatboy]

I'm still a wreck after 4 years of deconstruction. I guess 30 years of indoctrination and internalized self-hatred can take a long time to work through!

[@whoisaiahmoore9100]

@nerdpsychology I need your help

[@Mamamephi]

The club Q shooter was not NB. It was just him trying to get out of a hate crime charge and he stopped using the NB identity once it didn't work.

[@TheDerpyDeed]

wasn't this widely known by everyone who isn't a brainwashed conservative though?

[@jamesquinley]

That will be conveniently ommited in conservative circles.

[@grapeshot]

Christianity has always been about that persecution complex even in the days of the Roman Christian persecution had a tendency to be localized and sporadic. As soon as Christians got in charge, they immediately went after the pagans and other Christians who went against their Pauline style of Christianity.

[@dotsdot5608]

eew, paul is one of the worst

[@DadamWrites]

Exactly this. Christians like to claim they're the "most oppressed" when in reality they're among the most oppressive. Christianity initially spread by convincing a government to adopt it and force it, not by asking nicely.

[@frozentspark2105]

Absolutely 👍 We're being persecuted so this must be right. Complete nonsense

[@robynpress9534]

​@@frozentspark2105it's pretty evident as a pattern since the birth of christianity, but sure, believe your own propaganda if you I guess.

[@MugenHeadNinja]

Christianity's history with Pagan religions and how it essentially warped/eliminated most of them from practice for hundreds to a thousand years is one of the big contributing factors towards why I simply can not tolerate the very religion itself. idc if there are good aspects of Christianity, idc if there have been, are and will continue to be good and decent people who are Christian out there, the very core and the entire foundation of their religion is wrong and immensely out of date. (And I absolutely do not accept the complicit “good” Christians who allow their religion to continue existing and functioning in the way it has its entire history)

[@unyu-cyberstorm64]

Free Speech and Hate Speech are NOT the same thing. And no matter what, we should still exercise self-control and not spread dangerous misconceptions and lies against people without checking the facts.

[@ThatFont]

@@babbisp1Free speech means you’re allowed to have opinions outside of the majority. Opinions are not considered hate speech. You don’t have the freedom to harass people.

[@hjalmarolethorchristensen9761]

True words...its should be law....

[@getaround1276]

@babbisp1 Hate speech kinda falla in the same camp as harassment and often takes the form of harrasment, besides mainstream hate speech is corralated woth hate crimes agaisnt the hate speeched group so it is argueably a subtle call to violence

[@unyu-cyberstorm64]

@@babbisp1 Hate speech is speech that specifically is intended to do harm, and intentional harm, including through one's words and ideas, should not be tolerated.

[@unyu-cyberstorm64]

@@ThatFont Exactly. You do not have the freedom to intentionally harm others, and the act of intentionally harming people, as well as acts that bring harm to them, directly and/or indirectly, should be restricted.

[@hundejahre]

As a leftist, I have never claimed to be tolerant. It’s simply that the things I’m intolerant of are in direct opposition to Christian nationalists and fascists ideals.

[@hackman669]

So you dislike conservative radicals 😂😅😊

[@TheDerpyDeed]

I mean... I'm on HRT, I'm working on being a version of me I can live with, I'd love to be accepted (or at least tolerated, we can talk about it) Christo-fascists are working on making others' lives as miserable as possible because those others are diffrent from them - I myself am very intolerant of that bs. I do tolerate christians as long as they don't try and spread hatred though, I hope everyone can do the same.

[@PatrickWDunne]

"I love everyone, but God hates your sin and I have to hate it too to please God."

[@chewxieyang4677]

Loyalty and honor, virtues far greater than compassion and empathy, so the hypothesis goes. Everything pales in comparison to loyalty and honor.

[@marcomoreno6748]

​@@chewxieyang4677 once again conforming my hypothesis that christians believe blind obedience is morality.

[@phi4721]

And you hate Christians' actions and not them so...

[@samuelbrown3405]

​@@chewxieyang4677oh look, found the fascist

[@chewxieyang4677]

@@samuelbrown3405 Though the core idea predates fascism by a long shot. Heck, let's just say that one era's virtues is another era's vices.

[@SalvyMic]

This one cuts deep for me. I have a cousin from El Salvador who was raised by extremely religious and intolerant parents who ostracized him when he began to discover that he was gay. Despite having some family members that did support him, he still felt the need to escape their intolerance, all the way to Milan. I'm so happy now that he's able to finally live his truth, but so saddened that his own parents turned their back on him, their only child.

[@chemistryguy]

Real parents don't abandon their children when they come out as gay or trans. I don't know what to call them, but they're not parents. My in-laws have taken in a number of kids, now adults, that were ostracized from their own family. They come to our family events and know my in-laws house their home. That's love. That's what being a parent is.

[@SalvyMic]

@@chemistryguy Well said.

[@SecretSquirrelProduc]

"Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." -someone cooler than me.-

[@beanpie2912]

Can we just appreciate Trevors extensive research and dedication to giving us quality videos!

[@onedaya_martian1238]

Agreed. Trevor is fantastic and a contributor to making a better world.

[@georgem2334]

There's no hate like Christian love.

[@fifilapoof7490]

So true

[@krembryle]

And no "well meant lie" like the Christian truth.

[@karelgott2610]

I´ve been thinking that the whole time while watching the video.

[@OnCoated]

We Christians cant hate. Its not allowed. We need to love everyone

[@majestic_defalt]

​@@OnCoatedsupposed to love *everyone?* Really?? Regardless of their religion, actions, or sexual orientation / gender?? So you'd still LOVE satanists, murderers, and 🏳️‍🌈/🏳️‍⚧️ people equally to everyone else, just based off the fact that they're all people too??? This is the tolerance paradox. Christians shouldn't cry "but we're supposed to love everyone!" when there are some clearly unspoken limitations they hold to that. And if someone just so happens to be a part of the unspoken limitation, get ready to be preached at about their "Christian love" after they've spoken about them hatefully.

[@LauraPerez-g3p]

They don't want to tolerate other people ,but they want everyone else to tolerate them.

[@vintagearisen]

To them intolerance = "You think I'm wrong about something"

[@SSgtBaloo]

Tolerance is not a virtue. It's a peace treaty. When you violate the terms of that treaty, by espousing an intolerant position, you have violated that treaty and are no longer protected by it. It isn't difficult to understand, but some people choose to believe differently, and that's _their_ problem

[@presentfuture7563]

I just wanted to mention that I wore my workworkworkskymoon t-shirt yesterday and someone asked about it, so I was able to share the good news of Belief It Or Not with them. lol. Also, I don't know what's so hard for Christians to understand about "Your right to swing your fist ends where my nose begins."

[@BeliefItOrNot]

Love it!

[@Amigo21189]

I can answer that for you: They disagree with your belief in your ownership of yourself. Y'know, the foundational idea at the heart of all free societies.

[@presentfuture7563]

@@Amigo21189 So weird, given the American evangelicals' near-worship of "rugged individualism." Perhaps for believer me, but not for heathen thee?

[@J-manli]

@@presentfuture7563 Conservatives are all for giving the right to life and liberty to all people. Where they fundamentally disagree on is who should be considered as people…

[@witebatman]

Aren't the majority of convicted prisoners already Christian?

[@RedNymph234]

There was a case where an inmate was pressured to convert to Christianity in order to get out on parole. He stayed in prison, maintained his atheism, and fought a court case about it. He won. But he shouldn't have even been forced to make that choice based on religion

[@theflyingdutchguy9870]

yes. but those stats may be scewed because prisoners can only have religious books to read. so to not be bored out of their skulls most people will still request a bible so they have something to read. altho im pretty sure there are more christians and theists overall in prison than atheists percentage wise conpared to the outside world. in the US atheists make up like 4/5% of the population. while in prison atheists make up about 1% of the population.

[@brialapoint2608]

ThEy ArEn'T rEaL cHrIStiAnS

[@Muhluri]

I never thought about that. Maybe that explains why why ex-prisoners convert to Christianity. "prison ministry" also exists. Bored prisoners might be more receptive to God's word​@@RedNymph234

[@wmdkitty]

Yep.

[@lowlyworm9323]

The same people who go ballistic when someone comes forward as a victim of something are DESPERATE to be victims of something themselves. Maybe that’s why they get so mad, actually

[@chloeryanvtuber]

their persecution complex definitely seems like narcissism, doesn't it

[@paulhammond6978]

I saw someone once who was talking about how it's really hard to be a successful comedian when you're a middle class white boy with parents who actually love you. But he was telling a joke.

[@SteepWriter]

Exactly, because legitimate struggles undermine their entire worldview.

[@aliceputt3133]

They object to anyone who has been persecuted more than them. The ultimate whining victim.

[@CodeNameX001]

The way I like to say it is, "What we're looking for is acceptance, but until then, we'll take tolerance." The very fact that they can't even tolerate other's existence is the problem at play.

[@ghostreyn]

'You can't tell me I am wrong because of my religion but I can say you are wrong because of my religion.'

[@PurpleStar_]

"Rules for thee and not for me" Same song and dance, different performer.

[@VictorTheVictini]

The double standards are INSANE.. 😭

[@lynxfirenze4994]

The Tolerance Paradox becomes much easier to resolve when you treat tolerance as a social contract rather than an absolute ideal. By acting with intolerance the intolerant people violate the social contract, meaning there's no contradiction whatsoever in being intolerant of intolerance. It resolves all the "But my beliefs" objections with a simple "Your beliefs are intolerant, ergo they aren't protected"

[@soyevquirsefron990]

Tolerance isn’t the goal, the goal is to not cause harm by unfairly excluding people, so we tolerate differences that aren’t harming anyone. Of course we’re not going to tolerate someone deliberating trying to unfairly harm people.

[@leslieyancey5084]

“You don’t have to like it. You just have to shut up!” My favorite part 😂

[@hackman669]

Silent 🤫😅😊

[@bradiedean7466]

These videos really drive home how much Christian theology grooms people to be abusers or abuse victims. "The truest love is sacrificing for people who hate and hurt you and if you allow them to hurt you, you can save them from themselves" "being loving means punishing and shaming people you care about when they don't obey unquestioningly" "if someone with authority over you is hurting you, then either it's to teach you someone for your own good or you've done someone to deserve it"

[@james-russellgause4735]

"If someone with authority over you is hurting you, then either it's to teach you something for your own good, or you've done something to deserve it"

[@normanclatcher]

Christianity and Parenting... 😬

[@Sarahthevampyrslayer]

It’s wild to hear someone ask “by whose standards am I being hateful?”

[@TheDerpyDeed]

E v e r y o n e ' s

[@xXEGPXx]

@victornieves1794 Saying that people are bad and should be killed is objectively hateful, its not a good question, are you not supposed to be an adult? Why do you think like a child?

[@bsqwahlE]

​@victornieves1794the Bible

[@normanclatcher]

​@@bsqwahlElol, not for 2,000 years, thanks.

[@liamdesemple4245]

The Christians who are excited to be "persecuted" have always confounded me. Even when I was a Christian, pastors talking about kids not being able to pray or read the Bible in school confused me because I know for a fact that if I had prayed before eating lunch or read my Bible during quiet reading time, no one would have said anything. White evangelicals wanting to be persecuted is the height of privilege.

[@jsevestjanova]

I'm so sick of taking the "nice" approach with this kind of hate. It's time we start giving these people a taste of their own shit. Shut it down is right! Great video!

[@hackman669]

Ok have pagan and athiest groups knock on doors 🚪😂

[@HolisterX]

Was thinking of no talking it over personally. Sometimes, the only communication that works is like that song "little less conversation and a lot more action"

[@jsevestjanova]

@@hackman669 😂 wouldn't that be something!

[@jsevestjanova]

@@HolisterX absolutely!

[@darlalathan6143]

What these preachers need is some "Cancel Culture!" And European-style hate speech laws! And stricter church-state separation, such as forbidding campaigning in places of worship and outlawing minister endorsement or contributions to politicians!

[@casperl.valentine]

I have severe religious trauma. Hearing street preachers scream about how I'm going to hell has sent me into a panic attack before and one time I blacked out (I have dissociate amnesia) so legally making them stop inflicting so much hatred and pain on strangers would be so healing for people like me. When you can hear them for 4 blocks, how can you escape the trauma before it hits you? You can't. You can't run fast enough away and its really disgusting that some Christians really believe they have the right and impunity to act so vile.

[@waffles3629]

Yep. They loved coming to my uni campus. While the university wasn't willing to ban them completely, they did limit "noise amplification devices" to official university activities only. So clubs holding events could use them, hate preachers couldn't. Students got really good at annoying them off campus. A couple lesbians made out in front of one. Someone bought a pack of poster paper, wrote funny meaningless stuff on them, and a bunch of people made a U around another one holding the signs. My favorite sign was "Bring back cheese stick Tuesdays" (was never a thing, you could buy cheese sticks every day if you wanted to). He actually called the cops (large state school, it had it's own state police department) for "harassment". The cops pointed out he was complaining about the very thing he was also doing. People would play twister, sing nursery rhymes, have study sessions for anatomy exams....

[@c.p.8040]

"We're nice to them. " Yeah, no, you're condescending to us. I've had enough religious people give me a similar speech. I recognize condescension when I hear/see it.

[@kevinkoch-jj1uj]

Their condescension is always the worst. The ultimate in elitism.

[@waffles3629]

Yep. I've had people tell me to unalive myself and pretend they are just trying to save my soul. Bullshit.

[@brialapoint2608]

Christian privilege is far more of a thing than Christian persecution. Its a part of why some people join and a part of why some people leave

[@DaraelDraconis]

There's this fascinating thing where they say "tolerance ~used~ to mean that you accept not everyone agrees with you and let them" and they try to make it sound like things have changed from that, when the reality is that _they aren't even meeting that standard_

[@Theroha]

InnuendoStudios has a video about the attitude "They go low, we go high". The core is that the right wing has fully accepted as a principle that they can go as low as they want because the left is supposed to go high and allow it.

[@DaraelDraconis]

@@Theroha indeed, though I'm not convinced this is precisely an example. It would be if they were directing it to leftists, but these sermons are being delivered as self-reinforcement to other evangelical right-wingers, in such a way as to suggest that they *are meeting* the old standard rather than that they have no obligation to it.

[@frozentspark2105]

I completely agree. Having a "Bible reason" doesnt give you preferential rights

[@robertl4824]

THE VERY DEFINITION OF THERE IS NO HATE LIKE CHRISTIAN "LOVE"!!

[@hackman669]

Whatever 😂😅😊 joking😊

[@nerdoftheatre]

0:48 "Then the guards will become Christian because we're talking about Jesus." Yeah, no. That's not how that works.

[@TheDerpyDeed]

"and then we'll get foot massages and eat lobster every day because everyone loves us" yeah, and Johnny from two cells over is saving up shoelaces and razor blades because you guys made his life hell with that hate speech shit. you about to meet god.

[@waffles3629]

Yeah, it's like the people telling me I don't understand Catholicism because I wasn't raised Catholic, because if I was raised Catholic I would be Catholic. Yep, you guessed it, I was raised Catholic.

[@lyes.blanco]

From all the french LGBTQ community which I’m part of : Trevor on t’adore 🇫🇷 thank you for debunking bigotry. I’m baffled by their stupidity.

[@Kayclau]

16:33 you're describing patience, Andy. You're not being tolerant, you're being patient.

[@knutthompson7879]

Me not wanting to be christian is, somehow, making christianity illegal. Any time I disagree with a christian, they are being victimized. Meanwhile I am forced to participate in prayers and stuff and constantly told about how awful I am and I have to just live with it. Make it make sense.

[@waffles3629]

Yep. I told someone prophetizing at me that I didn't believe in God, they told me to unalive myself for persecuting them. Like you can literally sum it up as "I believe in [this]", "I don't", "Go unalive yourself for telling me I shouldn't be alive".

[@Isa_t01]

i hate when people use their religion as a excuse to be bigoted

[@hackman669]

Like stupid Hamas or radical nationalist in Merica!😂

[@hackman669]

Poor Simaritans

[@JackgarPrime]

They want to think they're persecuted SOOOOOO BAD. I know why. They think they have to be persecuted to fulfill prophecy, but its like...nah, bro. You're the ones with the most power.

[@Therebesquare]

It’s becuase the world is so evil and sinful(according to them), ready for judgement day, etc. but there’s a catch… they are the ones ruling the world, and how does that reflect on them?

[@LauraBow]

The fact that they howl so much when their bigotry isn't tolerated makes me think they don't view other people as humans. Like they can't understand that saying awful crap makes people feel terrible.

[@chewxieyang4677]

They probably don't even view themselves as humans. Only temporarily embarrassed Images of God, and would have been permanently humiliated had it not for grace.

[@shawnmulligan2894]

In the words of one of my favorite KZbinrs MacDoesIt, "if we had to tolerate intolerant people, then the intolerant people would always fucking win."

[@nondescriptcat5620]

that's what they're counting on.

[@thegayone...]

Omggg I have that quote written down somewhere. That was a mic drop moment in that video lol

[@CBusCP]

Freedom of speech is not freedom FROM CONSEQUENCES

[@SomeExistite]

"tolerance" doesn't sound like a word anymore

[@1MarkKeller]

That's the point ...

[@earthaforester3141]

"We dont hold a gun up to their head and say, Believe or I'll kill you." This dude is clearly living in an alternate reality. I'm literally stunned.

[@earthaforester3141]

Also Frank Turek pretending no one can explain what hatred and bigotry mean 🙄. These people are dishonest and willfully obtuse.

[@normanclatcher]

"Hi, would you like to _meet_ my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ??" 😜

[@karelfinn2343]

Much of Christian ideology stems from the cognitive dissonance between "Jesus said being a Christian is difficult" and "Christianity is the world's dominant religion". There are two ways to get around that contradiction - one, that Jesus was talking about self-sacrifice and not political power, or two, that the very existence of people who aren't Christian and refuse to be ruled by Christians counts as persecution against Christians. I won't speculate about which is the more prevalent opinion, but I do know which side won't shut up about it.

[@theflyingdutchguy9870]

i have heard either side from different people

[@katherinepierce2300]

"...but I do know which side won't shut up about it." 😂😂😂 I couldn't have said it better.

[@ZelKwin]

Re: pedant at 16:12 I tolerate my parents misgendering and dead naming me, because I love them and I'm patiently waiting for them to improve. But also... He's so close to getting it right and he has no idea. Yeah, I don't want to be "tolerated" by religious extremists, I want to be left alone! I don't want their tolerance, I want them to have no say in how I live my life. If they will quit making laws that affect my life, they won't have to hear from me anymore! Imagine that! Edit: like you say at 29:03 lol

[@arahman56]

And is it just me, or did it sound like he was equating his autistic kid with a dog...?

[@wmdkitty]

@@arahman56 Yes. They don't much like disabled or neurodivergent folks, either. As someone who is disabled, neurodivergent, and queer...

[@cedaremberr]

​@@arahman56I think he was actually saying "artistic." I initially heard "autistic" as well, but then he was talking about the kid drawing on the walls and it had me reinterpret what I heard

[@theasexualvampire13]

@@cedaremberr Autistic/artistic...same thing, speaking from experience.😄

[@Faliolssb]

telling frank turek to shut up will always be morally correct

[@frogurtcremebrulee5252]

13 minutes in and the word “tolerant” sounds weird cause it’s been said so much lol Great video man keep up the good work :)

[@sahelhappenstance8992]

18:30 the bit about "cult" movies reminds me of how my mom thought a "graphic novel" was a book with graphic violent/s3xual content even after I explained what it actually meant 😂

[@theasexualvampire13]

That sounds like something my mom would think too.

[@mcpheefan21]

I had to explain to my mom years ago that "chick flick" was a nickname for romantic comedy cause she confused the term with "flicks" which can be a nickname for p*rn.

[@waffles3629]

I had to explain to my mother she was mad at an ad for meds for gastrointestinal issues, because somehow she thought it was about @nal s3x. But apparently queer people are the ones s3xualizing everything. Says the person s3xualizing hemorrhoids. Then she got mad at me for telling her what hemorrhoids are. Which would be because I was answering her question of "Well if it's not about that what is it about?" (no, I did not replace "s3x" with "that", that's what she said).

[@jacksonbauer5199]

As an individual who spent over a decade in prison, I am compelled to remind everyone that prison doesn’t work like these idiots think it does… I would love to see you “evangelize” the MB and/or other organizations, but thankfully I am never going back into the system so I’ll miss that most entertaining of displays. Long story short, nobody wants to hear that shit

[@butterfish-g9f]

I wish there were videos of those attempts. Comedy gold.

[@SoftBank47]

Last time I was this early, I got a front row seat to the crucifixion.

[@wiltdwxtch]

😂

[@unyu-cyberstorm64]

Enjoying immortality?

[@SoftBank47]

@@unyu-cyberstorm64 I’m running out of board games to play, so…it ain’t all that Christians say it is.

[@tori3435]

@@SoftBank47more like bored games amiright?

[@RussianPrimeMinister]

​@@tori3435 Ba-dum tiss.

[@unyu-cyberstorm64]

I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition.

[@hannahbrennan2131]

No one expects the Spanish Inquisition!

[@esbenm6544]

Their chief weapon is surprise

[@doggodoggo3000]

No one ever does

[@onedaya_martian1238]

@@hannahbrennan2131 Had to thumbs up that reply...could do it more if the algorithm let me.

[@nondescriptcat5620]

@@esbenm6544 and fear.

[@soft-moss]

yeah, i'm lactose intolerant. i can't put up with lactose. we have different beliefs and i just can't support lactose.

[@Flemrora]

Frankie "King Liar" Turek: "loving you is warning you against things that will hurt you" "But what if the laws that your pushing for are quantifiably hurting people, and the claimed hurt that your preventing has no actual quantifiable evidence?" If Frankie finds his way here, or anyone who wants to defend him, I'm waiting for a legitimate answer to this question.

[@skillcoiler]

When that guy at 34 minutes talked about christianity wouldn't have made it out of the first century I literally stopped what I was doing, breaking the gross edges off my poptart, and stared at nothing and just smiled a little at the thought of that happening.

[@arysnightshade1083]

That one guy who said that tolerance was the most bigoted word he could come u with must’ve never been in a cod lobby huh. He also said that no one wants to be tolerated, but as a trans person I’d love it if people tolerated my existence. Being tolerated is way better than being actively hated. If transphobes tolerated me my life would be way easier.

[@waffles3629]

Yep. I'd rather be tolerated, hell I'd rather be ignored, than be told to unalive myself for...existing.

[@grapeshot]

Yeah, it's basically that you have to tolerant of my intolerance.

[@hackman669]

Haha 😂

[@oydelpoo]

I can't tell you how healing it is to hear someone passionately interject love and acceptance in the middle of these sermons. As a lesbian who grew up in the church and didn't figure out my sexuality until I was married to a man, and has a lot of religious trauma that hasn't been fully addressed yet, it feels really good. Thanks for your videos, always.

[@jamesbusald7097]

"I refuse to tolerate the evil you do." "Why are you so intolerant?"

[@normanclatcher]

"Genetics. Sorry you can't have the dairy I do." "...wait, wasn't this about evil?" "No, it's about intolerance." "...Cheese and rice." "...yep." 😐

[@1MarkKeller]

This is how they Biblically defended slavery.

[@theflyingdutchguy9870]

they just dismiss that the bible endorses slavery. while it very clesrly does. but they just ignore things like this so they can somehow still claim the moral highground. and it works for whoever follows the apologist. sinds thats all that apologetics is about. keeping anyone that doubts inside. its why when atheists listen to them, we know the apologists are full of sht

[@hackman669]

Their boy Jesus would be upset😂 Fact he was a reformists and pacifist.😅

[@OnCoated]

We dont actually defend slavery. Jesus came to set the captives free. Thats why Christians oppose slavery

[@EGGWISHING]

@@hackman669he literally chilled with the homeless and prostitutes, meanwhile most christians today would rather have both of those groups criminalized

[@kevinjones6587]

There are more churches in the United States than McDonald’s, Starbucks and Walmart combined by 2 1/2 times. I really wanna give you more perspective, there are twice as many churches than schools in the US.

[@MugenHeadNinja]

Disgusting.

[@jeffersonclippership2588]

And most aren't even real churches. They're something like The New First Reformed Presbyluthervangelical Church of Jesus Christ, Tax Dodger, set in a suburban strip mall, and run by a failed used-car salesman. At least the catholics built some cool cathedrals and require priests to learn Latin or whatever.

[@choronos]

And if Jesus were a real guy and he actually returned, he'd be flipping tables in every single one of them.

[@shanefoster2132]

14:24 That's right, boy. You tolerate that pizza like you're supposed to.

[@PlanckRelic]

Tell that to my intestines

[@darlalathan6143]

I have a high tolerance for pizza.

[@soyevquirsefron990]

I’d prefer most people tolerate me and leave me alone rather than “love” me, especially if they mean the Christian kind of love where they make me do what they think the book says

[@EveloGrave]

To me it is simple. "I dislike LGBT+, it is bad and should not exist" is a bad and dangerous sentiment. "I dislike LGBT+, I find it weird but to each their own doesn't affect me." Is an acceptable sentiment. If you dont like something about people, that is fine. Just do not squelch their rights as people. Seems logical to me.

[@MessiahRamsay]

This is somehow helping me to prepare before coming out as trans to my evangelical parents. It’s been so long since I left, I forgot how they believe this shit. Christianity is convincing people they’re being loving by being assholes 😭

[@hlantian7563]

What other words can we make "woke" next? Maybe empathy? Would love to see these people go on about how actually the Bible doesn't call us to "have empathy" and that the pro-empathy movement is getting out of hand

[@TheDerpyDeed]

Baphomet and Blahaj approve of this, wonder what the other woke clans think

[@normanclatcher]

😅 "Blahaj," ​@@TheDerpyDeed? The IKEA shark?? 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@princegobi5992]

They definitely already have been trying to take back what they call a “sissified” version of Jesus

[@sagaevan9641]

it's wild how they're just like how dare you expect me to be considerate of other people! this is the most emotional and spiritually damaging thing you could tell me. you cant possibly know what it feels like. you choose your religion, straight up. you can't choose who you love or who you are.

[@Licity-Lovelace]

Or you're groomed into it. But you know, **we're** the groomers according to them.

[@sopiwankenopi]

I’ve been working in a small store at the mall since 2019. It’s not busy most of the time, and I’ve seen a variety of people come in. But I always know when a Christian wants to come in and try and convert me or for me to come to their church. I understand that they mean no harm, but it’s like I’m being held hostage. I started to really deconstruct my faith at the beginning of 2021, and the few times that people have come in to do this, I’ve lied so that I hopefully don’t cause a scene or to hide from the people around me that I don’t believe anymore. People will say that they will love me for who I am, but the second I tell them that I have deconstructed, I know that they will start acting different.

[@bigpapamagoo8696]

The thing about the hate speech bill is that 'hate speech' isn't defined by simply being something that offends people. More often than not, the legal definition of hate speech is more lenient specifically because they don't want to have people charged for just being assholes. If someone says in a KZbin video 'I don't like the lgbt', they aren't going to be arrested for hate speech. People do that now, and no one gets in trouble. At most, they get their video taken down.

[@terranhealer]

As someone who has had an intimate relationship with hate & Love, I’ve determined that hate is a weed sprouting from an ill ego. Love is a truth like the clear blue sky, the sun, but can be clouded over by an ill ego giving the delusion that the sun and clear sky doesn’t exist

[@WiiDSRebeL]

Conservatives: what about my rights ? Liberal: what about their rights ?

[@DonnieDoodles]

Reactionaries: "Why can't people judge the content of my character?" The Content Of Their Character: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bpTSqHume5ugmtk

[@TheDerpyDeed]

LGBT people: can you guys shut up and let us live our lives peacefully?

[@normanclatcher]

​@@TheDerpyDeeddepends. You guys pro-Pride, or not? 'Cause I'm fine to leave you guys alone if you're not _also_ culture warring.

[@princegobi5992]

@@normanclatcherhuh? How is pride culture warring? There is only one side who is trying to war and that’s those who hate the fact that lgbtq people are seen in the world.

[@xwing2417]

If we start thinking about tolerance as a social contract and not an ethos, the paradox goes away.

[@katherinepierce2300]

"If we start thinking about tolerance as a social contract and not an ethos, the paradox goes away." How so?

[@xwing2417]

@@katherinepierce2300 tolerance would have standards around how we treat each other, rather than a blind commitment to absolute tolerance as a value in and of itself.

[@SadayoshiEntertainment]

Personally, I believe that the "Tolerance Paradox" doesn't actually exist. Tolerance isn't a moral precept that I _must_ follow, no matter what; it's a social contract by which we as a society function - You tolerate me, I tolerate you. If you espouse bigotry (i.e., intolerance) against me, you have broken the contract of tolerance and are no longer subject to the protections it provides.

[@TheDerpyDeed]

I believe the point of the paradox is that they don't want to be tolerant BUT expect full tolerance from everyone else regardless of them breaking that contract.

[@phi4721]

Give an example.

[@xXEGPXx]

@@phi4721 You hate gay people, that is intolerant, I hate you because you hate gay people, that is not intolerant. Its really simple for those of us who did not drink out of lead pipes for decades

[@banjofangirl3458]

​@@phi4721if I'm trans and you're phobic, I get to treat you like you're stupid

[@LouieLouie505]

I have been out for decades and it still irks me to hear Christianists talking about being LGBT+ as ‘lifestyle choices’ instead of acknowledging the issue is identity. When they start from that place, it makes it easier for them to discount anything because in their framework, anyone can change their choices about their life. They reduce everything to sex acts and frankly, I find that perverse.

[@waffles3629]

It's very easy to discount them when they try to sexualize asexuality. I've been told I'm a danger to children **because** I'm asexual. Apparently not experiencing sexual attraction makes you dangerous to children?? My mother managed to sexualize an ad for hemorrhoid meds. She thought it was about anal, which apparently was "proof" "the gays" were sexualizing everything. Like no, that's not how it works.

[@chelsgo8675]

The Paradox of Tolerance is resolved if you view tolerance not as an action or a state of being, but as a social contract. If you abide by the social contract of tolerance , you are part of it and protected by it. But if you do not abide by the social contract of tolerance, then you willingly exempt yourself from it. Thus, by being intolerant, you exempt yourself from tolerance being granted toward you in return.