Christmas in Heaven feat. Danny Bessner | Chapo Trap House | Episode 586 FULL

[@aviwhasgood]

I straight up became addicted to chapo. Thank you guys for making my everyday commune bearable.

[@3richardrussell]

Come to the Rust belt. We've been making Orcs for 30 years.

[@joshuamarx8209]

The rust belt has been Orc north central since the late 1830's early 40's. Ask the damn Native Indians my dude.. Lol!

[@alexberkowitz5897]

Yo is their a origin point I can go to for this metaphor?

[@alexberkowitz5897]

I found one for bugmen-I’m not online enough to keep up with this shit

[@johnflatt1288]

One of the best episodes I’ve heard in a long time. The Obama bullshit is always so funny

[@mitchellwood4133]

I love the idea of Barry O rocking out to Parque Courts "total football" in his limo while calling LeBron to cut off the looming NBA strike.

[@mitchellwood4133]

Then trying sell George Bush on the band by saying Ellen is a big fan.

[@russlcorey]

If you thought it was annoying when your spaghetti pot boils over just imagine how much frothing would occur with a pot of boiling semen.

[@aboubacaramine8689]

Yeah I don't know I think these guys are underestimating american pride. Not an american here but I can't imagine a dying empire not going crazy over its demise and attacking everybody. Don't forget guys like Mike Pompeo and John Bolton who were just in power and could come back (or others like them). Those guys would definitely go to war over Ukraine or Taiwan.

[@skoomakity8769]

Oh yeah for sure. Im an American an you could already feel the shift, they're trying to encourage popular concent for war with China / maybe Russia. You hear a LOT of "it's us or them" from right wing war hawks

[@technologic21]

Of course they'd start a fight, just to prove a fruitless 'point' that, 'America's still got it,' like an old fighter in the ring, the crowd is chanting, right before he's knocked out. The hogs will chant for their own demise by nuclear fire.

[@sprobablycancr4457]

**The Lich King was the master and lord of the Scourge which he ruled telepathically through the Helm of Domination from his Frozen Throne atop Icecrown Citadel.

[@debrasue2793]

S T Y G I A N B U K K A K E

[@BurntToast422]

I'm looking for Michael Douglas, the gay actor.

[@DavidJackson-vj2oi]

Hes at the book fair with Ian.

[@philesq9595]

I saw him with Robert DeNiro the other day...

[@juliettedemaso7588]

“Stygian Bukkake” I can only hope one day I’ll get to play Mad Libs with Christman

[@joshuamarx8209]

Miss a good Will-less ep. Been awhile and I remember Amber, Brendan or VT usually having to be involved. Definitely warming up to the Danny/Cush💣 dynamic..

[@asupremechieften]

The intro reminds me to be grateful everyday and also wakes me up lol

[@futon2345]

Marianne would have beaten COVID

[@justcommenting4981]

Orb energy powered military

[@debrasue2793]

🔮

[@philesq9595]

_I'm floating_

[@BennySalto]

Trump might actually get more people vaccinated than the government by doing this speech. How's that for irony.

[@timprosser1710]

Doubtful

[@darcolow330]

Lol he gets booed every time he brings up the vaccine.

[@SUPERBURLBOYROY]

Every boat dealer is a dirty mason

[@joshuamarx8209]

Have been for years...

[@bb-zr2tv]

Joe Brandon carjacked me

[@joshuamarx8209]

@@bb-zr2tv Happens when you floss like a bitch...

[@bb-zr2tv]

@@joshuamarx8209 yeah I need to improve my floss game for sure

[@joshuamarx8209]

@@bb-zr2tv We've all been there. Trick is to not ever again fall off...

[@nicolev2028]

Felix has got jokes right off the bat!

[@bunyipz2040]

Had to pause after the 1 min mark and listen to come sail away.

[@Sneezes_LoL]

I've never seen a white house press release just openly shown contempt in this way.

[@alanfulcher460]

Hell yeah dude

[@seanmoon7095]

Has any consideration been given to those of us hanging on every word coming from Cush Vlog? All through the lockdowns and general decay of American life...am I wrong to feel roughly cut off? I'll be the first to admit a flourishing dependancy on the Christman train of thought of which I did absolutely nothing to prevent or guard against. Perhaps I should have said it long ago, thank you Matt for helping to get me through, but damn...where have you been? I really miss hearing you on a weekly basis.

[@mdtys]

computer trouble i think

[@bb-zr2tv]

Is Danny replacing Amber?????

[@richardsawicki8521]

Two trucks? It's Earl Butts and the "cheap food" policy! Look it up!

[@michaelreich9714]

Nice (fill in the blank) if you can keep it. / Options follow: Weather, Cadbury Egg, Koala, Kamala, Virtue Cycle, Serval, JFK Corpse, Pee Tape, Farm, Spinnin' Rim, Polar Bear, Burning Bush, Public School, Hot Tub, Trombone. 770 Billion dollars to protect your selection and 10 billion dollars to figure out where all that shit came from.

[@addiemarieruhome]

That’s what I’m talking about

[@robertfreitag687]

Again, another example of Chapo's accidental genius: Chris (it was Chris, right? or was it Danny?) started discussing the crowd at a Trump rally showing visible confusion at Trump's babbling. There's a real insight here, but unfortunately Chapo decided to blow right past it. The entire point of Trump's weird non sequiturs is to unsettle his audience. He's just priming them to dive one additional level deeper into personal identification with his persona. He's creating a mental mini-crisis in his audience expressly and solely for the purpose of resolving it later on by feeding them some banal truism that vibes with their cultural prejudices. Trump knows that those people are not going to remember the intellectual incoherence of the priming argument, but only the relief and satisfaction that comes from having their viewpoint confirmed. To them, Trump is kind of soul-doctor, a faith healer saving them from threats from the outside world. Of course they love him. THAT is persuasion. Persuasion is not dead. Rational argumentation, however, is dead, which is the level that Christmann insisted on analysing this episode. Politically, people hate rational argument. Its objective commitment to some reality outside of the subject him/herself is unnerving and depressing. It moves the center of control further away from the audience and towards some faceless abstraction, and frankly, that terrifies them. Of course they hate nerds. The Left have to stop talking this way. They're destroying themselves.

[@nicolev2028]

my kind of episode, only wish amber was there. Felix I think doesn't celebrate Christmas so I am expecting a Felix only episode on Christmas Day jk

[@andymilic4093]

Get ready to " prove who ya areeeeeee!!!!" Lmao u guy's deserve it fully 1000%

[@richardsawicki8521]

It's not the statement It's the persecution!

[@robertfreitag687]

Chapo seem really impressed by this idea of the Calvinist origins of American secular religion. But their analysis doesn't go beyond the point of view of the so-called "winners". Isn't the much more interesting question about why the "losers" are equally enthusiastic about it? There are so many more losers.

[@havanaradio]

death drive + zero class awareness

[@ChewyThomson]

How does that old saying go? The greatest trick capitalism ever pulled was convincing the working class that they are gonna make it too?

[@Joseph_Sedgwick]

Because no one can bare the thought that they are a "loser." Identifying as one is one of the most "loser" things you can do! In Calvinism (at least to my understanding) while your faith can't save you, the elect do have faith, even if the ultimate choice is entirely in God's hands.

[@robertfreitag687]

@@ChewyThomson I don't think they really believe that. That would be tantamount to saying that they're stupid, since the evidence that they're not going to is so overwhelming. I think the Left has to start proceeding from an assumption that the people they're trying to recruit into their base aren't stupid. There's some other, idealistic rather than materialistic motivation going on.

[@robertfreitag687]

@@Joseph_Sedgwick Okay, but remember, Chapo's whole premise is that Calvinism is invoked to justify the wealth of the winners--wealth being a tangible sign of their "elect" status. So isn't their poverty an equally clear sign of the masses' damnation? If they can just wave it a way, and pretend their poverty doesn't exist, then this supposed Calvinist validation procedure is worthless. I think the real deal is that Chapo are just being lazy and invoking an anachronistic intellectual tradition that has little to no bearing on postmodern societies. I'm not writing them off altogether--just today in these forums I mentioned a legitimate insight they stumbled on when discussing the Trump rally. But they do also tend to toss around these references thoughtlessly, like floating signifiers.

[@AoE2Replays]

Awh yisssss.. this and cumtown, all I listen to

[@addiemarieruhome]

Damn you’re cool

[@skoomakity8769]

Damn that's pretty tight home slice

[@AoE2Replays]

@@addiemarieruhome *finger guns*

[@GrinninPig]

Harry Krishna to all

[@Mushr88mBreW]

#WyySoSirius ✌

[@homerco213]

Oh Jesus Christ, I hope they're cool Warhammer Greenskin orcs; and not, holy shit why did you even bother, lame ass space orcs from World of Warcraft. Blizzard/Activision how do you fuck up orcs? How do you do it? Somehow you managed to make Lord of the Rings orcs look badass, grats.

[@robertfreitag687]

"Persuasion is dead."--Matt Christmann 20 Dec 2021 Man, you just can't get past your own prejudices, can you? Persuasion isn't dead. Rational argument is dead. They're two different' things.

[@hegaliandialectics4289]

NERD

[@robertfreitag687]

@@hegaliandialectics4289 When I saw your reply in my notifications, I assumed that you were responding to a different post, where I discussed the Left's nerd problem at more length. You know, like you were trying to be funny by adding a note of irony. But of course not. This is the internet, after all. Nobody bothers to read anything longer than a paragraph.

[@bigbrother787]

Why the hell would anyone trust what the government or big medical corporations are saying? Is it my job as a private citizen to go around propagandizing on their behalf? Sure, you could say 'rationally' they want the vaccine to stop covid so they can get back to making money but if current conditions, White House literally saying unvaccinated will die, student loan payments restarting etc, are any indicator they don't care either way. The problem is people *are* acting rationally. We need a better way to respond than 'Trust the Science' because the science says we should have socialism yet I didn't see that in the WH press release or Washington Post.

[@ChewyThomson]

Keep lamenting, nerd.

[@robertfreitag687]

@@bigbrother787 Quote you: "The problem is people are acting rationally." Not likely. "Rationality" means next to nothing because logical structures all proceed from a fundamentally subjective premise that you just can't argue about. Either you vibe with science or Montana paramilitaries or something else. But a clever person can express himself in a way that hits a sweet spot between those centers. Obviously it's not going to be super-specific from a theoretical point of view--signal loss is inherent when you attempt to extend your reach. It's going to be more like a feeling than a thought. Trump is a moron, probably in a very literal sense. But he has a very good sense of how to hit certain sweet spots towards the right end of the spectrum. Persuasion isn't ultimately about intellect. P.S. Who said anything about "Trust the Science"? I didn't. Your response made it sound like that was what I was talking about. Not at all. Maybe you're interested in pursuing that track, but I'm not.

[@cat_city2009]

Also who is this other nerd?

[@cat_city2009]

Way less Chris, please.

[@starvermin]

Hell yeah dude