Christopher Dorner, LAPD Revenge Killer, Dead

[@MrBeatboxmasta]

Funny how quickly, law enforcement get their suspect when THEIR lives are at stake.

[@MrSlaytanix]

I thought his charges were "Alleged", and I thought we had courts.

[@Cyromantik]

Yeah, I was wondering about that. He didn't seem like a psychopath, and considering he didn't hurt the civilians (beyond robe burns I imagine) that he carjacked it looks like he was perfectly sane. I'm kind of wondering what was really going on, it really seems like there's more to this story than simply 'this one guy just snapped'.

[@morpheusxnyc]

Many will remember him as a Rambo/Jason Bournesque avenging angel that gave cops and their families a taste of the same pain and loss they inflict on families of innocent civilians every day; an eye for an eye. No one is happy the innocents were killed, but in a sad, tragic and dark way, a message was delivered to corrupt cops: You can bleed, too. Your innocent loved ones can be senselessly taken away from you by a cop having a bad day, too. So think twice about brutalizing civilians.

[@MrJaccTrippa]

RIP Rambro!

[@JackGordsmith]

"Did you guys here the story of Christopher Dorner? A killer cop who still lives in these woods. The body they found was burned beyond recognition. " Yeah, this definitely has the makings for an urban legend.

[@boostor]

This story definitely works as a proof of concept for fighting the government. Even with unconstitutional check points, searches, assaults and shootings, one man caused caused a lot of problems. Just imagine what a million people could do, if it became necessary. You have to remember that if the people were to rise against the government many LE and military personnel would RUN home to protect their families. Some would even help in the fight. That alone would weaken the governments position. A

[@ramG35]

my hope is that more dorners emerge, and if they so happen to go on a shooting rampage (taking out crooked cops) i wouldnt complain

[@RonPaultwoofer]

200 dorners in the woods, that would be a really really good thing.... we know who set the fires.... the police did it..... they got caught on tape..... just like waco.......

[@GibLit1988]

Looks like they cornered the Dorner.

[@1971paulr]

Dorner, may you rest in peace. You were a great man. 3

[@okonomiyaki51]

Just because the man was fucked up DOES NOT MEAN we shouldn't focus on injustices. That same injustice is what pushed him overboard. His actions don't negate the issues still at hand.

[@NTtheLion]

RIP Dorner!

[@wrbministries]

we have no proof dorner killed anyone we do have proof he won't kill...dorner, zimmerman and snowden anerican heros

[@8digitPDX]

LAPD and several other agencies have particularly high suicide rates related to the internal conflicts and firings, and when you have that many suicidal cops, then every once in a while, one is going to turn homicidal.

[@bluesrockfan36]

You're a police officer in that scenario. He shot two of your friends, killed one. He's extremely armed, trained and dangerous, whilst resisting arrest. What do you do?.

[@MagnesDrachen13]

It also doesn't give anyone else the right to shoot them. And two victims were RELATED to someone Dorner didn't like. They weren't cops, they had nothing to do with Dorner, and he killed them. Just remember that.

[@bluesrockfan36]

I was standing up to a guy who called us fat, lazy and idiots after we saved their asses over and over. And you call that high esteem?. Oh, I'm sorry, am I supposed to lie down and take insults and barrages of stupidity?. If this is high esteem to you, then you should start practicing it, you'd be amazed at how incredible it feels, to stand up for who you are. People who don't do this, are incredibly sad.

[@chairde]

Cenk is correct because during the troubles in Northern Ireland the IRA only had six hundred volunteers at most. They raised hell with the British. So you can imagine that several hundred well trained guys living in the Rocky Mountains could have raids into the cities and then slip away to regroup in the mountains. With a little help from the locals they would be a formidable force.

[@Z10N58]

A legend and hero

[@noerden91]

i kinda admire the guy even tho he was a twisted man he took up his gun and fought for what he believed in

[@nopiratekinghere1]

There's a way to take a stand in a non-violent manner. It's happened plenty of times. But when you threaten to kill defenceless women and children, it's hard to be taken seriously.

[@MilitantAntiTheist]

What I don't understand is why the Police felt the need to shut down all 3 freeways in the area and force 6 schools within a 10 mile radius of the area into "lockdown" for over 12 hours, inconveniencing tens of thousands of people, while all this was going on? There were people on my college campus who were forced to sleep in cars last night because they couldn't get home and couldn't afford a motel room, all because of "official" business.

[@keendreams88]

Dorner had no intention of killing anyone who was not law enforcement or immediate relatives of law enforcement.

[@A86]

"So wait, rape and senseless gang violence and killing for sneakers due to economic hardships?" Rape is not economically motivated. Gangs are mostly financially-motivated. Kids and young adults generally join gangs because they see it as an easy way to make more money than they think they could with the job market in their area, and it serves as a protection group (and surrogate family unit). Gang violence is usually related to the drug trade. Theft is obviously economically motivated.

[@mistajames3213]

Dorner's manifesto speaks to a culture of corruption within the LAPD which basically involved 3 groups: i) officers who commit violent crimes against civilians, ii) officers who cover for people in group i ("thin blue line"), and iii) cops who just don't give a shit. He states that he got fired because he reported on another police officer who kicked a detainee in the head without cause. He claims that this was corroborated by the victim and another officer, but covered up by the LAPD brass.

[@xizar0rg]

You've paid attention? Killing Americans without a trial *is* American justice. Especially if you're a 16y/o and made a poor decision about who your father is.

[@bluesrockfan36]

Look at that. He even admits not even England and Germany together could stand a chance, to the point that a lot of years would have to pass before it could happen. He even admits it requires both of their combined economic and military outputs (won't happen with an occupation) to do so, and he is still not under any assurances that it will succeed. Clearly, the U.S was under no threat whatsoever from Hitler, he admitted it himself in that statement.

[@DontDentMyCarNYC]

well you have to consider Dorner was out to kill cops. What do you expect them to do, ask him to play nice? Of course not, they're going to have their weapons ready to fire. He wasn't a normal cop killer, his mission was to kill police. There's a distinction here which is undeniable.

[@A86]

Thank you, sir. You summed it up better than I did. The main reason the government (in the North and the South and in Europe) ended slavery was because the Industrial Revolution was making chattel slavery an outmoded form of production. Human beings can never produce as fast, efficiently or precisely as machines and slaves are not as efficient as production lines. The fact European countries often kept slavery in colonies after outlawing it in Europe showed they weren't concerned with ethics.

[@Ebolahill88]

Indeed, anarmed population is hard to control. How do you know the armed population wont be shooting you because your relatives are in the police or army???

[@SatanicBunny666]

The US was directly attacked by the Axis in Pearl Harbour. That is what directly caused you to enter the conflict; not the requests of help which had been coming in for over a year at that point. The leaders realized if they did nothing they might end up surrounded from one side by the Japanese and from the other by germans (if they won). Helping out europeans was a nice added bonus, but the US entered WW2 for completely its own reasons relating to its national security.

[@LowerKace]

200 Dorners in the woods would only lead to a field of glass that used to be a forest containing 200 Dorners

[@TheLionslave]

The police Murdered Dorner, burning him to death in that cabin. They are no better than he was, and they should all go to prison.

[@A86]

"Egypt was NOT an African civilization" Almost all Egyptologists and archaeologists disagree with you. Ancient Egypt was most closely culturally related to Nubia (Sudan) and Punt (Somalia). The ancient Egyptians even claimed to be descendants of people from the Land of Punt (Somalia). Egypt became culturally Arabized in medieval times during the Arab invasions. So did Sudan to a lesser degree. Both are still significantly different from Middle Eastern countries.

[@phillycheesetake]

200 Dorners spread across 400sq miles of rural forest in 5 man cells with radio, land, or internet communication and moderate support from nearby towns would be a force to be reckoned with. Drone oversight and advanced imaging would simply be countered by tunnelling. If you really think the government can afford to level a town, building, or forest every time it kills one gunman, you're wrong. The gunman sits in a position of zero loss, the government in one of zero gain, Dorner proved that.

[@FactChecking101]

Correct. It was the ATF (Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearm). The group was being investigated for illegal firearms possession.

[@proreview3153]

The police lit it on fire. You can listen to the scanners online. Not only did they light it on fire, they had a sniper shoot him. Don't believe me? Listen to the scanners yourself. Now, don't get me wrong, I am definitely not on Dorner's side.

[@Ebolahill88]

Arms have nothing to do wih it. The general population supported the Vietcon. Why do you think Al Qaeda/Taliban etc still exist, when Saddam was toppled in months??

[@TheRiiiight]

Cenk said on a lot of his videos about gun regulations that he'd like to see them banned entirely. I'm for regulation like universal background checks but I could never agree with their mentality that the country would be better with 0 guns.

[@bluesrockfan36]

Nope, Google her legal powers and be amazed!. She has to sign every parliament bill to make it into law (Royal Assent). She appoints all the ministers (of course, to avoid public blowback, she chooses the winner of the election, but is under no obligation to do so). She can dissolve parliament at will. She has executive control of the military. Yes, armed task forces all under the control of one monopolistic institution which answers the the Queen She cannot be tried for any crimes either

[@ULTRXBLXCK]

Does anybody have the CNN screencap where it said he tried to leave the cabin and they pushed him back in while it was on fire. They killed him the most brutal way they could for revenge. Now we can focus on the important thing and start looking into not only the LAPD but other police departments as well.

[@Seymour13]

No-one who isn't blind, deaf and dumb didn't know that already, but the guy (from what I've heard, not being an american and thus not getting every single news update) was willing to target cops' families... That makes him just as bad. "He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. When you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss also gazes into you" -Friedrich Nietzsche

[@bluesrockfan36]

Think on that for just a fraction of a second. 200 Dorners in the wood and the U.S military uses a nuke on them. What do you think the people of the U.S would say to that, have you got any idea how important maintaining public relations is for a government?. Why do you think we have constant classified information and cover ups?.

[@ThePassiveFist]

I find it ironicly hilarious that the LAPD thinks that they can get public confidence back by reopening the Chris Dorner file. They need to ask themselves - how can you get something back that you never had in the first place?

[@rutgurt83]

there's roughly 200 active fighters in the woods of Chechnya still staging attacks against Russia and challenging their authority.

[@bluesrockfan36]

Why would they stay together, and say not splinter in groups of 5 Dorners all over the country?. That's how guerrilla warfare is done.

[@TreyLutrash]

As someone in the construction business for over 30 years I can honestly say I would take ONE Mexican over TWENTY Blacks anyday

[@jameschrisdavis]

Did anybody else see on CNN the report of "suspect tried to flee the cabin but was pushed back in"?. Im not exactly sure what they meant by that but the obvious implications was he was forced back into a burning cabin.

[@bluesrockfan36]

Be honest with me now, this is important. Would you go, into a cabin where you're being shot with with assault weapons. Get in range, and taze him?. Are you willing to risk your life so carelessly?.

[@AcanLord]

so are you saying Every single black person is lazy? as if, the Condition of being black causes you to be lazy?

[@VfletchS]

He didn't "fend off" jack shit. He was killed. He lasted for a few days because he was hiding.

[@jameswilliams161]

..the corrupt LAPD never wanted him alive.. for Dorner, it was always a suicide mission.. RIP Dorner..

[@PinkoJack]

Dorner stood up against relatively small police departments. I don't think 1, 10, 100, or 200 Dorner's would do anything against the federal governments massive military force. They could just fly drones over some mountains and crush any sort of rebellion.

[@TheRiiiight]

I agree with TYT on a lot of issues however one of our biggest differences was they supported gun bans. I'm glad Cenk realized that an armed population is harder to control, no matter how many drones the enemy has. Now it's sad that people will misuse guns but it's a price that we unfortunately have to pay.

[@MrSaiyamanJG]

I was kinda rootin for dorner to escape and never be seen again by anyone again. He would be such a legend.

[@A86]

"Click on the first wiki link" Quote from the article, "In 1996, the Indianapolis Museum of Art published a collection of essays, which included contributions from leading experts in various fields including archaeology, art history, physical anthropology, African studies, Egyptology, Afrocentric studies, linguistics, and classical studies. While the contributors differed in some opinions, the consensus of the authors was that Ancient Egypt was a Northeast African civilization..."

[@bluesrockfan36]

Dorner had to be stopped. It was virtually impossible to stop him without him ending up dead (through suicide or a shootout). I'm glad they were smart enough to stop him before he could inflict more harm. Don't get me wrong, I'm not supporting the police departments, but I'm not blaming them for the tactics they used. They were smart and prevented more unnecessary loss of life. I would say police officer lives are more valuable than criminals and murderers. But that's just my opinion.

[@A86]

From the same article, "Additionally, typological and hierarchical models of race have increasingly been rejected by scientists in favour of models of geographical origin. Recent studies suggest that the modern population is genetically consistent with an ancient Egyptian population indigenous to northeast Africa." Most Egyptologist view Egyptians as Northeast/Horn African.

[@SumFreshDkaf]

The problem is any half decent/moral cop most likely isn't going to commit such travesty the ones who are corrupt and abuse power are so full of themselves that they won't even reflect or think of their abuses as a crime so I doubt their reflecting on this thinking "what did I do for him to kill my family". Don't get me wrong I don't like how the media is painting this as Dorner being the only bad guy in the situation and just brushing over what the LAPD did.

[@IcarusLime]

I don't understand the conspiracy theory about the LAPD staging Dorner's death. Why would they want people to think he's dead?

[@darkservantofheaven]

I just hope that the Feds conduct an investigation into the corruption and brutality that is prevalent in LAPD and various other departments in the nation now that the threat is over.

[@coopmuch56]

Negotiate, wheres dorners families/friends? lawyers etc. If they were on that perimeter he wouldnt shoot, and it could have ended peacefully and with due process.If all else fails after many negotiations, enter the house down with armored vehicle. They fuckin purposely burned him alive like a witch at the stake, what is this the middle ages

[@SiaGrath]

He isn't making white people look inhuman and evil. Here is a quote from Lincoln that sums it up pretty well "My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that." The end of slavery was not because of ethics, but economics.

[@JesseJaceThomas]

Your profile says you live in Poland. Did you invade it?

[@FactChecking101]

What are you talking about? Dorner wasn't victim, he was a psyco. Even civil rights lawyers who have sued LAPD many times in the past say they are clean now. Stop repeating ignorance.

[@LaDay1471]

Im sorry to hear this but it was only a matter of time and I think he knew what the eventual outcome would be. Whats sad is the only way to stand up against the corruption of the police is through violence because when a cop is suspended for something most of us would get arrested for, they get time off with pay! When Dorner got fired for doing the right thing.

[@rihc2]

I can't understand how some people are looking at what this guy has done and actually warping it into a story about how the cops deserve it... So fucking what if this guy lost his job, try to better yourself in some other way and get another job. Don't give up and kill innocent people. There is absolutely no defense for Dorner, and if you think he's "Righteous" then you're a fucking psychopath.

[@troyadams19]

First of all, I'm Canadian, and second I didn't show any disrespect to those cops at all. I didn't say fuck the police, I said in the politest way possible that it's suspicious that the cabin he was cornered in burned to the ground.

[@bluesrockfan36]

He was talking about the islands, and Presidents always exagerate when they want to get a declaration of war No Japanese, no Nazi General, no military historian, no anything even for a second the U.S would be in danger of a trans continental invasion of a country that spans an entire continent with over 100 million armed citizens. It's simply too far fetched. Not even Soviet Russia had the resources to do so There was no risk, can you name one leader who thought continental U.S was in danger?

[@kevyster]

Being burned alive? He killed himself long before the cabin caught on fire from tear gas. Just becuase his body was burned doesn't mean he was alive. Btw, why didn't he just turn himself in if he was innocent and his claims were true?

[@MrJarth]

Exactly cenk, what if the police force is corrupt and can't protect people? Then the best way is to protect yourself with weapons. No one can protect yourself better then yourself.

[@angel_machariel]

Uygur is as indigenous as it gets. He'd rather call Dorner a hero legend but fears criticism. He's the worst liar ever.

[@bluesrockfan36]

Ok. First problem with that premise. The U.S doing nothing, implies the U.S would continue the trade and be the prime source of oil and supplies for Japan and to a lesser extent Germany. So why would Japan and Germany be hostiles?. Totalitarian regimes don't tend to be hostiles if you trade and they rely on such trade. Even if the two sides were hostiles. They lacked the capability of successfully mounting an invasion, and they knew it. So why did we enter WW 2, if not to help then?.

[@agelessrocker]

So you are saying people deserve to die, if they cause another person to lose their job? Brilliant.

[@Xenite227]

The story I read said they broken the windows, shot tear gas inside the house and then used a APC to punch holes in the walls and then the house caught on fire. Does that whole scenario sound familiar?

[@TreyLutrash]

He wanted to be Rambo but in the end he was Richard Pryor

[@bluesrockfan36]

It's not a 'right to kill you', it's a right to self defense. If cops indiscriminately for no reason kill someone, then by all means, you'd be absolutely right. But they didn't. The guy was shooting at them. Due process took place, a JUDGE issued the arrest warrant, the cops followed procedure. It wasn't even LAPD who 'killed' him. I'm positive when they stopped his car and the guy came out with a weapon shooting at them, it wasn't a... 'lethal force first'. Again, this wasn't LAPD.

[@markjosephchristofferson419]

Now imagine trying to take the weapons from citizens in every town and city in the USA.

[@bluesrockfan36]

'the U.S used terrorist strategies' Yes we did, it's called guerrilla warfare... you expected us to go head to head vs an army that outnumbered 3 to 1?. No. We're not stupid, and if something you can't accuse the U.S is, of not knowing how to wage a war. It did end with the U.S revolution, after that, the empire (the other empires too) collapsed due to debt and barrage of revolutions across the globe. 'so long' I would say it was because you live in an island that it's pretty hard to invade.

[@A86]

"Europeans are still more starkly diverse in physical appearances than blacks are" The main difference between different European ethnicities is hair and eye color. Africans have differences in skin color, morphology, head shape, etc. What 2 European ethnicities are as visually different as Ethiopians and Khoi people? Or Nigerians and Pygmies? Or Namibians and Tuaregs? Or Malians and Algerian Berbers? "Asians look very uniform" Tell that to the Chinese and Indians. Or Japanese and Cambodians

[@ac1th]

where could one obtain that police scanner audio? all I saw were a bunch of randoms on /k/ claiming the police had mentioned fire in some random context, the stories about intentional fire only started popping up after the building was burning.

[@youngbravo]

he should have went to the press or internet and expose the corruption in the lapd not go out and kill people. That was his downfall.

[@robertwc82]

i know he claimed to have been wronged in some way but once he killed an innocent young woman because her father was one of the LAPD he doesnt deserved to be listened to. nothing he could say could ever possibly justify his actions. nothing.

[@SumFreshDkaf]

He was never for outright gun bans of all guns he wants tighter regulations on who can have them ammo capacity etc. there's a difference.

[@bluesrockfan36]

If Dorner really cared about his cause, he would've surrendered after shooting the first guys, since he already had all the publicity. He was off to kill cops, it's as simple as that. Cops that have families and are humans just like you and I. His manifesto said that, it even said that he would not be taken in alive. Yes they 'could' have waited him out, giving him a chance to escape, or shoot more cops. It wasn't an ideal situation, nor an ideal resolution... but it could've been much worse

[@A86]

"There are differences in races" According to science there is no such thing in humans. There are Haplogroups but Haplogroups frequently overlap what people used to call "races". About the only thing continental groups may share in common is a range of skin color. Or religion.

[@bluesrockfan36]

What would you have done in the situation, two of your friends got shot, one is dead, the guy is incredibly armed, trained and dangerous?. Go in there and try to taze him?.

[@agelessrocker]

I see posts about racism, posts saying this nut was a hero etc. NOBODY mentions the victims or their poor families. Disgusting.

[@A86]

A lot of primarily-minority schools are in poorer areas and a lot of the schools tend to be dilapidated from decades of govt neglect with sub-par teachers (a lot of good teachers refuse to work in poorer schools). In a lot of urban areas the kids are from homes with single mothers, drug abuse and the kids have a sense of hopelessness and nihilism (and fatatlism) because they believe their lives are doomed to the same fate. The fact there is legitimate racial barriers against them doesn't help.

[@SirKickz]

That's my view as well. LA cops have a really bad rep, and usually when cops have a bad rep it's because they deserve it. That doesn't justify murder, at all, but still, there really needs to be some reform in a lot of police departments. The US has a bad problem with cops who abuse their authority.

[@minipancho94]

you do know its youtubes automatic closed captioning right? they dont do it themselves, its part of youtubes player.

[@A86]

Middle-class people in the US don't tend to live in urban areas. In China middle-class people tend to live in urban areas. You're comparing 2 unalike situations. Just like in Latin America the "inner city" tends to be the area where rich and well-to-do people live. Also, America has a larger middle class than China (so far). The middle class in China represent a smaller portion of the general population than the American middle class does.

[@GodtheSeven]

Also, his wallet was reportedly recovered on February 7 when they searched the boat that he supposedly try to steal to go to Mexico. And USA Today reported that they also found his wallet in the cabin. How did he find time during the whole incident to get another one? And I didn't know that wallets happened to be fireproof, especially one owned by a guy on the run.

[@bluesrockfan36]

Actually it was a combination of several vendettas after the government fired into an unarmed civilian crowd. But the reasons as to why they started (due to cop firings) is irrelevant, no one is making that assumption. What we're saying is, if a bunch of 'mental' people rebel they're capable of organizing and be more than a threat to our government. You think the revolutionaries were not branded as insane terrorists?. They were. And they more than killed police and law officers.

[@troyadams19]

Don't get me wrong here, cause when the guys spraying bullets at you, you have to take him down by any means necessary, however it seems a little convenient for the police that he went into a cabin which was then burned to the ground.

[@bluesrockfan36]

It wasn't surrounded entirely, and they were taking casualties, A draw out would only have caused more. You're underestimating Dorner's military capabilities. Had they waited, chances are, more officers would've died, or he would've gotten away. Why is Dorner's life more valuable than police officers?. I don't want you to react emotionally, but rationally. Tracking a man in the woods, in winter, is not an easy thing. But again, if you are a police officer, he did indeed shot your friends.

[@nolifeson1]

this tactic doesnt work in a country they have control of especially with an established police force.it would work againts an invader but regardless it still wouldnt win the war that tactic has trouble holding land.it might never end but they would not have any real chance of winning.they would be more of a problem to the public since they would be dragging the fights into the streets and peoples homes.

[@bluesrockfan36]

The reasons why we actually got involved in the war (which was from the very begging) are most likely to be (like with virtually all wars) financial. But this is included in 'helping others out'. After all, having 100 customers is better than having 2. After all, as soon as Churchill requested (September 1940), we supplied help. If self preservation was a concern, we would've entered full scale war before 1944. The fact that we needed an excuse for it, disproves this idea.

[@FactChecking101]

...they had the cabin all set with nano-thermite just in case Dorner showed up. And don't forget cabin 7. No way that burnt on its own, no way.