Christopher Hitchens talks Feminism (1994)

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Christopher Hitchens discusses objectification, infantilization and more in this talk on feminism.
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[@Krotas_DeityofConflicts]

Not just Feminism. But the woke affect on the university too; he addressed that when he talks about Infantilization

[@albinosquirlz]

"Everyone's going to start wanting to be the victim. It will be unstoppable" Called it 26 years ago.

[@wolfgangi]

Absolutely prophetic. Really wish he's still alive he will be just as much of a intellectual giant today as he was.

[@fermin7c1]

@@wolfgangi Prescient

[@TheEvolver311]

Yup he predicted the rise of the "anti-SJW's" of today

[@Atclav]

I graduated from art school in the 90s and we all spoke about this in most of our classes. It starts in film theory.

[@nielsnielsen9013]

@@TheEvolver311 you're so embarrassing lmao

[@zmunk]

“Everyone’s going to start being a victim... it will be unstoppable and completely negative...” 😳 he called that one right

[@joshkirby2372]

Yeah. White men, heterosexuals, white women, cisgender people, all so descriminated against.

[@JohnSmith-oe4ci]

@@joshkirby2372 neither are they treated like pampered pets like every other "minority"

[@protosspc]

Saw the future in 1994...

[@ReachForTheSky]

@@joshkirby2372 You're making a victim out of the people you didn't list, gg

[@pablodmdp]

Its just incredible. He even said boring.

[@davids1816]

Where the hell did TV like this go? This is utterly fantastic dialogue.

[@likearollingstone007]

Because diversity of opinion is not tolerable anymore. We are in the indignation era where superlatives are used at the first occasion. Discussion and well formed thought are not the way anymore on the social media era where you can shout names to strangers in perfect anonymity.

[@Hereford1642]

@@likearollingstone007 Can you just imagine the twitter storm on 'Hitchens says women like rape'. Social media is to blame. Nothing can now be broadcast that is not anodyne.

[@seaglider844]

I wonder if Charlie Rose, the great interviewer who created this show, was taken out by some of the victimhood piling on that seems to have gone on lately. Given how his career was nuked in 2 seconds by accusations, was he ever charged? Was anything ever proven? Amazing how nobody mentions him and his role in creating such a great conversation.

[@likearollingstone007]

@@seaglider844 Charlie Rose was sued in 2018 by 3 women for sexual harassment. He settled for an undisclosed amount of money.

[@cabanford]

Monologue

[@Anicius_]

Makes me happy how people keep watching him and keep him alive

[@jelleludolf]

Dead, fam. Just call it for what it is, he'd be delighted.

[@DrDuffy-hz3ut]

The hitch slap 😂

[@matty9460]

"A regression to infantilism" what a perfect description

[@Ioganstone]

It's the Puritans that first infantiziled everyone with the original Sin and how everyone is too stupid for their own good, then there was the sexual revolution but feminism came back with the Patriarchy.

[@rationalmystic5]

he was predicting the SJWs currently seen on campus......hitch was just awesome ..

[@BobSmith-pm3wx]

Barely anyone I've ever met takes SJWs seriously, and the few who do simply do so out of total ignorance or immaturity. Then those women go on to date men who show them with ease how ridiculous their ideology is, and they drop it like a bad habit. SJW = immature and ignorant, or starved for sex. That's all it is. Bitches whining because they can't solve their own problems.

[@rationalmystic5]

agreed ....so true.

[@GaryMcCaffrey]

+Bob Smith but they are negatively affecting change in the real world.

[@arklowrockz]

"The male organ can be somewhat capricious" What a fucking line. Pure gold.

[@josevanreyes]

Can i get a definition

[@JackT13]

@@josevanreyes it basically means to change ones mood on a whim, obviously having humorous erectile connotations in this context

[@josevanreyes]

@@JackT13 What is the language of origin?

[@JackT13]

@@josevanreyes i would guess Italian

[@josevanreyes]

@@JackT13 *spelling bee commences* CAPRICIOUS c...a...p..r....i....c....i..o...u...s CAPRICIOUS

[@gilliebrand]

I still get a chill from seeing this man's mind at work. He will never be dead while there is a book to read or a video to watch.

[@raja6ubaid]

"Proclaiming yourself powerless gives you immense power." - Slavoj Zizek

[@njits789]

It's 'Slavoj' Zizek, but it's okay, brother!

[@erhan1255]

Slovak rofl

[@HumanTypewriter]

The alt right has taken this to its fullest extent

[@Schensue]

Oh yes, conversations, I remember those: no shouting, no generalisation, no prepossession, no categorical statements that one would not listen to the other, just people exchanging ideas over a certain topic. That was nice.

[@snoutysnouterson]

I remember those too. I wish they were a part of my life.

[@taurtue]

@@matthewklahn7523 Yes. So many nice conversations are going on today, and so many people are just ignoring them, pretending it's a thing of the past. It makes me sad

[@sirriffsalot4158]

It was lit, man.

[@ArthurKaletzky]

@NonCaptatMuscas 94 Again, I have to disagree. Or maybe not: the host, Charlie Rose, almost certainly briefed the guests before the show that a relaxed, polite atmosphere was an integral part of the format. All of his many shows I've seen are like that, albeit not all are as good. When you compare the intelligence of Hitchens and Wolf to an average US Republican cabinet member (several have been on Rose's shows), you'll understand.

[@WheezingCheetah]

@@matthewklahn7523 don’t act like you don’t know what he’s getting at dumbfuck

[@south6bt]

I've never seen Hitchens stop talking if someone tries to talk over the top and interrupt him. Even back in 1994 he would power through any interruption to finish his point. That always struck me with Hitchens, he never stopped half way through a point just because someone tried to take over the talking, he'd simply keep going until he had voiced every word he wanted to say.

[@gunsgiftsgalleries7711]

Yeah , I noticed that too. He never stopped mid sentence, no matter what. His brother Peter also does the same thing.

[@AnaxofRhodes]

Peter does that, too. They were both very similar in several ways.

[@lessevdoolbretsim]

C.H. "I'll get to the end of this sentence if it kills YOU!", he said on Question Time to a woman, once.

[@Cirris]

He probably goes by the debate etiquette that it's rude to interrupt someone in a middle of them making their point. He probably doesn't feel the need to stop his point cause then he's acknowledging the interruption as a reasonable action.

[@gunsgiftsgalleries7711]

Cirris yes, but christopher also interupted people he was debating against quite often. If he was respecting a debate etiquette, he wouldn't do that.

[@davedavey5]

I had the pleasure of meeting Christopher at a charity do once ,he was really down to earth and REALLY funny.

[@josephlennon8475]

Hey, he came from Purbrook, Hampshire. What do you expect?

[@asaxearts]

This is a mostly women panel of guests and practically all you hear is Christopher Hitchens.

[@feonor26]

I really wish I could have had a drink with that man over a long conversation.

[@Retrostar619]

This video is the edited highlights of Hitchins speaking, not the whole conversation.

[@kekkles117]

@@asaxearts The full discussion/video was roughly 50 minutes long. What you are watching is a Hitchens Cut. So, yes of course it's mostly Hitchens. It's that way by design.

[@Krushard]

"Regression to infantilism". He predicted this in 1994 and Stephen Fry is echoing it ever since. Brilliant how genius brains are wired.

[@slinkycowboy]

I find myself regarding people as those i wouldnt look for if they strayed from my side in a supermarket

[@THEAMERICAN-ob2wt]

Nietzsche also predicted that atheist would ruin the world by (through their perspective)believing there is no meaning to their life because they believe there is no God. It leads to nihilism. Atheism is a cancer something hitchens didn’t want to admit. Where they you believe in God or not we all know the biggest mass murderers were atheist communists

[@vincestevenson9430]

They were great friends, so it isn't exactly like Stephen came up with it in a complete vacuum.

[@Tuckerslam]

Stephen Fry is a homosexual clown. Some heroes you have.

[@Deadhammer218]

"The man had more wit and style and substance than a few civilizations I could name." - Sam Harris

[@2008boson]

Deadhammer agree !!! Wish he was around .

[@declanfoley7562]

I have a feeling he would swat down Harris on the subject of Israel if he was still around

[@MattFoleysGhost]

Team Player Ask the person that actually said it.

[@heberdiaz1806]

Declan Foley I have a feeling Harris would happily defer to him on that subject.

[@kundakaps]

@@heberdiaz1806 You *feel* Harris would stop believing that taking European Jewry to live on ill-gotten land is a bad idea?

[@MarkEvans1962]

He was spot on on so many predictions. Incredible.

[@milton3204]

MRA.

[@milton3204]

Agreed. They're not as radical as feminists, partly because no one gives them any attention or power to do so; but they do try their bests at being the "better victims." Though I agree men disadvantaged in multiple areas, I still feel like MRas are just a reactionary movement towards feminism. Still a lot better than the "guys stop liking thin women, its oppressive" and microaggression/inequalities bullshit you hear from feminists.

[@FatToti]

Well, you've just essentially proven the point that men's rights activists are trying to make, namely that they will never be given the same attention as feminists more or less because they are men and men's suffering is always undermined even in modern society. This has an awful lot to do with biology and evolutionary psychology but it's high time we turned the tide in an age where technological advances have made this innate urge in men to sacrifice themselves and in women to expect this sacrifice irrelevant. I'm sorry to say this but you strike me as someone who has never researched the MRM and if you have I'm compelled to believe you had already made up your mind about their agenda before doing so. The Men's Rights Movement are essentially fighting for the same human rights everyone would consider to be a given in the case of women. They are a direct and necessary response to feminist's belittling of men through the last decades. Take male genital mutilation for example. This practice is entirely barbaric and disgusting and has no medically proven benefits. Circumsision punishes boys by removing one of the most sensitive parts of the penis, the foreskin. It kills dozens of boys in the west alone every year and can cause infections and physical abnormalities in INFANT CHILDREN yet it is still considered completely normal. This is absolutely repulsive and in my opinion it very much shows the sort of attitude surrounding men's suffering. The western world has long since abolished female genital mutilation. Why do you suppose that is? Is one child's suffering more important than anothers? MRAs talk about men's suicide statistics, 4 men kill themselves for every woman. MRAs talk about the homelessness of men, around 75% of homeless people are men and in spite of this there are virtually no options when it comes to shelters for homeless men or the men whose women beats their ass day in and day out. Men are more prone to alcoholism and drug addiction, every form of mental illness. Where is the male privilege in this? MRAs talk about the sentencing gap where men suffer longer prison sentences than women for the exact same crime while feminists harp on about a wage gap myth that has long since been debunked. MRAs talk about the court systems which favor women heavily over men. Family courts where women are seen as the optimal parent in spite of every bit of research proving single mothers to be the absolute worst thing that can happen to a child. I've heard men crying as they talk about how they were abused by their female spouse, finally plucked up the courage to call the police which then proceeded to arrest them, the victims, based on something called the Duluth model, a DIRECT result of modern feminism. Feminist domestic violence statistics are absolute bullshit as well as any other statistics these ignorant professional victims pull out of their ass, women beat men just as much if not more than men beat women. If a woman physically weaker then yourself insults you in every way, shape and form, shoves you, slaps you, screams at you and you finally shove her against a wall or punch her square in the face, how would you react when the police came and arrested you while she filed for divorce, took half of everything you ever earned before and after you even met her and proceeded to take your children away from you as well? This is how it happens in most cases when women tell you that their ex-husband was a piece of shit and it's absolutely infuriating. But I stray from the point. The media's negative portrayal of men, a father's right to choose whether a woman has their child or not, the list goes on. So, please, do me a favor and tell me which of these things you acknowledge and condone or disagree with. Which of these claims is even remotely comparable to the bullshit claims of a third wave feminist?

[@milton3204]

Your post is based off the assumption that i shrug off the issues that negatively affect men; I don't. I was making a point about MRA activists being far too reactionary as opposed to being genuine. Your post is a strawman. I already acknowledge the issues and actively involve myself in community services because of them.

[@FatToti]

Fair enough. I commend you on doing good work in service of men. Hopefully other people will read my post and learn a thing or two.

[@FrostByte112]

Jesus, compare this with discussions today. A different time

[@tkurthyt]

Lots of good conversations happening, just need to look in the right place

[@mr.sotack6586]

... a far better time

[@Poptart21298]

Stop giving Jesus homework!

[@FrostByte112]

@@Poptart21298 Haha

[@Jaryism]

I know, remember when ppl could actually get together and discuss? The Left and post modernism is destroying our country and institutions..

[@dVTHoR]

Absolutely Prophetic, he saw the red herring 15-20 years in advance, and nailed it.

[@punhoss]

victimhood in 1994.. .wow... they had no idea how far it was going to go.

[@bradypats1]

Yeah, we elected one :|

[@SempraLaura]

@@bradypats1 Trump never played the victim card. It was beneath him. I’m sure you’re talking about someone else or you choose to believe this.

[@robbonsw5666]

@@bradypats1 everyone you elect is one grow up

[@majdavojnikovic]

@NonCaptatMuscas 94 poor him :))) don't you see the another level, he is seducing all of them without even looking at their eyes. He speaks inteligently, non ofensivly but standing by his point ( like the part mentioning "our animal rights", and look how those girls look at him, how they laugh at his words. So, don't feel offended by female feminists, use the attention and turn it around. Sure, you have to be quite inteligent to do so, but, that is what human evolution is asking of you any way...

[@3000MrGian]

@@bradypats1 it’s much worse now

[@Bazhul]

If he only knew what 2016 was like....

[@Patrickz1984]

It's probably better that he doesn't.

[@CoolHandLuke7]

lol, that was my thought

[@michaelhart1072]

was like?!?! what year are you living in?!?

[@areyouforeal]

He died 5 years ago Michael Hart

[@michaelhart1072]

Cam B​ I know. But he said was like. Should be is like because we are still in 2016 and no where near it's end

[@cubablue602]

A brilliant mind that understood human nature implicitly and anticipated so much of the social morass we see today. He’ll be missed for a long time yet.

[@sEaNoYeAh]

He predicted the entire movement of grievance studies and cancel culture. Now more than ever he is keenly missed in culture. Also, full credit to everyone involved here for a very civil discussion over things that matter. That is sorely absent today.

[@HumanTypewriter]

Yes, weird how you missed the part where he called out your kind of person who would cry victim at this kind of thing. It baffels me how you cry victim about people claiming to be a victim and yet don't see any part of yourself in his condemnation

[@user.--.]

​​@@HumanTypewriterPointing out his point isn't complaining, appointing yourself a victim or a regression to infantilism.... How did you miss that?

[@HarryHafsak]

Or maybe he just understands human nature cause it hasn’t changed. Ever. Not since Adam disobeyed God and ate the fruit.

[@mikespearwood3914]

@@HumanTypewriter Grow up!!

[@sirianljb8264]

Hitchen's saw it all coming.

[@chopin65]

So did many intelligent people, only he didn't lie about it to himself, or to his readers and fans.

[@shawarmageddonit]

*Hitchens

[@sidarthur8706]

coming? it was there

[@therearenoshortcuts9868]

sadly he saw it coming but still can't do anything to stop it the ice berg you will hit, and can't change course is the saddest

[@psyclotronxx3083]

He certainly did. What a loss

[@manasmehra3907]

When Hitchens talks, everyone listens.

[@marionow6227]

Well they only took the takes where he is speaking

[@thatsjohnnyt6480]

I believe it’s because Hitchens always had something thought provoking to say. Brilliant

[@asner1]

. . . everyone "should" listen.

[@TonyEnglandUK]

That was my only problem with Hitchens. He was an incredible speaker..... and a truly dreadful listener. People didn't debate with him, they chanced their arm at interrupting him.

[@TTInfiniteGaming]

idk man. when that woman tried to blame media for women's rape fantasies, he was able to read between the lines beautifully. the way she smiled at him was a clear indicator that she felt heard. seems like a good listener to me but this is the first clip I've ever seen of him.

[@ronbo2225]

We need him today more then ever

[@wallacelovecraft8942]

3:33 Is one of the reasons why Hitch knows his shit. He recovers after being called out. He just can pin point so much knowledge. Always impressed.

[@ChildoftheKoRnf9]

Not the person we deserved, but the person we needed. You left us too soon. You also nailed it on the head, Mr Hitchens.

[@swilly27]

the head?

[@GuppyPal]

1994 and all of this is just as relevant today in 2016. :S

[@ScrewFearMe]

the current year

[@a.nahari380]

oh yeah

[@nousautres8519]

that's because NOTGING has changed. we get the illusion something is different than but NOTGING has changed.

[@ScrewFearMe]

Nous Autres notging? what do you mean nothing has changed? things have changed.... some for the better but most for the worst

[@sineporfa9053]

And it will be relevant for the next centuries to come. Unless males die out and females reproduce artificially.

[@Alex-mn1fb]

Hitch and his intellect, arguments and prophetic powers aside, how I miss this era where people had hard conversations, and maintained decency, utterly polite and articulate.

[@brentprosser5563]

As with this room, and every room he ever went into, he is the smartest, most articulate person in the room. Everyone else talks over each other, until he speaks. Then everyone seems to yield. I miss this man so much.

[@GLOKD]

Woah Hitchens was talking about the 'victimhood business' and campus authoritarianism in 1994? Visionary.

[@michaeljames4904]

Via French post-structuralism, high brow American university faculties, had already started to infect their partners internationally across the West, _at the time of this recording,_ with what was then being called Political Correctness, which in turn opened the door for contemporary Identity Politics.

[@oliviu-dorianconstantinesc288]

Everyone in the academia saw it comming since the 70's. Check Life of Brian and Monty Python called it even before Hitch.

[@jlall4467]

@@oliviu-dorianconstantinesc288 when political correctness ended in the late 60s the seeds for a new type of political correctness grew, (people talk about 70s movies the best because there was little political correctness) and eventually started going out of the uni and into the mainstream at around the early 80s. (Ps this is just my opinion)

[@alanwayne369]

@@oliviu-dorianconstantinesc288 Even Nietzsche said that "No one is inferior than he who insist equality."

[@richie1957aus]

They were already talking about victimhood and infantilization of university students in 1994! Here we are 22 years later, and the situation is 1000 times worse.

[@MattSingh1]

It's even worse, as it doesn't break down along left-right lines either. Both sides, and people of no side at all, like to whine and whimper 'that's offense!', as if somehow (1) those two words constitute and argument, and (2) the claiming of offense means they're right.

[@gunsgiftsgalleries7711]

+Matthew Singh-Dosanjh today's liberal professors and leftwing students are far more prone to take offense than the right. this can be observed on any campus in the West.

[@MattSingh1]

GunsGifts Galleries Completely wrong- the Christian right in the US has a persecution complex. They're always crying in a self-pitying manner about how repressed they are, and they generally cannot take any criticism of their crackpot beliefs. Then there's also the nutjob gun fetishists, who constantly live in a sate of paranoia and whining and whimpering complaint about fictitious plans to take away their precious arms.

[@gunsgiftsgalleries7711]

Matthew Singh-Dosanjh​ a few gun toting Bible morons are nothing compared to the horde of perpetually offended 3rd wave feminists and social justice warriors. I also find Christians and gun people are much more willing to engage in debate and don't try to stop their opponents from speaking , unlike the left today who would rather brand you a bigot and get you silenced. 

[@gunsgiftsgalleries7711]

Matthew Singh-Dosanjh​ 20 plus years ago the religious right might have been the bigger enemy to free speech but unfortunately today it's the left.

[@Siggi-Bear]

I mean look at this guy. These women clearly disagree with him. But boy do they like him.

[@catholicspaniard8796]

The more a woman disagrees with you, and sees your integrity, the more she is gonna want you. It is Women 101.

[@warrenrooks2251]

It’s the “male vulnerability” card chapter 6 in my book lol the ladies swoon can’t help themselves!

[@opalrose3014]

Ooo, say it again, Hitch! Lol

[@chopin65]

Well, they are indoctrinated into cult like modes of thinking, a lot in the way men are indoctrinated into machoism, the symbols of it being traditional forms of masculine traits, seen as virtues in men. We can all name them, just like we can name the traits that are popularly believed to be feminine and therefore unmasculine. They are responding to his intelligence, and to frankness. He had little risk because he built a reputation based on thinking and working as a contrarian. People respected his courage of thought and his commitment to classic Enlightenment values, and his humanist principals. I didn't accede to all of his arguments and claims, and there were occasions when he was being the classic hellraiser (particularly when he went after religiously minded folks), but damn it all, the man set a good example philosophically, and could out logic the very best. Let's be honest, he will be missed. We don't get many thinkers like him. One appears a generation, and a handful a century. He goes into my hall of heroes along with other examples like Paglia and Arendt. Mind you, my list is personal, and I only mention the names of persons who have been examples of moral and intellectual courage for me. For example, I would add Sam Harris, George Orwell, Joseph Campbell, Michel de Montaigne, Voltaire, Oscar Wilde... I am sure your list is as compelling.

[@chopin65]

@@opalrose3014 LOL. You made me chuckle.

[@nigelscott1922]

We should all be very grateful that Christopher was filmed so much that we can enjoy such intelligent conversation.

[@DannyOConnor1991]

"I think Objectification is an absolutely stupid word and I'm fed up with it. I think it's being over used like empowerment. When I look at that picture if you want to hold it up again (*picture is then raised by the presenter*). What I see there is not just a sexual object, though undoubtedly she is an object. Everyone is an object to everyone else. But I also see a subject. I mean she's a great subject. Sex is a great subject. Women are with male conversation a tremendous subject. I'm told the same is true the other way around. Subjectification, in other words if people talked a bit less about themselves and how the personal is political and the whole area of contestation is all to do with their own psyche, and their own needs, and dreads, and feelings, and a bit more about society. We might get on a bit better." - Hitch-slap of the highest calibre...

[@nitroyetevn]

@Carol Yes you're correct, but he's not claiming that there's literally no situation where the meaning of the term objectification is ever carried out or that it's a good thing. He's specifically saying that the word is overused in a manner that doesn't correspond to it's literal meaning, through highlighting the fact that because "objectification" contains the word "object" people easily misunderstand its applicability to any case where a person is the "object" of your attention. This is just a cognitive error that commonly happens where one word means two different things, but even knowledgeable people begin attributing the first meaning when only the second case applies. He quips "we're all objects to each other," because obviously we all view each other as an external object of attention, but clearly there's no implication of degradation unless it's literally present.

[@sirriffsalot4158]

A more than worthy introduction to a book on the subject, uttered in real-time. What a brain this gentleman had.

[@ArthurKaletzky]

Gave it a "like" but it's not really a coherent argument, it jumps around. It's uttered in the same spirit and has the same [logical] quality as the usages he is attacking. He's being sarcastic and fun but not all that reliable. He conflates 2 separate denotations of "subject", as far as I can see. Overall, he's "selling" his conclusion, humorously and effectively, but not justifying it rigorously.

[@sirriffsalot4158]

​@@ArthurKaletzky He's pointing out that such images should, and are better off for it, if they were talked about with more substance and nuanced reverence than just the tired old "She's being objectified." This one-sided comment or attitude is an insult, not only to the person being told this, as if we are incapable of having more sophisticated influxes than that of a boner when faced with such an image, but also to the woman on the magazine. He's making a sensible call for making this into something more than just a matter of the proverbial "meat-market"-discussion. If we were to do so, we might also suddenly see this kind of imagery as less "problematic", while simultaneously being able to get along more easily. What's the problem here? I honestly have trouble understanding how these remarks aren't coming across as sensible and justified to you.

[@ArthurKaletzky]

@@sirriffsalot4158 More substance agreed, reverence no, perhaps respect would be adequate. I agree with most of what Hitchens saying. But it's a witty, entertaining conversation, not rigorous argument - which I'm certain Hitchens could do in another context. I agree, it's a good blurb for the book :)

[@AltumNovo]

"It will be unstoppable, completely negative, and boring." The all seeing overlord Hitchens is once again dealing hitch slaps into the future.

[@mayorofthenonsense]

Ladies and Gentlemen, this is how it used to be, and it’s not even that long ago either. People could sit around a table and discuss difficult, controversial topics without screaming like hysterical children. It doesn’t that mean it was perfect, nor that arguments did not sometimes become heated, but we at least tried to allow one another to finish our sentences.

[@kmensa5301]

As a theist, I have always admired the courage C. Hichens.

[@failzgamer]

I admire your courage for being a theist. To be so dead wrong, when the facts are right in front of you. How you choose to live in such a world of delusion is quite interesting to say the least.

[@RidinMyGrandmasCadillac]

​@@failzgamer*tips fedora*

[@tiaandeswardt7741]

We need this guy today.

[@HumanTypewriter]

Hahah he would probably hate you.

[@mikeydflyingtoaster]

he realised it was regression all that time ago. I miss him dearly

[@itsacorporatething]

Michael Dunn what is “it” in your sentence?

[@georgetait386]

Quite telling how when everybody is talking over eachother, then hitch starts to speak… silence. The respect he commanded purely on the quality of his speech and ideas is fantastic

[@phillacey878]

The man who very probably understood human nature more than anyone else on the planet what a brilliant mind. Hopefully he inspired more people especially young people to think outside the box and grasp the bigger picture RIP HITCH.

[@vishmonster]

Christopher was simply too good for this world.

[@lessevdoolbretsim]

Let's not go crazy.

[@Namezzzzzzz]

yes, if only he could defend the invasion of iraq a little bit longer

[@MeGrimlock88]

gngndthg jyhhf i

[@tofu8688]

Jazzkeyboardist1 I’ve seen you on almost every Hitchens video. You’re compulsively comment about Hitchens sex life. Do you dream about having sex with Hitchens? It’s okay to be gay

[@josephno1347]

Beautiful person, I wish I could have met him

[@johnny5tunes]

I wish I’d found Hitch years ago when I was younger, I could listen to him all day and still not get tired of hearing him.RIP.x

[@ethiocinemas]

He was one of the orator that I admire. He put his thoughts into words in a manner originallity.

[@smoly37]

Thanks for putting up this comprimed version. I watched the whole conversation, which is indeed very tiring because a lot of talking is not comprehensable.

[@SleepyMatt-zzz]

This is what a real man is. Stoicism, intelegence, and integrity are what every man should strive for.

[@Cyrusislikeawsome]

Matthew Fox Why men specifically?

[@SleepyMatt-zzz]

I was kind of in a different mind set at the time. Upon reflection, this is what EVERYONE should strive for.

[@Cyrusislikeawsome]

That's the only point I was trying to make :)

[@virtuousglean7216]

Stoicism is good. I'm a stoic in the female sense. It's good to have control over your emotions, especially in situations just like this one. Be able to step outside and rationalize things from an observational view, being able to see systems and their logical conclusions in a way that does not need to appeal to people to "just feel it". It's so important.

[@iloveass2289]

Intelligence*

[@danielbac1991]

What really strikes me in this talk is how rational and calm all the participants are. They all for the most part disagree with Hitchens views, but they attack his ideas and not him personally. Everyone is striving for clearer articulation of the truth, the way a debate should be. If this were today, they would be calling him sexist and a bigot and there would be people protesting Hitchens and yelling shame. Really shows you have radical the far left has come in 22 years.

[@nitroyetevn]

I agree with your main point, but to be fair: without knowing for certain, my suspicion is that none of the participants are particularly radical. Radical compared to the center-right of the 90's - perhaps. But not radical for the 90's. There definitely were people that would have behaved as you said around in the 90's.

[@carolynscott9007]

You do realize this video is about Hitchens view of feminism at that time and it doesn't show the entire debate. It clearly edited most of the other views out. I saw the other participants show mostly in their body language a little shock, some respect and some doubt. I doubt many people could think Hitchens sexist or bigoted. Perhaps the infantilizing he talked about could represent some of us.

[@conorcorrigan765]

To be fair, Naomi Wolfe does try to insinuate that Katie Roiphe is a rape-apologist at several points... Aside from constantly talking down to and belittling her...

[@kevinherd3437]

It's ironic you mention the left, obviously the right can be plenty belligerent. Extreme emotional actions are apt to draw similar reactions

[@l.kaywilson1009]

@@jgt_ you mean when men are gracious

[@PaulOutsidetheWalls]

Her comment at 11:10 with Hitchen’s response to her was a great exchange. He defended women well in front of a feminist.

[@user-vz3iy2if8h]

This used to be what debate on US television was. What the hell hapenened us?

[@br0mouzone]

3:50 - 4:38, Hitchens' prescience yet again comes to the fore, as he warns us about the growing infantilism promulgated in college campuses which has come to plague us terribly today. What a man, Hitch was.

[@TheFluffyDuck]

"Not an object but a subject" - omg I love hitchens, I will steal this.

[@lakshen47]

Gah I miss you Hitch, I'm thankful we have these videos.

[@jackgenre11]

When TV had reasoned debates it feels like centuries ago. This is so enlightening

[@PeterLambert2211]

Wow! This is how to have a conversation about adult topics like an adult. Very interesting, Hitchens was such an interesting man.

[@glasshalffull4061]

If you watch closely, he works the entire table, quickly taking over the conversation with absolute sense, sheer intelligence and wit.

[@jamescarr4662]

oh calm down

[@glasshalffull4061]

@@jamescarr4662 Yours is a curious comment.

[@HarryHafsak]

@@glasshalffull4061lol not really. Tell us to you’re infatuated without saying you’re infatuated lol

[@glasshalffull4061]

@@HarryHafsak It is possible to admire a man's communication skills without becoming infatuated with him.

[@RapidBlindfolds]

don't forget that this has been edited so the points of the opposition have been almost completely cut out? you can't really be like 'hah, owned' when the clip has been edited such that its 95% him talking

[@GaryLongsine]

Certain of the debates in which Christopher Hitchens was a participant are best viewed in this form, with the opponent cliche nonsense edited out, as a time saver. This, however, is a conversation, and whatever brilliance Hitchens offered here is best appreciated in the full context of the conversation. It's lovely to see these bright people who disagree about some things and agree about others getting along in a conversation this way.

[@PistolsMcGee]

Seeing Charlie Rose moderate a discussion on this topic is a bit jarring knowing what we know now.

[@jumpyourbone]

Is this interview available anywhere in full? Hitchens is beautifully spoken and prescient as usual but it's kind of annoying only hearing the other guests trailing off or being interrupted in their responses. Would prefer to hear him in the context of the actual larger conversation- his insights are most interesting / relevant that way

[@ManufacturingIntellect]

Yes, the link is in the description. You can watch the full panel here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/haOUkGRphL-bnpI

[@josecartin825]

Any possibility of a transcript or better subtitles? Hitchens is brilliant, but sometimes his mumbling is not very clear (to me). Could be my fault as English is not my first language, but subtitles here are horrible and a transcript would do wonderful. Any chance?

[@soundhealer6043]

Agreed. Some context is needed. This edited version is rather disrespectful to the other guests, although I do understand the purpose of this edited version.

[@soundhealer6043]

English is my only language, (one of the American versions), and I too have a hard time understanding Hitchens when he sort of mumbles. I have the same issue with Stephen Frye.

[@roxee57]

+Richard Plunkett There's a link in the description box

[@numberfreee]

What a fucking loss to our species. RIP you beautiful genius.

[@infinatiAM]

How prophetic Mr. Hitchens was due to his rational observation! My, my- its 2021 and multiplying.

[@andrewwhite8762]

Such a joy to listen Hitchens speak.

[@a.nahari380]

10 june 2016, we still wanna hear him

[@a.nahari380]

26 july 2016, can't get enough of him

[@nicolaspeigne1429]

08 september 2016, still missing him

[@takeoffyourblinkers]

You will never see feminists acting like this anymore, I mean civil by the way.

[@Evan8787]

Ya but still utilizing classic feminist tactics, like constantly interrupting and not letting him finish.

[@CaalamusTube]

...they also felt so entitled to touch him. Not to mention the naked condescension! "Oh! You admit male vulnerability?! GOOD BOY! Have a cookie!!!" ( is that Naomi Wolf!? )

[@takeoffyourblinkers]

Caalamus Yes that's Naomi alright... Ugh!

[@CaalamusTube]

***** Yeah, I can't help thinking what an attractive person she'd be, were it not for the painfully apparent *ROT* she's filled with! So self assured. Completely un-self aware!

[@lordofdrones]

Even when they're (I'm including the regressive left in the they here) interrupting him, which happens frequently, they're not trying to shout over him and they stop when he carries on talking.

[@codymcgrew4015]

While I can sympathize with the bit about infantilization, I find it in extremely poor taste to compare women going to the dean for being groped, in other words, sexually assaulted, to people being “babied.” Being groped is not the same as shouting that the professor should be fired cause he said something you disagree with. And then, to top it all off, he says men will begin whining there way to the dean in similar fashion. To that of being sexually assaulted??? Jesus, what a profound idea… 🙄

[@neverbeforeseenvideos2249]

2022 and we still haven’t learned a thing from this great Christopher Hitchens

[@hoodoooperator.5197]

"Men will want a share in the victimhood business". Hitchens predicted the entire MGTOW movement... My man! :D

[@hoodoooperator.5197]

These are literally... Very literally the words of a mgtow keyboard warrior. Absurd aggression for no reason other than your ideas have been questioned. Don't like what you hear? Threaten or harass the speaker! The EXACT tactics of SJWs. Peace.

[@JuanPabloSelvaje]

+Wytchfinde Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Go lick the boots of your masters? Seriously?

[@syndicoftitan8306]

I don't know if Mgtow is an infantalist movement, but you sure sound like a big baby. You're going to beat someone up for disagreeing with you? Grow up dummy.

[@syndicoftitan8306]

Wytchfinde This will be my last comment to you because I see now that no arguement will even have you consider self-reflection. You've obviously been indoctrinated into a dogmatic belief system that is the bizare twin of third wave feminism. Both of these idiotic cults rely on appealing to their follower's most base instincts, rarely seeing the true cause of thier grievances. As far as MGTOW is concerned, many of their adherents do take part in the victimhood business, resorting to ad homonim attacks, and all sorts of intellectual dishonesty, none of which is based in reason. You idiots have actually fed into the roaring fire that is third wave feminism, giving credence to their moronic claims about men and the so called "patriarchy".

[@2126Eliza]

Lol....not as many likes for this one. I think it's gold!

[@Guy_de_Loimbard]

3:49-4:37 and 6:04-6:30 -- Damn, Hitchens absolutely nailed it in predicting "regression to infantalism" on university campuses Here we are 20 years later and universities are verily overrun with safe-space whiners, micro-aggressed crybabies, and identity grievance-mongers of every conceivable stripe who want to lash out viciously at anything that contradicts their worldview and then demand they be shielded from the inevitable pushback like emotionally frail children in adult bodies. One can only hope the pendulum has swung as far as it can swing and the grown-ups will soon be back in charge of our college campuses.

[@AbhishekVerma-jk2tt]

Seriously.

[@jumpyourbone]

Ever read Paglia?

[@Guy_de_Loimbard]

jumpyourbone Not extensively, but enough to know that she too has no use or patience for the tantrum-throwing proto-fascists on today's campuses or the administrations who let them get away with it.

[@jhint1929]

@@comedychrises Ok, look up evergreen state college. Mischaracterisation right?

[@gibsonflyingv2820]

@@jhint1929 That was in like 2016, meanwhile your side has moved on to becoming full on Nazi sociopaths.

[@Yaarrr]

The point he makes about students wanting the universities to have more authority and more control over their personal lives is far more true now than when he said this in the 90s. Very prescient.

[@roseparade_]

Really? This is funny. Most people get mad at ‘students these days’ for daring to question authority and push for changes (like they haven’t always done that)

[@RapidBlindfolds]

@@roseparade_ so true, especially if you look at climate change activism

[@bigmofarah9084]

My word, look at them listening to each other and not screaming in each other's faces!

[@traversdow1522]

This was 21 years ago and this same BS is still being peddled - he totally called it with the infantilizing and the massive coddling of students happening today.

[@jennyryan897]

Hitch was an amazing man and i can listen to him all day.

[@Gallowglass7]

It's absolutely heartbreaking he passed away. A deep loss

[@nettietrees7238]

Wow 1994! And he’s right - I do see feminism as bad mouthing men, and my husband and sons are everything to me. They lump the worst cases of misogyny in to the whole. And yes, as a working class mother I also do not count myself as a feminist because my choice to be a mother of multiple children, and be a stay at home mother has been bad mouthed.

[@TMA2]

we have almost no people left with such disarming, charming personalities as Hitchens. i love how he could be critical and not buy 100% of their feminist dogma while still putting everyone around him at ease. this was clearly exemplified in his interview with Larry Taunton (that lying human scum) when, after Taunton said he was his friend, Hitchens responded iirc that he didn't recognize an enemy when he saw one. i loved that.

[@TMA2]

then again, perhaps the feminists of two decades ago (besides Andrea Dworkin types) were at least some measure more willing to listen to a viewpoint that, even if it wasn't directly opposed to their own, wasn't necessarily in agreement.

[@Braylon18]

Perfectly said. 👌🏽

[@couragethecowardly]

thanks for uploading both versions. i like how calm and respectful everyone is in this conversation. if it was had today everyone would be yelling their points. and hitchens would be a zombie...

[@balthazarklarwein]

Where can one watch the full conversation? Interested in hearing the other members feedback.

[@myklmusic]

I learned a lot about Male/Female interactions while listening to my older Sister interacting with Her GirlFriends. There was little difference between actions among Women and Men beyond complaining of Women. Men simply didn't complain as much or in the same way. They made that point very clear.

[@Dukeyforthewin]

"the victim-hood business" lmao that business is booming more than ever nowadays

[@GeneralZod99]

Is it just me or are the women on the panel (especially the one in purple) a little smitten with Hitch?

[@Gotenks7Kid]

british accent, intelligent, suave, eloquent and all round brilliant. who wouldnt be smitten?

[@killer3000ad]

For sure. He's an intellectual giant who is verbally and mentally man-handling all the people at the table. He's so dominating, that these women clearly want to be dominated by him.

[@suejak1]

lol, it doesn't take you weirdos long to get creepy. American men love to masturbate to the Hitch.

[@gildedage88]

It's true. Watch the way they dip and bow their heads to him. And like little girls to daddy, they can't help but touch him to get his attention. it's cute.

[@Gotenks7Kid]

***** and women view men the same way. get over it. p.s. are we still on for the picket next week?

[@runthenumbers9698]

I like the contempt with which Christopher Hitchens always addresses things as "boring" You would swear that Hitch believes that to be boring is far worse than to be wicked

[@MagnumTriumph]

The saddest thing is that people out there who are actual victims but aren't exploitative of the system tend to get ignored.

[@Murasame]

So relevant it's insane.

[@jonathanshaw7355]

Nothing changes ever, The same things keep cropping up time and time again.,

[@s0lid_sno0ks]

Legendary personality

[@joelkeane3160]

Hitchens is a great example of the straight forward but brushed aside point that clear, organised thinking is the key factor in any successful panel discussion. Charlie Rose on the hand seems to be a guy who talks on the whim of popular consensus and the days headlines.

[@glowgirl8171]

He worked that table like a boss.

[@isaiahbasaldua924]

Truly an eloquent speaker who sought to get too the objective point of view. Hitchens was ahead of his time we need more thoughtful polemics in this polarizing age.

[@nativeatheist6422]

I wish men like these were still around. So much wisdom.

[@ararune3734]

They're around, just not around you.

[@lucwolthers921]

The most sober voice of the modern era! Despite of his proclivity towards whiskey. Miss you Hitch.

[@jordanmarshall9160]

I was the 2000 like. Classic Hitch. We all miss this man.

[@chrispraz877]

We were so lucky to have Mr.Hitchens here in America. And thank God we have these records of his thinking. We miss you Mr. Hitchens.

[@MeanMrMustard85]

How scarily accurate Hitchens was in his prediction of the masses claiming victim hood .

[@enola8624]

Maybe declining living conditions, stagnate wages and rising costs of living could be a reason for people being piss off, stupid rich idiot.

[@tenacioustubbs8358]

I sometimes feel that Christopher Hitchens must have been, if I believed in such things, almost supernaturally prescient.

[@angelinar5035]

He knew history and observed like very few in his profession - or in the world in general. When you're of that inclination (curious, questioning), you notice patterns and it becomes apparent where we're heading.

[@VidzMisc]

very true, anytime i want to understand the current status quo, i simply refer to prior civil discourse and history books

[@waseem7195]

Mua'dhib of his time

[@batman-sr2px]

only cause you agree with them

[@Jamie-js3qw]

come off it...

[@bcmcinnis]

"......everyone will want a stake in the victimhood business". How correct he was.

[@HumanTypewriter]

You more than anyone it seems

[@adamp6541]

Well actually, he said "men will want a stake in the victimhood business"

[@Relugus]

Victim culture is a pre-occupation of the middle classes.

[@ivicakovac797]

I just noticed that Hitch wore the Bosnian coat of arms on the collar lapel. In 1994 this meant a lot. Great man, great mind! R.I.P. Hitch!

[@jeminiany222]

Haven't seen or heard anyone on TV near Hitch's intellect or way with words

[@RealRoknRollr3108]

Wow this interview could have been from today! People should've heeded this warning 22 years ago!

[@mosaic617]

uncanny that he predicted this in 95

[@Kaufmanesque]

Seeing Charlie Rose in this context gave me chills.

[@charleswinokoor6023]

“a regression to infantilism” Correct, and it’s become the norm for the wider U.S. educational system.

[@AlienAmerican]

Those women to either side looked like they wanted to eat Christopher. What a smooth cat.

[@blitheixgaming1289]

@Jazzkeyboardist1 what

[@richardcrook2112]

The one in the blue licked her lips when he compared his penis to a cruise missile.

[@2fast2block]

@Sylvester Sanchez come on, you're a dingbat that thinks Hitch would be able to get around those laws and what I wrote about faith. Go rub your pleasure zone since it's all you have left, you bozo.

[@Matthiasschweizer]

@@2fast2block are you pretending to be a Christian?

[@2fast2block]

@@Matthiasschweizer well give me the pretend part. I clearly put what is going to happen to Hitch, what biblical faith means, and how we got creation. Do tell what was wrong with it or just keep on be the worthless wimp you are pretending to have a halo so pure and holy when all you show is you have your tail between your legs.