Chromosomes 2- Biological sex and gender

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Wendy Riggs

Wendy Riggs

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Part 2 (of 8) in a lecture on “Chromosomal Inheritance” for a non-majors General Biology course. Watch all 8 video clips by going to the PLAYLIST: • Biology #17- Chromosom...

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@Vic2point0
@Vic2point0 Жыл бұрын
Sex and gender are one and the same, and we've known this for a long time now. It's the very reason the roles we're expected to play based on our biological sex are called "gender roles" to begin with. And when people say that gender refers to the social and cultural differences between males and females, they're really just confusing gender itself with gender roles and norms. As for your definition of "gender: how you feel about your gender", this is also incoherent, as none of us have a basis for that comparison. We've each only been just the one gender, so we'd have no way of knowing the difference between "feeling like" a man vs. "feeling like" a woman, or indeed if such a difference exists at all.
@wendy-riggs
@wendy-riggs Жыл бұрын
This is exactly why it is important to establish the definitions we're using in this class. There are many folks who disagree with the definitions I am using. I'm confident in the biological accuracy of the definitions I've chosen and am really glad to take the time to ensure clear communication by stating them up front.
@Vic2point0
@Vic2point0 Жыл бұрын
@@wendy-riggs Did you read the comment? I'm pointing out that the definitions offered to try and make "sex" and "gender" different things don't work.
@lukemini9021
@lukemini9021 2 ай бұрын
@@Vic2point0 gender is related to sex, but not it by any means. people in real life don't refer to each other by their sex, thats stupid. do you like check the chrosomes of the person youre talking to determine their gender? no you cant. you mostly make a guess based on their apperance, voice, behavior, etc. "It's the very reason the roles we're expected to play based on our biological sex are called "gender roles" to begin with" no not really, people usually expect you to conform to your identified gender's social norms. mostly based on your apperance, but even that is now fading away "And when people say that gender refers to the social and cultural differences between males and females, they're really just confusing gender itself with gender roles and norms." gender is a collective of gender norms and physical look. you can't really define what a woman or man or what they are supposed to be or do objectively. every society has their own norms. "As for your definition of "gender: how you feel about your gender", this is also incoherent, as none of us have a basis for that comparison" we.. do? your basis for comparison is the social norms for that gender? or other people that identify as that gender? but again, since none of these genders have clear cut definitions to them, you don't really need a "basis of comparison" anyway "We've each only been just the one gender, so we'd have no way of knowing the difference between "feeling like" a man vs. "feeling like" a woman, or indeed if such a difference exists at all." you know transgender people exist right? so there *is* a way to know what feeling like x gender means?
@Vic2point0
@Vic2point0 2 ай бұрын
​@@lukemini9021 "gender is related to sex, but not it by any means." Well until your side can give a workable definition for "gender" to distinguish it from sex, I've no reason to agree with you on that. "do you like check the chrosomes of the person youre talking to determine their gender?" I look for markers that typically come with certain chromosomal pairings. BTW, your sex is determined biologically but not always by chromosomes. "you mostly make a guess based on their apperance, voice, behavior, etc." Sure, because these *tend* to honestly reflect someone's gender but not always. "people usually expect you to conform to your identified gender's social norms." Not at all. "Gender norms" always referred to the normal behavior of biological males and females. And just like with "gender", your side consistently fails in giving workable definitions for "man" and "woman" which is why we reject your use of those terms as well. "gender is a collective of gender norms and physical look." Oh? So if someone identifies as a woman but refuses to adhere to the gender norms and appearance expected of women in their culture, they're wrong about their own gender? "you can't really define what a woman or man" *I* can, but I get that you're saying *you* can't and want to gaslight people into thinking that's a universal problem. ME: "As for your definition of "gender: how you feel about your gender", this is also incoherent, as none of us have a basis for that comparison. We've each only been just the one gender, so we'd have no way of knowing the difference between "feeling like" a man vs. "feeling like" a woman, or indeed if such a difference exists at all." YOU: "you know transgender people exist right?" I know there are people who think they're a different gender from their biological sex, but as we've discussed, they can't make logical sense of that belief. "so there is a way to know what feeling like x gender means?" So you claim. But again, how do you know the difference between "feeling like" a man and "feeling like" a woman, unless you've felt both? And if you *have* felt both, it comes back down to the question of, how do you know which feeling is correct?
@lukemini9021
@lukemini9021 2 ай бұрын
@@Vic2point0 i'm not sure what you mean by my side but gender dictionarily and socially is different from sex. if you're asking for a specific definition of gender ig u can look the dictionary definition of it up? or do you mean what my perception of gender is? to me it doesn't mean much, it's a very blurry and meaningless thing. "I look for markers that typically come with certain chromosomal pairings" okay i dont know why you're doing this. you don't do that and we both know it. you look for voice, hair, face structure, etc. if you meant those things by "chrosomal pairings" well uhh theres very feminen males and very masculen women. idk what to tell u on that "Sure, because these tend to honestly reflect someone's gender but not always." you're right on that one "Not at all. "Gender norms" always referred to the normal behavior of biological males and females. And just like with "gender", your side consistently fails in giving workable definitions for "man" and "woman" which is why we reject your use of those terms as well." you're right that gender norms are primarily for men and women, because other ones hasnt had that much social existence so theres no expected behaviour from them. it is not biological tho. if people percieve you to be x, they want you to act like x. i guess this loops back to the can you determine ones gender by looking at them thing. "I can, but I get that you're saying you can't and want to gaslight people into thinking that's a universal problem." i dont know how you can define a social term as comprehensive and vague as man/woman. because to do so would be implying every single man must adhere to it, which is like impossible. "So if someone identifies as a woman but refuses to adhere to the gender norms and appearance expected of women in their culture, they're wrong about their own gender?" hmm you're right. i would say gender is what the person wants other people to percieve or call them as i guess. "I know there are people who think they're a different gender from their biological sex, but as we've discussed, they can't make logical sense of that belief." a bit rude there. makes me think you're arguing with a culture war mindset instead of a scientific one. you know this forum is under an uni-level education video right? "But again, how do you know the difference between "feeling like" a man and "feeling like" a woman, unless you've felt both" by percieving other people of that gender i would assume. you see how they present themselves, how they are treated, what they do etc. and think to yourself "i want to be like that" too. there wouldn't really be "gender" wtihout social life. "And if you have felt both, it comes back down to the question of, how do you know which feeling is correct" probably identify as both? or neither? or another made up one? that's left for them i guess
@hosoiarchives4858
@hosoiarchives4858 7 ай бұрын
Sex is not assigned at birth, it’s been observed by doctors
@hosoiarchives4858
@hosoiarchives4858 7 ай бұрын
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