Chu Shong Tin on WING CHUN training with IP MAN in the 50s in Hong Kong

[@timfirth9025]

Fantastic Video.. I started W/C training in 2006, I them moved from Timaru to Christchurch in NZ in 2013. I wasn't able to train at the school in Chch at the time. So committed myself to doing SLT at least once a day. It was the best thing i did. When i got back to training at the school here in 2022. l was very grateful for the perseverance. You are right Nima, just a little training at least each week if not EVERYDAY, really does make a difference..

[@MindfulWingChun]

Great to hear that you're persistent and enjoying your practice Tim. All the best for you mate 🙏

[@DavidStewartLovegrove]

Brilliant video and explanation Nima, thanks for sharing! You mention this story if Sigung just standing and willing his Tan Sau to move at the 83rd Birthday get together and it really struck me. That seems to be a major key doesnt it. I remember 10 years ago Richard coming back from a week long seminar with Sigung and telling me that he talked of 'waiting for the (mind?) wind to blow the arm forward'. That is an exciting concept and you have been really confirming this for us. Thanks!

[@MindfulWingChun]

Yeah that was a big game changer for me too when I first heard sigung say that in 2005. That's why I asked so many questions like that when he was around, I just wanted to know what he did and how he did it. What his opinions were on different things even non Kung Fu related. Its very unfortunate that his students and family didn't sit him down and really dig into his head about his ideas and beliefs. Perhaps the Chinese way is a bit different. I only wish I could sit down and properly converse with him without an interpreter...

[@WingChunMindForce]

@@MindfulWingChun The language barrier is a huge thing isn't it, one thing I've noticed over the years is that Sigung said a lot of things in his videos that were not translated fully in the English. He often says Yi and Yi Sik but it gets glossed over. I have talked to Marc Ho in Sheffield a fair bit asking about these things because he speaks really excellent English and was close to Sigung. His videos are full of very useful concepts (particularily this Yi concept). Google translate is getting heaps better and I was really surprised when I fed it a scan of a page of the Chinese text in the book of Wing Chun and it translated it very accurately (at least as far as I could tell). I wish I could speak Cantonese like you 😀 So much subtlety of thought is in the language. Cheers mate, thinking of you and yours, hope you're all safe and well

[@MindfulWingChun]

@@WingChunMindForce Yeah it was a huge barrier when I first got here. I knew I was always getting the translators idea or understanding of what sigung was saying. That's what made me really try and understand the language for myself. I'm far from being about to understand 100 percent what he was saying but even the amount I know is enough to know that many translators brushed past so many key things he said. Yeah Mark was one of the good translators but unfortunately he was there for a total of a couple ofonrhs in the 9years I was there. In the latter year 2 of the best translators were Matt Lau who moved here from Canada and Wilfred who's a young aussie from the academy. Both of them were amazing. And cheers for the kind wishes mate, right back achya!

[@johnrogers4983]

Another Priceless Treasure, thanks a lot Nima :)

[@MindfulWingChun]

My pleasure John, glad you liked it.

[@patarikisoterion9899]

Wow that was sooo good Thanks Nima love to be taught by you in the future.

[@MindfulWingChun]

My pleasure man. I know I'm 4 years late on the reply, but the good news is that I have an online school in which I share the entire system of master Chu step by step. You may already be on there but if not you can check it out www.mindfulwingchun.online

[@yellostallion]

Agree! Persistent and practice each day

[@MindfulWingChun]

That is the key right?! We reap what we sow :)

[@marks2708]

loved the video Nima. thanks!

[@MindfulWingChun]

Glad you liked it Mark. Cheers

[@leoramirez4024]

Thanks for the video Nima did He ever talk about how good was IP Man had he already achieve his level of skill and relaxation

[@MindfulWingChun]

CST always spoke very highly of Ip Man's level. Ip Man coined CST 'King of SNT' which, perhaps, suggests that he saw a special level in CST that he didn't in himself or other students.

[@gnicevids]

only wished that i had a chance to meet him

[@MindfulWingChun]

Yeah man. Man ysay that. He was such a special person. I was so very lucky to have sucha close relationship with him in the last decade of his life. Certainly changed my path and view of life in many ways.

[@leoramirez4024]

thanks again for the information,, I have learned a lot just with your videos

[@MindfulWingChun]

Happy to hear that Leo. I'll keep making them and sharing with you guys. Pls help share with others that may also be able to benefit from this knowledge

[@Dan53196]

Nima when you describe that he would will the arm to move by itself, this is EXACTLY what I do with my hypnotherapy clients when I produce ideomotor movement in my clients. When they are in trance the unconscious will move the arm and the conscious mind does nothing it’s a very peculiar sensation. I also think that Siu Nim Tao could be a reference to trance. When a hypnotic trance occurs, there is very little thought which one could substitute for ‘little idea’ ie ‘little thought’. Perhaps the name is a suggestion to learn how to go into a hypnotic trance, and the slow and automatic movement of the arm allows one to build a powerful rapport with the unconscious mind and the structure of Wing Chun is thus processed at the deep unconscious level as an unconscious skill rather than a conscious skill. With trance you generally need three things: 1. absorption of attention (which quiets the mind and relaxes the body) This naturally leads to… 2. Bypassing the conscious mind which allows us too… 3. Stimulate the unconscious. I think there is some comparison between the notion of libido (which is a sort of ‘life force’) and chi. When libido is free flowing through the body, natural energy flow ensues and there is all round healthy functioning and homeostasis within the psycho-bio-social system. There are often somatic releases in the body where people suddenly feel lighter or they feel things ‘unblock’. I get this very often with my clients. Perhaps we are talking about the same things just with a different vocabulary. It is perhaps possible that Si Gung was activating some kind of raw instinctive power, kind of like maniacal strength, but in a controlled fashion. I could be wrong. What are your thoughts about that?

[@MindfulWingChun]

Hey Dan, I think that is a definite possibility. I don't have much experience with hypnotherapy, but what you said does make sense in terms of the feeling that I get in Siu Nim Tao. It also explains the trance-like state that I would feel when he would look in the eyes and help transmit or activate the state in me. I think the subconscious mind had a lot to do with what he was able to do, and perhaps that's why he would always encourage us not to 'think' too much or try to hard with our practice

[@Dan53196]

@@MindfulWingChun mate that’s exactly how I put people in trance! I go in to trance first and just by being absorbed in trance upon them, they will naturally, through rapport, go into a trance too. He was probably a master of hypnosis and didn’t know it in those terms. I use profound non-verbal communication to put people in trance, it’s a kind of covert hypnosis called conversational hypnosis. It was pioneered by the late Milton H Erickson whom the famous linguist and Anthropologist Gregory Bateson described as ‘the Mozart of communication’. It’s been said that it was almost impossible not to go into a trance around him because he lived in that space. One of the first things I was trained to do was practice going into a trance and staring in to the partners eyes. We had to learn to get comfortable doing it. The easiest way to put someone in trance is to go there your self first. Interestingly, when I’m completely absorbed in my clients, I don’t know if it’s something to do with the rods and cones in my eyes, but i see what appears to be some kind of energy. I see strange vivid colours that sort of fade in. It’s almost like I’m seeing the libido or something. I can make out changes and see when there is a somatic release in the body. It’s possible that, since my eyes are deeply absorbed in trance that my body begins to rely on the more primitive centre of vision in the pineal gland which serpents use to detect electromagnetic waves beyond the visible spectrum. Perhaps in the absence of conscious seeing, this more primitive visual centre is brought into action and feeds into and overlaps into the visual cortex. It’s a strange phenomena whatever it is but it’s quite common for hypnotherapists to see that kind of stuff apparently. Perhaps it could be something akin to perceiving a persons chi, who knows? When I see it, I know the person is in a deep trance and making changes and they always tell me that they feel completely different afterwards.

[@MindfulWingChun]

@Dan53196 super interesting... I just watched a video on Milton H. Erickson after you mentioned him and read up on him a bit. Found an interesting book called ' My voice will go with you ' that I'll check out. Cheers for that mate

[@Dan53196]

@@MindfulWingChun here’s an example of the ideomotor movement…kzbin.info/www/bejne/d4mVlJyVrNmWjbMsi=-gjVC4ReRB50l5tS

[@Dan53196]

@@MindfulWingChun enjoy 🙏

[@johnlinton6506]

Thank you for sharing this knowledge. Did CST ever talk about any type of spiritual or divine influence that helped cultivate this mind force?

[@MindfulWingChun]

No, he only practiced SNT to achieve what he called 'Nim Lik'.

[@xyc8882]

The drug for low platelet should be corticosteroid. But only recently it has been proven to damage the cartilage if the dosage is too high.

[@MindfulWingChun]

Thanks for that! It's a shame they gave that to him without knowing the side effects man. it smashed him!!

[@ДенисДенисов-ш9н]

Thanks! I wonder did Ip Man had the same power or less? I would not surprise if less:)

[@inspiringothers7197]

From what my masters have told me, which they trained with CST for many many years, Ip man apparently said that Chu had surpassed him in both Skill and Power(Mind force power that is). Now this was apparently said to Chu from Ip Man in person, which approximately, would have been 42-45 years before Chu died. Chu continued to get better over the next 40+ years until he unfortunately passed away in 2014 So, how far his Skill and Power surpassed Ip mans, would be hard to say, but Chu would have been on a level far above what it was when Ip man said that to him. However of course as he got older and in the later years, some aspects of his skill and power went down, while others continued to improve further. Simply put, in Chu's prime, he was far above Ip mans skills and power. I hope this helps answer your question :)

[@MindfulWingChun]

That's right. That's also what I heard from people in Hong kong. But you would never hear CHu Shong Tin admitting that. He was very old school and so his respect for his master was there till the last day.

[@Lakeside_WeightLoss]

Nima, what do you think of weight lifting and Wing Chun? Helpful or a hinderance? What sort of supplementary training would you (or did sigung) advise (such as running or skipping rope)?

[@MindfulWingChun]

I advise swimming. lifting weight or any other physical exercise is totally fine AS LONG AS YOU CAN FULLY RELAX AFTERWARDS :)

[@THEscenage]

The translation was not quite right in a few parts. The meaning probably got lost due to the translation

[@MindfulWingChun]

could you pls help to clarify the parts that may have been lost in translation?

[@THEscenage]

I'll have to watch it again and note the bits down

[@cman1072]

Good video

[@MindfulWingChun]

Happy you liked it man.

[@r2knbabrasil601]

Nima, you mentioned Sigung would also do 10.000 punches a day and 3.000 kicks? Do you have a routine like that?

[@MindfulWingChun]

yes I do But only a couple thousand punches and a few hundred kicks. I wish I had more time to do more :)

[@r2knbabrasil601]

AMAZING!!!! I am trying to make more time to practice also! I haven't played xbox for two months now. My wife was worried! Kkk

[@cgapd8663]

We still have 6-7 hours a day to train we just have other priorities these days.

[@MindfulWingChun]

True. It depends on what one's priorities are... Actually CST said once that its harder in these days to dedicate such amount of hours becasue there are plenty more distractions and activities etc. in his time, there were no cel phones and he didnt have TV. and obviously no social media. and there were a lot less attractions like movies etc. And since his work was Wing Chun, it was easy for him to spend that amount of time doing it.

[@tommyli6301]

Is the translator Chu Shong Tin's son? Was he able to learn this system from his father?

[@MindfulWingChun]

No thats Eddie Chan translating. He is also the one who translated CSTs book. His son did practice under him and still teaches in HK

[@tommyli6301]

@@MindfulWingChun thanks. It appears that this practice opens a part of the mind science don't even have a clue about. I read this book opening the dragon gate a few years ago. It is stuff of legend. Mind can affect physical reality.