HOW GOOD WAS KENDRICK??? HOW BAD WAS DRAKE ??? || HCPOD

[@Nunofyabizzzzz]

1:13:46 As an American hearing this part of the convo it’s clear that there’s a misunderstanding of what Kendrick meant. And many Americans feel the same way. Drake STEALS peoples original styles, sounds, etc. It’s not about a moment or damned if you do damned if you don’t. It’s that he uses and disposes of people like a used tissue when they’ve outlived their usefulness. And he uses them for what he lacks CULTURE and COOL factor. Most recent and small example Smino amazing smaller rapper has had HIS OWN style for years now: natural hair and barrettes. Drake stole that for his most recent “era”. He does it to everyone and the lucky ones are the ones that he formed a relationship with where he can go back to use them more than once like the ATL trappers. 21 to make him sound hard and hood, Future to him sound cool and reach the strippers and clubs etc. That’s cultural currency that he uses to propel himself while never actually doing anything FOR the culture. Someone using another’s cultural currency makes him a culture vulture or as Kendrick best put it a COLONIZER

[@SK-kp2qq]

Big up yaself

[@Bobsam-m1p]

Thank you for putting it that, esp. with the Smino example

[@Nyeb2002]

I wish everyone can see this before talking about this topic! Genuinely the cultural disconnect is so apparent when non Americans or non African Americans speak. It has nothing to do with drake’s jewish or mixed identity, which Kendrick made clear when he said Adonis was “a black man,” which for me is debatable but that’s not my business 😂

[@fizzychizzy]

@@Nyeb2002 Right. He said that little boy with blue eye who is a quarter black at the most was a Black man. Kendrick don't care about race at all. It was about the culture and behavior.

[@fizzychizzy]

EXACTLY. Why do Future and Drake have beef? There has to be several factors but I think Drake's collaboration with 21 Savage is part of it. Future clearly felt some type of way because he was a long-time collaborator with Drake, even working with him for a whole album. But Future feels like Drake essentially discarded him to work with 21 Savage. both from Atlanta. Both made music that appealed to the streets and the clubs. Future is THE BIGGEST rapper when it comes to Atlanta. Instead of working with him, Drake chose 21 Savage who would have been Future competition because 21 Savage is younger/appealing to younger people. He just moved on to the next guy not thinking about his older relationships.

[@acdc2468]

You know who’s Jewish, grew up in Beverly Hills, and was IMMERSED in gangsta rap for DECADES, and NEVER has been accused of being a 'Culture Vulture' -- The Alchemist. Why do you think that is? Authenticity and a clear devotion to the culture. The problem with Drake was that he aligned himself with culTures and sounds from places that he has no affiliation with for monetary gains and false credibility. People seen how he's moved for the last decade and that's where all the "resentment" or "rejection" comes from. His disingenuity was called out and resonated with way more people than his arrogance thought it would.

[@CharleneWithrow]

Bingo

[@justinwilson7333]

Kendrick was never an underdog! Thats the frustrating thing 😂 I listen to both Drake and Kendrick. Kendrick was always had the hit making ability of Drake he’s just chooses to make music about things that are personal to him which is not always going to be relatable to large commercial audience

[@merrekeste3385]

💯💯

[@ne3371]

Facts

[@thebizness5596]

Facts and that’s why Kendrick has and will always been the superior artist.

[@Theyaintlikeus8all]

because the audience he rapping to is the actual culture not walmart and target shoppers. i know that they dont want to her we want revenge or reperations in walmart while shopping

[@yomamma.ismydaddy216]

Yeah I can’t believe drake initiated this lol especially after Kendrick very clearly warned him on euphoria. I guarantee drake really really regrets releasing family matters

[@Hestia90]

People dont want to put respect on Kendrick's name, but his accomplishments are up there with Drake. ● 17 grammys to Drakes 5 ● Pulitzer Prize for Damn ● Longest charting hip-hop album in billboard history 11.5 years GKMC ● Highest grossing hip-hop tour in history with the Big Steppers tour ● 3 out of his 5 albums are classics where Drake has released 13 albums & only 3 or 4 are classics, most of which have an * next to them because of the 👻 writers. Take Care is his best body of work & The Weeknd pretty much wrote that for him. Drake can try to son him all he wants, but that doesn't. Kendrick just doesn't brag, he be inside.

[@stephaniecrosby5294]

Well said, fam

[@blxknxir]

The Grammys are politics so I don’t count them. Same with the Pulitzer. But Kendrick is still that guy, I just don’t think he needs the awards to validate why he’s iconic

[@Hestia90]

The Grammys I will give you, but you don't put yourself up for a Pulitzer. The BOARD decides if you should get 1.

[@jeff-ns2pr]

Kendrick is a way better rapper than bbl drizzy who used ghostwriters

[@thebizness5596]

@@blxknxirthey don’t just give out Pulitzers. Hence why the only hip hop artist to get one is Kendrick.

[@Flamboy0911]

this is the Pod everyone was waiting for

[@CriPPleR_HD]

Kendrick did not say a name out of respect for the child. No where in this battle did Kendrick disrespect anyone that did not deserve it. Meet the Graham’s uplifted the kids while tearing down Drake. That is the brilliance of it.

[@lionheartfitness4876]

“No, you not a colleague, you a fuckin’ colonizer.” Is one of the greatest lines in rap history because it’s the truth. *

[@lionheartfitness4876]

“You rapping like you’re trying to free the slaves.” 🤦🏽‍♂️ That Kendrick flip was legendary.

[@raymonds7492]

The idea that black Americans needed him to make music is most colonizer thing I’ve ever heard of. Wade In The Water is world famous and slaves made it.

[@LondonEventClips]

Drake thoght "Family matters" would be the ko. Hence him repeating "ya dead" at the end. Can't imagine how he reacted when "meet the grahams" dropped less than an hour later

[@nameisamine]

I’m still in shock that he thought defeating Kendrick Lamar would be easy. Hubris.

[@thebizness5596]

He cried and fired the ghostwriters

[@scarzwr]

Family Matters is actually a banger but not a diss hood beat and catchy flow. Kendrick bodied him

[@kaydee1485]

You can see, that's why he kept on the family angle, he was trying to walk Kendrick into it because he thought that track would be enough. But he had issues creating more lines and narratives about the info. A seasoned rapper could stretch that info into a good 10 mins if needed, but he kept bringing other artists into it. And for someone with writers that was appalling.

[@sillynamereally]

with that 2009 i promise i do drill flow 😩😩😩😩 if his voice wasnt so painful i may have cared what he was saying, i couldnt even play it to the end

[@SwaggaSmashed]

Family Matters was hard! But after hearing meet the grahams In the whip I had to park up and sit in silence for a few mins to deep it.

[@SK-kp2qq]

Felt like a funeral fr

[@thebizness5596]

It was mad. The whole aura to the tune, the bars, the tone of voice and how he talked to his whole family was pure Kendrick.

[@dansillyman]

Kendrick restored balance in the hiphop universe. He showed that you cannot deny the authentic greatness. He got the whole world signing and dancing to a song calling Drake a pedo 😂 how do you come back from that? KDot is the GOAT!

[@MalikMoorBeatz]

With the cover art being Drakes House 🏠 is crazy. He did him dirty on that one

[@Kanwar-b2s]

That analogy of being in the club and slapping a dude absolutely found its target 😂😂😂... Kendrick is a psycho and Drake became oblivious due to his arrogance 💯💯

[@courtney02161980]

Glad to see Mitch is more a student of Rap than Akademiks and Mal. Mal was jumping out the window his melt down was so bad.

[@raymonds7492]

Mal, ish and Ak should have a podcast about Drake and OVO. They shouldn’t talk about hip hop.

[@denniswaweru9340]

You cannot call out the one guy labelled "the boogeyman" and then just expect the response to be a muck-about. It almost felt like Drake wanted this beef to be a light entertainment for everyone without knowing who Kendrick really is and what hip hop culture means to him. Kendrick came in the ring wanting blood!! There's a reason why he called out everyone in 2013 and no one responded. Kendrick had producers lined up from early and the best move he made was the way he released "Meet The Grahams". The way he stumped out Family Matters instantly was how we won it imo

[@mil1042]

EXACTLY!!

[@normanjohnson6569]

Yeah Kendrick doesnt have 20 ghost writers either

[@kaii4072]

Nicely put

[@joshlawson111]

Lol that's why J.Cole moonwalked out of this situation 😅

[@twest5581]

That is not how he won it, kendrick beat him in every way when it comes to real battle rap. Battle rap is about disrespect and kendrick killed him.

[@sgeyette7915]

The way mitch is describing how unprepared drake was is killing me 😭😭😭

[@berny3056]

Drake was prepared he just wasn’t good enough and didn’t know who he was dealing with

[@witfurd1034]

@@berny3056 if drake was prepared, he'd be telling the truth about the fake mole. and if he was telling the truth about that, he'd post texts/audio taps proving OVO faked it. expcept he hasn't. he's clearly a crybaby that doesn't understand morals or when to stop lying.

[@mickelllindsay9539]

@@berny3056 doesn’t that prove he wasn’t prepared

[@coobebeatz]

Drake thought he was going to dog walk Lamar. How do you defeat a man whose team are 😅n competition with themselves. Word to HC pod

[@T.O32]

@@coobebeatzfacts them TDE boys are next levels

[@LondonEventClips]

A part of me believes Drake kept going at multiple people so that he'd have a ready made excuse for if he loses. He could always say "Everyone was going at me, it wasn't one on one"

[@tatenda2706]

Facts and I don’t believe he had enough ammo for Kendrick no wonder he spent half of family matters dissing irrelevant people like Weeknd, Future, Rozay and Metro just to make filler bars, he only dissed Kendrick for probably 2 minutes

[@Jahvo.]

@@tatenda2706 thats even more pussy tbh he went at weaker opponents for light sneak disses but kept it light when Kendrick openly disrespects you with name drops and personal shots smh

[@mrD66M]

So that raises the question (for Drake) why was everyone going against him. Ok Dude lacks the self awareness to think like that but he MUST KNOW that when you sit at the top for a while you become a target. Ni66a did not cover his a$$, in fact it seems he only kept making more enemies

[@mrD66M]

What you do if you grew up in the hood and a bunch of losers are ganging up on you? You go HAM on the biggest / strongest one, the leader. Leave a mark on that SOB that he won't forget. That's what you do. Don't waste your time on the flunkeys and stooges. If you lose, you at least will be acknowledged as a brave MF that should be left alone from then on, as someone who's not fun to play with. If you win, you gain the respect of every single one of em Drake lacks the "hood mentality".

[@jpnt17]

When you guys talk about “being an outsider”, that is something every region in America outside of New York had to experience. The difference is LA didn’t try to sound like New York, Atlanta, Memphis, Houston, Miami, didn’t try to sound like New York. They crafted and developed their own sounds and let the world catch up. He never took over Toronto as a local artist. He’s cultural couch surfing from city to city, from style to style. When you say what was he supposed to do, the answer is be a champion for your own city FIRST. Where is the Toronto swag? Where is the Toronto slang? Don’t even wear a blue jays hat. Rap is a regional art form with a global platform and he approached it and himself like a product and the artistry passed him by.

[@Nunofyabizzzzz]

Cool to see Mitch isn’t as bad as Akademics and the like. He’s pretty objective

[@stephaniecrosby5294]

AKademics is a paid Stan, Mitch is objective.

[@benja303]

​@@stephaniecrosby5294 idk why yall think drake would have to pay ak for what he has been doing for free for 10+ years

[@kelvinsekwati4016]

Man kendrick truly has quotables from this beef so many lines that will be said years from now that will jog the memory. Truly a all time beef and win by dot

[@mohamedfahad2364]

"Beat yo ass and hide the Bible if God watching" 😂

[@AnimeVillageAMV]

IS IT THE BRAIDSSSSSS!

[@fangal12]

@@AnimeVillageAMV I said that to my son this weekend when he forgot to take the trash out😂

[@goreyfantod5213]

To be fair, Drake has, "I was really, really tryin' to keep it PG." I can't get that corny shit out of my head, but it does make me chuckle.

[@scratchydemus]

​@goreyfantod5213 Yh the PG line makes me laugh. Also Drake saying "Pipe down pipsqueak" made me chuckle too. 😂😂😂

[@jesstwu6911]

The best commentary I’ve heard from the UK regarding the beef ! You explored many points and remained objective opposed to other podcasts !!🙌🏽

[@Jules10034]

Honestly Mitch’s analysis of drakes mistakes in this battle are hands down the best I’ve heard.

[@SinisterAnimationS]

drake thinks he is superman and Kendrick understands he needs to be like batman who has a contingency plan to kill every superhero incase they ever went rogue

[@raymonds7492]

He’s a superman cosplayer. Featuring with Future on Like That cut him off from his Atlanta talent source. Notice how he talked about future on Family Matters.

[@michael43567]

1:08:44 No. But Drake should probably have some sort of relationship with them. Drake really jumped from Skepta to Dave to Giggs to Headie One to J Hus to Central Cee. Seems he cares about who has the hype more than actually developing meaningful music relationships. Comes off as a phoney

[@raymonds7492]

Drake is the walmart ethnic food isle of music. They have the most popular foods from other cultures. If you saw someone who actually has their own culture (like kendrick) moving this way it would be weird but its normal behavior for whites.

[@michaelandreou4996]

They not like us is a certified smash. I have not stop playing that tune since it came out.

[@JGreen-tz6km]

Every time Mitch talks I remember why i like (pause) this brudda!!!

[@AnonYmous-lx2fu]

He’s easily the most qualified to discuss this beef out of all the HC regulars

[@AnimeVillageAMV]

Resume

[@Bobsam-m1p]

You really don’t need to pause, it’s safe g

[@saaidmohamoud2003]

"Don't think the Chinese aren't ready for mandem" 😂😂😂

[@adamlambert1032]

The wildest line w no context 😭😭😭

[@MsDarkie93]

@@adamlambert1032those who know know

[@AnimeVillageAMV]

@@adamlambert1032 basically if America or any other country wanted smoke, China would be war ready! They aren’t just comfortable sitting back, not prepared

[@thiscatrocks]

This is one of the most objective reviews I’ve seen. This was fire 🔥🔥🔥

[@emanuelnauana5332]

OvHoe Mitch in the building!!!! We been waiting on this oneeeee

[@LondonEventClips]

Drake's fatal mistake was mentioning Kendrick's bm.

[@stephanmbenti2855]

Which he hasn’t denied Puting hands on.. so there was no mistake but we miss toke and declared Kendrick the winner

[@tatenda2706]

@@stephanmbenti2855he doesn’t have to deny anything, sometimes denying allegations actually makes you look more guilty, do you know how double negatives work ?

[@LondonEventClips]

@@stephanmbenti2855 he hasn't had to, because it doesn't align with how the public perceives him. It was a mistake by Drake because he's more of an open book than Kendrick. So Kendrick would have more ammo on him

[@MAYOROFTURBOCITY]

@@LondonEventClips Kendrick’s last album was a whole open book.

[@tatenda2706]

@@LondonEventClips thank you, took the words right out of my mouth, Kendrick lives a private life no wonder on 6:16 he had the bar “you put money in the streets came back with no receipts I’m sorry I live a boring life” Whilst Drake be posting on internet everyday, nigga is always online posting stories and DM’s peoples girls and shit

[@berny3056]

Drake definitely saw Kendrick on his level this is why he’s salty about Kendrick winning awards and how much respect the culture gave him when Drake essentially had to buy it

[@Jahvo.]

for sure dont know what mitch talking about lol its a reason he was begging for a response after push ups

[@Nyeb2002]

Nah if you peep the “disses” Drake threw at Kendrick, he thought he was playing with Meek. Someone without cultural impact or with less hits. As an American, Mitch hit it right on the nail. From his taunting to less than in depth lyrics, Drake was Ill prepared and it boils down to a lack of respect.

[@roidjones]

Mitch was very objective, credit to him

[@sillynamereally]

He knows he was super glazing first go round (and i hate that glazing buzz word) but he was waaaay to passionate for us not to know his love for drake was deeper than music, drake actually represented him as a person. This is a learning period for all drake fans. i cant call anyone a student of the game who rates drake highly.

[@DJBUTCHKASSIDY]

certified convo love takes and opinion always a solid episode when Mitch is in the building, salute

[@courtney02161980]

Where Kendrick got him was when he represented where he was from and Drake could not do that, that’s why They Not Like Us hit so hard!!!

[@S.Mahmud01]

The biggest aspect of Drake that generates dislike or hate from the culture and pure hip-hop fans is his pretentiousness. He is not from the streets and has seen nothing, why pretend to be a hard man when clearly he is not? He may find the culture fascinating, nothing wrong with that, but why pretend to be that? Authenticity is a major part of Hip-hop culture.

[@marysimonk]

1st time on this channel, I so love the passion and honesty of Mitch.

[@Pyromaniac963]

He lost when he said he can’t be a pedi because he’s famous

[@nightArbitrage]

😂😂 Prince Andrew has stepped in the chat.

[@DRGN-TYPE]

Nobody in these pods wanna say it could be true because they're hoping to get that Drake interview in the future.

[@Jahvo.]

when he stepped over family matters then dropped 'NOT LIKE US' on saturday and the way it INSTANTLY blew up yeah game over 🤣

[@sillynamereally]

he lost when he used that 2009 i swear im a driller flow, no one cared what drake was saying because of his performance below, how can you sound exactly the same as your songs when angry 😂 people are tired of his songs and here he comes with the same shit 😂

[@akiret3113]

Nah. He lost when Kendrick said "ahem"

[@geo3540]

OvHoe Mitch is here

[@kaysheye7784]

I still don't understand that OvHoe stuff. Is it an insult towards OVO?

[@joshdunnett4710]

Fr 😂 Mitch is a good guy though man

[@ae0ns]

@@kaysheye7784yes lol

[@vicstone8817]

13:20 He just admitted that Kendrick won lol

[@thedoncjg6263]

@@kaysheye7784if you couldn’t figure that out for yourself that is genuinely concerning

[@dele-586]

This episode is another classic, started with Mitch, ended with Mitch.... smashed this episode to pieces, enjoyed it...

[@Jahvo.]

we need poet still though lol

[@BM_624N7]

Love Mitch's energy and passion

[@awake3607]

Mitch what people are saying is that Drake jumps on people who are rising just for himself (and he jumps into their culture and jumps off). No one knows who he is because he cosplays as that culture. If he worked with them and been himself (not adopting accents and such) or found people who were good and not already rising but put them on (while being himself) I don't think anyone would be upset with him. The lack of Authenticity and paying homage bothers people. He actually fixed his mouth to say Kendrick rap like he trying to free the slaves. That was so tone deaf.

[@courtney02161980]

Finally the pod I was waiting for!!!

[@courtney02161980]

Not like Us was recent because Kendrick mentions Drake doubled down calling black Americans “slaves”….he walked right into being called a colonizer

[@Gloey94704]

"A minoooooooor" is also a response to "Dave Freeeeeeeh" from Drake's Family Matters. So the song has lots of parts that are fresh.

[@djRUNT]

for the record, kendrick has bigged up simz and it feels inevitable that they work together

[@thebizness5596]

Shes another real artist. Modern day Lauryn Hill.

[@mrD66M]

I was thinking exactly this, she is kinda the female version of him, London slang down pat but very connected to her Naija roots. KDot must've heard her spittin' Venom

[@stephaniecrosby5294]

A lot of ppl doesn't like Drake because he's disrespectful to ppl and the black American culture. He should've took Wayne advice and be himself. It's not that he's Canadian, again, he's disrespectful. According to Joe Budden, its a character flaw. Some ppl can't handle fame and power.

[@kelvinsekwati4016]

Man drake keeps mentioning peoples wifeys then shit hits the fan. I honestly think he wouldve put up an even better fight had he kept it clean. Went with the ice put ppl on I'm bugger in spreading shit around I'm what the world ,women,kids,men listen to. His the biggest artist in the world not he best rapper.

[@Yoannan_I]

If he kept it clean he might’ve won or it would be split decision

[@allyzm1027]

Weekend is a bigger artist than DRAKE.

[@sjag2947]

Been waiting for this and you both delivered !!👏👏👏👏

[@TheAlkebulanTrust]

Facts or undeniable facts?...K Dot vs BBL Drizzy has to be arguably one of the best Rap Battles on a mainstream level in history. Just based on that one weekend that changed it all. Good to see real lyricists like Kendrick Lamar win convincingly. He tried every style possible and then the finisher is the club banger Not Like Us. Even Drake sounded defeated in The Heart Part 6 that he was even contradicting himself 🤣...the real always win. One way or the other.

[@toilettisha122]

If Drake was telling the truth then why not show why he believes his lies besides IG likes. Also, the reason Dave Free doesn't have to respond because no one believes Drake and by responding it then opens that topic to more debate.

[@yomamma.ismydaddy216]

😂😂 yeah after all that trash talking on Kendrick’s family his great groundbreaking evidence is Dave posting a heart emoji on his girls instagram page… oh and the fact Kendrick isn’t following her on his social media page that he literally never even uses😂😂 releasing family matters was a HUGE mistake

[@MsPremo1982]

Kendrick is telling yall listeners to learn Our Culture and respect it because you are a guest.

[@toocre8tive]

Kendrick did "Ether" and "hit em up" on Drake in the space of 2 days. with "Meet the Grahams" and "Not Like Us". Meet the Grahams is the most disrespectful diss track, and Not Like Us is the most commercial diss track.

[@Left_it]

So happy you chose the right side. Big up Chuck

[@CD-xq1lc]

This was a great convo. Drake isn’t taking anyone’s advice about taking a break. He is working on “summer vibes”

[@saadatsabur6748]

Been waiting on Mitch’s analysis!

[@michael43567]

From when "Taylor Made" came out, I would've never predicted things would go like this. I thought it would be closer. It's pretty much a unanimous win for Kendrick

[@elijahmack]

Drake came to The States but he didn’t take over. From Day 1 he was put on by the biggest artists. From Wayne to Jay-Z, Kanye West…he was getting verses, beats, etc…from these guys. But then there was markets he couldn’t tap into until he linked with ATL. So for him to talk down to a J. Cole or a Kendrick is wild when Jay-Z signed Cole but backed Drake more only to have Drake start to go at him as though he’s above him. Likewise, Kendrick had Dr. Dre’s co-sign but you look through his projects they aren’t laced with Dr. Dre beats. He instead chose to continue using producers he was in the mud with. A lot of Drake fans don’t know Future come from the legendary Dungeon Fam because he chose to go off on his own and get it out the mud. These are all things Drake never did. He came over here on borrowed and stolen styles/songs from Canada. And then he continued that same method throughout his career. Whenever one sound becomes stale he’ll move to the next hot sound. Where Kendrick and Cole are constantly carving out their own sounds, styles. Look how long it took for Kendrick to rock on a Mustard beat. And then he used two types of Westcoast delivery styles. Something he could have done long ago but he was busy forging his own path instead of wave-riding.

[@kylian1961]

WOP WOP WOP WOP

[@nightArbitrage]

😂😂😂😂🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@c24three]

Dot fuck em up

[@SK-kp2qq]

Dot fucc em up

[@dollzstyleaesthetics6193]

That’ll fuck him up🔥

[@benja303]

Skillibeng needs his royalty cheque

[@ruthiiee.__3390]

What we all been waiting forrrr😁

[@Franniiv3]

Always backed Kendrick! Drake didn't even understand half of the references Kendrick threw at him! Especially the one suggesting Drake was a 'PeterFile' went right over his head!

[@Cee_H]

On that premise kendrick didn't understand anything Drake said because he never addressed any of it 🤔

[@4DeuceFilms]

Best UK pod 🎉🎉 I was waiting for my UK dons to review this. 😅

[@mvmt914]

Kendrick has worked with Lil Simz

[@mohamedfahad2364]

Best convo on this subject so far. I subscribe

[@emersonmarshall3929]

I love hearing these two talk about music. Love from 🇨🇦

[@vicstone8817]

Kendrick won

[@raecharles5494]

Stand for something or fall for anything. Is what Drake stands for money and girls? Can you really attach him to artist development as a whole? Idk. I think that’s the main issue with Drake dipping and diving with so many artists all over the place. What’s his rap ✨aesthetic✨ if you will. His rap or hip hop philosophy? I don’t know if he has one. And honestly he didn’t start from the bottom so.. if he was doing it for clout and fame. Perhaps he should’ve leaned into it a bit more. Kim K but rap. He’s proved with this he’s not necessarily about the music, not in any significant way anyway…

[@ericckbeal]

Didn't nobody ever question CLB cover of those pregnant women..

[@Cee_H]

This is why kendrick stans look crazy 😂

[@KingPOTB]

28:41 I actually witnessed it in real time. I'm always up around 4am as my job has me waking up really early. witnessing that was was not only amazing but funny af!🤣

[@kaydee1485]

No, i think he planned for Kendrick. Drake thought playing the field and controlling the narrative via the internet was the way to go. He took his Meek angle and Pusha T's angle and combined them to create his new plan. He came with club songs, memes and tea. He goaded Kendrick into the family angle because he thought the kid and DV angle would win it for him.

[@_Tennille]

1:29:00 I hear it but Wayne in that interview was trying to save face for his friend. He wrote a book and literally said it was the absolute worst thing he could’ve found out about. Drake doesn’t get that pass 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@julez5876]

Do we forget that one dance was a Wiz kid track and hotline bling was a track that was stolen too... Hell take care is the weekend. He's a teef

[@wondervisionstudio]

Every single one of Mitch’s points here were valid 🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@swapincentivesuk9190]

Great episode, Mitch broke down this beef very well, Drake got complacent and took his eye off the ball

[@juniorm8358]

About to be a epic episode

[@Jimmy-es8bc]

For real I was awake when Family Matters dropped…and therefore I was awake when Meet The Grahams dropped. I think my beef senses were tingling. I couldn’t fucking believe it. How am I up at 5am listening to Kendrick and Drake going at each other. Shit was wild.

[@dontecool21]

this who i been waiting to hear from

[@DHallvc]

1:07:11 it's that he does it by being that person or borrowing their persona until it isn't hot anymore...who are you as a person and or artist, Eminem never switched who he was, Drake is whoever is hot or got a buzz does for it season tours for 2, leaves. rinse. repeat ...then sleeps with they girl...hides out in Turks until the next new artist pops...

[@shrimp_boogaloo]

This is the most level-headed, adult take of what transpired. I've seen man-babies scream what basically amounts to "ITS NOT FAIR", but as Craig here said "It's war."

[@shainissa8237]

Drake contradicted himself way too much.

[@scarzwr]

Ok Mitch knows his shit Nas ‘I don’t soloist only kill squads’ - You’re The Man

[@mm2801]

The myth because drake is the bigger artist the artists he "works" with benefits more than him is false, he benefits the most as he gets cultural currency and actual music as it clear the guy aint write much and its just a performer. Thats why he does it so much and from so many places through out the US and the world. Mitch is ignorning the fact that he doesn't go on do his thing he goes and he does someone else ting and does it to another artist/culture. Open your eyes.

[@CiRC7E]

What I would like to add to the conversation is this. It's not just the hip Hop community that feels slutted out by a interaction with Drake. The same thing goes in the gaming community. Yes, the online video gaming community. Drake does the same thing he gets with the hottest guy plays a game or two with them. They get a certain rush and then it's all over and they're left slutted out and they have no contact with Drake. It's a pathology

[@DJLanrizzle]

Excellent and unbiased analysis all round

[@coursecorrection4105]

I randomly shout out, what is it? The braids. Kdot had so many good lines. He controlled the pace of this beef, was able to change the tone at will, and had so many options in his arsenal. He remained focus and on offense

[@MrEthiopian4life]

Great conversation

[@witkneemenyon5612]

Yes “Not like Us “ was a satire song to me. A dark subject with mad humor in it . And that’s the best way to come at Drake imo. A banger and meme type song. Beat Drake at his own game

[@jpnt17]

Drake is an actor. He’s approaching rap like an acting career. Each “phase” or “style” or “city” he uses is just a new role in a new movie for him. So the question is who is Drake really as an artist? You prolly have to got back to room for improvement and comeback season for who Drake REALLY is as an artist.

[@crazymoe8494]

Mitchy Are You Okay?, Are you Okay Mitchy?

[@goodfella1401]

Kendrick has a moral code. He didn't mention an 11 year old's girl that potentially is Drake's daughter because that would impact that girl's life immensely. He didn't brought up people affiliated to Drake that are not in his Drake's close circle or in hip hop like Millie Bobby Brown. That's why he says not to speak on Serena Williams because she's not in hip hop or even in music and yet Aubrey was still taking shots on her

[@Project-Aries]

"I see dead people" is actually the Quantuple entandre [exclusive]

[@untraceable90]

Kendrick did it for us dark skinned man!

[@MaceyRG]

Ya get it.

[@Kyzo185]

U lot had to make it weird

[@michael43567]

as a brown skinned guy, I find this cringey. Let the music speak for itself

[@untraceable90]

@@michael43567 it spoke & dark skinned one, I'm taking this w!!!

[@B_razzer]

The Black Messiah cheating on his MIXED girl with WHITE girls?

[@LondonEventClips]

Kendrick won, but I learned that people were really praying on Drake's downfall. Haven't seen people celebrate this much since Bin Laden got packed

[@reythomas9215]

What about R Kelly lol?

[@merrekeste3385]

😂😂 DRAKE BEEN MID OVERRATED J COLE BETTER 2

[@mohamedfahad2364]

Habahahahah😂 "since Ben Laden" 😂😂

[@AnimeVillageAMV]

Proper rap fans have always hated Drake!! Drakes has a separate fan base to rap rans

[@nameisamine]

I was disappointed with Drake's performance in the battle. He seemed distracted, unfocused and underprepared, with a weak strategy, and yet, he was projecting so much confidence against a lyricist much more shrewd and articulate than himself. Was this hubris? Because if this was going to be his performance I'll never understand why he responded to "Like That" in the first place - he could've avoided all this damage to his public image in the process. Kendrick out-rapped, out-strategised, out-manoeuvred, AND out-streamed him. Kendrick dropped devastatingly detailed disses that deconstructed Drake as an artist, person and cultural figure, he showed he could diss effectively in all tempos, all while completely dictating the pace of the battle. Drake lost on every metric. As a fan of both, this battle felt a little one-sided. We didn't get Drake at his best. I just thought he'd be a bit more clever since he had a decade to prepare for this moment! Oh well...at least we got some great records but I don't think this battle reflected two artists at the top of their game. One was...the other kinda stumbled through.

[@MaceyRG]

I think it was a lose lose cause if drake didn’t respond the fans would’ve been mad regardless. I personally think he should’ve stopped at pushups and made another one that wasn’t so personal so it didn’t have to go there.

[@nameisamine]

@@MaceyRG I agree but the frustration of him not responding would have been less damaging than THIS.

[@MaceyRG]

@@nameisamine hear you.

[@shaspearman8647]

It didnt have to be a lose lose. It’s doesn’t have to be a sprint. The difference between Drake and Kendrick, is Kendrick understands the long game. Kendrick TOOK his time. Everyone put him on the clock but he did what HE wanted to do. Real King shit. A King dictate the pace. Why cave into the pressure of the fans, when you know their attitude and pivot at any second? But Drake is chronically online, and he desperately craves attention and acceptance. He couldn’t lay low and strategize. He was a fool. 😂 Drake just isn’t that smart. And he is no King. He is just successful. There is a difference.

[@yomamma.ismydaddy216]

I bet drake wishes sooo bad that he could go back in time and not release family matters and say that stuff about Kendrick and his family. Kendrick even warned him very clearly on euphoria. Crazy. After what’s happened either his ego has gotten a massive reduction or his level of delusion has gotten a massive boost

[@juangoodone1887]

@1:31:17 Mitch's point is exactly what makes it weird... Drake seems like he wants what everybody else got, even if its the woman of a close friend. No morals and principles smh 💯

[@lakersouthpaw]

Just some perspective as an American. You're right that Canadians are looked at as outsiders or maybe don't have "street cred" but that's not the main reason he's not accepted. He just tries to be something he's not. Acting like a gangster or mob boss. Like we saw you on kid's TV as a child actor and you grew up wealthy. People are not that stupid. Spot on about him getting away with it because he could make bangers. He just pushed his luck too much though. Also trying to provoke the west coast when you're some Canadian actor? Like how dumb can you be? That's really not a game he wants to play acting like a tough guy because people can really get hurt fucking around with this stuff.

[@jayandrews7376]

This rap beef is bigger than just Drake vs Kendrick. He signed a 400 million dollar slave deal to major labels when he was independant/free agent and coulda became a major label himself an put ppl on from the culture himself properly without UMG or major label interferance. The major players in the industry looked at him sideway for that and went for his neck. Thats why all these big companies are doing damage control now that hes lost the rap beef

[@CiRC7E]

My name is Ali from Inglewood CA USA checking in. I really appreciate the conversation over here. I would love to converse with you guys in the future.

[@mercyolagunju7485]

Been waiting for Mitch

[@BumFluffer1999]

16:10 bro from times when kendrick dropped Control, Kendrick's BEEN sonning Drake. From that BET Cypher in 2013 when he said "Aint nothing been the same since they dropped Control and tucked a sensitive rapper back in his pyjama clothes", and Drake was going live on media platforms and places like ESPN and calling KDot out his name and not properly responding with music... we all recognised what time it was. Drake is a serial deflector and will use any moment to put kendrick down whereas Dot will always and only speak thru the music. Any time Kendrick has ever been asked about his relationship with Drake, he almost never comments because he knows the power of the tongue - unlike some.

[@sillynamereally]

No one who rates drake highly is a student of the game. PERIOD.

[@hopE-mw265]

Great pod. Yall some real ones.

[@AM_9924]

Drake lost it for me when he tried to diss the great Michael Jackson. Have some respect. Kendrick is the man.

[@MaceyRG]

when?

[@Cee_H]

I really don't remember this. I learnt from this beef alot of rap fans don't understand bars or do gymnastics to make Drake say something he never said 😂😂 ​@@MaceyRG

[@kaii4072]

Im glad you clocked that because how dare he ¿¿¿¿ Michael deffo had issues, but yikes! Comparing Michael’s (alleged) self-hate to Kendrick’s in that way is the same reason why he had the bar about Kendrick rapping like he wants to free da slaves - “you not a colleague, you a COLONIZER!”.

[@shesbaldbutiwould]

Michael Jackson isnt god lol

[@AM_9924]

@@kaii4072 The Michael Jackson estate should pull the MJ duet from Drakes album and teach him a lesson.