Ciara’s Future Silence

When it comes to her ex-fiancé Future, Ciara has no comment. The songstress refused to say his name while announcing the 2016 Billboard Award nominees. Was she being petty? “The Real” ladies chime in in this Girl Chat.

[@NadiaVenice]

She's letting the past prevent her from saying future 💀💀💀😂😂😂

[@TheRubyyy123]

ahhahahahaha 😂😂😂

[@lashiranorman2681]

😂😂😂😂

[@Loladee19]

😂😃😂😂😂this comment

[@sjunior1990]

lmfaoooo

[@nakimryan7407]

I knew link woud say that

[@MrTonyRodriguez94]

if i was ciara , i wouldve said "PAST" lol

[@AriVirtual]

lmaooooo

[@xuxushushu]

⚰️

[@johnevan9248]

Ong😭😭💀💀

[@keyannalee2432]

Tony Rodriguez 😂😂😂😂

[@Melissa-qo2rn]

Lmao

[@AshleyChristina101]

I don't think Ciara was petty at all because if the fact of how he's disrespected her so much for the public to see!

[@clarke4400]

Right

[@jenniferposey7842]

And Ciara hasn't disrespected him? First I'd like to say most celebrities are very private about their relationships. They are actually advised and trained to do so for image reasons by management. Well I believe she purposely paraded her kid through the media (way to early in the relationship) around with Russell. Knowing full well the media/fans would drag him through the mud with rumors of him being a dead beat dad etc. Also she bares witness to Future as a father with his other kids for 2 years prior. Trust that Ciara was smart enough to not be with a man that was a dead beat. She didn't put out a statement as celebrities do to put out the fire she enjoyed it. She said in her Breakfast Club interview, he's a great dad, such a awesome person, and she loves him. Fast forward a year later she lost her complete custody case in court as well as the Defamation of character law suit. God don't like ugly. Notice Future has been winning though. #MaskOff #WatchHerBreakfastClubInterviewSheLovedHim #ShesALittleBitter #WatchHisInterviewItWasHonest

[@jenniferwebb5954]

@@jenniferposey7842 exactly!! Thank you!!

[@tashaharris6960]

Jennifer Posey Future was the one that cheated on her and actually Ciara is the one who has been winning

[@leonalove336]

Ashley Christiana She was being petty but I’m here for it

[@debriinaa6390]

ciara should have said 'my cheap ass baby daddy"

[@Butterflywarrior214]

LOOL

[@KristieBach]

LMAOOO

[@sydneyhopes]

Real tears 😂😂😂😂😂

[@dinas1825]

😭😭😭😭

[@twaltdwan9153]

+rawwithnature she would have won with that remark LOL

[@CandyTre1]

Probably a legal issue and not a personal issue. Ludacris probably should have just read all the nominations for that category.

[@fiyaindehole]

Agreed on both points.

[@gracetchabi]

yes!

[@goodgirlvicki]

Agree

[@annestewar1412]

+Ms Lorraine I just said that.....And it wouldn't have brought much attention to their Baby Mama/Daddy drama...

[@CandyTre1]

+Ann Estewar yes Ciara played herself tbh. She needs to be more sensible if she actually wants to get married. Don't put yourself in those kinds of situations it makes her look stupid.

[@deem132]

She still better than me, I would've crossed his name off all together.

[@ChristiMorganOfficial]

😂😂😂😂

[@herroyalstylenessa1307]

+Dee M LOOOL!!

[@ravensnaetion]

I'm with you! #PettyLaBelle

[@dinas1825]

😂😂

[@peetib7662]

+Dee M damn right

[@lbgurly]

"She's letting the past preventing her from saying future" I'm so done with Lonnie 😂😂😂

[@keBOO94]

Hell no she wasn't being petty 💯 He has slandered her in the media time and time again, and she's remained quiet through it all. She's just had ENOUGH ! Let her live! 🙄💅🏾💁🏾

[@sparkle1derful]

More reason to say his name like its nothing, don't you think?

[@RocsGirl]

she could have said Nayvadius DeMun Wilburn 😂😂😂😂

[@melissaj422]

😂😂

[@fluffybear1539]

I Swear I Would Have Done That 😂 & Would Have Gave 0 Fucks

[@MegaDede1212]

lmao!

[@angelabrowning5778]

LMFAO 😂😂😂

[@lafayec.4998]

wait wait wait. ...... I was not ready 4 this comment 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@JasmineS2012]

But she named her son Future. So she say that name all the time. 😂😂

[@AshyDoop]

ikr

[@sydneyeriennenettles-willi7584]

She calls him by his middle name lol

[@positivevibes8516]

+JasmineS2012 probably calls him a nickname

[@positivevibes8516]

*****​​​ future prob wont like her changing it .lol you should never Name your child after his father for this reason lol well if you arent married but that could end too so ..

[@angelcarter4018]

for real 😂

[@kevinjohnson4877]

Man that was a set up. Why have her read the rap category in the first place? Someone knew wtf they were doing😏

[@positivevibes8516]

+Kevin Johnson welp

[@brown14suga]

that's what I said!

[@positivevibes8516]

She did take long to answer

[@TheClassictvfan]

She read all the categories right?

[@itsfriday9139]

DIDNT FUTURE CHEAT ON HER? IM TEAM CIARA

[@gerry1763]

NO HE DIDNT WTF. this is the definition of childish. grown woman cant say his name

[@clementine8397]

Gerry yes he did

[@Hotwingzlover84]

Yep and disrespected her PUBLICALLY

[@AmmaMama]

Luda did hesitate tho. I don't think he and CiCi conversed beforehand but he saved her tho.

[@Cookedbyjulie]

Tamara seems like the most mature one out of the bunch. I love her

[@baybeedollxo]

Cookedbyjulie Lol maybe in this episode.

[@Bingbangxox]

What show you watching ?

[@MajesticMyronn]

I don't it's petty , Ciara just doesn't feel like saying his name !!! And just like Tay said even if she said his name people would still be talking mad making up rumors in the tabloids!!! I mean I'm just saying !

[@sohniandoye436]

But isn't her son named future ? Or did she change it to Russell ?lol

[@sparkle1derful]

+sohnia ndoye lol

[@MajesticMyronn]

+sohnia ndoye tried it lol

[@kaylathomas3793]

It was unprofessional

[@serenityq26]

+Myronn Coleman it was childish

[@TiyaBabiiee]

When Tamar said "We ain't gon do no extra talking... we not gon share a sushi plate or something for lunch" the camera man HAD to put the camera on Jeannie lol. #petty

[@darricksmith403]

Tiya Caemara you caught that right? As soon as I seen that I ran to the comments to see if someone else caught that!!

[@jenc9468]

Lollll

[@ugochiifunaya2436]

And she was so cute

[@shahlioness1972]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@SameOlHim]

I don't see anything "unprofessional" about it. She didn't say anything disrespectful she just nodded towards Ludacris for him to say the name, and he did. SIMPLE! So what's the problem??? Why is this a topic again??? Y'all are so aggy. :/

[@dsanto6438]

"She's letting the past prevent her from saying future." Died.

[@datgurlky1]

Tamar cracks me up. "... yo' sister ain't yo' baby daddy" LOL right!

[@brown14suga]

"Do I think she was being petty?...that's something I would have done, so yes." Man, I freakin' love Tamar!! lol

[@MsBrooklyn11232]

Adrienne is right because it is a legal issue on why Ciara didn't say Future's name. Both Ciara and Future can't talk about each other in public because of a lawsuit that happened months ago.

[@BoxerBriefs4]

In court, the judge will dismiss Ciara's case because said, "Future" by announcing the nominees? Don't be so naive.

[@MeSc72]

If i was CiCi i woulda been like "past ... oops my apologies... i mean future *smiles and winks at camera*"

[@joejill51lala]

Loni and that corny joke lmao

[@dinas1825]

Jeannie's face said it all

[@shante70sb]

+Dina S yep...I saw it

[@jcanthony16]

Ciara probably didn't say his name because he is counter-suing her and her legal counsel may have advised her not to speak his name in public.

[@milxystacey4416]

😂😝😝 u are too funny . 😂 u making laugh really hard with ur comment.

[@jcanthony16]

Damilxy Stacey lol that's probably really what her public excuse would be

[@fiyaindehole]

Jeannie must have been saving her voice for Fake it or Take it!!!

[@ChastityBTheEntrepreneur]

Lmao

[@MariahWyattBraxton]

💀💀💀💀💀💀

[@tiffaniwilliams6626]

Lol 😂😂😂

[@1017DollFace]

She was trying but she would say the first letter and get cut off lol

[@sjohnsonsj536]

naw she didn't want to get cut off by Tamar again

[@Lovely_her199]

I swear if they cut Jeannie off in one more clip!!! Df. They acting like she's not there.

[@skywalker6327]

for real jeanie didnt get to say anything this segment

[@jzamora332]

Seriously!!! Jeannie should've interrupted just like tamar always interrupts her!! Annoys me!

[@cocogirly2463]

+beloved_obscurity preach

[@ApplePro312]

+Keiara_Meee i have decided that, i will take it to twitter lol, one more.

[@jodiii122]

+Keiara_Meee The entire girl chat annoyed me because she could barely get a word in.. Literally... barely a word.

[@Cookie20244]

"Your sister ain't your baby daddy "haha that's hilarious

[@MiM-ez6ie]

"She's letting the past prevent her from saying future"~Loni😂😂 I'm done.😂

[@lisaconrad9754]

Tamar is not even ratchet she's beyond thaaaaaaaaat!!!

[@lashiranorman2681]

😂😂😂

[@smokahontas99]

For real. I truly Agree!

[@kissy0k8]

No. She and Ludacris did NOT work that out before hand. He filled in the blank and caught on very quickly. lol! That's what it looked like to me! lol

[@KaylaGotThe411]

Tamera saying that cause she don't got no bitter baby daddy bashing her online

[@debrakimberly5279]

Did anybody ask why in the hell did they give her that category in the first place? To start drama and get ratings! It's sickening!

[@Butterflywarrior214]

omg yep, media is real shady so its expected

[@goodgirlvicki]

I agree with Tamera you have to keep your work and personal separate. If Ciara knew she wasn't going to say Future's name, it would have been better if Ludacris read out the nominees.

[@Groanola]

Ciara should just break up with Russel and date Desiigner just to get back at Future.

[@mariedorneval2780]

Omgg yess😂😂😂

[@ramabelle6673]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@ramabelle6673]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@positivevibes8516]

+Frostbite Gaming no...just for yall entertainment?

[@Shansdotcom]

Y'all need to chill 😂😂😂

[@funny1496]

Why I feel so happy when I see a 6 minute video !! 😁😁😁

[@MusiqQueen6]

I noticed some tension in today's girl chat. Jeannie was interrupted and not allowed to speak for the 103rd time. Everyone kept saying "It's my opinion". Adrienne seems salty about everything, like she's still mad about how the media drug her and the 50 year old. Tamera seems like she's putting her foot down more when it comes to her opinions. They must have just got out of a work meeting.

[@YoungLuminaries]

+MusiqQueen6 I noticed too

[@Yakhanna]

I know she was hurt but reacting like that just highlights the fact she is still hurting. Darling you getting married to a seemingly good man, stop allowing that ex to steal your power. Forgiveness is not easy but it will grant you much peace in this situation.

[@glamourglitzs]

Loni is right luda took mad long to say future name like a instigator lol

[@positivevibes8516]

+glamourglitzs i think she should have tapped him lol kinda of her fault

[@logrego4195]

Her son name is FUTURE lmfao .. She say future every fucking day 😂

[@ParzivalOnMars]

When futures picture came up,she should have said 'past' 😩😂😂😂

[@Energypoints23]

they should have just alternated saying the names that way it would not seem like she purposely left his name out

[@Ckandybhear]

To me it seemed like they were suppose to do that, but she took Ludacris part for the first two names, only leaving him with one.

[@Energypoints23]

+Ckandybhear he should have said the name after future... if it happened how we speculated

[@Ckandybhear]

+Sajola sash mhm . Either way, I think the world is really reaching with this petty thing though. Like, is this seriously world news ? Lol

[@Energypoints23]

+Ckandybhear I swear they make news out of n e thing... no matter how normal it is

[@HewanYitagesu]

they've turned jeannie into part of the audience lol just nod or clap ...they won't let her speak

[@jasoncarpenter4979]

Poor Jeannie can't get word in. -_-

[@isela888]

right. I feel like I haven't heard of her in a while

[@mrsmichelledaniels]

I've noticed this too. I wonder what's been going on.

[@MegaDede1212]

+isela perez. Jeannie had the tea last w week w that ex story

[@santriciajones2579]

+Nomazwi Ndlovu I know right. I wanted to hear her input.

[@leelas8900]

Go fight for your people go and save this grown ass woman's life because she cant open her mouth😒

[@christinastephens7804]

Lol Ludacris missed his cue to jump in 🤣🤣🤣

[@acaciaburnett5244]

she named her son baby future. what she gonna call him? baby preminintion

[@willieb.t.4929]

If 50 Cent and Bow Wow woulda been on the list too we'd still be waiting on someone to announce the nominees lol!

[@enimo1678]

I didn't think that was petty. I think she just saw his name and was "oh, how am I gonna go about this?" and that's when Ludacris handled it for her. It wasn't a big deal tbh

[@joshuamcdowell5782]

+Eni Mo Ciara and Ludacris always had a brother and sister bond ever since the beginning of her career. He had her back.

[@jedidjab4346]

If an ex of mine was as disrespectful as future has been towards Ciara, I would treat him the same way. We are all humans. Let's be honest

[@Hazelbazel483]

Agreed 👏

[@Bittahknight]

Dang I did wanna know what Jeannie was gonna say 🙄 I don't think there's beef I just hate when they cut her off or she don't get a chance to speak especially when everyone has spoken. Hearing all 5 women is why we tune in. What Tamera said though 🙌🏾🙌🏾 it's true.

[@RedVelvet090]

Tamar and Loni have their own thing going on lol

[@girl8295]

They sure do lol

[@cashk100]

I would have liked to hear Jeannie's opinion.

[@fanficbarbie]

Does Jeannie have matches in her hair 🤔🤔🤔

[@angelcarter4018]

😂😂

[@87moonstar]

Not sure but I think so

[@daricnd]

+˗ˏˋ L I V ˎˊ˗ looks ridiculous

[@femaleking493]

I think it's toothpicks.

[@mariannimoh9514]

˗ˏˋ L I V ˎˊ˗ it's cute. What is it? Where canni get it from? Anyone?

[@ChastityBTheEntrepreneur]

Its easy for Tamera to say that because shes not in the situation.

[@ericalowery3112]

Right.....her sister wouldn't disrespect her on social media like future did Ciara so that statement was off!!

[@TheCarnivoreLife1985]

Adrienne dressing like the preacher's wife... new dude, new look, I guess. I remember her dressing like she going to the club in the beginning errrrrday! lol!

[@samrajsingh258]

Anyone else got the feeling that Tamar was indirecting Jeannie at the start? Girl said sushi plate looking right at her. 💀

[@876michie5]

I agree with Tamar. Whether or not Ciara called Future'sname people would still make a huge deal out of it. In the end, I think Ciara did what makes she comfortable. Petty or not......not a thing wrong with what she did. The most important thing is that "Future's name was called".

[@adriennemyers3217]

Omg first of all the real y'all late as hell because wendy already reported this & secondly she's NOT ALLOWED to say his name because she will be charged for it 💯 im not a ciara fan but im tired of hearing this y'all dumb she wasnt being shady she's not trying to pay the money ... Next time do your research & homework before discussing bullshit

[@adriennemyers3217]

So Adrienne was right !

[@TiffanyRayneOfficial]

+Kenwood High Wendy wasn't teh first one to report this, nor was she the first to mention it. So it doesn't matter what Wendy or anybody else said, everybody is late with it.

[@Simplykiebby]

"Ciara what do you think of future?" Ciara: I don't think of him

[@zeekahmcdonald2687]

i get SOOOOOOO weak laughing every time i watch this! haaaaaaaaaa! Ciara throw ur shade girl

[@thepinkprint5936]

It might just be me, but something about this video seems VERY SHADY. I feel like at 3:40 Tamera gave her opinion on the situation, and for once, she didn't let Tamar over-talk her and interrupt what she was saying. Tamar can be very dominant when they are having conversations and tends to rule anyone who does not agree with her as 'WRONG'. And at 3:48 Tamera seemed to make it a point to say that 'one way is not wrong, and the other is not right' it is just her opinion. Peep how right after that, Tamar had to jump right in and say her piece. Then at the end LONI had to throw EXTRA SHADE and say "okay, well just like you had your opinion, this is my opinion." IDK, maybe its just me. I'm glad Tamera is finally speaking up more, but what was wrong with Jeannie?

[@relatv216]

Yes! You peeped that too? It's like something is off with everyone their all being kinda snippy with each other. I was especially surprised at Loni's statement at the end. She made it seem like Tamera was disgruntled by what she said, when Tamera was only giving her side of the Ludacris situation. And Loni had to say; in a pretty catty way I might add, "just like you're entitled to my opinion, I'm entitled to mine". And then Jeannie not saying anything? Yeah their whole vibe was off during this segment.

[@thepinkprint5936]

relatv216 exactly! Its just funny how the roles of Tamera and Jeannie have switched (in this segment).

[@charliexox9793]

I jusssss... I cannot handle Tamar right now. She is getting on my last nerves. Talking over everybody, being loud, interrupting, getting angry when people don't agree with her. She has always been like that, but it is annoying now more than ever. Uuugghh...

[@Kimillions]

Only a very trained eye would've picked up on the nearly undetectable levels of shade tossed between Loni, Tamar, and Tamera in this clip. lol If you didn't catch it, play it back lol

[@stephaniemorales2496]

Was Tamar throwing shade when she said "we're not grabbing sushi for lunch" and the camera rolled to Jeannie

[@rhemaoa766]

Stephanie Morales there is no shade. She is not control of the camera man.

[@CocoMilone]

1:30 - SHADE! CONSTANT SHADE! Jeanie putting up that post on instagram does nothing to stop the viewers noticing how shady Tamar is to Jeanie! Viewers arn't stupid, we don't want unnecessary 'beef' - we just see what we see and we don't like it.

[@Abc17890]

+CocoMilone You know, the others don't exactly encourage her to speak either. Jeanie can speak if she wants to, all she has to do is stand firm and open up her mouth like she has done for many other times; example the fashion segments.

[@elizabethorayo8555]

5:00- 5:07 MINUTE....Tamar makes my day..i keep repeating that part.. aaaaarrrhhhhh future!! lol

[@daysknowledge7215]

Tamar didn't want to speak on they relationship after the Chris brown fiasco

[@helen2U]

YOU POSTED A 6 MINUTE VIDEO! KEEP IT UP!

[@Krzrrazrrokr]

I think ciara and ludacris should have like went back and forth saying names and by the time future came around have that be one luda would say

[@mtaylor8645]

Right on the money Loni Lol!!!

[@EssentialBalance777]

I wish more females can have shows like this. Instead of being ratchet and crazy on television !

[@angelcarter4018]

yessss!!

[@chookymooky9607]

So your telling me that girl all the way in the left isn't ratchet? She's ratchet af

[@Cynthiaa.c541]

tamar acts ratchet and crazy

[@denadivine4507]

Loni you're perfect! Love it! Toooo funny 😄

[@tamielisa690]

PURPLE REIGN (wicked) 🙋🏽🙌🏾 love that song maynnn

[@theonlypdl]

Yessss Ciara!! I am HERE for your petty!!! 😂😂😂😂🙌🏽👑

[@kparm23]

Am I the only one who caught the major shade of what Tamar was saying that if she didnt like someone she wasnt going to do extra talking (Jeannie Season 1 and 2) and then she says she wouldnt share a sushi plate with them or anything ( Jeannie). Wow Tamar is so petty sometimes

[@xxyyywumpx]

The baby daddy that cheated on her then publicly bashed her repeatedly..... Hear no evil, speak no evil, see no evil

[@brodriguez002]

Tamar respond was total shade for Jennie...lol 😂

[@jefft6771]

Now that I look back at this video Tamar said the thing about sharing a sushi plate that was so shady towards Jeannie

[@mia4484]

I feel like Tamar made that comment about not discussing their relationship because of what happened when they talked about Chris Brown and Karate Kick

[@fa321]

Karate kick LMFAOOO

[@ew0711]

the high five with Lonnie and Tamar.... priceless.. lol

[@desmondgoldson8203]

THANK YOU TAMAR FOR HONESTY

[@India423.]

Am I the only one that noticed that It was so much tension, these ladies are going through a rough patch.

[@christophercarter1164]

It's hard when your baby daddy music career is on fire while yours has been in the freezer since the final season of "The Wire"

[@LSM7733]

Everybody always has to comment on her music career, but her overall career has blossomed. I read somewhere that she's worth 17mil and he's worth 3.5mil...she's doing something right!

[@christophercarter1164]

EternalJoy Money has nothing to do with musical relevance. Diddy is worth $745 million while J. Cole is worth 20 times less but is Diddy more relevant musically then Cole? No

[@christophercarter1164]

***** Money has nothing to do with musical relevance. Diddy is worth $745 million while J. Cole is worth 20 times less but is Diddy more relevant musically then Cole? No

[@LSM7733]

+Christopher Carter which is why I said her overall career has blossomed (not music)...

[@mdgfosho]

The scene in twitches Tamera was talking about is my fave too lol funny to think they were not getting along when doing that, they are such amazing actresses!

[@mariavemo9838]

YOU GUYS ARE HILARIOUS LOL LOVE YOU GUYS

[@Thewifelife40]

I will forever miss Loni and Tamar's bond 😂 I just love them together!!

[@diijaithesinger]

I see Tamar learned from her mess with K. If you don't know about it, don't comment on it!

[@ahotsfashion]

+diijai lol, or scurred coz Ciara mentioned her name & twitter shenanigans in the slander lawsuit against her Ex.

[@malikgeddins419]

+Ahot Fungroove how you know what the lawsuit looking like.

[@ahotsfashion]

Deandre Geddins yes,it´s public record now. You will find it if you google it

[@malikgeddins419]

Ahot Fungroove what do I Google

[@patc1839]

And Luda chuckled and said yeeeahh😂😂😂😂

[@carrolmw6682]

I was thinking the exact same thing with the Ludacris part😂 he took a bit too long

[@RenaAbraham]

Lol that corny joke Loni made lmao

[@shaynadorsey7779]

I'm with Tamar when I'm done I'm done, I don't want to say your name especially if you did me wrong

[@lilmisssweetheartj]

Finally a clip longer than 2 minutes

[@kissofart2741]

I totally agree with Tamara💜 I was thinking then again like maybe she was in a shock! lol so all of you ladies are BEAUTIFUL👑👑👑 continue to #WORK!

[@avaunamallett6176]

Was she being petty? Absolutely not. In my opinion. But we don't know what emotions she was feeling at that precise moment. Imagine all the crap he put her through, the fact that she named her son after him, the fact that she still has to co-parent with him. Everyone has their own opinion but at the same time you can't assume to know how someone is feeling about something. Even if she felt like she could have handled it, when the moment came, she could have felt differently about it. It's like when you think you can handle seeing someone who hurt you, then when you actually see them and it's just too much for you. Even if she was being petty, we're all human and still make mistakes, no matter how hard we try to do better. But as long as you continue to grow, you'll never be stuck in the same spot.

[@dgillie]

Did Ciara not see signs of ignorance in Future before she got with him??

[@Katatta93]

I thought it was coz there was a delay in the graphics so he was waiting for the picture to catch up to the name lol

[@ChastityBTheEntrepreneur]

Thats what I was thinking as well.

[@lexishaw158]

You can always tell who Adrienne is friends with when they discuss celebrity relationships and drama.....

[@princessq62]

I don't know why I get surprised when people don't no the answer to simple questions in business or regarding professionalism. If she was getting paid to read the names on the list....you read the names on the list. If they had Luda out there to say the name, then their ignorant, too and just looking to create a story buzz around the issue by having him say just the one name. Why would you not have them both read names back and forth or one read half the names and the other their half. Doing it this gives the tabloids a story and makes Ciara look immature. And yes, it could affect her coins because she just demonstrated to the directors and producers out there that she lets her personal life interfere with her professional life. That's petty high-school crap and she is an adult. I hate all this because I liked Ciara. I am keeping all of them in my prayers.

[@morgansimon6422]

Agreed.

[@deza321good]

I peeped how Tamara said that, "We're having a open conversation..." Clapback girl, Tamar needs to stop overpowering everyone's opinion.

[@runrockwater]

lmao i thought they were announcing together in the clip coz it looked so natural. i was more focused on the nominees vs how they are announced.

[@KTW1113]

Yes her son has the same name. But I think it's different when you're referring to your child vs when you're referring to your good for nothing ex. Same name different ppl.