Everything Wrong With The Hobbit: The Battle Of The Five Armies

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[@shadowofsocialawkwardness4900]

14:04 Actually, in the books, Tolkien mentions how Hobbits are unnaturally gifted at stone-throwing. Like, he even says specifically that a Hobbit with a stone can take out an Orc as fast as an Elf with a bow, or a Dwarf with a hammer.

[@Panda72021]

And how he says the whole falling bridge thing with Legolas is so fake he can't stand it. Elves are supposed to be SUPER light, which is why Legolas could stay on top of the snow on the mountain (before going through Moria) in Lord of the Rings, so though it still definitely looks weird, it explains how elves can somewhat defy physics.

[@Cosmicfury100]

Also when legolas is jumping on the falling bricks it even shows in the LOTR Movies and probably explains in the books that he is light enough to stand on snow. So him being able to jump up something like that makes a little more sense.

[@roskoeec]

This is a fantastic point I fully agree with, but Cinema Sin clearly states that they doesn’t care about the books

[@danielstevens8610]

Yea I do remember that. The book is way better.

[@lynk2572]

@@Cosmicfury100, it makes no sense because he's not even supposed to be there 😂

[@matboi120]

The thing of the rocks that bilbo trows is right, in the book tolkien says that hobbits have an excellent aim, and that they could hit a rabbit RUNNING in the middle of the grass, so it's pretty normal that he can hit Giant-orc-heads

[@maartenboender5352]

matboi120 yeah but its still rediculas that they die from that. its like the orks die here for breathing in thier face.

[@matboi120]

Maarten Boender i think they've just fainted

[@maartenboender5352]

matboi120 yeah possible but they are still useless compared to lotr, where they could actualy do something

[@NagandEmerald]

matboi120 Lel We see that orcs are dying to rocks to ARMORED HEADS. That shit shouldn't be anything but an annoyance to them. Unless they have seizures really easily.

[@samb7805]

matboi120 Goblin. Mercenaries.

[@grahamgrubb2905]

Smaug doesn’t kill Bard right away because he thinks that he is invincible and is toying with him.

[@nicktorres5984]

And monologuing

[@connormulholland3441]

Like every arrogant villain ever.

[@maexslg-at]

He is a breathing Giant oven on wings. And Bard's ancestor had better equipment and still lost.

[@Astroman10]

The first two replies here are why this scene got a sin. The third one should have been a sin especially since he stuck each broken half of his bow into the conveniently carved out holes in the wood.

[@piruchiruchi]

Because it is smaug nature.. thats why bilbo got the arkenstone in the first place... by talking with smauh

[@ktdvkn]

5:35 those gems belong to the elves. Specifically Thranduil’s wife’s gems. Thranduil gave them to the dwarves after his wife died so they could forge them into a necklace. The dwarves proceeded to refuse to return the gems to the elves. So basically Thranduil wants his stuff back because the dwarves stole them.

[@bucketb5778]

i think he didn't pay for them

[@hotaruchibi1669]

@@bucketb5778 first movie mentions a debate on whether or not Thranduil actually paid for them, or if the dwarves chose to keep them for some reason. Hard to know, but knowing Thranduil he may have been a cheapskate 😂

[@hewhoeatsall]

Yeah but they're elves... They don't get any rights

[@ilikenougat8892]

Nice PFP

[@waynepurcell6058]

@ali bazzi The elves hunted the PETTY dwarves before the elves realized that they weren't animals of some kind. Also the petty dwarves were pretty shit as a people, so much so that even the dwarf houses weren't all that upset over it.

[@CrazyCreeps]

That awkward moment when you realize this was only one chapter in the book

[@smst777]

Three or four, I think. But still.

[@IgnoringPhDvideo]

+smst777 well the majority of the movie (the actual battle itself) was one chapter

[@CrazyCreeps]

smst777 most of that was set-up. The death of Smaug, the Seige of Erebor, etc. The battle itself took a single chapter.

[@smst777]

CrazyCreeps9182 Yeah. But the movie is based on the setup chapters as well, as you may have noticed.;)

[@CrazyCreeps]

Yes, but look how fast it's over. Smaug gets killed, Bard demands gold, I'm not sure if Erebor is even besieged, and that's done and over in about an hour, if I remember. Not even half of the movie.

[@FluffyThumper4k]

At the part where Legolas ran on the falling bridge the whole cinema room i was in started laughing hysterically..

[@ribby9069]

FluffyThumper Same here. Everyone laughed at the stag antler decapitating 6 orcs bit too. And a few other times.

[@gabrielrangel956]

Bilbo going full David mode throwing stones at the Orcs got me gasping for air.

[@TheInspire96]

FluffyThumper i wouldn't be able to take it seriously too if i didn't know that Elves are weightless (or near weightless). It also helps explain why Legolas was walking on top of snow in Fellowship, and could wrap around the horse without it falling or staggering in Two Towers. +Ribby Cavalry of any type is hilariously op in Middle Earth I am wrong, they are not weightless.

[@frostDev]

FluffyThumper How are these movies rated so highly on IMDB

[@aMilling]

FluffyThumper I started to as well, but people got mad at me....

[@williammatthews693]

To be perfectly fair, Smaug is attacking Laketown because he knows they assisted the dwarves and that most of the dwarves care for the people of Laketown. He's a sadist, and wants to further punish the dwarves for trespassing before he finally takes them out too. I thought that was clear in the movie.

[@slidecancel7411]

Tru

[@Joex51x]

a lot of what was clear in the Movie gets skipped over for what this channel calls "comedy" but usually just comes off as crappy cynicism No pun intended

[@planetxmetal]

@@Joex51x Smaug also believed he had nothing to fear, that's why he took his time...to emotionally terrorize Bard before killing him. To Matthew's point, Smaug also attacked Lake-town because he still had the memory of Girion wounding him, thus fueling his hatred of the men there, thinking he could just swoop in, light the place up, then fly back to the mountain, finish off 13 dwarves, and go back to napping on his gold.

[@clintraley856]

And that is why he takes his time. Smaug wanted Laketown to suffer as much as possible.

[@samnash2319]

true

[@WittleSofi]

14:49 "Yay we won" This is the best way ive ever heard anyone say anytime

[@nslater1388]

I am one of the most loyal fans of Peter Jackson's LOTR trilogy and this last film pissed me the hell off! A stupid love story, an invented dragon sickness, a Wormtongue wannabe that takes more screen time than the other 12 dwarves COMBINED, a mess of a final battle, unglorious deaths for Kili and Fili and way too many saved at the last second moments!!! I TRUSTED YOU, PJ!!! ARRRRGGGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!

[@OldeYeller]

N Slater Dragon sickness was actually mentioned in the Hobbit, I finished rereading it today. It is when Thorin becomes obsessed with the Arkenstone and the treasure.

[@geneparmesan8748]

N Slater The returning characters are what angered me. Not Gandalf and Bilbo, obviously, but Legolas? Galadriel? A Gimli/Aragorn mention? PJ, we aren't babies, we can mentally connect these trilogies without being spoon-fed trite, improbable character connections. I was extremely saddened and frustrated in every Legolas/Thranduil/Tauriel/White Council scene, knowing that all of this was time being taken away from the dwarf fellowship (i.e, THIS trilogy's characters!). It's amazing how a trilogy that's so bloated can still completely fail to give most of its members screen time.

[@eyesinthesky4731]

I respected the once great Peter but now he's a piece of crap in my book.

[@Statalyzer]

EresirThe1st More like the films were true to the book by not having them have any character either.

[@kappapride720]

***** The biggest shame is that the book manages to explain things like that. Why couldn't the film have added a few lines to fill plot holes?

[@Xenunnaki]

The death of Smaug is total bullshit. He's a fucking dragon, his heart should be the size of a goddamn mini-van, and yet they kill him with a single arrow. He doesn't even bleed out or anything, he's just like "Oh no, I am slain" *Death noise*

[@Asterluna]

I'm okay with it because of the "special weapon" explanation and all that. David-Goliath set up. What really bothers me is that he dies less than 15 minutes into a 3-hour movies, after all that buildup! Smaug doesn't even count as one of the five armies!

[@alejosssdo]

arbrow96 In the last movie he was like "The Big Villain Shit" And then died like a fucking pussy, great villain guys, great just... great

[@JohnEusebioToronto]

arbrow96 David didn't have a special weapon. He nailed Goliath in the side of a head with a rock he threw from his regular-ass sling. Part of the problem is how huge they made Smaug in the movie. I LOVE him. The size is great and he feels like something Sauron might actually fear. But making him this huge means I don't believe one arrow can possibly even reach his heart.

[@junk3996]

XenuLies and now i am the dead, blah kzbin.info/www/bejne/i6CYg5ukbd-ohqM

[@danielryancruz6664]

XenuLies because that's how he dies in the books....

[@blackfyrerose2292]

You'd be surprised at how easily a parent can pick out their kids voice in the middle of a hectic orc battle

[@Ravenoros]

In the books the 13 dwarves wore practically the best armor the mountain vault could offer that's why they made a difference

[@fallencortex1571]

not to mention they are literally the best fighting dwarves in all the land as they were the only ones who survived the battle with the orcs that destroyed their people

[@jan7987]

@@fallencortex1571 bro

[@jan7987]

@@fallencortex1571 what???

[@positivithijs8441]

@@fallencortex1571 Nah mate, most of them aren't even fighters. They were just the only ones to show up to Thorin's call for help.

[@positivithijs8441]

@ali bazzi That's awesome! What about all of the other dwarves though? Like I said, most of them aren't fighters. Only like 4 of them are + Balin is very old already during the events of The Hobbit.

[@eowynsalvador6664]

I think you should've TAKEN AWAY a sin when Legolas ran out of arrows

[@benmiller5249]

Not saying this in a mean way but have you never read or seen lord of the rings they said many times that elves never run out of arrows that's why he laughed

[@eowynsalvador6664]

+An average gamer I know. That's why I wanted him to take away a sin. Because it's funny and ironic

[@ikeeek6214]

Actually in the book at least, during the battle of Helms Deep and the orc killing competition Legolas and Gimli has, Legolas's non-infinite arrows if referenced twice, once when he has to switch to a knife and once when he has to scavenged corpses for used arrows.

[@SuperSongbird21]

I don't know nothing about elves' arrow supplies, but I like this bit 'cos my mum always moans about archer characters never run out and thus she loved this bit!

[@Ruisu101]

+SuperSongbird21 His expression of sudden realisation and his gestures to his quiver are all the same as mine when I realise my bank account is low on funds.

[@sleepypanda9928]

Biggest sin in my opinion: I spent most of the movie looking forward to the Beorn rocking up in Bear form and being an absolute legend. tearing through the orcs/goblins/wargs whatever, like he does in the book. He finally arrives and he's on screen for about 8 seconds, meanwhile we have ridiculous amounts of time dedicated to the boring love story involving Evangeline Lilly and Fili/kili/who cares...

[@hegelbot]

+Johnny Goodfellow Right? i would have preferred watching a bear eat the heart out of the goblin chief as well.

[@ellie9248]

I agree with you. That weak love triangle bored me to tears.

[@Ravenbones]

+Johnny Goodfellow extended edition has more beorn.... which is why it is rated R

[@sleepypanda9928]

***** Oh sweet, is it any good? Rated R part sounds bang on

[@Ravenbones]

Johnny Goodfellow Find out soon in Oct. ;)

[@kaz1846]

Aragorn is actually in his 80s by the time the LotR trilogy rolled around. He's a descendent of the kings of Numenor. They founded Arnor and Gondor, and their line begins with Elros, the twin brother of Elrond, who chose to live a human life that was very extended because of his half elven heritage.

[@AndiNordsee]

Thanks for the Info, that bugged me a lot. But shoudldn´t he be even older? Hobbits seem to have a lifespan similar to humans, since Bilbos 111th Birthday is deemed very old. In the Hobbit, Bilbo looks like he´s in his thirties. So roughly 80 years already passed until Lotr. But Aragorn is described as "a young ranger" at the end of the Hobbit. Probably in his twenties then. Sooo.... 100+?

[@Iambrendanjames]

@@AndiNordsee Bilbo has the ring and that's why he lives so long.

[@TheGamer8041]

@@AndiNordsee In the book, Biblo is 50 when he goes his adventure. Aragorn was 10 during the events of the Hobbit (because in the fellowship of the ring book, Frodo doesn't start right away after the party, and instead waits 17 years)

[@ilikenougat8892]

@@AndiNordsee If I remember correctly, Numenourians libe around 300 years

[@meldin158]

@@ilikenougat8892 i thin aragorn was 240 years old wheb he died

[@jelly9529]

I’m way late by like 2 years but in the deleted scenes and extended edition is where the rams came from

[@Ace01]

But that's not the version that was shown in the cinemas. For the people in cinemas I wouldn't really make sense up until the point, were they watched the extended edition. That's just shit editing

[@AreztristanWT]

​@@Ace01 If you watch when Dain arrives in the theatrical, one minute into the clip you can see a few goats being ridden in the middle of all the other dwarf infantry.

[@terrylandess6072]

The Rams came from LotRO - they were the only mounts players could ride in Moria

[@adrianblindu2363]

Corect

[@MustafaMianTheGuyWhoLikesPi]

Sin 1 is inaccurate. He isn't pissed at only the dwarves, he's pissed at Bilbo. Since Bilbo claimed to be from lake-town, Smaug decided to take it out on Bilbo's hometown.

[@janemary8797]

THANK YOU! Finally, someone noticed

[@MustafaMianTheGuyWhoLikesPi]

I love criticizing "everything wrong with" videos because they get as many counts as possible, no matter how inaccurate.

[@yudoeis4250]

Mustafa Mian Watch the " Everything Wrong with Cinema Sins " Pretty sure that's the reason.

[@Jensaw101]

Mustafa Mian Did he claim to be from lake town in the movie? In the book, Smaug mistakes him from being from Lake town due to the mention of barrels, then attacks the town when he can't find Bilbo. In the movie I don't recall anyone claiming to be from anywhere, or any comments being made about where people were from -- just a fight scene where Smaug was chased off.

[@hegelbot]

+Jensaw101 Yes Bilbo calls himself "barrel rider", smaug deduces that he is "one of those miserable tub thumping lake men" and so he goes to burn lake town.

[@niallreid7664]

The Fellowship did imply they knew each other. Remember the council of Elrond? Legolas goes on a speech about who Aragorn is when Boromir disses him, and Aragorn says, "Sit down, Legolas." From the way they were both addressing and talking to each other, it would appear that they did know each other already.

[@whisper7393]

Some of those were actually mistakes in your side. Gandalf's main goal was to kill Smaug since he already suspected that Sauron might make a return at some point. The dwaren lust for gold was already well known and probably expected by everyone, but he just wanted to make sure that Smaug won't help Sauron later and that was the only option. As for Aragorn's age, he has numenorian blood. And Numenorians are blessed with longer lives. He specified in the lotr trilogy that he is 87 yo so he would be around 27 when he met Aragorn. Also, during the meeting in Riverwood, Legolas knew Aragorn. When Boromir spoke down to Aragorn, Legolas stepped in and told everyone that Aragorn is the true heir of Gondor.

[@gungeternal4119]

I agree this guy knows nothing of this universe

[@stellatheseraph]

i forgot he had numenorian blood and i was like "that's the only point I agree with" but like... ig not, then

[@MarcoDiFresco]

For the part regarding Aragon's age, I would grant 1/2 sin: sure, technically he was actually ~25 at this trilogy time (so, old enough to meet Legolas), but that scene referring to his age during LOtR was available only in the Extended Edition (and the books, but books don't matter to CinemaSins), so it is not granted to be a widely known detail (and therefore people are legitimated in miss-aging him to be between 40 to 60 considering his appearance).

[@chronos6649]

If you include the fact there is a 20 year gap between Bilbo’s 111th birthday and the council of Elrond in the lotr series, then Aragorn is more like 7 here

[@snowdrop9810]

Chronos so bilbo set out when he was 50. Ended when he was 51. So this means 60 years total. Now theres the fact that frodo waited ~20 years. So -80. There’s also the fact that the fellowship spent some time getting to rohan (aka about 1 and a half years) so he’d be ~6years old.

[@pipeborrero]

15:00 Legolas is explained in the books to be so light he doesn't sink in soft snow. They even reference this in the LOTR triology when the company is cutting through snow and Legolas is just there standing... so while looking fake the falling rock jumping scene is in theory possible for him.

[@Shoobywoobey]

2 year old comment, Ik, but it is sort of silly he shows up at all

[@pipeborrero]

@@Shoobywoobey it is indeed

[@maxthomas-bland4842]

@@pipeborrero Would like to chime in here, idk if you've changed your mind here,given it has been 2 years, but it doesn't matter how light legolas is. Any force he exerts onto the falling stones will just push them down, its the equivalent of kicking a soccer ball and getting pushed backwards.

[@pipeborrero]

@@maxthomas-bland4842 hi Max. I do maintain my opinion. And yes, every action has an equal and opposite reaction, but here the force legolas needs to apply is little due to his low weight, hence the effect on the rock is also very little. Should we see a bit more movement from the rocks? Maybe.

[@SlovenCathrin]

I didn know serious movie can become a joking lol

[@maggru91]

Lord of the rings was a masterpiece. The Hobbit was an attempt to milk money, and you saw that in how bad they were compared to lord of the rings. Like, I could not name more then 3 dwarfs at the end of the third movie. They were so forgettable. Lord of the rings were great character based movies. The hobbit were poor theme ride adventures without much content.

[@gerben2401]

maggru91 I can name 'em, but that's because of Tolkien, not Jackson

[@Sawtje2]

maggru91 That's the funniest thing though. I really didn't like Lotr.. Yet The Hobbit - all three movies - are easily my favorite. Not sure why though. Oh well.

[@gerben2401]

Sawtje2 They have an InternetTroll!

[@duke9891]

I agree. All the dwarfs could have been named "Jarjar Binx" and I would be none the wiser.

[@DrChocolateCompanion]

maggru91 Considering at the end of the book you couldn't name more than 3 either, I don't see how that's a movie flaw. And seriously, saying they are bad solely because they are worst than TLOTR is stupid, you know what other movie are worst than LOTR??? almost all of them!!! you know which book was worst than TLOTR trilogy??? The Hobbit book!!! The difference of quality between both trilogies is exactly the same as between both books, I know Tolkien fans love to talk about The Hobbit as some kind of literary masterpiece, and it is a good book, but the characters have 0 development or depth, things happen either ridiculously slow or fast and the ending is anticlimactic as fuck, so no, I don't think The Hobbit movies are bad, not even bad adaptations, could they have been better??? yep, absolutely, but still good...

[@dovahkiindead2897]

I bet someone's already mentioned this, but Aragorn's 87 when Lord of the Rings takes place

[@simonkrekels]

THANK YOU! Somebody had to say it

[@michaelt.5672]

And, judging from Legolas' and Aragorns interactions, they did know each other before.

[@hannahagberg4604]

Rockyblack smith Yeah BUT, the events of The Hobbit take place 60 years before Bilbo's party and between Bilbo's 111 birthday and Frodo setting out on his quest 17 years passes. Meaning The Hobbit takes place about 77 years before the events in The Two Towers where Aragorn says that he is 87 years old. The battle of the five armies took place in the year of 2941 and Aragorn was born in 2931... meaning he was 10 years old living with Elrond in Rivendell under the name "Estel" having no idea who he really was at that time... So it still doesn't work.

[@michaelt.5672]

Hanna Hagberg The timelines between the books and movies are not the same. The 17 year gap between bilbo leaving and frodo taking off seems to be skipped in the movies,making Aragorn around 27 at the battle of the five armies. You can't really base this on the books timelines. The fact that the movies diverge from the book's timing is worth criticising, but within the movies, this is reasonably coherent.

[@dovahkiindead2897]

yes exactly, remember that the movie shortened the time between Bilbo's and Frodo's departures considerably, Frodo was clearly still a very young adult at the time he left the Shire, and yes I am considering the fact that hobbits age more slowly than humans, but Frodo should have been more solidly a mature adult if he was supposed to be 50. If 33 to a hobbit is like 18-21 (coming-of-age) to a human, than 50 should be in the early 30s range There have been discussions about this for some time actually. Here is a link that helps explain some of the differences in the timeline : lotr.wikia.com/wiki/File:LOTRtimeline.jpg

[@jrnsyversen3902]

Dumbest moment in all three movies: When Thranduil says "We attack at dawn" (like, tomorrow) when his whole army is already standing there, at dawn, on the current day.

[@makaan699]

Not that dumb. Like, dumb, but justifiable. 1) Thorin could've changed his mind or been made to do so by the others who didn't want to die. 2) Maybe it sends a kind of message to attack at dawn - the high, noble elves symbolically taking over with beginning of a new day instead of creeping in at night like orcs. I think they prefer day time for battle, while the ring-wraiths, for example, are stronger at night.

[@boxtopp]

It's sad how they watered down his character as well as others just so they could add more plot than what was necessary or actually in the book

[@ibtgb2]

They did it to give Thorin time to change his mind. They knew the dwarves were coming but thought it would take an extra day but they marched through the night and made it there early (from the book) so they thought they had enough time to at least try to solve it peacefully.

[@kiarajovan9675]

If he woudn't wait till dawn then other armies couldn't come there.

[@JohnBanana]

how is that dumb? ever heard of a siege.

[@madih4586]

Thranduil's story is actually really sad. His wife is dead. The gems he wants from the Mountain are actually his dead wife's necklace. He's lost so much and only wants to protect his people and son while forever grieving for his wife. Elves only fall in love once. There was a deleted scene they excluded that explained Thranduil's motivation. Wish they'd kept it so the audience would understand that he's not some smug asshole. He's a grieving husband, a widowed father, and a king with the safety of his people on his shoulders. In the beginning he did not help the Dwarves because they had betrayed him. He had commissioned them to make his wife's necklace. Due to the dwarf king having dragon sickness, he gave into greed, and refused to hand the necklace over to Thranduil. A scene we actually see when he closes the necklace box in front of Thranduil. Thranduil left but not after repeated warnings that the dwarf king's mountain of gold and gems were going to attract a dragon to their kingdom. He was right. Smaug came. He refused to help due to his grudge but also because he did not want to risk the lives of his people against a beast they could not slay. Remember they needed black arrows. A dragon is a mighty opponent. He refused to have his people die to defend another kingdom. Thranduil normally distrusts outsiders since his wife's death and sticks to the borders of his kingdom. Refusing to get in the business of others.

[@khylebaguingan8211]

They're also immortal in age so it's just a waste for a hundred year old elf soldiers to die in a foreign land...... it's not easy for them to accept death because of their immortality

[@schattentaenzerin]

This is a sad and very interesting story to explore more. Somehow knowing this makes the movie even worse. Why would they cut such important character motivation but keep the idiots of Lake Town? That's just insulting.

[@madih4586]

@@schattentaenzerin I agree

[@weedmastersr]

Aragorn was 87 in LOTR. Get your shit together Cinema Sins. The rest are well deserved sins. What annoys me the most about this film is how bad, CGI drowned and Disney like the special effects have been. I'm baffled by how a movie from a decade later than LOTR can be worse at special effects.

[@Dedfaction]

Protector of the Republic It only mentions his age in the extended versions. Not to mention that it doesn't really explain why he's 87 in the film.

[@weedmastersr]

Dedfaction As far as I can remember, he says in one of the films that he belongs to a royal bloodline of men that have all had unusually long lives. That his ancestors lived for hundreds of years, or something like that.

[@Tomshiii]

Protector of the Republic correct, he does mention it (I know he does in the Extended Edition, not too sure about the theatrical release)

[@SokarEntertainment]

Dedfaction It does get explained. Its because he is a numénorean, men with a much greater life spend. Their isle kingdom was corrupted by Sauron, and banished to the bottom of the sea by Eru Iluvatar (the god of the middle earth universe). Only a few lead by Aragons ancestor left the kingdom in time, and they became the kings of the new human kingdoms

[@timbeard4466]

***** Not in the films it's not, they skipped the 17 years. He's 27 in the movie-verse, it's explained in the films' appendices.

[@Malarbat544]

That “yay we won” caught me so off gaurd. That was the most unenthusiastic cheer ever!

[@danjbundrick]

yeywewon

[@slidecancel7411]

444 likes noice

[@Aziworld36]

Sounds like me

[@sioxs6636]

I couldn't describe this comment better

[@cogsclockwork1781]

16:10 Aragorn was 87 when he joined the fellowship, and lived to be 210. He came from a line of Numenorean royal blood, which contributed to his long lifespan.

[@dezs.5202]

Ngl I love the hell out of all three Hobbit movies. They have their flaws, and they aren’t on the same level as lotr, but still, I adore them. I like how they tried to stretch out the battle, because in the book it was one brief chapter, and Bilbo gets knocked out, and since we’re following Bilbo it feels like we miss a lot, and then we just wake up to find out that Fili and Kili are both dead and Thorin lives just long enough to apologize for being a doodoo head. I love the book, but I still greatly appreciate these movies.

[@Queen_Kellz_1120]

I too love all the hobbit movies but I think this one is my favorite favorite in this trilogy 💜

[@AlkisGD]

12:30 - He just summoned the standard Dwarven mount. 12:48 - Performing an attack automatically dismounts you. 16:05 - He was 87 during LotR. (Of course, I don't think the audience has any way of knowing that. Because the books don't matter. Duh.)

[@Samagachi]

They should've called this a WoW movie instead of a lotr movie.

[@AlkisGD]

***** - Googled it and you're right: it's in the extended edition (which I've never watched). Now I'm _really_ curious. CinemaSins, do extended versions matter?

[@arty2143]

You know what is funny? The entire time the battle was going on I was chanting in my head: "Please ride some rams! Please ride some rams! They must ride some rams!" Five minutes later...well what'd ya know? They're riding rams! Hugging myself with joy and silently cheering in the theater

[@zervziel5686]

Amelia Peterson I preferred the War Pig.

[@jackbaxter2223]

Άλκης Δ. At the council of Elrond, it's quite clear that Aragorn and Legolas have known each for some time, like when Aragorn speaks Elvish and talks to Legolas like a friend.

[@darediablo]

You should have given sins off for Smaug's voice work. That's Benedict Cumberbatch man! And he sent chills down my back with every word!

[@SuperTonyony]

Early reports were that Leonard Nimoy would get the role of Smaug, so I was really disappointed. Benaffleck Cucumberpunch did a good job, but I prefer Richard Boone.

[@Panda72021]

WITH motion capture! So not only Benedict doing great voice work, but also crawling around on the floor trying to act like a dragon. 😆

[@Satanthony]

Words are scary

[@averysteffen1732]

He also voiced Sauron, as the credits show

[@michalgolonka832]

Taje sins off for EVERYTHING related to Smaug. He is the single best character ive seen in a movie

[@teahammer8440]

2:14 the people probably didn’t tell everyone because they were almost right next to the master and a massive dragon falling clearly would of killed them on impact

[@alphanoodle1877]

i really like this movie sue me I cant agree with some of these sins

[@philippebuitenhuis9326]

Alpha Noodle me To I liked it but there where also Some sins that Made No sense

[@gresosten1309]

The scene with legolas and the bridge falling apart can i explain to you, hes legolas and because he’s legolas he can do that because he’s legolas and legolas can do that.

[@kegsmagegs1516]

I agree but their are some sins I can argue like complaining about elves spinning their swords in battle that’s just awesome

[@stellatheseraph]

the only ones I can't argue with are the ones that are about things that were added into this film to reference lotr 😭

[@hashimahmed2882]

Mr. BeagleBum one sin where it says in Lord of the Rings there was no indication that Legolas knew Aragorn until the Fellowship meeting but the second Boromir questions him he jumps up to defend the King because he knew him

[@evilwillhunting]

"Goblin mercenaries! No more than a hundred. We'll take care of them..." This line really sticks out in my memory because it shows how absolutely stupid and bereft of suspense these movies became. It's such a foregone conclusion they're going to win a 100-to-2 battle without a scratch that they don't even show it. It's very difficult to care about "danger" when the characters have proved, dozens of times over, that they're invincible.

[@darking30]

ur partially right, 100vs 2 is stupid, but, in the book (silmarrillion) the goblins are smaller and weaker than average human, and elves and dwarfs are tougher, so if 1 trainned human can kill2-3 goblins, 1 trainned elven or dwarf easy can kill 10- or more goblins, plus goblins are know for his low moral, so if 100 attacks and 2 kills 20 without a big effort, thats a big morale hit, so they dont have to kill the 100 goblins just a few and chase away the rest. The silmarrillion is a great source to analize the dwarf and elven military capabilities in tolkien books, there morgoth sends hundreds of thousand orcs vs the elven kingdoms and the elve-dwarfs most of the times crushed them in open field, most of the morgoth achievements in the middle earth comes from treachery and or magic.

[@SelfReflective]

How about you don't analize them? You do realize that dwarfs and orcs and elves aren't real, right? Is this really the optimal use of your limited time on Earth?

[@evilwillhunting]

And trolling comments is how you spend yours? Oh, and learn to spend analyze.

[@SelfReflective]

Mike Brannon Trolling? Did I write something unreasonable?

[@lowgrasswhite]

Precisely the moment when i thought, welp, time to search "everything wrong with The Hobbit".

[@YusufWagih]

Bilbo never missed while throwing rocks because Hobbits have exceptional accuracy (seemingly magical), even in LOTR merry and pippin are fighting using rocks a couple of times

[@LosgehtsFCB]

Was Crocodile Dundee a Hobbit then? Because he was good at throwing rocks as well

[@thatguy1153]

I read Tolkien growing up, and love his work, but I still thought that was dumb as $#!+

[@soXCold]

its actually fact it is stated somewhere i don't remember the citation off of the top of my head. but the quote is "a hobbit armed with a rock is a truly dangerous foe"

[@ccarnagee7867]

He expected bilbo to fight goblins twice his size face to face with sword.......and finds sins in movies.....things people do in youtube

[@Descalabro]

do they also have some sort of hyper-strength that will knock out the beasts with a single stone?

[@rishirajpandya1986]

I know it’s the point, but as an avid Tolkien fan, it hurts me to see the lore just thrown out for the sins

A lot of the sins exist because he doesn't undestand well the lore

[@lars8973]

He could have done some research but no

[@sirdexterthegloriusthebles8943]

@@lars8973 if you need to do research to understand whats going on in a movie that is nearly 3 hours long and made from just a few chapters of a single book then it is a flawed movie

[@brazzb761]

@Elizabeth LaPlante you should never have to do background research for a full viewing experience. This coming from someone who will look into anything and everything that interests me. Fuck i read a manga once that mentioned the power of tardigrade so i decided to look into everything about them. A movie that relies on outside information, is not a good movie.

[@rustdbrainwaves]

@@lars8973 I mean, if he did research on the source material for every single movie he sinned, he wouldn't have time to sleep

[@nedandtheneedlefishvevo575]

6:10 in the extended edition of Two Towers Aragorn literally says that he’s 87. The Dunedain are blessed with long life.

[@morganmccown5572]

No one is going to address the bullshit mapping the movie gives? Gundabad is close? Mount Gundabad is the northern most mountain in the misty mountains, the entire of mirkwood away. Erebor gateway to Angmar? Bullshit Angmar is a few hundred miles north of the shire which is even further away than Gundabad. I mean shit Peter Jackson every LOTR book has a damn map in the front

[@ilania95]

Morgan McCown The worst part is that Jackson screwed up the perfectly coherent information Tolkien provided in the books (LotR appendices to be precise): Sauron's plan was a three-way strike from Mordor and Harad against Gondor, from Dol Guldur against Lothlorien and Mirkwood, and from Rhun against Erebor and Dale; this third army would have then marched westward, crossing the Misty Mountains at Mount Gundabad and flowing into Eriador. In fact, Gandalf's point in rebuilding the Dwarven kingdom in Erebor (and the human one in Dale as well) was to make sure Sauron's armies couldn't just walk by...

[@JoeTyler85]

Morgan McCown well, tbh, that part didn't bother me much, after all, if you control Erebor you control the whole North east of the Misty Mountains; an orc-infested Erebor-Gundabad could easily cross the mountains and reclaim Angmar, and then Eriador would be seriously threatened again; what matters to me is that both in the book and the movie, Sauron's options in the North are wasted by the time the battle of 5A ended...thus the Isengard + Mordor alliance as the only real option left (since it was clear that Rhur was just not strong enough to conquer Lothlorien+Black Forest and Esgaroth-Dale-Erebor-Iron Hills)

[@hymnisian]

Morgan McCown well it was considered the gateway because Sauron's main base was in Dol Guldur, where passing through mirkwood would be a bad plan because he thought the elves would fuck him up. and Erebor is just a bit north east of mirkwood, meaning he can deliver armies without elven harrassment. Which is why i think it was called the "Gateway to angmar" because it was the best place to launch attacks and coordinate armies under the circumstances.

[@tenaarfeiri7164]

+Bearclaw95 "You can't just walk in from Mordor..." ... Sorry, I feel like that needed to be said.

[@ilania95]

Tenaar Feiri, that magnificently summaries the whole point.

[@Venom-gh7bn]

Second film is my favourite. In answer to the second sin. The reason why Smaug chose to attack lake town is so their deaths are on the dwarves conscious. And the reason why the 2 people in the background didn’t see Smaug squish the master is probably because they got squished too

[@lynk2572]

That made me laugh 😂 thankyou "they got squished too" 🤣 why am I dying

[@samoppedisano3994]

First half of first one was good

[@kegsmagegs1516]

Smaug actually said he was attacking lake town for that reason

[@ericwest881]

@@samoppedisano3994 I've always liked An Unexpected Journey and The Fellowship of the Ring more than the rest. The build up, the introduction to the characters, the interactions, etc. I dont particularly like it when things are just nothing but action packed 🤷‍♂️

[@scottmatheson3346]

LOL. "Why attack my enemies, or even their loved ones, when I can attack strangers they feel no real loyalty to in the hopes my enemies will be mildly discomforted by guilt until they rationalize away their responsibility for the situation, as sentient beings are prone to do? My revenge will be so devastating!"

[@steffenritter7497]

I have sinned! I freely admit to loving both trilogies, even though "The Hobbit" is a small book, expanded into three movies, with characters that weren't in the book.

[@stellatheseraph]

it's not a sin when half of the points made in the video can easily be swept aside if you know middle-earth and the books

[@justcare.9390]

that's fair, I liked the movies too and The Hobbit doesn't deserve the hate it gets

[@bibble8605]

Love the support for these movies

[@faithcastillo9597]

​@@justcare.9390 Yes, it does. This horrible movie is so far removed from the actual story written by Tolkien as be not even related. What a hot mess!

[@nicktorres5984]

12:30 note to cinemasins in the extended edition the dwarves used the rams as part of the dwarves Calvary, and the three others were from a chase which ended with Dwalin, Fili, and Kili using the three remaining rams with other rams being eaten by wargs to catch up to Thorin while Balin holds off the wargs

[@bobbiwithani7396]

In The Lord of the Rings the Orks were so realistic they truly scared the shit out of me!!! In The Hobbit the Orks were so CGIed & shown so much that they completely lost their fear factor.

[@politicallycorrectredskin796]

They were better, although still almost entirely useless in a fight for creatures having been "bred for war". There's Azog and Bolg, and then there's big, bad teeth guy with a bow shooting Boromir, big, inept but still sort of scary guy who tries to kill Merry and Pippin, Olympic Torch guy from Helm's Deep and limp, crippled guy from the battle for Minas Tirith. Every other orc in the entire movie series is utterly useless, which makes it very hard for me to take them seriously. And of the six not quite so useless orcs, only Azog, the guy with a bow and the torch guy actually achieve anything of note whatsoever, albeit in miserable defeat. And even that only happens for plot purposes. Boromir and Thorin were done, redeemed and had to be killed off, and the wall at Helm's Deep had to be breached to make the King's morning rally more poignant. Conglaturations! You are now The Eagles! Also, no, Bolg killing Romeo the Love-Dwarf doesn't count because Franny Walsh made that up. It isn't in any book ever written by Tolkien. Let's face it: orcs are a completely pathetic enemy. So are the Nazgul obviously. Another scary enemy that all told achieves absolutely nothing worthwhile in six straight movies. Well, they did kill Theoden, so I guess that's something. But he was done as well, because he had found redemption. So the Lich King is an Eagle too! This complete uselessness of the evildoers was sort of in the subtext of the far less combat-obsessed book. But it gets highlighted in the movies until they really lose their impact as credible threats.

[@roitomado4537]

It's "O-R-C-S," my friend, not "O-R-K-S." This is the Tolkien Universe... not Warhammer..

[@evelyimh4540]

The orcs I’m just happy Legolas managed to finally kill that one

[@tywdawg]

they also were a few years apart and as people grow they lose fears

[@tywdawg]

but you are still right

[@lizlewes9536]

Aragorn and Legolas did know each other. Aragorn said Legolas name several times before they introduced

[@gungeternal4119]

When boromir spoke ill of aragorn, immediately legolas- "THis is aragorn, son of arathorn. Legolas obv new who he was. This narrator is dumb

[@ladyalaina42]

Aragorn brought Smeagol (Golem) to the Woodland realm dungeons and no doubt knew Legolas from that visit.

[@adityabhalekar3506]

exactly. Thy also explained how Thranduil's gems got into erebor

[@vegito5626]

But the problem is that Thranduil says Strider, a nickname that Aragorn did not have until he was 21 i think

[@feanor1488]

Thanduil says to Legolas to go find a man named Strider. The problem with this is that Aragorn was around 10 at the time and he went by the name Estel. He was nicknamed Aragorn when he was 21. It obviously doesnt make much sense.

[@acadrengberg]

Questioning the vision of "old ass" Gandalf? He's not a human, he's a demi god. cough, casual

[@kozotorul1843]

Ikr half of the sins are by lacking of lotr universe knowledge.

@@kozotorul1843 the other half isn't even an actual problem with the movie

[@felixroussin7430]

Well he is not a half god he is a Maïar, lower class of Ainurs the first living creature after eru illuvatar the creater hum self.

[@acadrengberg]

@@felixroussin7430 Yes, that's what I said. You're just using Tolkien's made up words. :)

[@acadrengberg]

I guess by saying demi god, that implies half mortal half god. When what I meant was more like the gods' pets, or 'assistants' Maybe should have said angel.

[@filbustv7320]

Just a fun fact, the reason Bilbo successfully hits every rock throw isn’t just bs luck. In the first film he states he is quite good at a game of conkers which is actually a throwing game involving the seed of a horse chestnut. So it isn’t a big reach to go from conkers to Bilbos rock throwing abilities

[@EleonorasFalcon]

The Hobbit took place in T.A. 2941. In the appendices of The Return of the King, it states Aragorn was born in T.A. 2931. He was 10 years old during this quest, and still living as Estel in Rivendell. Mentioning him in this context as a ranger, in my opinion, was deserving of 5 sins.

[@TorIverWilhelmsen]

Hm, that makes sense; Bilbo turns 111 in LotR, if Aragorn is 87 then, that would be 77 years after the Hobbit, making Bilbo 34 years old at the time.

[@DarthRushy]

+EleonorasFalcon In the Extended Edition of the Two Towers, Aragorn mentions that he's around 80. These movies take place 60 years before LOTR. Therefore, in the film series, he's around 20 here. That's Ranger enough for me.

[@EleonorasFalcon]

+DarthRushy Out of curiosity, where does it say 60 years? I have not seen that.

[@EleonorasFalcon]

DarthRushy Scratch that last question. Was your source Wikipedia? Because their page says the Hobbit movies took place sixty years before the BEGINNING of the Lord of the Rings. Which is true. However, the beginning of the Lord of the Rings was Bilbo's 111th birthday party, which took place in T.A. 3001. 17 years had passed between the party and Gandalf returning to inspect the ring. To my knowledge, this is not stated in the movie. Nor is it stated that it took place in the same year. So we return to the books for answers. That moment in the Two Towers when Aragorn mentions that he is 87 years old? That took place in T.A. 3018 (or rather, early 3019). Approximately 17-18 years after the beginning of the first movie and 77-78 years after the Battle of the Five Armies, still making Aragorn about 10 years old at the time.

[@Pilusmagnus]

+EleonorasFalcon Except that in the films, the 17-year gap does not happen, making Aragorn 27 at the time of The Hobbit in the film, although you're right that in the books he's 10.

[@imcracked5811]

13:57 hobbits are known to be amazing rock throwers. There like elves with bows, but they use rocks. There better with rocks than swords

[@johns5638]

*they're

[@kingsoren2010]

And very accurate.

[@megamike2016]

"should a hobbit stoop to pick up a rock, most creatures go running."

[@thepickygamer4450]

Now all I want to see is a short film of Hobbits playing baseball.

[@sethtallman7281]

@Newell Orban theres this thing about rocks. Theyre really hard and dont require much force to break skin. Proof: my 8 year old brother had split my skull open(flesh not bone) and required 4 stitches. Then theres technique as well. A full grown man can throw a baseball at 100mph. If a hobbit can do even a quarter of that with the right rock, its gunna hurt.

[@danjbundrick]

"I'll tell ya, this movie has violated me so completely, I'm beginning to mistake this for love." OMG! HAHAHAHA

[@leventepeter9516]

Actually not many people got to see the one ring, and it looks just like a regular golden ring. Gandalf knew that it was a magic ring but there were plenty of them. Later he thought that it might be the ring of power so he went to Minas Tirith to make sure that it was, and that is when he learned that if you put the one ring in fire writings will appear on it, so he tested it and then he knew for sure. So at 4:48 that’s not wrong with the movie.

[@TheDeathsReclaimer]

Wow, Tauriel and Fili/Kili (it's one of the two) have a pretty naff love story. I mean, they met in a prison and were barely together throughout the entire set of films. Then, to top things off, Tauriel waited for another 10 seconds to realise that her lover was going to die by an Orc. A single bloody Orc. Man, surely she could've just used her elf powers to knock the hell out of that guy. Did she want him killed? Ah well, what can I say. It's still a better Love Story than twilight.

[@jacobgrindel6669]

+TheDeathsReclaimer lol it is pretty shitty I felt the same about the whole Aragorn and Arwen love story in the first trilogy enough shit is happening in these stories there didn't need to be romance

[@GuinnevereB]

+Jacob Grindel There';s one difference: the Aragorn/Arwen love story was in the original LOTR books, although it was expanded a lot in the film. The one in The Hobbit is just a tacked-on gratuitous romance. There's entirely too much of that in cinema today!

[@jacobgrindel6669]

GuinnevereB yea lol exactly.

[@bewilderbeastie8899]

+TheDeathsReclaimer It completely undermines the importance of the Legolas/Gimli friendship in LotR. The whole idea behind them being friends was that it hadn't been done since the fall of Eregion and Celebrimbor's death, for various reasons. So Legolas seeing the "error of his ways" because of this tacked-on romance completely destroys his characters development over the three movies.

[@TheDeathsReclaimer]

+Bewilderbeastie Never thought of that my friend. It only adds to the utter stupidity of the storyline.

[@popopboom]

What pissed me off the most was the fucking glow. Jesus, made it look like a fucking fairytale compared to the gritty original trilogy

[@benjaminbutton4738]

popopboom the cgi really sucked balls

[@ryandooley2589]

popopboom Well that's how the book is written. We're LOTR was more grown up and realistic, The Hobbit was meant to be more of a classic fairy tale for children.

[@Double-R-Nothing]

popopboom I KNOW RIGHT! That stupid bloom filter gave everything an unnatural shine and somehow made the green-screen very noticeable!

[@hatskeleton635]

popopboom Didn't read the Hobbit book then? It was a Children's Book.

[@RecklessDemonX]

Haven't seen these films then? They're not children's films. Don't tell me you're going to show your 6-year old these kind of movies with brutal beheadings, mass murder and all sorts of violent expositions.

[@dorlow3765]

5:28 - 5:50 no, from what I've heard, the necklace thing was commissioned for his wife iirc.

[@PineappleBoiii]

16:10 Two Towers extended gives says Aragorn is 87, so at the time of The Hobbit he would be 27

[@trezapoioiuy]

LOTR made CGI stuff look real. The Hobbit made even real stuff look like CGI

[@SuperTonyony]

LOTR had tons of location shooting, but in the Hobbit films, Jackson simply filmed nearly everything indoors in front of a greenscreen. It's really hard for me to admire laziness.

[@squashbanana5146]

@@SuperTonyony You do realize that much of the hobbit films were filmed in (I may have the wrong country here) Norway's deep untouched wilderness right?

[@vampiraJ]

“Like a painting that got jizzed on by the sun.”

[@flavio7180]

Frank Bowman It’s not laziness, Jackson had very little time to complete Hobbit compared to the LOTR.

[@flavio7180]

Wuanslm You do know that he wasn’t the one who wanted to make it right? Another director wanted to make it, then when he dropped out of the project, Peter Jackson was chosen to direct it.

[@e.vasileva5891]

Too little sins. The trolls don't turn into stone in daylight, Legolas immediatelly forgets "his feelings" for Tauriel etc. Just sin every scene with Tauriel in it.

[@mbartelsm]

P. Camenzind agree, they actually went soft on this and sinned only the most important and obvious sins, if they had been sinning like they do lately this would have gone over 300 sins

[@owenpo1417]

Miguel Bartelsman You do realize a number that high would have to receive the Transformers AoE treatment. Despite how enjoyable that was, I don't think Cinemasins wants to do that again.

[@mbartelsm]

Owen Po which is why they probably didn't

[@simonwills540]

P. Camenzind There are certain trolls which turn to stone. There are trolls bred by Sauron which can stand the light, like the Uruk hai

[@mbartelsm]

Billy Batson If I'm not mistaked, those trolls didn't show up all the way until the second war of the ring, 60 years after the events of the hobbits.

[@rclines001]

My biggest issue was with the big battle itself. Where did all the dwarves go that were still on the hill with all their siege weaponry when Azog arrived? Those whirlies could have taken out a great number of baddies.

[@coltonpatterson7632]

The reason smaug was mad at lake town was because smaug thought that lake town helped the dwarves so thats why also if you check out the extended edition it explains more

[@safoma]

No "The power of Christ compels thee!" when Galadriel banished Sauron into the horizon? C'mon Jeremy.

[@IHTHKRS]

Young Koots team rocket blasting off again!!!

[@Scamspam]

Young Koots Also "The power of boners is stronger" when Galadriel kisses Gandalf on the forehead and waking him.

[@sonofangron2969]

Young Koots Galadriel banishes Sauron to the Friendzone...

[@fife007]

Demonflesh spawn or the phantom zone

[@thebandit0256]

Young Koots go fucked your cardinal hat.

[@Haedox]

Out of all the Hobbit movies, I gotta say, the first one is still my favorite.

[@Logan-nm9qh]

Absolutely. Same here.

[@gabrielrangel956]

It's hard to decide, bird crap, molten gold statue or ludicrous hammer? I'd say probably the book.

[@thatguywithawatch53]

Haedox Probably because it was the only one that can be considered decent.

[@minecraf1er]

I'd have to say the 1985 Soviet version of The Hobbit is my favorite one.

[@iceplays6518]

Same here

[@bababoy5608]

14:57 In the books, Tolkiens mentions how Elfs are extreamly light footed, and back in LOTR the fellowship of the ring, Legolas is seen walking on the snow compared to the rest of the group who is struggling to walk through it. The concept and idea of this video is fun and pretty clever, but you have countless of "points" in the video that could easily be answered if u took 5 minutes to research.

[@heitorpedrodegodoi5646]

If you need outside information to a movie to be good, its still a bad movie.

[@JoniWan77]

@@heitorpedrodegodoi5646 Not to speak of the fact, that being light footed from the books still does not explain this bs. Tolkien's world has very soft world building, so although elves may not sink into snow, it does not mean, that there is a physical reason behind it, that can be applied like physical laws. That's way too modern thinking for a story meant to mimic medieval literature.

[@heitorpedrodegodoi5646]

@@JoniWan77 Yeha

[@freakytostadacartoon]

@@heitorpedrodegodoi5646 Its illogical even to the books. The books didn't had this bs.

When Im kinda curious to watch a movie but feeling very lazy, I just watch a cinemasins video about it and get a pretty good summary

[@silvermoon9021]

Not with these movies

[@brailee4010]

Eh this doesn’t really represent how the movie actually went down you can’t understand anything and nothing makes sense if you don’t watch the whole thing

[@gungeternal4119]

not really, true fans can quickly debunk his dumb arguments

[@bradleygrennan6911]

Too lazy to watch a movie? That makes no sense

[@adityabhalekar3506]

no its innacurate. Most of these sins are ridiculous. They didn't watch extended editions. They may have dumb moments, but the hobbit is a great series

[@Gaia_Gaistar]

Aragorn is like 80 during the Lord of the Rings.

[@joshmeek5899]

110

[@Gaia_Gaistar]

Josh Meek Really? I havn't read the books in forever but I thought in the deleted scene from the Two Towers he says he's like 80 or 85.

[@alatea3685]

9_Bucks I watched the Two Towers (+ deleted scenes) 2 days ago and in a deleted scene before the Wargs attack them, he tells Eowyn he's 87.

[@Blackblood254]

9_Bucks It wasn't a deleted scene it was an extended scene. I have the extended version of The Two Towers and he tells Eowyn that he is 87. So you were right.

[@SixColorRainbow]

Agnes Amarfio Technically they are deleted scenes but back into the movie, since Peter Jackson has never heard of a Deleted Scenes feature on the Special Features menu.

[@MarlsbysDragons]

I'm sure it's been said before, but I'll say it again. Both Legolas's rock jumping, and Bilbo's rock throwing, are both well within the powers attributed to their respective races in the books. Now, I know: 'the books don't matter, Mael, they won't sin things from the books', but I'm 96.538% sure that there's SOMETHING in one of the 5 other movies that mentions the hobbits' insane accuracy, and the elves' amazingly light tread, the one that lets them walk on snow. Though now that I think about it, maybe that should still be sinned, because I don't think elves are fast enough to do that. But I maintain they could climb falling rocks if the rocks were moving slower. Dang, that sentence made more sense in my head.

[@loxurloxurs5517]

yeah u are right, in the last march of the ents peregrin and meriadoc are throwing rocks at the orcs and showing of their great accuracy

[@PedroMelloA]

I'm sorry but Legolas rock jumping is physically impossible.

[@MarlsbysDragons]

Pedro Albuquerque I just said that. He cannot move as fast as the rocks fall.

[@hansesa4586]

+Pedro Albuquerque Elves are magical beings. Their tread is so light that they can walk on metre-high snow without even leaving an imprint, while even hobbits sink into it. It's not a question of physics or weight. They are capable of communicating with the elements and nature itself.

[@hansesa4586]

I'm all for hating on the The Hobbit movies, but this, despite being action movie crap, does not contradict Tolkien's idea of elfish abilities.

[@TheFilipe158]

"The women can clean up" CinemaSins: "Thats racist" Makes sense.

[@canesvenatici9588]

CinemaSins can't differ between racist and sexist. That being said, I couldn't disagree with that crooked guy on this one.

[@TeamJella]

Racism isnt real, much like sexism, so who cares?

[@reidaskren5284]

Kai The_Magical.Lizard one that isn’t covered with snowflakes like you

[@blatherskite3009]

It's a running joke. CinemaSins say "that's racist" whenever anything in a movie is any kind of derogatory or exclusionary or biased or whatever. If a character says they don't trust psychiatrists, CinemaSins will say "That's racist." You get the idea.

[@andrewhodyss9092]

@@TeamJella ok buddy

[@kingwrister]

Dwarves: Build pretty solid shield wall Elves: Proceed to jump over it and ruin the entire purpose of the formation for the sake of epicness

[@alexdawson5293]

Those are trolls... in sunlight.... why havent they turned to stone?

[@gamejockey9978]

It's this whole thing about those being mordor trolls, known as Olog-hai, which are immune to sunlight, and given to Azog by Sauron

[@alexdawson5293]

+konner teofilo I no mordor trolls are imune but these trolls are from gundabad and the misty mountains

[@gamejockey9978]

+Alex Dawson i just rewatched the movies and it IS stated that those are gundabad trolls, but one thing I also noticed, its cloudy in every single scene of this movie that includes trolls, so that could be something

[@ArvelDreth]

+Alex Dawson Has to be direct sunlight. There's too much cloud cover.

[@davidmckenna858]

+ArvelDreth OR we could all just admit that PJ was running on fumes at this point and decided to throw whatever nonsense he could think of on the screen.

[@Amy-vb7vl]

I feel that Edna from the “Incredibles” would have a seizure from the elves wearing capes in battle. And Thranduil’s cape is- like, dragging on the floor

[@brailee4010]

Nah man those caps are elven capes that wouldn’t happen, his is probably made with some type of magic anyways

[@Quintainuim]

i dont know why people hate on these movies so much they are all incredibly films with great graphics and loving stories and characters to include the flaws with inaccuracy to the books but why does that matter all that matters is that you enjoy these grate films for what they are.

[@h4lfal1ve]

4:27 what shes holding during this part is one of the elf trinkets and also the eagles are their own separate species, so they only help out the characters so much before being like "gonna drop you off at this tall cliff thats extremely hard to get down because i dont wanna carry you any further"

[@bewilderbeastie8899]

"Halfway down the Anduin" except the River Running doesn't flow into the Anduin and the Bay of Belfalas, it flows into the Sea of Rhun.

[@sampomme]

+Bewilderbeastie That pissed me off so much, too.

[@MURFGAMING1228]

+Bewilderbeastie This comment is funny because of geography. LAUGH YOU FOOLS!

[@bewilderbeastie8899]

***** That's a pretty good view of it.

[@sampomme]

***** But wouldn't they rather refer to the Mithlond? Since that is actually the way which the elves use to pass to the Undying Lands...

[@bewilderbeastie8899]

These people aren't elves, though. And I think that the knowledge of elves and Mithlond wouldn't be known by the masses.

[@Hiraghm]

As I recall the mythology of Hobbits, they are great at throwing.

[@hanburgundy4317]

+Hiraghm Yeah, but CinemaSins ignores differences from book to movie; they just focus on the films as films and find their flaws therein. If they included story changes and discrepancies, we'd be here for hours.

[@AIONBERSERKER]

+Hiraghm Right, but how is a rock going to kill an armored Orc?

[@minihercules317]

+AIONBERSERKER that wasn't the point

[@AIONBERSERKER]

cayden Garrand This is a follow up question.

[@allim.5941]

Narrator: “Are we winning?” Sigh. “I don’t care” Me while watching football: Same.

[@davinthule249]

Okay, if you don't see how the rams appear then you've only seen the theatrical movie and not the extended one. It's a scene from the extended film where the ram chargers are ridden by the dwarves into the elven battle line. They also pop up in other scenes in the battle too. I was like wtf when I saw it in cinemas but the extended explains it well. Also hobbits are uncannily good shots when throwing stones something that's always been in their backstory

[@DocPicklez]

I just hope Peter Jackson doesn't try to make the Silmarillion into 9 movies.

[@olxez]

God I wish that such a beutiful work of art never becomes a movie

[@SPM0717]

LoweWahrolen Tolkien's family aren't giving anyone the rights to adapt any more of his work, so it looks like you're in luck.

[@alebyron]

DocPicklez as long ans Christopher Tolkien is alive, there will be no Silmarillion movies (thank god)

[@TomaszWota]

Alessandra De Bernardis Yeah... Sigh. I don't know if that's a good thing. Bad adaptations are bad, but good adaptation could be brilliant... Eh. :

[@MrMarttivainaa]

Tomasz Wota It's like trying to turn something like the Bible into a movie. It just doesn't work.

[@miazillwood-hunt1031]

The whole reason I think that Smaug didn’t kill bard straight away is because he was purposely stretching it out, he didn’t expect anyone to be able to actually take him down.

[@yampaamvs]

Yes, dragons are specifically characterized in Tolkien's books as having a "hypnotic" power. They enjoyed crushing their opponents through psychological manipulation, as you see Smaug attempt on both Bard and Bilbo in the film.

[@joeu.3624]

@Christopher Hendricks They may have taken lore - but they didn't take the books into account. Bard was the rightful descendant of the king of Erebor; further, he didn't talk or have any conversation with Smaug - he spoke to the Thrush and gained the secret to destroying the dragon and then he killed the dragon with no conversation. It's horrible that Peter Jackson had so much respect for the books in the Lord of the Ring trilogy and abandoned it during this movie...

[@manqueovejero5399]

Bard is the decendant of the king of Esgaroth, and i think that in the book he is the captain of the guard in lake town. And i was so triggered about not following the book

[@joeu.3624]

@@manqueovejero5399 I feel so foolish! Yes, Esgaroth! Thank you; I was wrong about the location, don't know why I was thinking of Erebor. But you're right; he was of the line of kings in that realm! Also, as an aside, is that (in my opinion) the animated version of Bard slaying Smaug is, in my opinion, far better than the live-action version...

[@herukurnianto9159]

13:33 Exactly.. I thought about the wereworms, too.

[@oliebol-fr9ft]

16:10 on the subject of Aragorn being at least 60: the dunedain are a very long living race of men, and Aragorn is 87 years old in Fellowship, so that part actually makes sense

[@brentlacey5]

This wasn't in the movies but Galadriel did fight in the war of the ring, she was just in the north destroying the entirety of the walls surrounding Dol Guldor so that sin shouldn't count.

[@hennyM5]

Brent Lacey this is Cinema Sins though, not Literature Sins

[@danterocca5979]

The books DONT FUCKING MATTER

[@L0LWTF1337]

Brent Lacey In order to know that you need to be able to read. A skill that most people are missing.

[@ghostapostle7225]

Dante Rocca it does matter in this case because it was not part of the main plot of LOTR (its not even mentioned). So, only by reading further you would know that.

[@bboymonk3y]

Duilio Murai you must be new here... Books don't matter here, if the movie is missing a lot of content from the book then it's the movie's fault for not explaining; this is +1 sin for not explaining. This is CinemaSIN, not bookSIN.

[@TheJamesAnimations]

I hate to be the butt hurt fan boy but there are a few issues with this that I thought I would point out 0:14: Well the whole point of attacking Lake-Town was that the Dwarfs were hard to fight inside a complex mountain and Smaug believed that the people of Lake-Town were behind the whole thing and when Bilbo told him to stop since they were innocent, Smaug realised that Bilbo cared about these people and said "...Then you can watch them burn" so not only did he think the men of Lake-Town were behind it but also he wanted to do it to make the Dwarves and Bilbo feel guilty, almost punish them by killing others. 3:28 & 4:13: You said that she had all that power for both trilogies when actually it was only one. When she used her huge power move and then banished Sauron she used up most of her power, so they took her to Lothlorien as somewhere she could just relax for a few hundred years to regain her power. And even then she didn't really have any use for her power in the other two movies so she hasn't been a dick in not using it, only cautious to make sure she doesn't waste her power in case something important happens. 5:35: If I remember correctly (so If this is wrong feel free to correct me) this was addressed in the first film in the prologue (more detail went into it in the extended edition) where the dwarves had a deal with the elves for a trade of some sort, I could be confusing this for something that happened in the Silmarillion but I think the dwarves made those "Elf Gems" and agreed to trade them with Thranduil but the dwarves changed their mind because they loved what they made more than what Thranduil offered so kept them, and since then Thranduil still considered the gems his. 6:26: Okay I can understand this one but I think Thorin trusts Bilbo more because he was the one willing to go into the mountain, he was one of the most loyal companions in all the movies and Thorin trusts him the most, also earlier Thorin saw that Bilbo didn't care about riches, when he carried the (I think) chestnut from Beorn's garden he thought "this guy doesn't care about this gold or any of this treasure, he cares about his garden, food and books" so why would Thorin think Bilbo would take the stone? It is a grey area though. 7:30: It's possible he did hear that, Hobbits after all do have remarkable hearing. I will quote from the book (which I understand seems a little ironic since these films pretty much ignored most of the book "...When large stupid folk like you and me come blundering along, making a noise like elephants which they can hear a mile off." Chapter 1. If they can hear a regular human's footsteps from a mile off, I think it is reasonable to think they can hear a conversation from a few feet away. 9:23: Well he is shouting, I'm pretty sure she would hear. 11:31: The dwarves did have rams, when Dain first arrived he was riding one and I think a few others were too. 13:04, 13:07 & 13:30: I think you're confusing Goblins for Orcs, goblins are nowhere near as powerful, I mean you saw goblin town in AUJ they're pretty weak, I'm sure two of the best dwarf soldiers could take them on. 14:01: Again we will return to the original book. From Chapter 8: "Bilbo was a pretty fair shot with a stone, and it did not take him long to find a nice smooth egg-shape one that fitted his hand cosily. As a boy he used to practise throwing stones at things, until rabbits and squirrels, and even birds, got out of his way as quick as lightning if they saw him stoop; and even grown-up he had still spent a deal of his time at quoits, dart-throwing, shooting at the wand, bowls, ninepins and other quiet games of the aiming and throwing sort." So I'd say he had a pretty good aim if he was 51 and had been practising since he was a child. 14:06 If you're in the middle of a big crazy battle and this creature who is even smaller than a dwarf with no bears is just throwing rocks I would think "oh this is some sort of child" So why would you waste time killing it when you have people who do pose a threat to go against. Although I can agree for the most part with it. 16:10: Okay I can understand that since Aragorn look about 40 in the Lord of the Rings people would think this is stupid but there was a scene in the Two Towers when they're on the way to Helm's Deep that he explains that he is a Dúnedain with Royal Blood and so can live longer than most men, he was actually 87 at the time of Lord of the Rings, and since this film took place about 60 years beforehand, and we of course wont forget the fact it took Frodo 11 years to leave the Shire after Bilbo's 111st birthday but still that would make Aragorn 10 at the time of the Hobbit, there is still a sin here though. In the time of the Hobbit Aragorn wasn't a ranger yet, he was actually in Rivendel, after Aragorn's father was killed when he was 2 Elrond brought him to Rivendel to keep him safe so actually Thranduil should be sending Legolas to Rivendel. 16:26: Okay I'm not positive on this one but MAYBE Thranduil knew Aragorn was in line for the throne, I'm saying maybe because from what I read it was only Elrond who knew at this point but maybe Elf Lords communicate and Thranduil knows this, and they only met at the council of Elrond? Again nothing I've read up on proves this but when Legolas jumps up and defends Aragorn when no one else would, that seems like they've been friends long enough for Legolas to give enough of a damn. 16:43: Well the Hobbit takes place during 2941 and Frodo isn't born until 2968 so while Elves are very knowledgeable I doubt he can predict the future. So that's taken about 16 sins off, some might need a bit more conformation but I defiantly think I have proven a few wrong. Consider this a Cinema Sins Sins. As I said if I have gotten anything wrong please do correct me.

[@Ninety7keys]

you're awesome

[@npublicaciones]

Vrotdogi Pronin's Home of Suicide and Depression I'll explain some of the other "sins" Cinemasins pointed out and which were also not sins. 0:55: When the author of this video mentions the "video game weak spot" he has no point there, for if he had read the book he would have realized it is exactly the same weak spot that Tolkien gave Smaug. He can't be pierced or stabbed by anything but a Black Arrow. And a long time ago a Black Arrow ripped off a scale from his body, leaving this weak point behind. This is the only way he can die at present. 1:00: He says that the Smaug could have killed Bard whenever he wanted to and that is right. But if you follow the story, which also remains consistent to the book in this aspect, Smaug is a dragon that enjoys watching people suffer. He says this to Bilbo in DOS regarding Thorin's need to get the Arkenstone, and then it is also implied when he sets out to kill the people of Lake Town and says "they will burn". So, imo, he is enjoying himself watching Bard being hopeless, which is confirmed by the lust and excitement in his face when he says "is that your CHILD? You cannot save him from the fire!" I think that explains it. 1:53: This sin was really stupid in my opinion. Prisoners that are unwanted -like Gandalf was for the Orcs of Dol-Guldur- are usually not taken care of. I see no point for saying "how long was Gandalf in this cage? What if he has to pee? Does he get any food at all?" This is a taste of the mere bashing Cinemasins does most of the time. 2:31: Not true. The angle was right for him to notice where Thorin was, as they have shown the chamber full of gold some frames ago. Besides, he wanted to look for his uncle and see why Bilbo was telling them to leave. 2:40: Here, Thorin was already sick with dragon sickness and it's completely understandable that he could have been rambling words randomly about the treasure for a long while. Bilbo says he has been like that for days, so I don't think there's a sin here. 2:42: That scene was not to assure the audience that Bilbo has the Arkenstone, but to show a flashback of Smaug words about his desire to let Bilbo take the Arkenstone so he could watch how it drove Thorin mad. The scene was fine and is another proof of mere bashing. 2:52: It's understandable that you don't like Alfred's character, or that you do but despise him as a person -which imo was what they intended to provoke- but what I don't understand is why there can't be racist or misoginist lines in movies anymore. What is the problem with that? Like there weren't any racist or misoginist people in the world (rolls eyes). 3:03: Bard's knows the story about Smaug and how he killed the people of Dale and of many other towns and villages. He knows about how he stole every piece of value he could gather until he formed the treasure we see inside Erebor. Every Lake Town citizen knows the story. Many have died to pile up that treasure, so it's understandable why Bard says the treasure is "cursed" and that they will take only "what was promised to them". 3:19: Sauron can't kill Gandalf just like that. In fact, I don't think he is allowed to do that at all. Gandalf is a Maia, one of the Demi-Gods in Tolkien's lore that was given life to bring about balance to Middle-Earth. Such as Gandalf is not allowed to fight against Sauron, Sauron is not allowed to kill him without consequence. 3:43: This was very disrespectful to Tolkien's fans. The mention of the "Lord of the Rings masturbation poem" wasn't funny at all. Mere bashing once again, keep it up Cinemasins. 3:54: First of all, the Ringwraiths are regaining their physical form, so this is why they can appear and disappear like ghosts. Second, if there is anyone alive to fight the Ringwraiths and beat them, these are indeed Saruman and Elrond. Saruman is the most powerful of the order of the Istari and Elrond is one of the most powerful Elf warriors left, survivor of the Battle of the Last Alliance. This things are part of Tolkien's lore. 4:08: Dead wrong, nothing was made stupid by Sauron showing his eye form. He was in fact regaining his strength, and all he needed to be complete again was the One Ring. When Galadriel defeated him, he was thrown back in terms of the power he had gathered and so he lost the form of a man. Galadriel made this possible when she said he was "formless" and "nameless" and sent him back to Mordor. 4:45: Completely wrong again. It is Cinemasins who did not watch the movies closely, not Peter Jackson. Saruman never says -not once- that he knows about the location of the ring of power. He indeed knows its connection to Sauron, as do all, but he does not know where the ring is at the moment. And the huge mistake here is to think that when Gandalf is given the ring by Bilbo in the FOTR, he already knew it was the One Ring. Wrong. That is not the case, which is why he had to go searching for clues to see if that ring was in fact the One Ring. Also, we can't forget that in the FOTR Saruman was already evil, so why should he tell Gandalf about the ring or of his alliance with Sauron? No sin here. 5:06: Again, things do not work in Middle-Earth as in our own Earth. In end of the Third Age, which is where we are standing now, the Elves have lost much of their ancient power for having being so far from the Undying Lands. Plus, the ring of power she bears had limited power and it is almost spent by the time she confronts Sauron. So it is a no brainer really that she could not be involved in the War of the Ring much more than she already has. 5:55: Mere bashing again. It is obvious that five armies will appear on screen so I don't see the point on ranting over Bard telling Thranduil that he also has a claim upon the riches of the mountain. He does have one in the book as well. 6:10: No point in here either. The stairs were not big at all to justify the rant about the Dwarves going up and reaching the wall. 6:50: This shows precisely what this video is about. The author of the video knows nothing about Middle-Earth and he shows that by saying "sounds important! too bad I don't know what it means". Not only did he not hear what did Legolas say about Gundabad, but also he did not pay attention to the discussion that Gandalf, Thranduil and Bard had, where the plan the Orcs had was carefully explained by Gandalf. 7:25: It is precisely what happens with most foul creatures when they are faced with Sauron: they obey. Also, and for the record, animals in Middle-Earth are far more intelligent than in our world, and if you know how to communicate with them you can get them to do what you want. Therefore, it's completely understandable that the were-worms obeyed Sauron's orders. 7:45: There were three different groups of different races fighting for the riches of the Mountain since the beginning of the movies... I think Gandalf is right in telling Bilbo that dragon sickness would seem to be affecting the hearts of all who come near the Mountain. 7:55: Gandalf had intercepted a message that said a ransom would be paid for killing Thorin. Since then, he was suspicious about the Orcs having a plot to kill him and immediately thought about the riches inside the Mountain and that it was Thorin's birth right to claim it. Also, this scene comes from the Appendixes to the ROTK, and it was done almost exactly to what Tolkien wanted it to be. Moreover, the author of this video is forgetting that the whole point of the journey was not KILLING Smaug but to steal the Arkenstone from him and restore Thorin's claim upon the Mountain. Thus, the Elves, the Men and everyone would help him to kill the dragon once he had the Arkenstone in his possession. Apart from these things I mentioned and the ones you already pointed out in your post, there are many other "sins" that were also not the case. Imo, the critical approach of this video comes from both not being in touch with the source material and not liking the movies. But seriously, lots of things had no point whatsoever even if you hadn't read the source materials.

[@valkyria20chronicles]

Vrotdogi Pronin's Home of Suicide and Depression I just want to point out to you people that this video was sarcasm. It was all a joke. That was the point.So you sadly wasted your time correcting something that was not meant seriously to begin with.....

[@TheJamesAnimations]

MortenStorvik well he is legitimately pointing out what he thought were errors and I was correcting him

[@valkyria20chronicles]

Vrotdogi Pronin's Home of Suicide and Depression I only heard sarcasm throughout the whole thing. And i hope i heard right cuz no one would be this stupid..... i hope.

[@elijahcaudle7365]

Beautiful. Cinemasins is after my own heart.

[@annakuch9108]

Well, some of the sins get explained in the extended edition for example sin 93, you can see that dain brought them and also how fili kili dwalin and thorin get them

[@Craider79]

ACTUALLY - you got a sin wrong there chums... There are PLENTY of evidence that Legolas and Aragorn knows each other - and Aragorn is not only chummy with Legolas, but also some of the other elves - like Haldir and Elrond... You did however miss like 1700 other actual sins in this movie! LOL

[@annadewen2438]

Ssshhh dont tell him!! :D

[@Craider79]

Creative Cat Did I get something wrong in my statement, or are you telling me not to upset the smooth silky voice? :-D LOL

[@annadewen2438]

+Henrik Lahn Andersen no don't tell him he missed out some sins the reissue will be 5 hours long 😂😂

[@Craider79]

Creative Cat HAHAHAHA ikr... One of my friends is a GIANT nerd... where i'm only a big nerd (yeesss insert fat jokes here) ... and he bet me what amounts to around 150$ against me spending the time with him looking for it (as in i didn't bet any money) that he could show me ATLEAST 100 instances where they broke the rules of gravity in the 3 movies... We only needed to watch this one though ... 154 ... in 154 damn places in this ONE part of the hobbit "trilogy" they IRREFUTABLY break the laws of gravity... and there are plenty more "errrhmmmm" moments related to atleast bending the laws of gravity... He then wanted to double the bet that he could find 500 places in the trilogy where they broke the laws of physics - excluding the gravity once we had already found... and i POLITELY said "Fuck no! I'm not spending any more time on these shitty movies!!!!" LOL

[@annadewen2438]

+Henrik Lahn Andersen I love the movies but the amount of flaws its kinda unbelievable

[@blacktemplar9499]

"ride north find tbe dunedain" the dunedain are west of the mountain

[@mustafaassady6502]

My thoughts exactly. Kinda South West, since Erebor is too far up north.

[@hassanr4420]

At the time of the hobbit the dunedain were much further afield in every direction. It’s explained in the later parts of the Silmarillion. But summat to do with they had more power but then in LOTR Gandalf asked them to basically defend the Shire regions and also they were pushed back

[@blacktemplar9499]

Bugzy erebor itself I quite far north already, even if they were pushed back they did not go into angmar Wich was right above eriador It's almost impossible to go more north unless you are in the snowy region (forgot the name)

[@themanhimself3117]

Forodwaith

[@shirewastaken]

There were lots of denedain in angmar though, maybe he implied that?

[@kozotorul1843]

Aragorn is from a type of human in lotr universe who's ancestors are half elf half human so aragorn was indeed circa 80 y/o in the first lotr movie, that's not a plot hole actually.

[@DragonbIaze052]

I think he was canonically like 12 at the time?

[@miguelortiz3836]

Where in this movies is that stated? I've read the books, including the Hobbit and the Silmarilion and love the story and the universe but the movies have a whole lot of holes that couldn't be addressed either because they didn't want to o hadn't enough time to but that is the movie's problem. They are ment to stand on their own at least logically and not require the audience have read 2 to 5 books to get everything presented. Also, although the nod is for Aragorn, they could have been referring to Arathorn and it would still make sense.

[@kozotorul1843]

@@miguelortiz3836 Éowyn asks Aragorn about it in the director's edition. His age is addressed in the movies too.

[@miguelortiz3836]

@@kozotorul1843 You are right about the director's edition but I don't remember it being addressed in other part (I'm not being confrontational, I'm genuinely curious). I remember Elrond talking to Arwen that he will die and she will remain but I don't recall ages being addressed.

[@eatmedrinkme9628]

@@miguelortiz3836 they do touch on it during a interaction between Aragorn and Eowyn (the extended Two Towers) when she asks how could he have served with her grandfather, she didn’t think it was possible because he’s too young. He reveals that he is in fact 87 but still appears in the prime of his life, that is because he is of Royal Numenorean decent.

[@gabriellealtman]

Aragorn is of the line of Numenor, who are almost immortal and live really long. He's in his 80s in LOTR. Additionally, he was raised by Elrond and possibly other elves, which is why he speaks elvish so well. He and Legolas explicitly know each other already, they've been friends for years.

[@BBALLB3AST32]

This movie was AWFUL! They turned into just another hollywood flick with bullshit storylines and cheesy awful acting! Never been more disappointed!!

[@cranberry2490]

***** Martin Freeman actually does a very good job in this movies.. thats why it is so insulting that he is shoved aside in this movie, and you only see him for like a fraction of the movie.

[@lovliken9897]

***** the end credit music was good, Sir Ian and Martin did a solid job, and the fight scene with azog on ice was perfectly shot. Not a good movie, but I would not call it awful

[@Goraka91]

Sindre Haram But look at this cool special effect that doesn't look as good as the ones in Return of the King! Whoo!

[@Goraka91]

***** Perhaps the fps is also a factor.

[@heIIy]

Code Talker tbh he probably wouldn't have been, actually.

[@dragonband9749]

1:26 this is the one time that I don't agree with the fact that the enemy should just kill them already. Smaug has no reason to expect any opposition other than the typical attempt with a normal arrow, and is just enjoying terrifying the foe as dragons do.

[@obi-wankenobi1045]

Pretty much like he said: "no one can stand against me"

[@JR-ju3kj]

@@obi-wankenobi1045 Interesting that you have the name Obi-Wan Kenobi. I recall in Star Wars:The Empire Strikes Back, how when Luke Skywalker told Yoda that he didn't believe in what he was seeing with his own eyes in witnessing Yoda lift the ship out of the swamp using the force and Yoda told him that that was why he failed. Well, when Smaug gloated that no one could stand against him, that was exactly why he was killed and defeated. Smaug's ego is one of his defining characteristics and that ego and that hubris-which you can just hear dripping from his every word, is ultimately what led to his downfall and death. I'm not a religious person but it it really is true that pride goes before a fall(which is a phrase adopted from a verse in The Bible). Never underestimate someone and Smaug underestimated Bard The Bowman and assumed that no mere puny human could possibly stand against him and instead of just dispatching Bard and his son quickly and with haste by incinerating them with his dragon fire, he just continued bragging and gloating and in doing so, gave Bard enough time to set up everything he would need to fire the black arrow and kill Smaug. I think the narrator of Cinema Sins missed the point of why Smaug was defeated and killed and why he didn't just kill Bard right away-as I said it before, it's because of Smaug's arrogance. Smaug knew what he was capable of but never stopped to even consider the possibility of what others might be capable of, as well and he didn't stop to consider the possibility that what he clearly saw as a lesser being, could kill him. I have an idea for some fantasy graphic novels/comics that I want to write and I'm going to have a evil villainous powerful dragon-who like Smaug can talk and is intelligent but unlike Smaug, I'm not going to have the dragon be so pompous and full of himself that he underestimates enemies and talks too much. But going back to Cinema Sins, I'm surprised that the narrator didn't deduce why Smaug didn't just kill Bard right away and just kept bragging and talking too much, as soon as I saw the movie, I understood why Smaug didn't just kill Bard and the son right away.

[@JR-ju3kj]

And also, it's important to note that Smaug has a big mouth-and I mean that both metaphorically as well as literally. He's an arrogant, narcissistic, greedy psychopath who just happens to be a dragon and as intelligent, sophisticated and eloquent as Smaug is, he's still a monster, a brute and a thug-a scaly thug, if you will. It wasn't just that Smaug had no reason to expect any opposition other than the typical attempt with a normal arrow, I think another reason why Smaug kept talking and bragging and gloating instead of just shutting up and killing Bard and his son is because he's supremely arrogant and Smaug's arrogance and hubris, is ultimately, what led to his being killed. Smaug did what you should never do and underestimated his enemy, he clearly saw humans as lesser and as beneath him and he couldn't even conceive of the faintest possibility that Bard could even harm him, much less kill him. The narrator from Cinema Sins does have a point, if Smaug hadn't wasted any time running his mouth and just killed them, already, he himself, wouldn't have been killed. But because of how full of himself the dragon is he, he wasted valuable time bragging, gloating and taunting and threatening Bard and thus, bought Bard enough time to kill him. I like to say that it isn't just Bard and the black arrow that got Smaug killed but it was his ego, as well(and I'm sure Peter Jackson and the his crew thought of that, too). Pride goes before a fall.

[@noahfountain7037]

@@JR-ju3kj Geez dude, that's a huge wall of text. As much as a want to read it, I can't

[@WonderWeezul]

@@noahfountain7037 and that's with both comments being edited :o

[@blueklingenpeitschling748]

Thranduil asked the dwarfs to make the gems for his wife Evrani. But she died in the mean time and he never dared to get them from the dragon. That’s why they’re are in the Lonely Mountain and why he wants them absolutely back.

[@Hydra2054]

"Here's Smaug, pissed off at the dwarves, taking everything out on the townspeople of Laketown for some reason." First, smaug found out that the dwarves and lakemen were helping each other out at the end of the last movie, second, smaug was humiliated when they covered him in molten gold so he went to kill the laketown citizens so they could experience what their "revenge" plan did to so many innocent lives, so this sin should have been removed since smaug burning the entirety of laketown was explained as said before hand in the last movie.

[@grantc61]

You need to ask yourself why you care.

[@agatakozior9907]

I mean Gandalf knew about the ring of power, he just didn't knew it was the Bilbo's ring. He only suspected it so he had to do the research.

[@bermby]

He technically didn't know what the ring was, that's why he spent 10 years before sending Frodo to Rivendell searching around Middle Earth.

[@barrylyndon5552]

Like he said 'there's a shitload of magic rings'

[@VaiderGaming]

all he had to do was be like can i see the ring bilbo and he woulda known lol

[@tsopmocful1958]

Yeah...but no. This trilogy was a complete insult to all the literature, the LOTR movie trilogy and anyone who liked those things.

[@logurtte]

Don't bother defending it

[@CarlXVIGustafBernadotte420]

The Hobbit trilogy is LOTRs star wars prequels, a huge pile of shit

[@diegobracho4963]

Amen to that

[@NightDany16]

Badabada dabadaba Actually... Yeah... They are... They are a prequel, and a trilogy... So yeah.

[@gabrielrangel956]

No, the Star Wars' prequel are way, but way, better. The book is good though, Jackson is the only one to blame here really.

[@shropshirec]

Badabada dabadaba At least they didn't involve too many lengthy diplomatic talks like Episode II. And you have to admit, the scene where Bilbo meets Gollum is easily the best part of this trilogy, as well as the only part that matters in the long run.

[@ribby9069]

Badabada dabadaba It's worse than the prequels. Much much worse. Darth Maul was cool. Ja Ja Binks would fit really well in this series

[@zebfirehd9102]

You can't expect me to believe that Thorin died to azog if he falls into a freezing river not to mention water and be able to pull himself out while he's in heavy armor there's no way he be able to continue fighting since he be way too cold to fight. He would be off-balance trying to warm up from the cold and he the fact that he shows no signs at all that hes even wet is so unbelievable. So Thorin still alive unless there's another orc around to kill him because azog did not win that fight.

[@jakobragnwaldh8368]

Audience: is there any movie that has absolutely no sins? CinemaSins: NO.

[@_CherrySmiles_]

to be fair with the amount of prep time peter jackson had when making these movies when compared to the lord of the rings, these movies could have been a lot worse.

[@Da_Vincis_Daughter]

Carcinogen Curator Jackson actually said he wasn't happy with the hobbit movies because he didn't have the time to so all the amazing Peter Jackson stuff he had for the LotR trilogy.... which he had like 5+ years of preparing compared to the like 1 year or so for each of these?

[@dylanbailey8464]

To be fair, he turned one book into three movies, the original LotR trilogy was one movie to a book. Maybe they would have been better if Peter didn't pad them out with so much unnecessary BS and focused on the stuff that was actually in the god damn book.

[@robbybobby4373]

Maybe the Hobbit movies would've been better if they stayed as just two movies like he originally planned. I think Smaug should've been the climax of the story. At least for the movies.

[@mrduck6720]

@@robbybobby4373 Well note that the original Battle for the Five Armies was...quite lame. It came all out of a sudden and few pages later, oh wait Thorin is dead. It *might* work in book form, but in a film format, you need a proper build up to a battle that is supposed to 'end it all', a meaning so to speak. Otherwise, it would seem quite lackluster and rushed. The Hobbit films built it up perfectly imo and I was satisfied. Plus, remember that Warner Bros. wanted to milk this shit.

[@federation2169]

Ye but the LOTR trilogy came out in consecutive years sooo

[@SiriusMined]

Aragorn was 10 when Thorin's company reached Rivendell

[@infumiinations1311]

No, he was older

[@pursuing222]

Infumii Nations actually he would have been pretty young. Sure 60 years till the beginning of fellowship but in the book Frodo has the ring for something like 20 years before he sets out on his adventure.

[@MisterCarrotify]

pursuing222 You are correct.

[@SiriusMined]

Infumii Nations Nope. 10 tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Timeline_of_Aragorn

[@SiriusMined]

EresirThe1st then the film is wrong

[@magnoliawaterfalls5592]

I’m kinda mad at Jeremy for not removing a sin when Bombur blows the horn of Erebor. It’s such an awesome sound and such a good sene

[@little_reno3946]

Lee pace is god thank you for removing a sin for his amazing rendition of Thranduil

[@graslund42]

5:35 the elves gave those jewels to the dwarves before the dwarves became mad

[@graslund42]

graslund viggo while they still lived in the mountain

[@XxCoolie99xX]

graslund viggo But that isn't explained in the movie..

[@TheMleouf]

XxCoolie99xX First film... We see it...

[@XxCoolie99xX]

Mleouf in the extended edition

[@TheMleouf]

nope... The short one.

[@RadioactiveLobster]

The inner Tolkien nerd in me wants to scream lore at this but the CinemaSins fan in me is cheering because Jackson did some stupid stuff with the movie.

[@LawffleCopter]

***** Besides, screaming lore at this is irrelevant because the main point of this channel is to point out how bad movies are as movies. There are tons of great movies based off their book counterparts that aren't terrible and cliche'd to all hell. This is just one of those movies that no matter how much of it is lore and the book describes so much more about those damned Eagles, it's still a terrible, awful movie series from The Hobbit.

[@gearwhizz]

***** Personally I had a little loregasm when the bearers of the 3 took on the 9, but I can see it being sinful as the trilogy does very little to explain what's happening

[@RadieschenVonOben]

+ReadActiveLobster I know! +LawffleCopter Normally id agree, but here the lore doesen't help the film by explaining stuff they were just too lazy to put in the film, it makes it even worst! I don't even recognize middle earth, everything goes, nothing has real consequences, weird colours, strange creatures and don't even get me started on lake-town! It looks like venice meets pirates of the carribean! I hate hate hate the look of lake-town AND its inahbitants! God, i don't even mind the were-worms as much as lake-town. Middle earth exsits LONG BEFORE this specific fashion, why would jackson dress them like that! He got it so right with LotR! But, well there were specific details mentioned about fashion and design of the different cultures in the LotR books. I think the books are important here, because jackson mocks them by completly ignoring the logical frame they offer!

[@nedandtheneedlefishvevo575]

We’re those ravens just staring at Smaug and the mountain for decades until he dies? Middle-Earth has no shortage of mountains, yet they need THAT one?

[@teamarie4172]

I don't care how long ago this was uploaded, 16:44 makes me laugh every time