They Completely Ruined Steven Universe

[@themightygatekeeperdefende9755]

So that last episode is like when you’re writing a paper in middle school. You have a great hook, your body paragraphs are amazing... but then you realize that you have 5 minutes left until you have to hand it in, so the closing statement is just “So in conclusion this is why this happens.”

[@june9292]

True, but at the end of the day, they're just a student that tried their best to finish an assignment that had a time limit. That can't be the same for SU. They're adults that get paid to do a good job in writing a good story, but they didn't do that right. This was supposed to be a TEAM of writers. They had so much time to write a good story and took even more time with all their hiatuses.

[@alexm2369]

cant even be like that as the main antagonist was never really introduced at all

[@etam8099]

@@alexm2369 LOL FR...such shitty writing

[@discountchocolate4577]

That essay also had a _ridiculous_ amount of unnecessary filler that would have allowed the student more time to write a satisfying conclusion.

[@Nofelas]

Yeah, and in the Steven universe movie was the same.

[@TypetwoAbsolute]

I loved in empire strikes back when vader joined the rebels and then Luke told the emperor "you know you don't HAVE to be a sith" and palpatine got blushy and cried

[@kingapollo886]

TypetwoAbsolute this is such an underrated comment

[@MrGamernova]

Goku: You don't have to be evil. Frieza: Since you've been such a good boy you can just leave.

[@flambyyy481]

My personal favorite scene was when obi-wan said to darth maul that being evil is bad and darth maul became good.

[@MrGamernova]

Kratos: I'm a mortal, what's your excuse? Zeus: (Blushes & cries)

[@rosesongoku6980]

Kinda reminds me of that one moment in Paper Mario TTYD where Bowser gets beaten by Mario but then Mario gives a huge speech about feelings and the power of friendship and gives Bowser a hand, then they all join together and the Shadow Queen emerges, but Mario uses the Crystal Stars to show her the power of love and she immediately stops spreading darkness and she and the dragons she owned all go and live in Poshley Heights, completely redeemed. Also reminds me of Super Paper Mario where Dimentio is convinced to stop destroying the multiverse by Peach giving him a kiss.

[@teavran]

White Diamond's entrance was so cool, her voice, her calmness, the way she just talks over Steven. And then Change your mind decided she's not it anymore

[@brianisme6498]

Exactly. The diamonds are practically war criminals, killing thousands of life forms across the universe to expand their empire. They should’ve shattered the diamonds honestly. Blue diamond and yellow diamonds redemptions I can see happening overtime, but not white diamond. She’s to self centred and psychopathic to just suddenly change her mind.

[@ReblazeGaming]

@@brianisme6498 Blue and Yellow should’ve been shattered too, they all took part in it

[@WestonEvans]

Very cool character design. There’s just something inherently frightening about her, it’s uncanny. The closest thing I have to compare it to is “have you seen this man in your dreams?”

[@darktechreaper4648]

I mean it changes on who is leading the episode storyboard, as there was a conflict on how the diamonds should act

[@mistermoon9305]

I thought she was terrifying before the pink shit, would’ve been cooler if it ended with white fuckin dying or something

[@azul1458]

Garnet even said to steven that "not all gems can be saved" but Steven did the exact opposite and saved everyone, even who didn't deserve it

[@queenperrytheplatypus458]

Or those who didn't want it until Rebecca forced them to want it

[@mrvespuccia.k.ameganite1747]

Honestly that would’ve been a good character arc for Steven, learning that there are some people that can’t be saved or don’t deserve it.

[@queenperrytheplatypus458]

@@mrvespuccia.k.ameganite1747 They did that in Steven Universe Future, but they did that essay to late. That’s something he and the audience should’ve experienced when he was still 14

[@jffry890]

They did the same asspull in Last Airbender. Literally everyone telling Aang he has no choice but to take the life of the Firelord but then the magical bullshit turtle granted him the power to steal people's bending. God forbid characters are forced to violate their morals in order to accomplish their goals.

[@littleblueclovers]

@@jffry890At least he was able to steal his bending. What this show did have have the Fire lord go “aw geez, my bad. I guess I’ll stop cuz you asked nicely 🥺” and then decided to just live with Aang or something

[@catharinrin]

“fusion should’ve come from an emotional breakthrough in their relationship” gets me thinking of what steven and pearls fusion could’ve been. like the moment she no longer sees him as rose or whatever would’ve been big emotional catharsis

[@claudiabortey4789]

I know! There were so many good episodes where they could've started this development. Steven and Pearl had so many moments in the show that could've built their relationship to the point where they could've fused before the finale. Better yet, they could've waited for suf with that episode with Volleyball to make a pivotal point in their relationship and for them to fuse. But no, they had to throw it in😫

[@TheFloodFourm]

This show writes itself sometimes these concepts are so great I don't know what happened.

[@boppintoad2462]

Writers: haha dance time

[@mistermoon9305]

I feel like the series was hugely rushed because Cartoon Network fucking it up

[@tacticstories7159]

I can even tell you the exact moment it should have happened. In future, when they were playing Steven tag. Pearl used shape shifting for the first time since Rose. And the whole point of the episode is that Steven is growing up and isn't just a child anymore, while pearl learned to let get past her trauma. Pearl the smart, responsible gem that she is, would totally respect him for his maturing growth and shape shifted into his current form. Now add a big proud of you emotional, appreciating hug and BAM! 2.0 is born. And while you're at it, you even have an excuse for a second sugilite battle, but this time showing that sugilite is also in control, because Amethyst has also grown. And it's still Steven tag.

[@frauleinzuckerguss1906]

Peridot's redemption arc was the only real redemption arc as opposed to redemption episodes. It _was_ pretty great though. I can see why she's a fan favorite.

[@cosmicspacething3474]

Her, and Lapis

[@spider1266]

@@cosmicspacething3474 yeah but to be fair Lapis was never really a villain

[@johnloverman]

and Jasper never got a redemption arc despite being the first villain Steven faced and Bismuth was bubbled and told to fck off because she was threatening Rose's plan to live out her dream of staying on earth and banging humans

[@missfortune404]

I liked bismuths redemption.

[@spider1266]

@@johnloverman that wasn't why

[@cookey6729]

Villain: Yes Steven: No Villain: No

[@marisafaith9975]

Three crystal gems Dangerous situations 👁️👄👁️Steven you're the only one who can do this.

[@noonebossesthegarnet2890]

Villain: Murder is good Steven: Murder is bad Villain: Understandable. Have a great day

[@unsubscribenow9052]

villain: i'm going to commit genocide steven: song villain: oh okay then i guess i won't

[@tablle]

Cuz it's more emotional than my little pony

[@victoroverangels]

Villian that can have a redemption arc: yes Steven: no [kills them] Villian: 👁👄👁

[@trashpanda3544]

Imagine the message this sent to kids. Imagine telling kids that the way to stand up to your bully is to just beg them to stop. Imagine teaching kids that they have to be friends with everyone otherwise they're not a good person. Bully: *pushes kid over* Kid : "bully no bullying" Bully: *snaps fingers* "aww man guess is have to stop"

[@Ultra_Ocelot]

By that logic you might as well run up to an active shooter and tell them shooting people sucks because thatll definitely get them to quit for good

[@HerohammerStudios]

That kind of mindset has definitely fucked me up a bunch if times growing up

[@go-go-rilla4405]

Oh my god it’s a story it’s not trying to teach anyone anything. If you were trapped in North Korea are you gonna go fight their leader?

[@rowan404]

I’m mentally young due to a developmental disability and Steven Universe is my favorite show, so reading this comment gave me a sinking feeling because I’m notorious for putting everyone else before myself, even bullies. One time, I even tried to make peace with a Nazi who I encountered online, and, when my mom asked why I would even talk to a Nazi, my reasoning was that, if Steven could redeem anyone, so could I. Just last night, I had an anxiety attack because someone was cyberbullying me, and my mom kept telling me to defend myself, even encouraging me to use swears, but I didn’t want to fight back in fear of escalating the situation. I really hate any sort of conflict, so, even if someone’s being mean to me, I usually just try to wait it out.

[@trashpanda3544]

@@go-go-rilla4405 if you followed this shows logic you should just go up to Kim Jong-un and tell him he's a smelly meany and he should stop being a dictator. If you want to try that be my guest but that's a one way ticket into a gulag.

[@mystic2249]

“You’ve ruined the ruins!”, is the best line to sum up the fans who gave up on the show

[@noonebossesthegarnet2890]

Lmaoooo I loved that part

[@Palladiumavoid]

Oh no

[@nanami_akumudeadchannel7115]

*I am the 900th like-* *>:D*

[@tingpingchilling]

@@Palladiumavoid lol, hi sans

[@tralvexxo5607]

I’m a fan that gave up on this show once the diamonds turned good, then it just got super weird and bad

[@Glisten456]

Imagine telling Hitler’s top generals, “Hey, Nazi’s suck”, the general suddenly becomes a hippie, and Hitler becomes German Bob Ross. That’s the Diamond/Steven conflict in a nutshell

[@jewishiceberg7714]

I'd watch his show.

[@YataTheFifteenth]

"HAHAHA I VILL LAUNCH BOMBS UND ONLY ZE ARYANS SURVIVE" "But that bad tho" "Fick you got me zhere"

[@raspberrycrowns9494]

It's funny because Blue's and Yellow's redemption arc was literally the same excuses nazis used during the Nuremberg trials, "oh we didn't really want to do it we were only following orders from our higher ups" Except in real life Hitler had already killed himself so there was no way they'd have punish him but here White Diamond is alive and well so just freaking shatter her already

[@themanx6019]

thats far away from what happend. Steven literally made them realize what they were doing as in the blue one, he reminded her that shes only doing the same thing that she did before and made her believe that is why pink left. In the yellow diamond one she realized that making her empire perfect isnt a good thing to do. Then we find out that they both were afraid of white diamond all along and thats why they were acting that way, the white diamond one was bad but the reason that it was so easy was because she got proved that pink diamond isnt there and hes her son or i really cant explain the white diamond one but the thing is that they were approving the fusion inside the gem as shown in pearls gem that there was a pearl there.

[@eagletgriff]

@@jewishiceberg7714 you alr did

[@betaabe3961]

Peridot: A single home world gem gets an entire redemption arc White diamond: the actual end game character. Appears in 2 episodes and gets redeemed because Steven pulled an UNO reverse card.

[@zoe-ou3xn]

Very epic 🗿

[@Axel23410]

Honestly. I would have prefer peridot to not have any redemption arc at all. She was such an awesome character before they decided to turn her into a cringy, forgetable, ridiculous, annoying midget.

[@Axel23410]

@Selim Sultan Akbar oh, OK. Why tho ?

[@L-eye-t]

@Selim Sultan Akbar Now that's what I call acting like a child.

[@cutepinkyo]

Yeah I was so sad we didn't know a lot about her... Like whyyy... Wasn't she supposed to be the boss of the show?

[@sofiaibarra6807]

I think the story would have been better if the diamonds hadn’t been space nazis. Then the story is just about family conflict which is what they seemed to be going for and it makes sense why they could forgive them

[@salahabdalla368]

I wont call them Nazis The way they see it Organic life to them is like insects/animals to humans and they are doing what every empire does, Expand and conquer, they were still dictators tho

[@kagato23]

No that was fine. The problem is that they let the space nazis just be family. The Empire has committed how many atrocities, actual genocides, but hey, Steven used to be pink, that changes everything except it doesn’t.

[@RickJaeger]

Not to mention, it's too late by that point. They've done way too much set-up by that stage of the story. It would have necessitated a total reimagining of the entire show to eliminate Space Nazism from the Gempire.

[@bmprimer7809]

i've only seen the movie and the songs so it's likely that i just haven't seen it, but how were they space nazis?

[@langustajableczna]

@@bmprimer7809 god, thats so lazy. Why can't you just read about it on wiki or something? Why do people do this, makes you seem braindead

[@dio6271]

I want to see Steven’s pacifist ideals challenged, I want to see a villain who doesn’t WANT to be good

[@dilophosaurussk4333]

Yep, someone like classic Maleficent, or first stage Loki would be a cool villain.

[@rjd-kh8et]

Well, there was Bluebird in Future, but she's barely even a threat.

[@nablis7287]

Say no more

[@l0sts0ul89]

A villain who is pure evil , they don’t care , all want is chaos and destruction. Steven only has one choice , to shatter them or they’ll just destroy everything he cares about.

[@nablis7287]

@@l0sts0ul89 I was discussing that with a friend while watching the SU movie at his house

[@belinskiparadox7687]

"Hello I am space Hitler" "Stop that" "Ah you're right, sorry"

[@martinmaxwell3508]

Lol

[@boreduser6087]

Basically

[@lylasaur6694]

If only

[@apex5826]

lol

[@acr6854]

This is so accurate😂

[@danshakulawrence983]

Imagine if White Diamond, realizing she's imperfect, suddenly tries to destroy herself in an attempt to be rid of imperfection much like how the Diamond Authority operates, and it's up to the Crystal Gems to stop her. That's what I was expecting anyways when she lost it.

[@koolkat-hq5xc]

Thats a cool idea but I feel like suicide is little too heavy for this show idk

[@duckhugger7692]

@@koolkat-hq5xc they don't have to directly do suicide but they are serious topics that shows and movies are too afraid to talk about these days

[@manmoy4104]

Holy shit that's such a creative concept. A villain killing themselves after realising their mistake is actually a pretty good end

[@AngelCakes1997]

I mean, SU Future did have Steven attempt to murder White at one point, so suicide isn’t off the table.

[@The_Yoinker_Sploinker]

@@koolkat-hq5xc yeah i mean the kids but would be better

[@themusicalrider5299]

On the topic of Change Your Mind, can we mention how poorly they handled Lars? Like the only reason he returned was so they could say "LOOK! HE'S BACK!" and then did nothing more with him, except send him back to space in Future. There was so much chance to use the fact him and Lion were now the same to answer mysteries around Lion, or even around how the power could affect someone, but they just never even tried to make it meaningful

[@archaeopteryxxxxxx]

lars' character disappointed me SO much. They literally just killed him off so they wouldn't have to deal with him anymore. He literally just died an suddenly he is this whole new guy who gets to express his feelings and be himself :/

[@kagato23]

Lars died so they could make him a completely different character. Not grow him, he just changes.

[@jaybay5538]

Almost like this was a poorly made kids show pushing lesbianism lmao

[@yourladbrennen3130]

@jaybay5538 Lesbianism? M'lord, that's not even a word. The show was well made and thought out, as this video points out. They just cocked up the finale so badly that it kind of overshadowed the rest of the show. What could you possibly mean by "pushing lesbianism"?

[@jaybay5538]

@@yourladbrennen3130 Theyre lesbians and they push each other

[@Xav-ky9js]

*White diamond kills millions in a dictatorial society* Steven : Hey that's bad White diamond : oh okay i'm sorry lets be friends

[@federalcasemaker]

Isn't that basically JJBA

[@dragossarbu6556]

@@federalcasemaker What?

[@federalcasemaker]

@@dragossarbu6556 JoJo

[@dragossarbu6556]

@@federalcasemaker No, I mean how is WD's "redemption" anything like JJBA?

[@deft4184]

Scary Hat JoJo’s villains are either dead or retired you know.

[@lotusthemermaid]

The worst crime these writers committed was not referring to the Gem Empire as the Gempire. Come on now.

[@annstrain660]

This man is a fucking megabrain genius. His brain is so large and glowing.

[@chrisposten9]

Okay, I didn't know this pissed me off until you mentioned that.

[@ferrallezz5246]

Bruh. I’m mad now.

[@kingalexanderiofyugoslavia1390]

To be fair the only writers are Rebecca Sugar and her boyfriend. They do NOT take advice

[@lotusthemermaid]

@@kingalexanderiofyugoslavia1390 It shows.

[@pumpkinylink]

I still feel like, somehow, the finale was supposed to be like a whole other season or two. It really did just feel like someone told them the show was being forced to end earlier than they planned, so they literally just had to go down a checklist of what needed to happen before it did.

[@dizzee6089]

Such a interesting premise. The final foe for steven universe is well... Steven universe and his inner conflicts. That's genuinely interesting and could be a fantastic closure to the show... but no. It was rushed and executed poorly. Darn

[@nathanbeals4583]

The show actually was canceled by CN. And I believe change your mind was supposed to be a whole other season. Sadly that’s not how it worked out

[@carlosthunder8262]

@@nathanbeals4583 Source?

[@mahliwowe]

They originally had nine seasons planned out

[@discountchocolate4577]

Maybe they would have had time for another season or two if they hadn't spent like _two seasons' worth of episodes_ on Beach City-related character-plots that usually had zero impact on the main story. Connie was the only human character outside of Steven's family who had a significant presence in the main plot thread throughout the series. Like...did we really need to waste an episode focusing on what was essentially a Grouptale fanfic with Steven and Onion? Was 5 or 6 Lars-centric episodes retroactively justified by making him a plot device to get Steven back on Earth, and who should have played a more important role in the final season given his association with the off-color gems? Did the Crewniverse _really_ need to waste an episode using Mayor Dewey's re-election to condescendingly reassure angry and betrayed Bernie supporters? Or a not-Thanksgiving episode hastily resolving a conflict between Steven and a previously-unseen racist uncle, almost as soon as he appears to try to reassure the audience that their own racist Trump-supporting uncle might be salvageable (which is only true some of the time)? Did the writers _really_ need to restrict the audience's perspective to events where Steven is present, or to use Steven being told a story as a framing device, in order to hide information and effectively present the story's mysteries? Was it worth giving up episode slots that might have been useful for developing other more important characters? The filler problem means most major conflicts are hastily resolved through some bullshit anti-climax and a ridiculous amount of hand-waving: Jasper disappears with Lapis into the ocean for a full season, only to be defeated by Alexandrite the moment they reappear as Malachite; the Cluster goes from a giant nuke ready to destroy Earth at any moment to being content with being trapped inside its core for millions of years after minutes of persuasion from Steven; and of course, there are the Diamonds. Imagine thinking you'd actually have 9 seasons for a proper plot _and_ a ridiculous amount of filler, to tell a story that only needs about 4 or 5 seasons to be satisfying. The absolute hubris.

[@mep5090]

Calm antagonists such as white diamond tend to be more creepy in my opinion like they could be in the middle of harming you or about to harm you but before or while doing it they acts like the calmest person in the world 😭

[@SebbyDoesStuff]

I saw Change Your Mind when I was much younger so I never really thought much of it and was just happy and excited seeing all of the cool, cliche elements like all the new fusions and white diamond, but now that I'm actually old enough to have an opinion I thought that White had the most potential out of anything in the show, only to end up being pretty bad.

[@Blurns]

“YOU'RE ACTING LIKE A CHILD!” *There was an entire episode about baby Steven & how Gems don't even know what children are*

[@mjangelvortex]

But they made a reference to the unaired pilot. That works, right? Eh? Eh? (White Diamond's rushed redemption hurts me too, man.)

[@livvy94]

Also somehow spinel knows the phrase "survived by her son"

[@gseptie]

vince94 that frustrated the hell outta me . at least w wd u could chalk it up to jus sum knowledge she obtained from bein like a fuckin god .

[@ethanwinters1469]

WHAT IS CONTINUITY IS IT SOMEKIND OF DISEASE?

[@tanith117]

Wait didn't they help raise Steven when he was born? Or did they leave it to Greg till he was 10?

[@betsyb]

Peridot: one of many servants of the Diamonds, merely a technician in the empire, has never killed anyone, very believable motivation. Slowly redeemed over the course of several episodes The Diamonds: literal dictators running an EVIL EMPIRE, have destroyed countless planets and countless lives, evil for the sake of power/control/“perfection”. Redeemed in one episode Makes sense

[@Voeris1]

Yeah if they were gonna do this, they should've toned down their ruthlessness since the beginning... I mean everyone is giddy giddy and dancing and talking with these three mass murderers? like...what? Also that motivation for being evil is weak and dumb AF... 🙄 What a mess. All this bothers me more than the "turning" of White Diamond. (granted I'm not a fan of the show but I've picked up what happens throughout it from youtube videos)

[@seg162]

Kevin: a jerky try-hard teenager. *Never redeemed.*

[@allencham9693]

It feels more like the diamonds haven't been completely redeemed for the past 2 years(between season 5 finale and the movie). It's more like they were humoring Steven so he can stay on Homeworld with them.

[@presidentraiden9203]

@@seg162 And that's why Fortnites Ninja is never getting a redemption arc.

[@johnfortnitetheraw]

i wouldn't say the diamonds redeemed themselves, more like they acted that way for steven to feel good

[@DwarvenRunes]

Lmfao the Diamonds being redeemed is like letting Ozai off the hook in Avatar: The Last Airbender. Just imagine if Aang was like “oh being evil is bad” and then Ozai, the genocidal war-monger, blushed and meekly agreed, and from that day on he always said please and thank you to his generals while drinking some nice jasmine tea, and was never held accountable for his war-crimes because he said he was sorry.

[@tyrkun1624]

LoL I made this joke once and SU stans told me to fuck off

[@bluenewt2006]

The diamonds aren't redeemed though.

[@DwarvenRunes]

Blue Newt True, they technically weren’t, because they never paid the price that their war crimes entailed. But the story treated them like they were emotionally redeemed, and encouraged the audience to think that because they had issues and were suddenly sorry, they were in the moral clear. “And suddenly, everything was fine.”

[@KazuhaEien]

Crazy Person I'm an SU fan and I really liked the joke

[@matthewy2j]

To be fair, Aang gave Ozai the opportunity to surrender which is in character, to which Ozai refused and attacked Aang while his back was turned which is in character for him.

[@johnmcauliffe8824]

It's very odd that the last line that changes white has to do with children as gems don't have children and have no concept of what being a child is like (as noted by Rose during that babysitting episode)

[@lpsamyrose]

That's literally what I think about every time I see that scene, she says he's acting like a child but like how tf does she even know what acting like a child is????

[@kukkahana3989]

@@lpsamyrose I like to think the closest thing they had to a child was pink, white threw a fit just like how pink threw a fit over not having a colony

[@consume_arsenic]

Maybe that's another term they use for newly emerged gems? They obviously still have some learning to do once they get out (as we saw from the flashback episode(s) in the kindergarten) so maybe they also act like children

[@DMOOSK]

Peridot: “It took me months to stop trying to kill Steven” Bismuth: “It took me about a day, day and a half?” White Diamond: “It took me about 10 minutes.”

[@JuanSolo9]

Literally seconds for Jasper.

[@bobisnotaperson]

Centipede beast: squak

[@lol-gv7ox]

@@JuanSolo9 I mean, like, for Jasper, it kind of makes sense, seeing as she gets her mind slammed all at once with knowledge bombs like "Hey, there's all the diamonds in this ONE AREA" and "Rose is Pink Diamond".

[@cheddarcheese2455]

jasper: you guys are getting redemption arcs?

[@lProN00bl]

Just be named Kevin and you'll never have to worry about a redemption arc.

[@brazenbull7]

The only thing I’ve ever seen of the finale is some art someone did of Steven being best friends with Hitler, and now I understand the comparison.

[@ecksspot8497]

hhHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[@Isokatmydydecsf]

"It's ok, guys. He says he is sorry !"

[@selka1661]

LMFAOOO

[@bartholomulesphensvil2284]

"But Steven, I have been saying please und thank you to inferior races" "Hitler, we talked about this" "Semitic-races"

[@spaghetti5914]

yikes lol

[@larrydaweasel3213]

Bad guy: im evil Steven: being evil is bad Bad guy: ok sorry im not evil anymore

[@sarzootashoota351]

Talk no jutsu strongest jutsu

[@samuelsanders4078]

Steven Universe in a nutshell

[@larrydaweasel3213]

@@starchild199x and thats a fact

[@larrydaweasel3213]

@@starchild199x rio

[@cutewooper]

Hey man I was gonna like your comment but it’s at 420 so I’m sure you understand

[@zorubark]

Since the Diamonds decided how the empire should be, they should have explained why they want the empire to be this way, break down their motives and GIVE THEM A FUCKING BACKSTORY OH MY GOD

[@salahabdalla368]

I mean it makes sense every empire tries to expand, through colonies etc Tho the ruling system being a monarchy/dictatorship should have been explained

[@MB32904]

@@salahabdalla368 technically it wasn't a monarchy, since they live forever & there's more than one of them ruling

[@Matt-pt2wi]

They probably were going to have a backstory, until CN pulled the plug on SU for having the wedding episode

[@MrGeorgeFlorcus]

@@salahabdalla368 Yeah, awkwardly enough, the "mon" in "monarchy" actually means something, I guess they would constitute a "Tetrarchy" or "Triarchy" after Pink Diamond's apparent death

[@toastialian]

I really like the show’s ending despite the clear flaws but god IF CN JUST GAVE IT TIME It would have probably been the best ending for the show if it actually got some time, but it had about three episodes of buildup, two of wich were for setup and lasted only 11 minutes At least TOW got three parts equally shared in screentime to build up to an ending, two hours to get to know everything and actually build up to a conclusion, while this gem of a show got 20 minutes of setup before going “ok, did you do all you needed to do for the ending? Don’t care” and force feeding a 45 minute climax that wasn’t enough to wrap up all the loose ends. THAT damaged the show and its reputation heavily

[@diabeticalien3584]

Until we actually MET HER, I got the impression that white was this totalitarian, absolute and pure force. Not like Yellow or Blue or Pink, she had an absolute personality. She should have stayed that way. She should have been this unchanging single personality that embodies the essence of the Gem Empire, which would have made the finale battle MUCH more interesting.

[@imveryangryitsnotbutter]

Better idea: She should have been literally Homeworld. Like Ego the Living Planet, her goal would be to terraform all planets in the universe into extensions of her 'perfect' self.

[@diabeticalien3584]

@@imveryangryitsnotbutter Yeah, that would have been SO MUCH better than what it turned out to be.

[@Shockguey]

That line "Did you get it all out of your system?" Was some straight up (spoilers) Brave New World + Toxic Femininity shit. As a hater it would have changed my mind if it had followed through. Shame though.

[@Sigismund697]

And it would tied to the fact that white diamonds are pure carbon while colored diamonds have impurities within their structure But no MUH FEELINGS THO

[@MaddJakd]

@@Shockguey Not really.... It fits perfectly with what we learned about Pink, and embodies the absolute, totalitarian, perfect/delusional mother figure that doesn't really pay attention to what her kids are actually going through. They should have kept her that way as a juxtaposition to Steven/Pink's intrigue and understanding nature.

[@Mr_Mimestamp]

The reason why I was so excited about White Diamond at the beginning of the final arc was because she seemed emotionless and different. She couldn’t be reasoned with, or at least needed to be dealt with differently. I GUESS NOT THOUGH

[@internisus]

I would argue that she *was* emotionless and indifferent and couldn't be reasoned with. The good guys failed, and *she took Steven's gem out,* which was absolutely horrifying. What changed her mind was seeing that she was completely wrong about him and therefore about Pink. She didn't just get persuaded by Steven to be good all of a sudden; she saw for herself who he was and realized that she was mistaken, and it put shame and confusion into her that broke down her flawless facade. I do understand why someone would feel that some elements of this ending are too quick or condensed compared to most of the series, but I think that moment of transformation with White is really good and a nicely earned climax for the entire show.

[@TheJadedJames]

I never thought White Diamond wasn’t going to be reasoned with. The show never comes down on the side of violence being the answer. One of the reasons I predicted the Rose = Pink thing is because that was the most straightforward way the entire conflict could be resolved peacefully

[@Yayofangamer16]

Implying this feminist propaganda show was good to begin with. Rebecca Sugar: *THANKS FOR THE MONEY, DUMMIES!*

[@lukecraver7966]

internisus I completely agree. Seeing that Pink was gone, that knowledge literally breaking the pedestal White was standing on, and her seeing her own imperfection in having some pink of her own, to her, being an off color, threw her off her balance and completely shifted her world view. Not to mention that Blue and Yellow, and a lot of Homeworld, was able to see this pink too, losing respect of White immediately. What use is a leader where all of their subjects despise them? There’s some reason White hasn’t been mind controlling everyone this whole time

[@google1030]

TheJadedJames idk. if they fight all the time and imply that millions of gems were ripped apart and their mutilated body parts were forced together and they are still hidden beneath the earth, that’s pretty violent to me, even if it doesn’t show it? They really human centipeded millions of gems but one moment of realising white herself isn’t perfect by her standards changes her whole world view? I don’t think so. White has sort of been portrayed as an abusive mother and someone with ideals that ingrained into them doesn’t just change so easily. Usually even when trying to change they will undergo periods of relapse, especially when angry, where they default to their old ways. And I don’t mean just not seeing all life as equal. I mean that smashed in half homeworld planet level.

[@nyom6378]

So the whole finale can be resumed into: I'm sad Don't be sad Okay, now I'm full of positivism

[@mohameddiarra9722]

Dani Luca Which is a blatant lie

[@sleepypodcaster]

how boomers think depression works lol

[@etam8099]

@@sleepypodcaster i'm so pissed about that

[@sleepypodcaster]

@@etam8099 eh theres not much you can do at this point. my dad still thinks my anxiety is just a normal thing everyone had ad im overestimating lol so i guess you just live to ignore it.

[@sleepsleep2]

I'm the 1k like

[@Xeno455]

The pink diamond twist shouldn't have been controversial. I was watching it with my girlfriend and literally called it back in season 2. As soon as Blue Diamond was revealed. Especially since Yellow was mentioned in season 1. I was like "Oh. There's 2 diamonds. But they couldn't stop a single quartz? Rose was probably a diamond herself and just didn't wanna be on homeworld since we see how much she love's Earth". But the payoff in S5 made it worth it.

[@ggundercover3681]

ok but I was shocked there was a controversy. I assumed everyone loved it, those who didn't see it coming and those who did. beucause it was set up well.

[@Monochrome2004]

im pretty sure that the main reason it was controversial was because it meant that rose now owned pearl and so pearl falling in love with rose was just a slave falling in love with her master and basically ruined most of pearl's character cuz it was unclear if anything she ever did in relation to rose was of her own free will anymore. aside from that point i dont think anyone had any other issue with the reveal, at least at that time

[@randomthoughts0829]

@@Monochrome2004 not only that, WOG straight up lied and said that rose quartz wasn't a diamonds. If anything, they should have just stayed silent

[@royalhistorian5109]

@@ggundercover3681 I think why people didn't like the Pink Diamond Twist is...well, her plan so it put lightly quite selfish and not well planned. The concept of her being Pink Diamond is fine but the execution leaves a lot to be desired especially the way they handle Pink Diamond herself. Honestly, if they flushed out Pink Diamond earlier, this plot twist would have been much more impactfully...like maybe get an episode that focused on Pink Diamond before her death with a couple of hints but then again...this show has a nasty habit of forcing Steven onto us.

[@Jeffrey18O]

That was a plot twist I saw coming around the time where pink diamond was brought up

[@darkpp7920]

Steven be putting his stat points in defense and charisma bruh.

[@muhamadariefrahmanhakim9166]

See this is why you maxed axii delusion to lvl 3

[@alienbeef-gravy493]

A little luck

[@nickdibbern4501]

@@muhamadariefrahmanhakim9166 p

[@zomb1v20]

@@nickdibbern4501 p

[@ToxicQueen2787]

And the power of asspull powers

[@anghel4]

Steven literally hates Kevin who is like just a cocky teenager, but these tyrannical space dictator? Nah they're a-ok.

[@leviathan8282]

He actually hates them too, it is shown in steven universe future

[@paen8547]

I agree with the comment above. He's Steven Universe, he feels the need to help and care about people who honestly don't deserve it, but that doesn't mean he liked them or wanted to be near them. For example, when Stevonnie and Kevin are racing he tells her that he's a jerk because his brother is dying in the hospital, and Stevonnie shows real concern about him before he tells her it was a joke, which really doesn't help her like him more.

[@notaraven]

It makes sense as a personality quirk, some people just doesn't rub eachother the right way. It would be cool to expand that thought and show what steven is pushed away by but sadly it's only Kevin. I don't really think citing steven universe future is fair as that came out later and actively worked to fix certain criticisms about the show. Hell they address the steven centric story telling others railed it on. Also he never showed any major disdain for the diamonds besides awkward discomfort until the end of future and by that point he was lashing out at everything and had them literally going into his brain guts. Not as visceral as Kevin got from just walking into the room.

[@leviathan8282]

@@notaraven he tried shattering white diamond

[@notaraven]

@@leviathan8282 that was again near the end where steven was emotionally unstable and she was poking around in his brain. It is understandable as to why he would lash out at her specifically, but steven through the movie and beginning episodes treated them like a guy trying to bail on a very clingy family. At least to me it doesn't really sells that he hates.

[@swordoftruth1014]

“They t-pose to show dominance”

[@theartgoose]

I lol at that😂

[@yashiro560]

Yeet Me : *T-poses*

[@vinillfaan8073]

@@yashiro560 Lmao

[@tayojb]

It shows dominance

[@imveryangryitsnotbutter]

They ᛠ-pose to show dominance.

[@Amegadeez]

The show had a really bizarre but wonderful music for like the lore related things, it was so nice.

[@Ocidad]

Steven's bizza- ok i'll stop

[@ggundercover3681]

I legit remember early in the show I downloaded those songs and would sing them over and over, even for my parents to hear. imagine them trying to figure out wtf giant woman was about. I still miss them. and the song love like you is still so gorgeous.

[@paulberstler8069]

Damn. World War II could have been completely avoided if someone would have just told Hitler to stop being a meany face.

[@BlitzDinkabooming]

Marmar Animates what

[@thebluefox9642]

Lol I was thinking this the whole video

[@hawkerhurricane7600]

Marmar Animates the memes never happened?

[@chuchip9633]

@@BlitzDinkabooming The human race was basically colonized by the gems and therefore stuff like wwii never happened

[@luisgregoriopadilla9553]

@@chuchip9633 they take away the fun things!

[@deletedaccount9250]

White diamond: YOU ARE JUST ACTING LIKE A CHILD Steven: -No you- *n ou* roll credits

[@nova_supreme8390]

It was super effective!

[@aff77141]

REVERSE CARD

[@TheMAM]

"If I could begin to be Half of how gay you can be"

[@ethanwinters1469]

Than they both got super pregnant and lived happily ever after

[@beastebeat4956]

wait how does she know what a child is

[@Marcedonia]

“Hello is this racism?” “Yeah what” “Stop being a poopy head” *we did it bois we ended racism*

[@qwandary]

Thank you, as a poc, this is an accurate representation of how we should handle racism!!1!

[@IntelligenceBuild]

@@qwandary The "1" in the exclamation points really sold that

[@Phoenix_Blader_93]

Now we need to solve world hunger

[@qwandary]

@@IntelligenceBuild pftt thanks.

[@littlesamu5920]

I rather die based than living woke

[@alucardthespy5539]

I hated how we never got an origin of the Diamonds. The gem species as a whole is interesting because it is completely manufactured, which leads me to believe that another race (sneople?) created them. I always wondered WHY the Gem Empire (Gempire?) was continously expanding in the first place? It's not like they NEED resources or they'll die. Unless they get damaged they're effectively immortal, so I don't know what all this conquering was to serve anyway.

[@enraikow6109]

Yeah, hitler also had no reason to kill those jews and start a war. I guess it's just psychotic people doing psychotic things.

[@tessfabled4115]

^^ This has always been my belief, that the Sneeple created at least White Diamond before some sort of event that meant they all had to hibernate or go into stasis or something, with the Gems meant to maintain/construct everything for it to be ready when they awoke again. Obviously the Gems became sentient at some point after and spiraled off course.

[@ashuraomega1000]

Future was supposed to give us an origin of the diamonds but for some reason they scrapped that concept and replaced it with another episode

[@guilhermef.cabral8252]

You know invincible?? I always imagined gem empire to be kid friendly viltrum They think they are superior and they think they are deserving of everything, and their point is pretty great because, what is there to stop them?

[@mastertofu]

The purpose of expanding their empire seems to be to propagate. They can't make more gems without taking the resources of other planets. The real question is why do they need to make more of themselves?

[@kirke_daydreams]

It's okay to be space hitler but it's not okay to be a teenage boy named Kevin.

[@segundovargas]

Danny Antonucci can vouch for that last one.

[@dr2brains_]

How dare Kevin be a bit sleazy! Right Miss. I murdered several planets and am basically Hitler?

[@ded8491]

Its a bitch name.

[@EnigmaEnginseer]

Shea Bolton it’s a terrible plot twist. And we can’t say it’s in character for here since we know virtually nothing about her. All we know is that she orchestrated genocide across entire planets and she’s all of a sudden forgiven. Stupid (not calling you stupid btw)

[@tylerulfmann4586]

Shea Bolton so we don’t pursue justice for literal victims of genocide because of the threat of death? isn’t blue and yellow only a bit below her in terms of power and we just let a genocidal maniac loose what’s the odds she just goes back to her old ways in like a year or two and surprise murders everyone from that crap argument Steven made

[@storba3860]

Fascist dictator gets insulted and responds by turning good. "Well boys we did it. Fascism is no more."

[@daianmoi8528]

It wasn’t about fascism, though, right? It was about a very relatable ideal of being perfect. Understanding that perfection shouldn’t be the goal will change your whole outlook on life.

[@storba3860]

@@daianmoi8528 But she was also a mass murderer. She almost wiped out humanity and killed millions of gems. Telling a serial killer he isn't perfect isn't necessarily going to change him.

[@daianmoi8528]

Storm base reviews You make a good point. But isn’t it more complicated than that? Pink didn’t think much of humans until she actually met them. Pink was also partially responsible for the war that killed gems. That doesn’t necessarily make Pink an “evil” person because people are more complicated than that. Also, Steven is family to White Diamond. He’s like her grandkid. I totally think the ending was rushed, but if they had more episodes to do it, I think they would have talked a lot more.

[@greymon3654]

@@daianmoi8528 Well honestly the problem is that the Diamonds never pay for Killing unknown number of gems, destroying countless Planets, etc. They just got slaps on the wrist & "be good speeches". They are basically 3 space Hitler's that turned good because of a Child's plea. There should have been a punishment for everything they've done.

[@greymon3654]

I personally hope we get a Season where all gems that were bubbled for no reason(Rose Quartzs') rebel or perhaps we see the reason the Diamonds are even making armies. Who are they fighting?

[@Hamantha]

Why isn't it called the Gempire?

[@AwkwardOddyssey]

Because that's fusion between two different words, which isn't aloud on homeworld.

[@liamniemann7236]

The Gem Reich

[@Hamantha]

Slippery Jim lol I think

[@gottesurteil3201]

Because the writers aren't clever.

[@dayswillburn777]

I thought the same thing lol

[@arthurbeckernascimento6249]

I like the ideia of how white diamond turned "good", like, she was so convinced of her own perfection and that her way was the only way that Steven just by existing shatters everything she believes in, she breaks. But yeah the execution was indeed rushed because cartoon network CANCELLED THE SHOW because of reunited

[@thetoadwalker3010]

I would agree with this, but this show was never good at pacing out this story. Think about the crazy slow build (especially if you were watching it as they came out with the giant hiatuses) then lightening fast ending to the cluster arc. Even in the movie the pacing was a huge problem, especially at the end but there was also a lot of bloat in the beginning. The same thing happened in the last season of SU, except on 1000% speed and I imagine this pacing issue would have only been slightly less egregious had they been given another season or two to round the series out.

[@tomikun8057]

@@thetoadwalker3010 Well that's their style, they just prefer to write up slow build ups, I also prefer that when given the time

[@thetoadwalker3010]

@@tomikun8057 I'm not saying I dislike a slow build. I liked the show for so long because of it and the general concept. I thought that the show was slowly going to build it's world larger and then quickly raise the stakes to match it before tying the whole thing together with a satisfying ending. When the cluster arc ended with "well I guess Steven can just talk his way out of anything" I knew the show runners had a problem. Rebecca has not matured as a writer yet, she's still in the fan-fic stage. Meaning she can capture character, create good day-to-day character drama, and incorporate interesting world ideas into her story, but she has not learned how to bring a story full circle into an independent and completed work. She wasn't ready to show head and we can see that clearly in the messy final product we have today. Even given a second chance with SU: Future, she failed utterly again (edit to clarify: to finish another story properly).

[@reienna5616]

Are you serious? The Diamond Authority is the closed to real world Nazis, any cartoon has ever done. Hell, few media have actually depicted the Nazis as close as SU does. I mean, they have slavery, only strive for purity, and have killed MILLIONS!!! of their own kind to create the Cluster, a weapon of massdestruction, which doubles as a mass grave, as well as probably countless other intelligent species, because they see them as beneath them! They have armies to conquer entire worlds, manipulate the mind of their servants, a fascist salute, DO I NEED TO CONTINUE? The only reason, Steven and anyone on Earth were not immediately killed by them, is because Steven could proove that he was one of them!! Otherwise they would be all dead! Remember the Diamond light, that corrupted any Gem on Earth except the Crystal Gems? Well the Diamonds didn't know that it would do that. They thought it would kill any single one of them on the spot! The Diamonds didn't turn "good"! They cant! They are irredeemable! And I do not take Pink Diamond out of my critique! She started a war, because she was bored, and kept manipulating her friends till the very end. She is just as guilty, if not even more so. Why do so many shows trying to keep redeeming the most vile people imaginable? If genocide is on the table, then redemption is out the window! Why did Rebecca Sugar make the stakes that f-in high? Why do the literal facist get to be the first in line of deserving a redemption? Why the Third Reich, when there is a perfectly fine Kevin right there, who need I remind you DID NOT KILL MILLIONS OF PEOPLE???

[@hueyfreeman6262]

​@@tomikun8057 yeah but it resulted in a rushed ending

[@PauaP]

Nah... Steven just maxed his Speech, thats why he can convince almost everyone.

[@ethanwinters1469]

He was clearly trained by naruto in talk no jutsa

[@eloisanzara237]

It’s basically maxing* out in charisma in Fallout

[@Albertosn3]

I see he has become the mythical "Diplomancer" with words able to bend reality to his will

[@jakers141]

rose diamond male fetus forme is a bioweapon created to control people with love

[@kawaiicookiuwu3322]

Is this a persona ref-

[@sonasierra7824]

“Just hiding inside a human child, like a priest” Excuse me what

[@scottrauch1261]

www.nytimes.com/2019/09/13/us/missouri-catholic-church-sex-abuse.html

[@dinadina2000]

you know like priests are prone to do

[@sonasierra7824]

Dina Rubina yeah exactly lol I was shocked at the dark humor Came out of the blue

[@fatthanosfeet]

oh yeah, that's what we call a joke

[@DONIMATOR-pn5rp]

lol

[@rarabunfunny3611]

"hiding inside a human child, like a priest" If that isn't the funniest thing I've heard this week I don't know what is

[@Elitus_knightus]

Pickle Rick!!!!

[@elijah3370]

Funniest shit I’ve ever seen

[@clem-lv2rw]

@@Elitus_knightus In the same vein as the Gem Empire not being called the Gempire, why wasn't pickle Rick called a "Rickle"?

[@intensellylit4100]

@@clem-lv2rw that typo really diminishes your point.

[@clem-lv2rw]

@@intensellylit4100 May I ask why?

[@laughisfun2003]

If they wanted to end the show and give some actual plot fuel for the movie and future, they should've had Steven be forced to use the breaking point on White. It proves to him that not *every* problem can be solved diplomatically, frees homeworld, gives a use to the otherwise open plot thread that is the breaking point, vindicates Bismuth, and allows for a darker tone for the maturing audience of the series going forward (and gives them a better means of adding in all that weird PTSD shit they had in future).

[@BiggieTrismegistus]

I hate the message that you can solve *everything* diplomatically. Some people are just committed to being assholes. To use a historical example look at WWII. The Japanese knew the US was pissed off that they'd invaded China and also knew the US would become even more angry when Japan invaded French Indochina. They wanted what they wanted and if the US wouldn't let them have it then they'd attack the US (and obviously did). After Nazi Germany invaded the Soviet Union was Britian (and eventually the US) supposed to say "if you leave the Soviet Union we'll let you keep Poland"? No. There was no diplomatic solution that didn't involve Germany giving up everything it had taken. They weren't going to do that so a fight was inevitable. Sometimes fighting is necessary either because some people want what they want and are willing to use force to get it. Other times you're going to have to fight because someone has taken something and your moral code will not allow you to let them keep it. In neither case is fighting a weakness but a strength. Refusing to fight at all means that anyone who uses force will succeed every time and that's not a world anyone should want to live in.

[@laughisfun2003]

@@ordinaryhuman7703 it wasn’t just rushed, it was downright poorly done. Forgiving a fascist dictator is a dumb move and it makes for a dumb ending.

[@laughisfun2003]

@@ordinaryhuman7703 also I literally never said anything about it being rushed

[@piciperkuadrik4636]

@@BiggieTrismegistus I wish the show took a bigger turn and the gems waged war to Earth. Like an Earth Defense Force scenario.

[@laughisfun2003]

@mutteringjim “mutteringjim” when they realize that people age despite what they’re a fan of: 🤯🤯🤯

[@malh4re]

In my opinnion I preffered if White remained a villain

[@louminouz]

Youre not alone on that opinion.

[@tibiafibiafie]

I wish Peridot remained a villain. She would’ve been a good minor antagonist that periodically showed up to hassle the other gems

[@pozlock1997]

@@tibiafibiafie agreed. she was amazing the first time i saw her

[@fenris668]

I think she should have had maybe a couple episode where Steven started getting in her head like with peridot because it just doesn’t seem to make much sense that white changes her mind that fast😂

[@littlest_sleepyrunt169]

Villain…

[@millia_loft4166]

I know no one will see this, but the problem with white is she is a pure evil villain and steven is a flat character arc. He doesn't change, he'll try to redeem anyone. No one is beyond saving for him. But she really is. So there was no satisfying ending without changing a character. And you're right they wanted to end it so they went with the easy option of turn our pure evil villain good in under thirty minutes, thus the narrative dissonance is created.

[@fartoomanybees7346]

THIS. When we saw white diamond, I thought she was gonna be the first one Steven truly couldn't help because it's literally impossible. But then she goes 😳 and it's all good??? Could've been great character development all around...

[@sybow2925]

Which is ironic because Steven really didn’t change like at all they made everyone else change because the 14 year old boy told them to, but somehow in the movie he made a song about how much he changed... but *He didn’t*

[@tasibsharar5594]

@@sybow2925 flat character arcs are underated

[@KoylTrane]

@@sybow2925 he did become more competent if you compare him to himself from first episodes of season 1. But in terms of character traits and world views yeah, he didn't change much.

[@isaacm7934]

@@fartoomanybees7346 you know in my personal opinion I think it would have been more fitting if they killed her because she's purely evil the only way they could have saved her is if they killed her and not those stereotypical ways but in the most badass way possible have her go out in a way to show that she is truly evil and could not be saved and then have Steven is just sitting there horrified

[@joshuaklub3786]

My personal favourite character in all of Steven Universe is the first 30 seconds of White diamond.

[@edarksummie]

I was so hyped when Legs from here to Homeworld arrived too:^(

[@wizoop4468]

*t h e r e. Y o u. A r e*

[@florid1ty]

Good good..

[@mooncakemocha2779]

Oof same

[@HoezellCadarn]

@@wizoop4468 I got GLaDOS vibes in that part

[@neminem233]

Remember kids: If the ending is bad, it's not canon!

[@fantasticalfez2401]

True

[@rubub8455]

attack on titan

[@casualcrisis6349]

@@rubub8455 man, i don't even go here, but i went down an aot rabbit hole and... yeah. i'd imagine fans hated that ending.

[@rubub8455]

@@casualcrisis6349 i actually just read the ending two days ago and hot dman it was absolute dogwater

[@Lucat_the_Nerd]

The Homestuck Epilogues

[@raphsere]

I love how the Diamonds went from being these regal, genocidal tyrants that have terrorized the galaxy for millenias, to Steven's weird clingy aunts in the space of a few episodes. It's like if Darth Vader survived at the end of Return of the Jedi, and the very next scene in the epilogue is him just being an akward dad to Luke, and everyone is just like "Yeah, ok, we're cool with this".

[@anaveragegamingchannel1843]

No because that would be fucking hilarious. Imagine Vader dad jokes

[@jd1800]

@@anaveragegamingchannel1843 You don't have to imagine if you watched Rogue One.

[@redholm]

Personally I think that the theory about Pink Diamond basically having an Aura that "corrupts" Gems around her after she started rebelling explains a lot. Also being why the Perfect White Diamond became slightly Pink after Steven's did that Shock wave waking everyone up. Also why Blue and Yellow start "rebelling" and feeling after coming into contact with that Aura. You also have that line about how every gem that comes to Earth ends up rebelling against the Diamond Authority.

[@magnussnipples4121]

Vader comes in during the last jedi after luke throws his lightsaber and says "now luke, what did we talk about?"

[@Peashooter908]

I need that Vader

[@rektrakboi3127]

“Your acting like a child” Steven: no u ok we saved the galaxy

[@RedCornix]

So um... How does the Diamond that seems least involved in personal interactions... who also rules a race that doesn't have children... know what a child is or what childlike behavior looks like?

[@moonshinewolf4840]

The universe’s biggest uno reverse card

[@mehlessmidori602]

@@moonshinewolf4840 The *Steven* Universe's biggest Uno reverse card.

[@andrejrozmaring]

best comebacks requite the least brain power

[@Chaotic_Observer]

Lol

[@ISIC_Omnium]

I believe Frybo had more total antagonist screentime than White Diamond.

[@firestar3963]

i hate that your right

[@littlegayboy45_]

Frybo is the true star of the show

[@firestar3963]

@@littlegayboy45_ indeed frybo universe

[@velazquezarmouries]

ronaldo is secretly the real antagonist

[@SADS4TANAS]

You’re right and I hate you for that.

[@Toproposearewrite2970]

I've heard that the diamond's redemption arcs were supposed to be done over the course of two seasons but CN cut them short. If I were put in that situation I wouldn't have redeemed them because no redemption arc is better than a rushed one. They don't even have to be shattered, they could be bubbled, a non-lethal method of defeating them was already written into the show. Though if they were to be redeemed over two seasons I could kinda see it working. Blue and Yellow could probably learn to change but White Diamond should never have been redeemed. She should've been the one major villain in the series that doesn't fall for Steven's "let's be friends" shtick. It's actually insane to me that Jasper, Eyeball, and Aquamarine refuse to change but the facsist dictator White Diamond doesn't.

[@MarcDoesNotKnow]

Same with the movie, Spinel literally said herself that she can't be redeemed by singing a stupid song but that was exactly what happened 🙄

[@diitzies]

*bruh moment*

[@photopsthe2nd537]

Well not really she stops because she realises that steven was always helpfull when she got rejuvinated and that he helped her come back sho she questioned herself and gave in and helped them out

[@kingpenguin1580]

I mean the song was a bit of a bop

[@megfleming5706]

You do realize that the song wasn't the thing that redeemed Spinel right-

[@fightingmedialounge519]

Yes meg, do you understand concept of subtext.

[@kaisershocker]

“Whoops, butterfingers. I just dropped all of my closest friends.”

[@redholm]

It's strange how he makes it seem like Steven just dropped them out of nowhere. While what was happening is that they where barely gliding down after jumping of one of the hands right? Hanging there unstably.

[@mightypurplelicious1625]

Uh oh I think they’re broken...nobody will notice anyway..

[@Justin-sl3sb]

I checked TV tropes after hearing that, and was furious that that trope makes no reference at all to the phrase "butterfingers." Not even the alternative titles.

[@11Brain_Dead11]

I'm the 666 like. Still not as scary as 2020

[@greasymouse5618]

They’ve been building up white diamonds appearance for 5 seasons only for her to be redeemed after only having a 1 appearance

[@Taylor-ud9dx]

They showed her and redeemed her in the span of a steven bomb, oh Rebecca

[@backbayproductions9508]

Way to go Rebecca Sugar!

[@cierramist5699]

@@cais_inlove We barely saw her in "Change your mind" smh

[@backbayproductions9508]

@@cais_inlove How exactly?

[@backbayproductions9508]

@@cais_inlove Yes but you said Jasper was a bigger problem and I am asking why is Jasper a bigger problem than White.

[@bloopdeboop1707]

It's so cool how now that it's revealed that Rose was Pink Diamond, Pearl's entire angle of being a free thinking gem is a complete lie. They just completely chopped up her character ig

[@christopherbennett5858]

Now she's a former slave in love with her former master with no one questioning where diamond conditioning begins and ends.

[@logandabrute]

Pearl's whole set of flaws, to me, has always been Pink, and before we knew Pink, it was Rose. That was kind of the whole point of the problem of her character. It's something that's been slightly confronted a couple times throughout the show, and it would've been confronted during the final season of the show if Steven Universe wasn't canceled due to the gay wedding.

[@christopherbennett5858]

@@logandabrute Future tried but, well, this was when Rose/Pink was the character they concentrated all their hate towards because she was dead and incapable of responding to anything. Was she a garbage person? Yes. Did she deserve all that hate when White, Blue and Yellow, who did far worse in comparison, get away with it offscreen? No.

[@logandabrute]

@@christopherbennett5858 Yeah, it's actually weird because she was literally only hated for being a Diamond, not really for anything she did while she was a Diamond, while Yellow and Blue get forgiven just for changing sides. Changing sides to the side that Pink Diamond literally started.

[@christopherbennett5858]

@@logandabrute Yeah. Sugar literally retconned so much of Pink's authority in the gem empire that, to have her so villified for lashing out at Volleyball (wow that's a screwed up name), betraying others and leading a faux rebellion for a century from both sides, not because she was against the policies of homeworld, but because she thought the Earth's environment and inhabitants were pretty, its weird. Okay, yeah, she also made the ROse Quartzes as an alibi for her new form, abandoned Spinel and used everyone. All these are personal,, yes. However, in the grand scheme of things, you had the three diamonds who were not only doing all these horrific things before Earth was a thing, but also were personally tied to everyone aside from Steven and Amethyst? Yeah, no. The diamonds were tyrants who were everyone's abusers. Which makes their silence really unnerving.

[@T-Jex]

White Diamond: Youre a child! Stephen: No U *Roll credits*

[@devilovesdevil]

Pretty much what happened

[@thecrunchh6]

Uhum. True true

[@nonenothingnull]

>STEPHEN

[@bebopbountyhead]

This is the end result of every progressive story: everyone else is just a friend you haven't met yet. The comic book Invincible had the same bullshit message.

[@AlexeArt]

gosh I love Steven universe XD

[@chasgalaxy6721]

Hey remember when the Diamonds were portrayed as supremacy figures, beings of unmatched power that seemed to have the power to wipe out civilisations, but at the same time were shrouded in tons of mystery. Yeah can we just go back to that.

[@nicolovespanda]

Chaøs Galaxy yess that's when the show was so good

[@Monochrome2004]

yeah, when it felt hopeless to even think about going up against them? yeah, good times. i feel ya dude

[@angelabby2379]

But now they are not even that powerful and like a bunch of moms

[@chasgalaxy6721]

@@angelabby2379 basically

[@discountchocolate4577]

Honest to god I would rather have had the final conflict be some well-executed but mostly-mindless schlocky Studio Trigger slugfest between the Crystal Gems and White Diamond than the bullshit we got. The could even make White Diamond as powerful as she is - complete with the power to instantly turn any other gem into her meat-puppet - and have Steven still be powerful enough to kick her ass one-on-one, because his gem is also a diamond. Like he didn't need to shatter her but he at least should have had to use a significant amount of physical force to _subdue_ her. Even _The Last Airbender_ did the "not-killing-the-bad-guy" ending better.

[@sladerulez7695]

I think a better title to this should be: “Why people should pretend that Change your mind never happened”

[@lucyandecember2843]

I like to just imagine "change your mind" was a whole season and that it was actually good and their development makes sense..some how. And ,im as you said, ignoring the episode completly😅

[@sirsketchesw3898]

Maybe they did that for a reason we'll just have to wait for Steven Universe future, if there is no reason then I guess I should just kill myself.

[@tvpumpkinman6294]

I try to act like Steven universe never existed

[@profc3027]

What if the diamonds made a scheme in the space between the movie, and change your mind? In the beginning of the movie, it sounds like they were only doing this to get something like pink. Now that they have Spinel, there is no purpose to be nice anymore. They obviously don't like it.

[@KazuhaEien]

Prof C WHAT IF??? They were going to use Steven and now Spinel for something evil to happen?

[@NatalieExists]

I like how at 20:26 they were clearly trying to do the same thing as Garnet saying "Welcome to Earth." in Peridot's arc, but they completely messed up everything that came before it

[@yourteacher4105]

Apparently the show was planned to be 9 seasons but the last seasons got canceled so the writers really pulled a “this happened because I said so”

[@mischakonovalov9888]

4 exra seasons sounds about right for the amount of things the final few episodes did

[@clintthebean5817]

That’s part of why I feel like the writers aren’t the only ones at blame for why the end of Steven Universe felt so rushed. CN always does this with their shows, where they always shorten down super big plot lines for little to no reason.

[@latieraeve]

The struggles of Animated TV shows on kid networks. No respect unless it makes all the money

[@someguywhocanfly]

@@clintthebean5817 which is crazy because if it's a popular show surely more episodes is better for them?

[@clintthebean5817]

@@someguywhocanfly thats why CN's logic doesn't make sense.

[@envisionedabilities2857]

I would have loved to see a vilian that couldn't be changed, no matter what happened, their opinion sticked and the only way through the problem was just bubbling them, it would show that you can't save everybody, Jasper was going in that direction but it did a full 180. It would give Steven more s t r e s s and stuff, more reasons to discorag him, letting steven know it's fine to lean on somebody's shoulders. ( They did this fine with him becoming a monster and everybody helping him to show him that even he needed help and it was okay) but thaTs juSt mY oPinIoN

[@nervousbreakdown711]

Ozai. Last Airbender. Zuko ran so everyone else could walk.

[@ThePotatoSapien]

Yeah I kinda agree, I still loved the show up to Reunited(imo ASPR was the best)

[@senju31]

Yes. That's what White Diamond was built up to be or should have been. I can understand that Yellow and Blue being the other monarchs/royalty of the empire doing what they did in part of fear of the most powerful monarch which is White and that literally mirrors what happens throughout human history where other members of the monarchy, aristocracy or royalty have to get in line what the leader says. Jasper's character serves as an initial introduction to the kind of person you can't change or immediately change and if she as a foot soldier of the system is so stubborn and indignant then imagine how stubborn and indignant the creator and enforcer of such a system would be, that is, White Diamond.

[@Wakkiau]

you should try JoJo jk

[@9.b_javaspradiparamadhani382]

@@ThePotatoSapien su future was good tho imo

[@normalkettle]

"You've ruined the ruins" part killed me.

[@ollie2111]

Me too 😂😂😂 I love the show but that was hilarious to use as a joke

[@theobserver314]

Same, it is absolutely the best line from the show.

[@bojomoonlight]

it’s honestly really disappointing to see White diamond get redeemed in the first place. in my opinion the trope of “everyone can be saved” is harmful because *it’s literally not true*. A manipulative, narcissistic portrayal of a ruthless murderous and vengeful dictator not only doesn’t DESERVE redemption (even in a show where that’s the main theme) but would NEVER change their mind due to the inherent fact that she believes she is perfect. When someone truly believes they are perfect because of npd or other personality disorders they cannot change their view and most likely will not. i don’t want to imply that everyone with personality disorders or npd are manipulative and evil. However in cases where the person could be compared to white diamond, there is no getting through to them. how can a who-knows-how-old alien dictator of an empire change her whole perception and nature through a conversation with someone who is a 14 year old kid???? it totally shits on the positive and healthy message this show was going for i feel, or i guess it overshoots it. In a situation where there is an older figure of authority being abusive, it is NOT the child/victims responsibility to change them!!! i did not realize how angry this video would make me. i completely agree with you. i used to love this show but lost interest around blue diamonds reveal. it’s so sad because you can see how much they took their time in the early seasons, an by the end it feels like they were rushed to finish it and tie up all the loose ends. idk if that’s the fault of the writers or cn but it’s a real fucking shame

[@BWMagus]

I see your point but I'm not sure that's how White Diamond is. If anything, that's more Yellow Diamond, the one who actively destroys and controls. White Diamond is more like the stereotypical god-like being that Kirk has to talk down in classic Star Trek, a being so advanced it struggles to understand humans.

[@Woooookdnene]

I know this comment is a year old but the show was cut short due to the episode Reunited. The team decided that showing Ruby & Sapphire’s wedding was more important than the showing having a proper finale and I don’t blame them for that.

[@zachwallace483]

So what I'm concluding is that a group of space hitlers turned into simps for a teenage boy

[@KanameKuransnumberonefan]

I hate how beautifully accurate this is.

[@zremioz]

*yes walter*

[@d.s.3408]

Whoa

[@GreyeHazel]

Space simps

[@splaychunk1495]

Who’s related to then kinda

[@around441pipissharingaytac4]

Bad guy: roll for charisma Steven: 20 Bad Guy: fuck you got me

[@hajidle]

This is unoriginal, unfunny and not very nice

[@greenistheworst]

@@hajidle evil bog_dog be like:

[@starchaser777]

i love this comment section

[@Glisten456]

@junepo This is copied, dull, and slightly rude

[@giseliogozelio]

i laughed way too hard at this, thanks, i needed this

[@WiloPolis03]

You're forgetting the greatest Crystal Gem of them all... *Geode*

[@joesterstudios]

I’m angry that I didn’t think to do this.

[@alexkielstra3787]

I put down agreement. Geode comments are only thought of by heavy handed gentleman.

[@Elijah_Gillard]

he said pink Geode

[@GrosserHund87]

I put down agreements.

[@PauloJrchannel]

Agreement. The watching is fun and a roller coaster rider from heavy handed Gem.

[@pepperonipizza8200]

Now that I think about it, Steven spends more time redeeming his uncle than a literal emperor.

[@cokeandcheese.6617]

_it's so disappointing because white diamond seemed so overpowered and intimidating, until all it took to end that conflict was to talk her out of it._

[@exxiyya4855]

True

[@apex5826]

yeah cause it could've been a awesome fight but they missed the chance to make it rlly good and they made it so they just gotta talk

[@pissapocalypse]

And it took like two seconds

[@Snow-xd4rv]

Probs because she was so powerful, they literally couldn’t even beat her, even if they tried. So they made up so bullshit story.

[@payton_bagel8317]

I know!!! And they even teased us with Obsidian, which made it feel even more empty.

[@the0lrazzledazzle]

Steven universe feels like my 8th grade essay that I put hard work into mid way- then I stopped at the end and realized how many words I actually have left so I just wrapped it all up and rushed it together to get it in on time.

[@meshica6793]

the ol’ razzle dazzle lmao

[@nathanbeals4583]

That’s exactly how it went. CN canceled the show and the writers fought their hardest to keep it going but they were told to wrap it up.

[@justincoltharp9701]

It only got cancelled because the writers were intentionally pushing political agenda, which is something cartoon network has always stayed away from. Politics bad, cartoon good

[@ThePotatoSapien]

@@justincoltharp9701 ...no? It was because of the wedding, which was between a gay couple. That’s not a political situation, and it shouldn’t be made into one, it’s just coward ness and homophobia on CN’s part

[@ezraong713]

@@ThePotatoSapien thats pretty assumptious, where did you hear that?

[@GammaRaediation]

Honestly when White Diamond was first revealed, I LOVED her because she was such a good concept for a villain and i REALLY wanted her to stay that way. Whether Yellow Diamond or Blue Diamond changed to good or not, didn't matter, as long as White Diamond remained the villain I would have been on board. but no... they just all have to do a 180 don't they....

[@rosykindbunny1313]

White is literally one of the creepiest villains I've ever seen. And I love it. The way she was calmly saying slightly creepy things made her so unnerving (the t posing didn't help lol). I wish she stayed that way.

[@duckhugger7692]

Honestly, I hate Stevens whole idea of life is "as long as you're nice" and it's dumb

[@miguelangelquintanillaapar5361]

I think yellow diamond being the 2nd end game villain than a from darth vader type character one episode than the next episode a cry baby

[@duckhugger7692]

@@miguelangelquintanillaapar5361 honestly, it's understandable that she has feelings but her whole 'badass, no one can beat me' and Blues 'im so sad were polar opposites which had an interesting dynamic, but then 3 of these badass Nazi gems, are all of the sudden forgiven because they have feeling

[@GammaRaediation]

@@rosykindbunny1313 that's exactly what i loved about her. the eerie calmness of it all. the calm and quiet before the storm. knowing they're relaxed because they can erase your existence in a split second. it showed power and stability. something you rarely see in any of the characters in Steven Universe. Yeah, she's a villain, but i still loved it.

[@remen8021]

steven universe is such a good show, it's such a shame that its finale was indefinitely delayed

[@chebic5095]

When the movie villain who immediately gets introduced and has an hour to be a compelling character has a more logical arc than the ultimate antagonist of the whole serious you know somethings wrong.

[@senju31]

That's the thing. Spinnel had an hour, White didn't. It would have been better to not introduce White in season 5 and leave her for the movie and or the movie and season 6.

[@whatscookingoodlookin1]

@Amazing Spiderman Fan 2002 Gravity Falls didn’t really have much filler and it’s a genuinely good show. Steven Universe though? You could fill an entire season with how much filler they had. And don’t even get me started on the hiatuses.

[@Olivviaooo]

@Amazing Spiderman Fan 2002 That's the best part. Gravity falls has 2? 3 seasons? The finale was great. Steven Universe had like 7 in total (when you count suf as a season) and Is pretty problematic

[@icebearpl188]

@@Olivviaooo because of the fact i didnt want to waste time on fillers when watching it , i just decided to go look at the very short descriptions of each episode and only watch those that had some plot points. like , i aint gonna watch goddamn french fry man manscot being spoopy

[@mentkansley6694]

@@icebearpl188 the frybo episode isn't a great example of filler. It introduced the idea of gem shards. This show does have a fuck ton of other filler though

[@devilishlycrowned]

I hate how the diamonds who shattered so many gems can be forgiven by the fandom. But everyone hates pink and can't forgive her just because of the movie. Why is every villain redeemable except pink diamond? It's hypocritical.

[@straykitkat]

Very true. They're all equally garbage

[@flask223]

all diamonds are bad

[@Mehhhhhhhh]

Steven can forgive dictators who've murdered and enslaved millions if not billions of people but cannot forgive Kevin for being a fuckboi.

[@t.sstiller7869]

Luckily I hate all the Diamonds, but at least Pink had finally understood that she was a horrible person.

[@seth7442]

I never wanted the diamonds to be redeemed. I wanted them to get beaten, then be given that sweet how could I loose to you moment(Especially White), and then shattered. The only Diamond with even the chance to be redeemed(Which would have to be done right) is Blue. I mean at least Blue changing her ways because she loves pink so much, therefore taking the time to listen to Steven makes sense.

[@GrifMoNeY]

Aborted narrative arcs started as early as season 3. They spent half a season building up the Cluster, resolved it in half an episode, then never spoke of it again.

[@fluffskunk]

The forced fusion of thousands of shattered gems screaming in mindless agony into a planet destroying weapon was resolved with a nice little sit-down, and then completely ignored so the diamonds could be redeemed.

[@kermm8056]

Totally true but they actually did bring the cluster up a few more times like when it randomly helps fight the diamonds because how else are they going to stand a chance. Its fucking sad. So much potential.

[@genji8819]

Yeah. I pretty much expected this - but hoped I was wrong, kind of ending after the Cluster. My expectations felt confirmed when Steven spent a week+ on earth moping about Connie when LARS was TRAPPED on HOMEWORLD as a PINK ZOMBIE. Honestly, I've remained so pissed about those episodes downplaying the Lars situation that the season final passed over the bar of my expectations. That, and my continuous disappointment of almost every series finale I've witnessed. Pretty easy bar to hop over with so much weighing it down.

[@logicaloverdrive8197]

@@kermm8056 and they never fucking call the diamonds on that shit. Because now that i remember that episode where garnet nearly unfused from shock and fear over how those shattered gems were forced to fused, it makes this ending and movie beginning worse. *Because they are never called out on how incredibly fucked that really is.*

[@TheDuckyDino]

wELL aCTuAlLY iT aPPearS agAIn iN oNE ePIsoDe

[@kat8559]

There's definitely underlying issues w the show but I largely blame the network for not giving full creative control and forcing them to end the show early.

[@dogshake]

Who cares, it’s a cartoon. It’s made for literal children. They’re not writing with you in mind. Also, as an adult let me just say, life is a lot better when you dont care about what happens in cartoons.

[@cahan557]

@@dogshakeyou’re so cool and smart

[@alt-q1y]

@@dogshake I mean, Adventure Time was a children's show, doesn't mean it doesn't have a mature following. I don't think "oh it's just written for children" is a good excuse, like they should half ass it because it's for children? Why don't children deserve a solid show?

[@BetaDude40]

@@dogshake You sound like the kind of guy who likes Brickleberry

[@noxauracille]

"Steven Universe" or "Space Hitler Does An Oops But Says Sorry So It's Okay"

[@lProN00bl]

NO YOU CAN'T COMPARE HITLER TO A CARTOON THAT'S NOT FAIR ...even though said cartoon features an conquering empire that kills millions in said conquest based on believed superiority, in a class based society where said superiority is emphasized and those that don't fit into it are left in slums or killed, lead by a cult of personality ruler who silences any dissent or criticism...complete with goofy ass salute

[@xavier4563]

@@lProN00bl Steven universe and the fascist gems: they said sorry so it's ok, the movie

[@eebrohim7001]

Hitler: Invades Poland Churchill: That's bad Hitler: I'm good now and will continue my passion of painting

[@basicallystevenuniverse511]

White: I’m perfect! I’m flawless! Steven: emotion White: oh nvm, ur right

[@tapinaki]

This is steven universe in a nutshell *villian: I’m bad* *Steven: lol no* Villian lmaooo okay sorry* And then the movie Spinel: I’m bad rawr >:( Steven: *songs song* Spinel: sorry for killing your friends :/ AND THE LAST EPISODE OF THE WHOLE SERIES/ SHOW Steven: ahh!! I’m evil!! Stay back growl >;( Everyone: *gives him a hug* Steven: time to move💫✨⚡️ The fandom: ITS SO REALISTIC OF REPRESENTATION OF DEPRESSION AND ANXIETY- NO, SAMANTHA GIVING A HUG DOESNT CURE DEPRESSION

[@andrewqu7908]

magical hugs

[@KizilXD]

*s o n g s s o n g*

[@illuminaticake4528]

"Sorry for killing your friends :/" And then everyone held hands and danced into the sunset as rainbows appeared in the sky.

[@illuminaticake4528]

In all seriousness when did this happen? Who died when where?

[@bmx9757]

I like how everybody ignores the fact that he got a therapist and mental help, along with support from his friends and family.

[@usedtissuepaper42]

how fitting that the episode which completely changed your feelings on the show is called “Change Your Mind”

[@octolaguna]

remember when gems knew nothing about human culture or terminology at all, when Aquamarine and Topaz went around Beach City looking for "my dad" and when none of the homeworld gems understood what "mom" meant? now white diamond is blushing cus she was called a child. gemkind dont even have children

[@Froned]

1st theory: Maybe gems get born in a young state, which they call child. More as a classification of age. 2nd theory: While the lower /mid tier ranked gems might have been forbidden of comunicating with "lower species", white maybe made that rule after observing another species, including their reproduction. I didn't saw the show, but that would be my ideas

[@elechain2441]

Froned this is true

[@nicolehamilton2747]

He’s not talking about it scientifically thou. It’s like how some folks thought that Jasper was a fusion back in the day. It’s more of a hypothesis

[@elechain2441]

Kuhntee Nyctiproc oog

[@chuchulovely3276]

Whatever happened to aquamarine anyway? Rebecca: lol who?

[@egg2799]

"We meet such great characters such as Amethyst, Lapis, and _egg_ "

[@chyandinii]

are they your soulmate

[@notlikeothertrinas]

Egg is my favorite character I kin egg

[@watashinihayumegaarimasu7609]

I can't believe he forgot Onion, how *dare* he forget our Lord and savior!?

[@annulizbeth]

Egg ... is here

[@owl6986]

Dude the best character is grain of sand

[@crimsonharlequinn7920]

I agree that the white diamond "arc" was the worst part of the entire show. And that everything in Change your Mind felt rushed. But I will say after watching the movie I dont believe they are redeemed at all. The diamonds are using their love of pink and their grief of losing her as an excuse to do whatever steven wants. They havent changed at all. They simply dont want steven to be upset with them as he is the last reminder of Pink who they lost. They still have the same views but they force themselves to be different because of Steven. I mean hell it's right there in the opening scene. "How long do we have to keep this up?" They ARE NOT redeemed.

[@ChestersonJack]

CrimsonHarlequinn That’s why I assume. Like I don’t understand why everyone thinks they’re redeemed, they’re just playing nice

[@ChestersonJack]

Selim Sultan Akbar What are you saying “what” to? (Like which part are you confused about.) I’d love to explain if you’re curious about another point of view

[@ChestersonJack]

Selim Sultan Akbar Oh, okay then. Not sure why you said what if you didn’t want an answer, but at the same time I kind of expected that kind of response. That’s why I asked if you wanted an explanation instead of just wasting time typing one out if you didn’t want it.

[@ChestersonJack]

Selim Sultan Akbar Thanks! Sometimes I miss the point of things I think having something to do with my autism, but it’s nice when I try to pick up on patterns in social cues and it pays off.

[@sunorcio3901]

@Selim Sultan Akbar wtf did this thread just turn nice or am i misunderstanding ironic passive-aggressive comments?

[@snoopystar80]

I thought it would be cool that in a show about redeeming and accepting people, White Diamond would be someone that is completely impossible to change,+ it would also be interesting to explore the change this has on everyone

[@BiggieTrismegistus]

The message that everyone can change if you're nice enough is such a bad one. Some people are just assholes and will always be perfectly happy being that way.

[@mckenzie.latham91]

This show died after the “Bismuth” episode, where they basically equated fighting space nazis makes you as bad as the space nazis...

[@clairelili873]

the worse about this it isnt the fighting, but "you cant kill them because yes haha". as if bubling them up isnt almost the same, not mentioning its a fucking war, you are not going to be carefull with your oponent.

[@zaqareemalcolm]

Ironically not going through with the breaking point was still the better choice in the end, but not out of moral scruples but because we later saw exactly, what monstrosity the Diamonds were capable of in a grief-fueled rage believing one of theirs was shattered

[@Monochrome2004]

not trying to defend the show or anything, but i guess if you think about it from rose quartz's/pink diamond's pov, she probably didnt want to harm her fellow diamonds? idrk, it doesn't make sense, that's the only thing i can think of. but whatever, steven had no excuse to follow that way of thinking

[@mckenzie.latham91]

@@Monochrome2004 Yeah but that’s the problem, the leader of the rebellion is actually one of the oppressive upper class, whose basically just engineered a civil war so she can have fun with her human playthings and earth because it’s nice there and she doesn't have to deal with her oppressive family which sucks because rose quartz originally was slated to have defended earth because she felt that life deserves a chance and there is so much about earth that is promising (based on a video she leaves for Steven in season 2 or 3) the writers threw out that concept to pul the “pink is rose” twist even though that makes rose/pink look even worse... Cause even after the diamonds literally decimated the entire “rebel gem” population on earth, she refused to stand up to them and or “shatter them”

[@mckenzie.latham91]

@@zaqareemalcolm In my opinion they could have made a good point about how many of the home world gems are brainwashed and or not the ones at fault you could even point out like you do, that Bismuth's idea would only make the diamonds and home world gems escalate and or upgrade their weapons and attacks/responses to earth as a result As well as the idea that shattering should be only a last resort and or self defense option, not an offensive weapon/solution to make sure we realize the yeah, this is serious and not an easy solution instead of the “we can’t kill cause killing is wrong period” bull.

[@voidi4725]

Imagine in the final confrontation white diamond actually killed blue and yellow, and steven tried to "change her mind" by showing her the pain and irreversible damage she had caused, but consequences are overrated amiright?!

[@thehoodedman4271]

And then White killed Steven and everythong would be resolved!

[@voidi4725]

@@thehoodedman4271 white literally did kill Steven tho, her intent was fully there to leave him dead and "freeing" pink diamond from his human body.

[@thehoodedman4271]

@@voidi4725 Wait, what?! I was kidding! Holy crap, that is morbid!

[@NameName-yj7lp]

@@voidi4725 Oh but that lead to no consensus shhhh they don’t remember

[@dumbledoratheexplorer1252]

@@voidi4725 if she would've killed him all she should've done after taking his gen out would he a single squish. Rebecca confirmed that Pink Steven wouldn't be able to exist. Tho it's a children's show so no killing maon characters

[@tomato_fr0g]

This is the first Steven Universe critique that doesn’t mention the fandom, which makes have more respect for this video. Edit: *insert comment about how many likes I’ve gotten*

[@wesley4313]

How so?

[@onyxstyx9552]

I don't see why. The fandom is dog shit and should be addressed

[@googoongga]

The fandom is pretty shit.

[@rainbowfury1019]

Honestly a good show from S1 to S4, went downhill in S5 for me. For me it was mostly good. As for the fandom, I keep my distance from them.

[@onyxstyx9552]

@@rainbowfury1019 IMO, I loved it. I still love it. But Steven Universe Future was bad. It was just way more rushed than it needed to be. And the way they solved Corruption, the thing they've thought was horrible since season 1 was beat by a hug

[@vikkipink1288]

The finale was such a major letdown. This has been the first critique I’ve seen that I actually agree with. The other popular video was like oh this show is bad the diamonds are nazis and deserve to die and shouldn’t be allowed to have character arcs for any reason.

[@stephaniecourteoreille5972]

True man, I tried watching it and felt like it was mean-spirited and was created to hate on it, and nothing else- I honestly feel like it barely added anything other than (mainly) "Steven universe, *_BAD_* " 💀

[@adaon2282]

They are space nazi’s tho and probably shouldn’t be humanized & excused for their actions? I don’t recall the video mentioning they shouldn’t have a character arc just that they shouldn’t have their actions excused by steven because “fAmiLy!” The other video is 2+ hours and contained a ton of content related to problems in Steven universe. I suggest you ACTUALLY watch it.

[@adaon2282]

@@stephaniecourteoreille5972 you probably watched like 2 minutes of the video

[@TuckyBlue]

I remember when pink being rose was a crack theory.

[@retardosexual]

9/10

[@Azuressunset]

9/11

[@purebloodedgriffin]

I had assumed that was what you were supposed to think all along, it seems so obvious

[@dayswillburn777]

@@purebloodedgriffin thank you, IDK if you trolling but I felt the same lol

[@jakesimpson3373]

As someone who watched the show in and out I thought that was what we were supposed to think

[@carford100]

i like how everyone, including the show, forgot about the fact that these characters shattered millions and forced fused how many gems? are we even going to address the force fused gems, are they just all bubbled? Are the diamonds even going to like, idk be held accountable for the mental torture the gems are still going through? like it seems like after the cluster act happened everyone just, forgot it happened.

[@gaarasfangirlshadow]

carford100 exactly!!!!! Steven bonded with the cluster- Hes supposed to be super empathic and sweet but just up and befriends the ones who created and forced the cluster to exist. ~ but dont worry the cluster gave us a thumbs up so everything fine!~ hated that they werent addressed again.

[@kaylaklimas6058]

lol reading this comment made me think "oh shit the cluster"

[@FullMetalSnorlax]

I kinda wish the cluster was less dark than it is, because NOTHING can make up for that. Any redemption arc after that would be an insult, so I honestly think, "we convinced them to stop doing more bad things" Is the best way to handle it. I suppose in another story, the diamonds combined could have been all powerful and snap their fingers at the same time to separate and resurrect all of the shattered gems, but I'd prefer a story without that kind of deus-ex machina. In short White diamond isn't forgiven, and she isn't seeking forgiveness, so that's that. "I used to do bad things, I stopped, pray I don't start again".

[@springlady8337]

The diamonds were like a supreme evil who were all forgiven in one episode but Rose who saved the entire earth, humanity, and any gem who ever wanted to think for themselves is hated for a couple selfish mistakes. Okay.

[@lordvecna8837]

War crimes, shmore brines. Just give them the good ol care bear stare.

[@YuubiTimberwolf]

Tldr; "Change your Mind" should have been a whole Arc, not a single episode.

[@imaninamakhtar896]

PREACH

[@Pennervomland]

This video should‘ve been 5 minutes long :|

[@deathsdoor07]

Thank you. I wish he got to the point sooner.

[@AetherBreaker1]

it's with how things were layed out with the show, it likely was, but was rushed and condensed into one episode because the show had to end, likely because the cartoon network only signed on for 5 seasons.

[@powpowouchy5]

white should have been the one character steven couldn't change. Steven should have learned that there are some problems that words alone can't solve.

[@spectralspectra2282]

Also when Steven fused with the gems to force them out, hasn't it been established that gems need time to reform their physical bodies? In that one episode where amethyst gets popped time and time again but immediately gets back she becomes greatly deformed. Pearl first time she gets popped in the show takes 2 weeks to come back (if I'm not mistaken)

[@sablouie7955]

The whole Steven Universe series summarized: *We were bad, but now were good*

[@laura-ni8ym]

We're moving into your neighborhood B)

[@DivineDEC]

No

[@Bull-tm6hl]

"Guys look Hitler's crying"

[@ryderr4702]

We were good but now we’re bad*

[@somethingcool9606]

We are trying our best to be

[@therwbyfamilton8023]

Mom: “YOUR ACTING LIKE A CHILD!” Me: Reverse card

[@google1030]

*You’re

[@prowler1902]

Lol

[@fernandotrevinocastro1018]

No u

[@pandagamer-hg5be]

Uno backwards

[@TheNomad94]

*you're

[@MHurley21]

The movie makes the Diamonds seem even more despicable to me. You can tell by the way they plead with Steven that none of them actually learned why what they were doing was wrong in any way. Peridot had a genuine paradigm shift, her morality actually evolved. The Diamonds just want Steven to like them so they're doing whatever he says out of guilt for neglecting Pink.

[@Shockguey]

So they were just doing what was in their natural biology of doing what the Pink one wanted. Race realism wins again.

[@billlupin8345]

If we are able to see that, why is everyone complaining about the diamonds being redeemed? They’re clearly not. They’re telling Steven what he wants to hear.

[@plantherum2365]

@@billlupin8345 Becuase before this they were space hitlers and they gave in too easily for people who are ok with game ending a shit ton of other races

[@billlupin8345]

Pretended to give in easily to win over their long-lost sibling. They're immortal. They can play the waiting game.

[@thethiccestboi7648]

@@billlupin8345 they dont need to be fully accepted into the main cast as friends for them to be redeemed The simple fact that 1:they havent been punished AT ALL and 2:they still control the gem empire means they've basically got away with everything theyve done. Its redeemed in a sense due to how they are no longer "evil", ie:not doing bad things, and able to interact with the main cast with zero issues other than awkwardness. Its not a full redemption, but for LITERALLY SPACE HITLER, its way too damn close